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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:31 am

This is the shared heavy maintenance facility with Aeromexico. Both M90's are taped up on the side of the tramp. Have not heard what they're going to do with them.

FLALEFTY wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
At this moment, with 1 MD-88 and 3 MD-90s still waiting to be moved into the Historic column in the planespotters.net database, DL's avg fleet age is 14.6 years. There's still a lot of old aircraft (A320s at 24.8 years, the oldest of subfleets now), and with 844 remaining active aircraft it takes a LOT of new aircraft to bring down the fleet avg.

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Delta-Air-Lines


Two of the MD90's have been at QRO since the first of the year and were supposed be going through heavy maintenance. I imagine Delta told the contractor to stop work and it could be that they are currently not airworthy. There is also a MD90 stuck at MSP, condition unknown.

I wonder if the MD88 still at ATL won't be preserved for Delta's museum and not be sent to be broken up at BYH?

Given the advanced age of the A320 fleet and the fact that all 62 have been grounded since late-March, I'm wondering if Delta doesn't decide that to be their next subfleet to retire?
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:04 pm

n7371f wrote:
This is the shared heavy maintenance facility with Aeromexico. Both M90's are taped up on the side of the tramp. Have not heard what they're going to do with them.

FLALEFTY wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
At this moment, with 1 MD-88 and 3 MD-90s still waiting to be moved into the Historic column in the planespotters.net database, DL's avg fleet age is 14.6 years. There's still a lot of old aircraft (A320s at 24.8 years, the oldest of subfleets now), and with 844 remaining active aircraft it takes a LOT of new aircraft to bring down the fleet avg.

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Delta-Air-Lines


Two of the MD90's have been at QRO since the first of the year and were supposed be going through heavy maintenance. I imagine Delta told the contractor to stop work and it could be that they are currently not airworthy. There is also a MD90 stuck at MSP, condition unknown.

I wonder if the MD88 still at ATL won't be preserved for Delta's museum and not be sent to be broken up at BYH?

Given the advanced age of the A320 fleet and the fact that all 62 have been grounded since late-March, I'm wondering if Delta doesn't decide that to be their next subfleet to retire?

I think the two MD90's in QRO are in flyable shape, or just need engines installed to fly. They had timed out for HMV and were flown down there to do the HMV, but were put on hold before the work began. The engines may have had green time and were pulled to support the fleet. They are likely worth more to the scrapper in BYH than a local outfit in QRO. Engines will be pulled from BYH and shipped down so they can be ferried to BYH.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:31 pm

How come none of the MDs went to MZJ or VCV?
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:13 pm

There are a couple M90's that ended up in MZJ. At least one has already been scrapped.

9210 - MZJ
9258 - MZJ

Meanwhile...

9209 - QRO
9263 - QRO


UA444 wrote:
How come none of the MDs went to MZJ or VCV?
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:54 pm

n7371f wrote:
There are a couple M90's that ended up in MZJ. At least one has already been scrapped.

9210 - MZJ
9258 - MZJ

Meanwhile...

9209 - QRO
9263 - QRO


UA444 wrote:
How come none of the MDs went to MZJ or VCV?


I thought 9210 is still at MSP?
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:56 pm

UA444 wrote:
How come none of the MDs went to MZJ or VCV?

All depends on how the contracts for asset/aircraft part-out, disposal, and scrapping was awarded to the vendors that bid on the scope of work.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:58 pm

New video posted by Delta that includes footage from 6/2/20 including the final flight arrival in ATL, the photo-op on the ramp after the final flights, the final fly-out to BYH, and a few brief shots at BYH.

There may be some posters/users in the video....

https://news.delta.com/mad-dogs-make-th ... al-flights
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:01 pm

Wasn’t able to upload it here, but here is my favorite pic of the MD-88:

https://flightaware.com/photos/view/708 ... tes/page/1
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:33 am

9210 ferried MSP-MZJ 3/16/20.

LHA320 wrote:
n7371f wrote:
There are a couple M90's that ended up in MZJ. At least one has already been scrapped.

9210 - MZJ
9258 - MZJ

Meanwhile...

9209 - QRO
9263 - QRO


UA444 wrote:
How come none of the MDs went to MZJ or VCV?


I thought 9210 is still at MSP?
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:21 am

Dalmd88 wrote:
The lights at the top of the sidewalls and the 'windows' you are referencing have always been there.


This can't be true, just looking at the photo earlier in the thread that I posted that shows the aft galley. Have a look adjacent to the windows -- it's just a solid panel there. They are present in the 2006 photos though.

I am surprised I never noticed that they changed the PSUs to be white. But looking back, I only had 2 MD-88 flights before 2011.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:09 am

Are any of the MD-90s heading to museums?
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:57 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
Are any of the MD-90s heading to museums?

Other than the Delta museum and maybe the Boeing FoF museum I doubt any would want them.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:13 am

There is nothing "museum worthy" of a MD-90.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:26 pm

Anyone want to speculate whether DL will regret retiring an entire fleet if the economy comes roaring back faster than predicted by “the experts?”
Is just me, or is flying not as much fun anymore?
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:51 pm

exFWAOONW wrote:
Anyone want to speculate whether DL will regret retiring an entire fleet if the economy comes roaring back faster than predicted by “the experts?”


They really did nothing but pull ahead the retirements of ~30 MD-90s by two years. The MD-88s had long been tagged to be gone by end 2020, anyway, and the MD-90s by end 2022.

I don't think DL is going to miss 30 mid-range, medium-size narrowbodies. The better question is if/how they'll be able to fund the A220/A321neo deliveries, and what/how long has been deferred.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:09 pm

ryanov wrote:
Dalmd88 wrote:
The lights at the top of the sidewalls and the 'windows' you are referencing have always been there.


This can't be true, just looking at the photo earlier in the thread that I posted that shows the aft galley. Have a look adjacent to the windows -- it's just a solid panel there. They are present in the 2006 photos though.

I am surprised I never noticed that they changed the PSUs to be white. But looking back, I only had 2 MD-88 flights before 2011.

You are correct. I didn't recall the sidewall lights not being there way back when. When I worked MD88/90 HMV back in the 90's and early 2000's I avoided the cabin work whenever possible.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:47 pm

The MD88 was really only going to be around to run through peak summer schedule 2020, with the draw down like we just saw happening in the fall, running around remaining green time on the last few and parking at the end of the year.

They would have been needed right now without the massive black swan event we’ve gone through, they really weren’t going to be needed come September.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:50 pm

Parking the MD90s, if demand comes back strong in the next two years could in theory extend the life and/or mean that some of the older A320 and 757 return to service instead of permenantly retire.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:41 pm

KFTG wrote:
There is nothing "museum worthy" of a MD-90.

Are you serious? Delta was the last operator in the world to fly those jets.
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:17 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
exFWAOONW wrote:
Anyone want to speculate whether DL will regret retiring an entire fleet if the economy comes roaring back faster than predicted by “the experts?”


They really did nothing but pull ahead the retirements of ~30 MD-90s by two years. The MD-88s had long been tagged to be gone by end 2020, anyway, and the MD-90s by end 2022.

I don't think DL is going to miss 30 mid-range, medium-size narrowbodies. The better question is if/how they'll be able to fund the A220/A321neo deliveries, and what/how long has been deferred.

I agree. Due to unemployment, there is no chance of a need within 18 months. Delta is a numbers run airline. They will clearly see trends early.

A320(NEO and CEO) and 738 resale values have dropped 15%, see the lease values thread:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1440991&start=50

If DL needs more aircraft, they'll buy newer, more efficient, cheap.

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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:47 pm

Delta350 wrote:
KFTG wrote:
There is nothing "museum worthy" of a MD-90.

Are you serious? Delta was the last operator in the world to fly those jets.


End of the day, the MD-90 was a niche airplane that didn't make a tremendous mark on aviation history, or even history with a single airline. For a long time, Delta only flew 16 MD-90s; only in the last decade did they build up.

The -88 on the other hand was the workhorse for Delta's growth, especially in ATL and CVG.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:44 pm

Delta350 wrote:
KFTG wrote:
There is nothing "museum worthy" of a MD-90.

Are you serious? Delta was the last operator in the world to fly those jets.

Which 99% of the public could not care less about. Most will go MD-what?

There has to be some draw for a museum to dedicate ~150x110x30’+ of space to an exhibit, and the MD-90 does not have it.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:49 pm

Delta350 wrote:
KFTG wrote:
There is nothing "museum worthy" of a MD-90.

Are you serious? Delta was the last operator in the world to fly those jets.

100% serious.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:15 pm

MD going helped streamline things. One less fleet to crew, have parts for, schedule, etc. By the time they need those 30 extra jets, they’ll have pulled all 717, 737, 320s from storage.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:25 pm

Yeah, I think if they're going to save something, it should probably be N905DL or N900DE. Their first MD-88 would have N909DL. Does anyone know what happened to it? Could they have put that in a museum ultimately, or was the damage too bad? I would think it could be repairable for just a display.

The 90 never really caught on, it has a relatively current generation of engine... I guess it was the largest DC-9 derivative. But the 88 was at Delta 32 years, single owner. I would think that's even more significant than the DC-9 they saved. Would have been neat if they could have saved one that was in service with Delta twice instead.

I would always choose a 90 over anything else but the 88, but... other than that. I wonder are any 90s preserved at all?

Turns out my last flight on a 90 was about a year ago, on N925DN. So I couldn't take the last flight on both the 88 and the 90, obviously, but neat to have flown on the last one as a last trip.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:46 pm

KFTG wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
KFTG wrote:
There is nothing "museum worthy" of a MD-90.

Are you serious? Delta was the last operator in the world to fly those jets.

100% serious.


An MD-90 on display might appeal to a first-rate museum that hopes to have a complete Douglas collection up through the 'modern' narrowbodies DC-9, MD-80, MD-90, 717. Third-rate museums will take what they can get.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:48 pm

I assume that delta doesn't have much confidence in a second life for its retired md80s if they're sending them to BYH and not to some better-suited airport like MZJ or SBD where aircraft are better preserved? I know smaller airlines like LASER, TABAN, Aeronaves, USA Jet etc may be in the market for a cheap pickup to add to their fleet, especially in this inflated COVID cargo market.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:57 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
KFTG wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
Are you serious? Delta was the last operator in the world to fly those jets.

100% serious.


An MD-90 on display might appeal to a first-rate museum that hopes to have a complete Douglas collection up through the 'modern' narrowbodies DC-9, MD-80, MD-90, 717.

Name one.


You guys are over estimating the appeal of most commercial aircraft for museums.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:43 am

The fate of the MD fleet will be the same as that of AA’s retired hundreds. Scrap, by and large.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:47 am

MDGLongBeach wrote:
I assume that delta doesn't have much confidence in a second life for its retired md80s if they're sending them to BYH and not to some better-suited airport like MZJ or SBD where aircraft are better preserved?


Why would Delta care about that? The supplier/scrapper in BYH is evidently who made the higher bid to buy them from Delta, so they get the planes. It's their job to market them for a "second life" if they think that's viable.
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:41 pm

Richard made a good decision to buy up most of the MD90s around the world, was a cheap and faster way to grow the airline through the 2010s, until 739 and 321s came on-property. If anything, when things bounce back, 739/321 up-gauges should cover for the frequencies lost in the short term.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:39 pm

ryanov wrote:
I was on DL88 this morning. I have to say I was disappointed in some of the behavior of aviation enthusiasts on this flight. A number of younger basically exclusively males wearing no face covering, or wearing it but around their neck talking loudly. This is a confined space during a pandemic when studies have shown very clearly that talking and singing are among the best ways to send the virus into the air. Do better, if you’re reading this, especially if you are now on or will soon board another flight.

I was on the inbound last night and nearly every person was very cautious/respectful and so I didn’t say anything here, even though I thought to. Mistake I guess.

So long to an old friend. My first flight on an MD-88 was in 2004 on ship 9006, but I’ve been flying on the MD-80 series at least since 1997 on Continental, also a few trips on AA.

Will really miss the sound of those jets, and that blaring 400 Hz hum that I’ve come to know so well.

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Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaiDJfDO9Fo?
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:42 pm

N312RC wrote:
ryanov wrote:
I was on DL88 this morning. I have to say I was disappointed in some of the behavior of aviation enthusiasts on this flight. A number of younger basically exclusively males wearing no face covering, or wearing it but around their neck talking loudly. This is a confined space during a pandemic when studies have shown very clearly that talking and singing are among the best ways to send the virus into the air. Do better, if you’re reading this, especially if you are now on or will soon board another flight.


+1 on this, I was there as well and it was disheartening to see these kids acting the way they were. Some of us were just shaking our heads at the overall behavior. No social distancing, no real mask usage. On top of that, although they were on paid tickets, most insisted on wearing their airline ID's (rule 1 is don't wear your airline ID when you travel). Hint: you don't look cool, you just look ridiculous. Most individuals also tagged the inside of the airplane not with clever, reverent, or even downright "nice" words about the Mad Dog, but instead chose to promote themselves by writing web addresses, twitter handles, and the like all over the airplane. There's a fine line between hobby and fetish, and I think some came dangerously close to that line yesterday.


11:59 timestamp here for Twitter handles on windows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaiDJfDO9Fo. :roll:
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:09 am

If you are are really bored and want my take on the final MDay of ops, just:

Check out my trip report.

I can gaurentee no bins or sidewalls were harmed in the making of my content loljk

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