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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:05 am

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FLALEFTY wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
At this moment, with 1 MD-88 and 3 MD-90s still waiting to be moved into the Historic column in the planespotters.net database, DL's avg fleet age is 14.6 years. There's still a lot of old aircraft (A320s at 24.8 years, the oldest of subfleets now), and with 844 remaining active aircraft it takes a LOT of new aircraft to bring down the fleet avg.

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Delta-Air-Lines


Two of the MD90's have been at QRO since the first of the year and were supposed be going through heavy maintenance. I imagine Delta told the contractor to stop work and it could be that they are currently not airworthy. There is also a MD90 stuck at MSP, condition unknown.

I wonder if the MD88 still at ATL won't be preserved for Delta's museum and not be sent to be broken up at BYH?

Given the advanced age of the A320 fleet and the fact that all 62 have been grounded since late-March, I'm wondering if Delta doesn't decide that to be their next subfleet to retire?

The A320 subfleet likely won’t be retired en masse like the MD88/90 fleet since there isn’t large structural / fixed cost reductions due to commonality with the A319 and A320. It would likely be more targeted toward frames at or near HMVs. Ones that have green time will likely come back at some point. Some may not though.

The large A321CEO and future 100+ A321NEO fleet innoculates the A320 and A319 from batch retirement. I agree, they will be some retired due to needing expensive maintenance at the wrong time. It will seem arbitrary, but based on short term cash flow some good frames might become so parted that they are scrapped earlier than less optimal frames. The soon to be 30 year old A320s had better not need expensive checks or they are doomed.

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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:30 am

It's a little off-topic, but NW took delivery of the A320s in two distinct batches:

1. 34 aircraft now 27-30 years old

2. 28 aircraft now 17-22 years old

I'm ignoring the A320s that didn't make their way to Delta.

IMHO, the early retirement of the MD-90s leavea a bit of a gap in the midsize narrowbody segment, now really populated just by the seventy-seven 738s and sixty-two A320s. (I don't think the 130-seat A220-300 fits that segment.) But, given that DL (and everybody!) has lots of surplus capacity this isn't an urgent problem.

With pilot and part commonality 319/321 there's no reason to rush the A320s out of the fleet. The oldest may get retired or fly to a heavy check but the younger batch may become the new low-utilization buffer subfleet.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:49 am

FLALEFTY wrote:
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At this moment, with 1 MD-88 and 3 MD-90s still waiting to be moved into the Historic column in the planespotters.net database, DL's avg fleet age is 14.6 years. There's still a lot of old aircraft (A320s at 24.8 years, the oldest of subfleets now), and with 844 remaining active aircraft it takes a LOT of new aircraft to bring down the fleet avg.

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Delta-Air-Lines


Two of the MD90's have been at QRO since the first of the year and were supposed be going through heavy maintenance. I imagine Delta told the contractor to stop work and it could be that they are currently not airworthy. There is also a MD90 stuck at MSP, condition unknown.

I wonder if the MD88 still at ATL won't be preserved for Delta's museum and not be sent to be broken up at BYH?

Given the advanced age of the A320 fleet and the fact that all 62 have been grounded since late-March, I'm wondering if Delta doesn't decide that to be their next subfleet to retire?

The MD90 in MSP had some ramp damage I think. It has been used as a V2500 test cell basically for a while. The MSP engine shop did some V2500 work and the airframe was a good way to test the engine out before returning it to service I believe.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:37 am

Any plans to put one at the museum? I know they have a DC-9 there but the MD-88 was so critical to the airline’s history. They could repaint it in the delivery widget with the Wally Bird at 1L.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:00 am

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Any plans to put one at the museum? I know they have a DC-9 there but the MD-88 was so critical to the airline’s history. They could repaint it in the delivery widget with the Wally Bird at 1L.

While it would be ideal, I have my doubts. I feel like it would've already been announced by now if it were the case.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:03 am

My first MD-80 ride: October 21, 1990 ISP-RDU (connected to DAB, also my first flight ever. I was 3 months and 2 days old)
My final MD-80 ride: May 28, 2019 DAB-ATL. Pretty sure it's recorded too. Thankfully.

My goodness I will miss these birds. They were literally the workhorse of my life in the air until very recently. Still heartbroken.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:15 am



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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:30 am

Well I never got the chance to try the MD-90 so I better try the 717 before it’s too late.

I like how they were retired on the same day. At least they somewhat got the send off they deserved unlike Air Canada’s 767.
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:58 am

Sad to see these jets go, truly iconic from a bygone era. Noisy, smokey (the JT8D ones), and built like tanks. They served the airlines well.
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:03 pm

I did see the fire trucks at SRQ preparing yesterday for the water salute in the morning. And in the evening no Delta RON aircraft. Hopefully I’ll catch couple more flights on the 717, and try to get some of the smaller t-tails.
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 1:26 pm

With the MD-88 retirement, were any of them the oldest in the fleet, or does DL were any of the 757 or A320s older than the MD88s retired? What is now the oldest in the fleet?
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:42 pm

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I was on DL88 this morning. I have to say I was disappointed in some of the behavior of aviation enthusiasts on this flight. A number of younger basically exclusively males wearing no face covering, or wearing it but around their neck talking loudly. This is a confined space during a pandemic when studies have shown very clearly that talking and singing are among the best ways to send the virus into the air. Do better, if you’re reading this, especially if you are now on or will soon board another flight.


+1 on this, I was there as well and it was disheartening to see these kids acting the way they were. Some of us were just shaking our heads at the overall behavior. No social distancing, no real mask usage. On top of that, although they were on paid tickets, most insisted on wearing their airline ID's (rule 1 is don't wear your airline ID when you travel). Hint: you don't look cool, you just look ridiculous. Most individuals also tagged the inside of the airplane not with clever, reverent, or even downright "nice" words about the Mad Dog, but instead chose to promote themselves by writing web addresses, twitter handles, and the like all over the airplane. There's a fine line between hobby and fetish, and I think some came dangerously close to that line yesterday.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:47 pm

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With the MD-88 retirement, were any of them the oldest in the fleet, or does DL were any of the 757 or A320s older than the MD88s retired? What is now the oldest in the fleet?

N905DL retired back in April. But if you’re talking about as of June 2nd N917DL. The oldest 757 is N649DL and it’s 31, but it’s configured for charter flights. N658DL is the oldest passenger config. 757. N309US is the oldest A320 at 29 almost 30 years.
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 2:52 pm

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With the MD-88 retirement, were any of them the oldest in the fleet, or does DL were any of the 757 or A320s older than the MD88s retired? What is now the oldest in the fleet?

Looking at airfleets:
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/exploitation.htm

Oldest still registered aircraft:
MD-80 1987
757: 1989
A320: 1990

Some MD-80s are newer than the oldest 757/A320 and the MD-90s were mostly newer.

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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:14 pm

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Well I never got the chance to try the MD-90 so I better try the 717 before it’s too late.


I love 'em. They remind me of a modern-day DC9-30.

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Sad to see these jets go, truly iconic from a bygone era. Noisy, smokey (the JT8D ones), and built like tanks. They served the airlines well.


Amen. Not the funnest to load, but they were sure valuable.

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ryanov wrote:
I was on DL88 this morning. I have to say I was disappointed in some of the behavior of aviation enthusiasts on this flight. A number of younger basically exclusively males wearing no face covering, or wearing it but around their neck talking loudly. This is a confined space during a pandemic when studies have shown very clearly that talking and singing are among the best ways to send the virus into the air. Do better, if you’re reading this, especially if you are now on or will soon board another flight.


+1 on this, I was there as well and it was disheartening to see these kids acting the way they were. Some of us were just shaking our heads at the overall behavior. No social distancing, no real mask usage. On top of that, although they were on paid tickets, most insisted on wearing their airline ID's (rule 1 is don't wear your airline ID when you travel). Hint: you don't look cool, you just look ridiculous. Most individuals also tagged the inside of the airplane not with clever, reverent, or even downright "nice" words about the Mad Dog, but instead chose to promote themselves by writing web addresses, twitter handles, and the like all over the airplane. There's a fine line between hobby and fetish, and I think some came dangerously close to that line yesterday.


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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:48 pm

N312RC wrote:
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I was on DL88 this morning. I have to say I was disappointed in some of the behavior of aviation enthusiasts on this flight. A number of younger basically exclusively males wearing no face covering, or wearing it but around their neck talking loudly. This is a confined space during a pandemic when studies have shown very clearly that talking and singing are among the best ways to send the virus into the air. Do better, if you’re reading this, especially if you are now on or will soon board another flight.


+1 on this, I was there as well and it was disheartening to see these kids acting the way they were. Some of us were just shaking our heads at the overall behavior. No social distancing, no real mask usage. On top of that, although they were on paid tickets, most insisted on wearing their airline ID's (rule 1 is don't wear your airline ID when you travel). Hint: you don't look cool, you just look ridiculous. Most individuals also tagged the inside of the airplane not with clever, reverent, or even downright "nice" words about the Mad Dog, but instead chose to promote themselves by writing web addresses, twitter handles, and the like all over the airplane. There's a fine line between hobby and fetish, and I think some came dangerously close to that line yesterday.


When it comes to writing on the inside of the plane and wearing airline IDs, I agree that needs to be a certain level of respect there. But as far as social distancing is concerned, they are having fun and I think it’s good for people to come together for something good in these times. After all, how many of you have stayed 6 feet apart in a grocery store only to touch the credit card reader upon check out after who knows how many people have touched it already? That’s just one example. And for how much people have been apart from each other and the fact that these planes are wiped down before each flight, your probably at less of a risk there than any place else.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:53 pm

DL produced a final video to commemorate. There really isn't much if any new footage from yesterday though
https://news.delta.com/true-workhorse-d ... mad-dogs-0

Anyone come across anything from spotters or anything in the like on the final fly-out from ATL or anything at BYH yesterday?
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:54 pm

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DL produced a final video to commemorate. There really isn't much if any new footage from yesterday though
https://news.delta.com/true-workhorse-d ... mad-dogs-0

Anyone come across anything from spotters or anything in the like on the final fly-out from ATL or anything at BYH yesterday?


What tailcone is that on the inflight shot of the MD88 with the widget paint?
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:03 pm

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What tailcone is that on the inflight shot of the MD88 with the widget paint?


Standard original tailcone of all the MD-80's.
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:13 pm

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What tailcone is that on the inflight shot of the MD88 with the widget paint?


Standard original tailcone of all the MD-80's.


It wasn't delivered to DL that way though.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:18 pm

catiii wrote:
dennypayne wrote:
catiii wrote:
What tailcone is that on the inflight shot of the MD88 with the widget paint?


Standard original tailcone of all the MD-80's.


It wasn't delivered to DL that way though.

The earliest DL MD-80s were actually MD-82s that were later upgraded to -88s, and yes they had the original tailcone:



The picture used in the video looks like a promotional shot taken around the time the MD-80 was first delivered to DL or shortly before.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:26 pm

Polot wrote:
catiii wrote:
dennypayne wrote:

Standard original tailcone of all the MD-80's.


It wasn't delivered to DL that way though.

The earliest DL MD-80s were actually MD-82s that were later upgraded to -88s, and yes they had the original tailcone:



The picture used in the video looks like a promotional shot taken around the time the MD-80 was first delivered to DL or shortly before.


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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:32 pm

A few questions on the MD88 fleet....

- Why were 901, 902, 903 removed in 2007 / 2008? Were they thinking about removing more then?

- Was any of the fleet ever put into storage (e.g., post-9/11 or 2008/2009 global recession)?

- How many interior refresh or replacements did they get over their lifecycle?

- When did they operate on the NY Shuttle routes?
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:51 pm

For those asking about 964, as of two weeks ago it was still at the Atlanta TOC. The engines and radome had been removed and the interior striped out. It will be scraped, if it hasn't already.

With the 88s gone, that leaves ship 649 as the oldest in the fleet, May 89 build date. It is a 757 in the NBA charter fleet. Oldest in the active passenger fleet is 757 #658 May 90, 767 #171 June 90, and A320 #3209 Aug 90.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:38 pm

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Well I never got the chance to try the MD-90 so I better try the 717 before it’s too late.


Same. I was hoping to try taking the MD88 and the MD90 soon but this stupid virus stole all my chances of ever trying them :(

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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:40 pm

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But as far as social distancing is concerned, they are having fun and I think it’s good for people to come together for something good in these times. After all, how many of you have stayed 6 feet apart in a grocery store only to touch the credit card reader upon check out after who knows how many people have touched it already? That’s just one example. And for how much people have been apart from each other and the fact that these planes are wiped down before each flight, your probably at less of a risk there than any place else.


That's not a good example. Full disclosure, I'm a union president for a local that represents university and healthcare employees, so I've been at more briefings about this than is recommended if you want a good night's sleep.

In the case you mentioned, sure. Then moments later, what one should do is alcohol/hand sanitize/wash your hands; if you get it on your hands, you just don't touch your face and clean them and you're fine. Loud speaking, which is the kind of speaking one does toward the rear of an MD-88 in flight, puts stuff into the air. Look up writings on that one church choir that got everyone sick if you want an example. Similar type of use of the voice. The protection against that (such as it is), is masks (primarily to prevent it from getting into the air, not to protect you from inhaling it), face shields, and good ventilation. Airplanes do have good ventilation, but someone yelling 3 feet away from you with no masks means you can get it in your eyes on inhale it through a mask. I just opened the vents full blast to direct air away from myself, but there were times on both flights where there was no ventilation longer than there probably should have been.

Delta, for their part, was encouraging mask use, and said that's all they can do. It's their airplane, so I can't understand why they'd be limited here. To his credit, the one FA on the flight was telling those that were wearing masks to put them on whenever they were found not wearing one, including making PAs about it, and I told anyone who came into my space to either put a mask on or move along. There was always going to be some risk to taking that flight, but there was well more than there should have been, and that's disappointing, on the part of both the AvGeeks and the airline. I enjoyed flight 1201 the night before quite a bit more, and that sunset was gorgeous.
 
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Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:43 pm

Does anyone know what will take the place of the MD88 elevator fabrication shop in the Minneapolis TOC, it's quite a large area.
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Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:37 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
A few questions on the MD88 fleet....

- Why were 901, 902, 903 removed in 2007 / 2008? Were they thinking about removing more then?

- Was any of the fleet ever put into storage (e.g., post-9/11 or 2008/2009 global recession)?

- How many interior refresh or replacements did they get over their lifecycle?

- When did they operate on the NY Shuttle routes?

I think 901, 902 and 903 were lease turn backs. The holders of the leases did not want to renegotiate the lease terms under chpt 11 so Delta said fine take them back.

I don't know the years of the Shuttle operation but I know they were used during the 2005-2010 time period. I think some sections were operated by one of the connection carriers also at that time.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:51 pm

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I'm doing ORD-ATL-CHS-ATL on 5/31 with the last flight being on the MD-88. Then I'm going to spend a night at the famous Renaissance Concourse Hotel (I'm assuming it shouldn't be difficult to get a room facing the runway) before doing ATL-IAH the next morning on the MD-90.

Its been a few days since I returned home and I'm pleased to report everything went off without a hitch (although I did end up rushing to catch my flight to ATL in time - a large chunk of the freeway in Wisconsin was unexpectedly closed and when I got to the new parking structure at ORD the shuttle bus took forever to show up). Thankfully, the weather cooperated throughout the two days and there were no unexpected equipment swaps. Clearly this was a special time because I was very surprised how many other people I came across who were out to get one last look at the MDs! As the captain announced our descent into ATL he also made sure to acknowledge the aircraft's impending retirement. I've had a ton of MD-80 flights over the years on Midwest, American, and Delta, but I'm glad I decided to do this last trip. I'm definitely in that camp of people who thinks its a little dull to have almost all flights these days operated by a 737 or A320, so I'm happy that the 717s are still with us.
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In the second to last photo you can even see the pilot getting his picture taken with the MD-90.

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It looks like 970 sat in CHS since 5/18, before ferrying up to BYH today.

Interestingly, when I arrived at CHS there was a MD-88 sitting at the gate next to us and it was still there several hours later when I returned for my flight back to ATL. In the picture below my flight was on the one on the right side at A5. Right after I took the picture I was approached by law enforcement who informed me TSA had alerted them that somebody was suspiciously walking around and taking photos. :sarcastic:
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I was on DL88 this morning. I have to say I was disappointed in some of the behavior of aviation enthusiasts on this flight. A number of younger basically exclusively males wearing no face covering, or wearing it but around their neck talking loudly. This is a confined space during a pandemic when studies have shown very clearly that talking and singing are among the best ways to send the virus into the air. Do better, if you’re reading this, especially if you are now on or will soon board another flight.

From everything I remember reading about AA's final MD-80 flight, it sounded like it was a party-like atmosphere onboard so I think you should cut them some slack for getting excited and having some fun. Sure, when I look back my younger days there's probably some instances where I maybe didn't act quite as mature as I should've, but that's life.
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:09 am

Hope to see a few back into service with other carrier...
 
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:37 am

This is an interesting photo. A lot more of the interior was changed than I remembered, but really I only took one flight on them before about 2006. Looks like they changed the PSU color from black to white, also changed out the seatbelt/no-smoking signs from black to white, and added the lighting above the windows. I knew about the reconfiguration that removed the galley already.

Is there any chance this is just AA?

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ryanov wrote:
This is an interesting photo. A lot more of the interior was changed than I remembered, but really I only took one flight on them before about 2006. Looks like they changed the PSU color from black to white, also changed out the seatbelt/no-smoking signs from black to white, and added the lighting above the windows. I knew about the reconfiguration that removed the galley already.

Is there any chance this is just AA?

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Nope, the seat fabric design and uniforms are circa 2001.
 
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:34 am

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DL produced a final video to commemorate. There really isn't much if any new footage from yesterday though
https://news.delta.com/true-workhorse-d ... mad-dogs-0

Anyone come across anything from spotters or anything in the like on the final fly-out from ATL or anything at BYH yesterday?



I took this photo among many others yesterday! I flew in on DL90 and hopped up into a helicopter to catch the final festivities from the air too. More on my Instagram @diecastryan

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Delta-A ... 88/6044293
 
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Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:54 am

I'm glad I got a bunch of seat time in the 88 on DL - always booked the two seat side as I was pretty much traveling solo (work had my flying a bunch). Only flew the 90 a handful of times and it was never quite the same, just more boring overall and the old school slimline seats were garbage.

ATL will definitely be a lot more boring, hopefully the 717 and 757 still soldier on to break up the monotony of 73X and A319/A32X. One bright side is the ATL skies will be a little quieter, the MD-88 was still pretty rowdy on takeoff vs the 717/737/A319/A320/A321.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:48 am

As one of the people who apparently wrote their username on the bins as a "fetish", as called out by a fellow forum member, I would've done it again, I enjoyed every single moment of that flight.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:37 am

phllax wrote:
ryanov wrote:
This is an interesting photo. A lot more of the interior was changed than I remembered, but really I only took one flight on them before about 2006. Looks like they changed the PSU color from black to white, also changed out the seatbelt/no-smoking signs from black to white, and added the lighting above the windows. I knew about the reconfiguration that removed the galley already.

Is there any chance this is just AA?

Image


Nope, the seat fabric design and uniforms are circa 2001.

AA did a 2x3 seating configuration on their MD-80s. All NW DC-9s (including the MD-80s--fka DC-9 Super 80) had a 2x3 configuration. Only DL and a few others did a 3x2 configuration.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:41 am

mke717spotter wrote:
From everything I remember reading about AA's final MD-80 flight, it sounded like it was a party-like atmosphere onboard so I think you should cut them some slack for getting excited and having some fun. Sure, when I look back my younger days there's probably some instances where I maybe didn't act quite as mature as I should've, but that's life.


Unfortunately this virus suffocates people to death, and guaranteed someone on that flight is in one of the higher-risk groups, possibly even one of the captains. And everyone knows that the airline told everyone to wear a mask and stay away from one another. I realize you can't make things perfectly safe, and if you're in a high-risk group, boarding that flight was probably a bad idea. But it doesn't really seem right for that flight to have to be that much more unsafe because some people couldn't have a little consideration.

I don't mean to turn this into a COVID-19 thread, but I'm wiling to bet at least some of the people involved might be reading this and might change their behavior in the future. It's important enough that I'm harping on it a bit.

B727skyguy wrote:
AA did a 2x3 seating configuration on their MD-80s. All NW DC-9s (including the MD-80s--fka DC-9 Super 80) had a 2x3 configuration. Only DL and a few others did a 3x2 configuration.


Oh of course. Thanks.

I had a look through some of the other photos on airliners.net. Looks like some of those changes were made in the 2006 timeframe; I see at the lighting running along the underside of the bins (I'm assuming it was just that "windows" were added to let the light from above through) is present in those photos and doesn't appear to be prior. PSU buttons were on a black background though, unless some planes had it one way and some had it another.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:13 am

ryanov wrote:
I was on DL88 this morning. I have to say I was disappointed in some of the behavior of aviation enthusiasts on this flight. A number of younger basically exclusively males wearing no face covering, or wearing it but around their neck talking loudly. This is a confined space during a pandemic when studies have shown very clearly that talking and singing are among the best ways to send the virus into the air. Do better, if you’re reading this, especially if you are now on or will soon board another flight.

I was on the inbound last night and nearly every person was very cautious/respectful and so I didn’t say anything here, even though I thought to. Mistake I guess.

So long to an old friend. My first flight on an MD-88 was in 2004 on ship 9006, but I’ve been flying on the MD-80 series at least since 1997 on Continental, also a few trips on AA.

Will really miss the sound of those jets, and that blaring 400 Hz hum that I’ve come to know so well.

#33A4life


I was one of the many younger Gen Z kids onboard DL88 a couple days back. I wrote one meaningful, mature, normal thing about the plane at my seat (17E) as I have about 90 rides on the -88 and -90 from growing up having parents in the industry, I was up and down the aisles constantly and could've been wearing my mask a little more often I will say that. But I myself never intended for it to become so chaotic. I was surprised myself seeing people that I knew ripping out window shades, seat number placards, seatbelts, etc. I was not about to permanently detach anything from that aircraft. The general chaotic nature of the flight is not how I wanted to remember the final flight, and I was deeply hurt seeing the disgust in the eyes of the FA's who just wanted to maintain order. I listened to everything they said as if it was a regular, non-celebratory flight. I absolutely love my friends that were there with me on the flight, but there was no reason to loot the plane like that. On behalf of the AvGeeks of my generation, and the others there who wanted to remember the aircraft properly, act like adults, and maintain order, I am so very sorry, so much so that I feel guilty and just need to get it off my chest here.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:26 am

Six years ago, I flew on a MD90 (N945DN) from ATL to ORD, and the flight back was on a MD88 (N983DL). It was an amazing experience being able to sit next to the engines on both flights and hearing the satisfying sound of them. I will most definitely miss these fantastic planes.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:11 pm

adls307usa wrote:
ryanov wrote:
I was on DL88 this morning. I have to say I was disappointed in some of the behavior of aviation enthusiasts on this flight. A number of younger basically exclusively males wearing no face covering, or wearing it but around their neck talking loudly. This is a confined space during a pandemic when studies have shown very clearly that talking and singing are among the best ways to send the virus into the air. Do better, if you’re reading this, especially if you are now on or will soon board another flight.

I was on the inbound last night and nearly every person was very cautious/respectful and so I didn’t say anything here, even though I thought to. Mistake I guess.

So long to an old friend. My first flight on an MD-88 was in 2004 on ship 9006, but I’ve been flying on the MD-80 series at least since 1997 on Continental, also a few trips on AA.

Will really miss the sound of those jets, and that blaring 400 Hz hum that I’ve come to know so well.

#33A4life


I was one of the many younger Gen Z kids onboard DL88 a couple days back. I wrote one meaningful, mature, normal thing about the plane at my seat (17E) as I have about 90 rides on the -88 and -90 from growing up having parents in the industry, I was up and down the aisles constantly and could've been wearing my mask a little more often I will say that. But I myself never intended for it to become so chaotic. I was surprised myself seeing people that I knew ripping out window shades, seat number placards, seatbelts, etc. I was not about to permanently detach anything from that aircraft. The general chaotic nature of the flight is not how I wanted to remember the final flight, and I was deeply hurt seeing the disgust in the eyes of the FA's who just wanted to maintain order. I listened to everything they said as if it was a regular, non-celebratory flight. I absolutely love my friends that were there with me on the flight, but there was no reason to loot the plane like that. On behalf of the AvGeeks of my generation, and the others there who wanted to remember the aircraft properly, act like adults, and maintain order, I am so very sorry, so much so that I feel guilty and just need to get it off my chest here.


Thanks for coming out and speaking against that. I follow most of y'all on Instagram so I was really surprised to hear about the inflight shenanigans. Celebration and looting just don't go together.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:54 pm

ryanov wrote:
mke717spotter wrote:
From everything I remember reading about AA's final MD-80 flight, it sounded like it was a party-like atmosphere onboard so I think you should cut them some slack for getting excited and having some fun. Sure, when I look back my younger days there's probably some instances where I maybe didn't act quite as mature as I should've, but that's life.


Unfortunately this virus suffocates people to death, and guaranteed someone on that flight is in one of the higher-risk groups, possibly even one of the captains. And everyone knows that the airline told everyone to wear a mask and stay away from one another. I realize you can't make things perfectly safe, and if you're in a high-risk group, boarding that flight was probably a bad idea. But it doesn't really seem right for that flight to have to be that much more unsafe because some people couldn't have a little consideration.

I don't mean to turn this into a COVID-19 thread, but I'm wiling to bet at least some of the people involved might be reading this and might change their behavior in the future. It's important enough that I'm harping on it a bit.

B727skyguy wrote:
AA did a 2x3 seating configuration on their MD-80s. All NW DC-9s (including the MD-80s--fka DC-9 Super 80) had a 2x3 configuration. Only DL and a few others did a 3x2 configuration.


Oh of course. Thanks.

I had a look through some of the other photos on airliners.net. Looks like some of those changes were made in the 2006 timeframe; I see at the lighting running along the underside of the bins (I'm assuming it was just that "windows" were added to let the light from above through) is present in those photos and doesn't appear to be prior. PSU buttons were on a black background though, unless some planes had it one way and some had it another.

The lights at the top of the sidewalls and the 'windows' you are referencing have always been there. They were plain old florescent tubes until around 2012 I think when we began installing the LED light mod. that replaced every tube in the plane with a LED strip. The PSU seat lights were replaced sometime in the 2006-2010 time frame. The PSU still looked the same to the pax It just had a LED fixture inside. The PSU's themselves were changed when the entire cabin retrofit was done that removed the aft galley and changed the fwd galleys. I think that was some where around 2012 also.

Before the florescent tubes were replaced by LED there was a timeframe of a couple of years where the tubes were switched from warm white to cool white. It made a for a much brighter cabin.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:13 pm

phllax wrote:
ryanov wrote:
This is an interesting photo. A lot more of the interior was changed than I remembered, but really I only took one flight on them before about 2006. Looks like they changed the PSU color from black to white, also changed out the seatbelt/no-smoking signs from black to white, and added the lighting above the windows. I knew about the reconfiguration that removed the galley already.

Is there any chance this is just AA?

Image


Nope, the seat fabric design and uniforms are circa 2001.


I'm not Master of Seat Fabrics but I can tell you Verizon got Airfone in its 2000 purchase of GTE and shut it down in 2006. (Not to argue that carriers pulled out the handsets immediately.)

Airfone, which Verizon acquired when it bought GTE in 2000, has phones in about 1,000 planes operated by Continental, Delta, United Airlines and US Airways.

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/23/tech ... rfone.html
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:26 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
DL produced a final video to commemorate. There really isn't much if any new footage from yesterday though
https://news.delta.com/true-workhorse-d ... mad-dogs-0

Anyone come across anything from spotters or anything in the like on the final fly-out from ATL or anything at BYH yesterday?


Very classy Delta and nice touch.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:36 pm

I did some searching for photos and here are some interior photos of DL MD-88s over time:

1996: (Is this the original interior, didn't realize they were red seats??)


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1999: (This how I first remember them looking inside)



2000:


---- Replaced overhead bins, leather seat covers
2006:


2006: - Shuttle Configuration (single-class configurations)





2007:


2011:


----- M8R configuration started in late 2011/ early 2012 to remove rear galley, remove fixed bulkhead between F&Y, new seat covers, added power ports
2015:


2016:


2018:




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Other interesting photos:



 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:41 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
phllax wrote:
ryanov wrote:
This is an interesting photo. A lot more of the interior was changed than I remembered, but really I only took one flight on them before about 2006. Looks like they changed the PSU color from black to white, also changed out the seatbelt/no-smoking signs from black to white, and added the lighting above the windows. I knew about the reconfiguration that removed the galley already.

Is there any chance this is just AA?

Image


Nope, the seat fabric design and uniforms are circa 2001.


I'm not Master of Seat Fabrics but I can tell you Verizon got Airfone in its 2000 purchase of GTE and shut it down in 2006. (Not to argue that carriers pulled out the handsets immediately.)

Airfone, which Verizon acquired when it bought GTE in 2000, has phones in about 1,000 planes operated by Continental, Delta, United Airlines and US Airways.

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/23/tech ... rfone.html


Man, the last time I ever sat behind the M88 rear galley was probably 15 years ago when they only converted the seats to the blue leather, still had the old PSUs and signs. Airfones disappeared when they went to Delta leather, they were certainly were being taken out in 2005.

The refreshed LED lighting was great, probably the best upgrade, made the cabin look newer to many non-airliner people day or night.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:47 pm

MD-90 Interiors:

2000 - Original interiors (yikes, the seats appear dated even by mid-90s standards)


----

2002 - refreshed seat covers, air fones, drop-down monitors; the nostalgia


2004


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2013 - the last and final interiors as they onboarded the 2nd hand MD90s, added seats, removed the rear galley


2015


2016:


2018:
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:04 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
phllax wrote:
ryanov wrote:
This is an interesting photo. A lot more of the interior was changed than I remembered, but really I only took one flight on them before about 2006. Looks like they changed the PSU color from black to white, also changed out the seatbelt/no-smoking signs from black to white, and added the lighting above the windows. I knew about the reconfiguration that removed the galley already.

Is there any chance this is just AA?

Image


Nope, the seat fabric design and uniforms are circa 2001.


I'm not Master of Seat Fabrics but I can tell you Verizon got Airfone in its 2000 purchase of GTE and shut it down in 2006. (Not to argue that carriers pulled out the handsets immediately.)

Airfone, which Verizon acquired when it bought GTE in 2000, has phones in about 1,000 planes operated by Continental, Delta, United Airlines and US Airways.

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/23/tech ... rfone.html

It was Bell Atlantic that bought GTE, who then changed their name to Verizon.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:09 pm

I love this photo.It was likely taken in Bay 1 in TOC1. I recognize one of the tote trays full of tools as a former crew mate. We gave him the nickname 'Flash'. A real nice older guy on a second career. He did good work , but not the quickest.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:51 pm

Look at all that flammable metalized mylar insulation. (Later corrected by an AD)
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:20 pm

Please keep the discussion civil. This topic is about Delta’s retirement of the MD-88/90, not about wearing masks.
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