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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:36 pm

One more MD-90 on the way to BYH right now.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:24 pm

And another one just took off from ATL, DAL 9940. So with an earlier flight DAL9941 and DAL9942 that just landed that makes it 3 today so far. And the day is not over with yet.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:03 pm

FlyingViking wrote:
And another one just took off from ATL, DAL 9940. So with an earlier flight DAL9941 and DAL9942 that just landed that makes it 3 today so far. And the day is not over with yet.


Sent an A359 there today too it looks like. I’m sure that one will not be staying at BYH forever though haha
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:29 pm

FlyingViking wrote:
One more MD-90 on the way to BYH right now.


FlyingViking wrote:
And another one just took off from ATL, DAL 9940. So with an earlier flight DAL9941 and DAL9942 that just landed that makes it 3 today so far. And the day is not over with yet.


9219: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n919dn
9223: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n923dn
9924: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n924dn
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:38 pm

hsaviation wrote:
tommer419 wrote:
DL posted their latest April schedule internally today and there are zero M90 flights on the schedule. M88 service appears to continue throughout the month from ATL to BDL, BNA, CMH, DAB, GRR, IND, LIT, MCI, MEM, OMA, ORF, PHL, PIT, RDU, RIC, SAT, SRQ, and STL. It’s the end of the MD-90, at least for now.

There are definitely less, however there are MD90s scheduled on ATL-CLE (2x daily), ELP (2x daily), SRQ (3x daily), BDL (4x daily), IAH (6x daily), PHL (2x daily) and BUF (4x daily) throughout April - although these are the only ones i can find :o


The schedule hasn't loaded in to GDS yet, but there will be 0 MD-90 flights.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:00 pm

hsaviation wrote:
tommer419 wrote:
jb1087xna wrote:

I have a ATL-PWM segment booked in mid-May and as of today it’s still showing as an MD90. They may not have dealt with May yet from an equipment perspective...but at least for now it’s still showing one.


The May schedule has been taken down from the internal schedule portal. It probably just has a filler schedule until finalized. The reason why you can still see MD90s as bookable is because the schedule released internally yesterday has not been placed in the reservation system yet. Once the final April schedule is in the res system, you will see a total of *zero* MD90 flights.

:cry:
What aircraft are the substitute for the MD90 flights? Or are the flights being pulled completely?

Delta is parking 600 aircraft. It won't be a challenge to find replacement aircraft if the flight happens.

9/11 was the USA shut down for a few days. This will last longer. The majority of service industry worked 9/11, now the opposite.

This will take some time to reboot.

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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:54 am

I'm booked on an MD-90 from ATL to RDU on May 15th. Sadly I guess it will be another aircraft
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:13 pm

MD8090orDRIVE wrote:
I'm booked on an MD-90 from ATL to RDU on May 15th. Sadly I guess it will be another aircraft

I'm booked on an MD-88 from ATL to MCI on May 30. Sadly, it's still on an MD-88. I booked that flight deliberately because it **wasn't** and MD-88 :banghead:
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:47 pm

I was trying to hop on the Delta 7am MCI-ATL tomorrow with the MD90 but it looks like that flight and all the 90 flights to/from MCI have cancelled for the next few days. Are the 90s all gone?

I’ll try to jump on the 88 MCI-ATL-MCI before the end of the week and get some good videos; what’s the best seat for the engine view and sound, 32-33?
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:20 pm

mbaer747 wrote:
I was trying to hop on the Delta 7am MCI-ATL tomorrow with the MD90 but it looks like that flight and all the 90 flights to/from MCI have cancelled for the next few days. Are the 90s all gone?

I’ll try to jump on the 88 MCI-ATL-MCI before the end of the week and get some good videos; what’s the best seat for the engine view and sound, 32-33?


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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:53 am

mbaer747 wrote:
I’ll try to jump on the 88 MCI-ATL-MCI before the end of the week and get some good videos; what’s the best seat for the engine view and sound, 32-33?


33A, or 33-34E.

https://www.delta.com/us/en/aircraft/mc ... glas/md-88
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:47 am

N776AU wrote:
MD8090orDRIVE wrote:
I'm booked on an MD-90 from ATL to RDU on May 15th. Sadly I guess it will be another aircraft

I'm booked on an MD-88 from ATL to MCI on May 30. Sadly, it's still on an MD-88. I booked that flight deliberately because it **wasn't** and MD-88 :banghead:


That happened to me before back in the day on ATL-EWR in July 2010. The flight went from an MD-90 (back when DL still had overhead LCD screens on the M90 fleet) but went tech and downgraded to the M88. I was pretty bummed because it was probably the last year when they were in that particular configuration before they slimmed the seats and ripped out the LCDs. I booked it specifically for that.

Other than a great takeoff performance, you're not missing much on the M90 these days compared to the M88. I was more than pleased to fly an M88 on MLB-ATL going to AUS last fall and it was actually a clean and quiet flight.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:56 am

I won't miss the 90s as much. The engines do sound neat/different than on an A320, but nothing else has that low-bypass sound of the MD-88, and nothing ever will again.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:20 pm

There's something about an MD80 on a humid summer morning, just amazing.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:50 pm

DALMD80 wrote:
There's something about an MD80 on a humid summer morning, just amazing.


Agreed. I used to be a medallion member for some time on DL and loved sitting in row 1 on an 80/90, because the wingtip would "drop" so low on initial climb-out. I always made a point to watch that, because it gave the sense that the aircraft had pitched to the point that it was flirting with a stall. :cloudnine:
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:54 pm

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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:53 pm

Things are quieting down at BYH after a busy weekend. The current tally for MD88's is 32 active and 15 parked. For MD90's the tally is 11 active and 15 parked. There is one more MD88 scheduled to be sent to BYH today, which will change the numbers to 31 active and 16 parked.

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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:37 pm

Are the parked ones just sitting there or are they being parted yet?.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:35 am

ryanov wrote:
I won't miss the 90s as much.

I finally had my first MD-90 trip last month via ATL-SAT. I was in row 17, so needless to say it was rather quiet. But now I wish I had gone to the back of the MD-90 to compare the noise level to MD-80s. I especially would have compared it to a flight I had in the back of an old US D93 over two decades ago. On that particular D93, I almost had to :yell: to be heard.

ryanov wrote:
The engines do sound neat/different than on an A320,

Come to think of it, I had never been on a plane with IAE V2500 engines before my recent DL MD-90 flight.

BTW, DL's A320s have CFM 56 engines. Other A320 customers like JetBlue have IAE V2500 powerplants that are similar to the V2500s used for MD-90s. AA has A320s with both CFM and IAE engines. I haven't been on any A320s with IAE engines so can't offer a direct comparison to an MD-90 regarding cabin sounds/noise.

ryanov wrote:
but nothing else has that low-bypass sound of the MD-88, and nothing ever will again.

:checkmark:

I like the JT8D-200's sound better than earlier JT8Ds (with even lower bypass ratio) on DC-9s, 727s, first generation 737s.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:01 pm

Glad I got on my first MD-90 back in January. It was a hellish itinerary due to the massive blizzard that messed up the entire Midwest, but we managed to get through on MKE-ATL.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:02 am

N912DN flies ATL-scrap heap tomorrow
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:09 am

Tick-Tock getting down to the last 10, we are now on MD-90 deathwatch.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:09 am

Are the MD88/MD90 at Blythville being scrapped yet?.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:42 am

I highly doubt they have done any scrap activity at all when the current priority of DL and the vendors are to secure, Park, and store aircraft at an unprecedented rate.

Quite simply I doubt the decisions have been fully made, the manpower isn’t available, and there is no real urgency to start scrapping frames at this time.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:21 pm

Even after full and official retirement there won’t be much urgency to scrap the frames. With no other operators there is little value in most of the parts, mostly just in the value of the scrap metal. That will put them behind more lucrative aircraft unless the scrappers have nothing else to scrap or they really need the space.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:09 pm

Plus right now and at least for the next several months, the scrap market has collapsed due to lack of demand and/or essentially locked-up as many processing facilities and yards have stopped taking in scrap.

All available labor at these facilities is going to be focused on activities required for short/medium/long-term storage of aircraft, particularly ones that are going back into service sooner rather than later.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:25 pm

I am scheduled on an MD-88 BNA-ATL on Jun 6th DL 2180. I am assuming either BNA-ATL will be one of the last few MD-88 markets or the plane will be swapped to something else by that point.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:00 pm

gsg013 wrote:
I am scheduled on an MD-88 BNA-ATL on Jun 6th DL 2180. I am assuming either BNA-ATL will be one of the last few MD-88 markets or the plane will be swapped to something else by that point.


I don't think DL has really touched their summer schedules much yet - along with the other U.S. majors, they've been focusing on cutting April and May before looking further out. There's a good chance your flight could be changed in the coming weeks.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:03 pm

How far out can I trust the schedule?

Monday April 6 is showing six SRQ-ATL...4 MD-88s & 2 MD-90. Now, if the pastweek is any indication, they will likely cancel at least 4 of these flights.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:05 pm

Lootess wrote:
Tick-Tock getting down to the last 10, we are now on MD-90 deathwatch.


IRONIC

About 4 months ago, they said these birds would be retired in 2022
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:19 pm

727LOVER wrote:
Lootess wrote:
Tick-Tock getting down to the last 10, we are now on MD-90 deathwatch.


IRONIC

About 4 months ago, they said these birds would be retired in 2022

It's not really ironic...it's a fundamental change in circumstances occurring predominately over the last two weeks.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:46 pm

I believe its been posted elsewhere there is no scheduled MD90 flying for April.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:53 pm

727LOVER wrote:
N912DN flies ATL-scrap heap tomorrow


Oh no!
That's the ONLY MD-90 I ever got to fly in!
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:01 pm

727LOVER wrote:
Lootess wrote:
Tick-Tock getting down to the last 10, we are now on MD-90 deathwatch.


IRONIC

About 4 months ago, they said these birds would be retired in 2022

For now they are only PARKED. The retirement schedule is still showing the same plan as on 1 Jan 2020, Yes, they could be flying their last flights but nothing is decided yet.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:35 pm

HVNandrew wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
Lootess wrote:
Tick-Tock getting down to the last 10, we are now on MD-90 deathwatch.


IRONIC

About 4 months ago, they said these birds would be retired in 2022

It's not really ironic...it's a fundamental change in circumstances occurring predominately over the last two weeks.

This was a true black swan event. Everything changed. It will depend on how much of a V this recovery has. Due to the shutdown of the service sector, many airline customers will not be traveling.

The cost to reactivate an entire fleet is high. Unless these Aircraft are needed for summer 2021, I expect no return to service. #coronavirus killed the Douglas T-tails. To save money, Delta will shut down the vendor chain. Vendors will need/demand a premium to start back up. I doubt DL will pay.

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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:55 pm

A couple of interesting bits I found on Flight Aware. It appears that all the MD88's will be back at the ATL base by 10:00pm tonight. Normally several of these would fly night flights to Florida destinations like DAB and overnight. I wonder if they are "putting out the fire and calling in the dogs, because the hunt's over" for the MD88's this weekend?

https://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/MD88

Currently there is only 2 MD90's in the air. The PHL flight will overnight and return tomorrow morning.

https://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/MD90
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:37 am

N976DL is about to land at GSP. I’d imagine it’s spending the night there.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:06 am

Northwest1988 wrote:
N976DL is about to land at GSP. I’d imagine it’s spending the night there.


Yes indeed. It is spending the night and will return to ATL bright & early tomorrow morning. There will also be a MD90 overnighting at PHL and returning early tomorrow morning. There also seems to be one more MD90 and a few MD88's heading out for overnights, too.

https://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/MD90

https://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/MD88

But this is the last weekend of March and I wonder if Delta bites the bullet and sends another squadron of MD88's & MD90's to BYH this weekend???
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:10 am

An MD-90 rocketing out of MSP:
http://youtu.be/4bPn5NXrbLk

And another one landing without thrust reversers:
https://youtu.be/xAWVneHMKS8
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:16 am

If they can't operate a proper MD-88 retirement flight, I hope they sent one to pick up some A320 pilots at VCV so we can finally say that A320 pilots flew home from the desert on a DC-9.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:36 am

Keeping the MD88s in ATL tonight Likely mostly due to not needing to operate the late evening flights, and also keeping crew layovers down by getting them all back to base for the evening as much as possible.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:07 am

MDGLongBeach wrote:
How come SBD isn't receiving any MD80s or 90s for storage as like usual?


Because they are not coming back. The company in NZ is dropping the overhaul of the -90 engine & well time for MD-88 to go as 1 critical part cannot be made anymore.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:47 am

Sad times :( at least we will still see the 717!
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:31 pm

Such an anticlimactic end for the -88/90s. I’ve been wondering what kind of send off they would get for a long time and it looks like this is it...
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:57 pm

Northwest1988 wrote:
Such an anticlimactic end for the -88/90s. I’ve been wondering what kind of send off they would get for a long time and it looks like this is it...


Yeah it is so disappointing. And I doubt there will be enough cash on hand to do a proper retirement party once things ramp back up.

Although the COVID crisis is unprecedented, past recessions did also make airplanes go away quickly and somewhat unexpectedly. The TWA Convair 880s, for example, were grounded very quickly after the economy crashed in late 1973. And the 1982 recession and interest rate spike pretty much ended it for all the remaining 707s and DC-8s at the US carriers (except for the soon-to-be re-engined strech -8s.). Pan Am and TWA did do a lot of fanfare, though, for their last 707 flights. We can only hope to some day see an -88/-90 party at Delta.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:23 pm

TW870 wrote:
Although the COVID crisis is unprecedented, past recessions did also make airplanes go away quickly and somewhat unexpectedly. The TWA Convair 880s, for example, were grounded very quickly after the economy crashed in late 1973. And the 1982 recession and interest rate spike pretty much ended it for all the remaining 707s and DC-8s at the US carriers (except for the soon-to-be re-engined strech -8s.). Pan Am and TWA did do a lot of fanfare, though, for their last 707 flights. We can only hope to some day see an -88/-90 party at Delta.

To add to that list with a more recent example, in 2001/2002 US quickly retired their F100s, MD-80s and other aircraft types in the midst of a recession.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:49 pm

TW870 wrote:
Northwest1988 wrote:
Such an anticlimactic end for the -88/90s. I’ve been wondering what kind of send off they would get for a long time and it looks like this is it...


Yeah it is so disappointing. And I doubt there will be enough cash on hand to do a proper retirement party once things ramp back up.

Although the COVID crisis is unprecedented, past recessions did also make airplanes go away quickly and somewhat unexpectedly. The TWA Convair 880s, for example, were grounded very quickly after the economy crashed in late 1973. And the 1982 recession and interest rate spike pretty much ended it for all the remaining 707s and DC-8s at the US carriers (except for the soon-to-be re-engined strech -8s.). Pan Am and TWA did do a lot of fanfare, though, for their last 707 flights. We can only hope to some day see an -88/-90 party at Delta.

I know in business there isn't any place of sentiment, but it would be nice if they could hold onto 1 of each model to do at least some sort of small send off when things calm down.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:22 pm

HVNandrew wrote:
TW870 wrote:
Although the COVID crisis is unprecedented, past recessions did also make airplanes go away quickly and somewhat unexpectedly. The TWA Convair 880s, for example, were grounded very quickly after the economy crashed in late 1973. And the 1982 recession and interest rate spike pretty much ended it for all the remaining 707s and DC-8s at the US carriers (except for the soon-to-be re-engined strech -8s.). Pan Am and TWA did do a lot of fanfare, though, for their last 707 flights. We can only hope to some day see an -88/-90 party at Delta.

To add to that list with a more recent example, in 2001/2002 US quickly retired their F100s, MD-80s and other aircraft types in the midst of a recession.


727s and L-1011s went fairly quickly as well. I miss being on the ramp behind a Tristar as it starts it's engines. One plus for working at ASA in ATL.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:43 pm

No scheduled flights to BYH so far this weekend. It looks like the MD fleet will keep running for the time being.

https://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/MD90

https://flightaware.com/live/aircrafttype/MD88

Here's the latest Delta fleet status. There are 31 active MD88's and 10 MD90's.

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Delta-Air-Lines
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:40 pm

HVNandrew wrote:
TW870 wrote:
Although the COVID crisis is unprecedented, past recessions did also make airplanes go away quickly and somewhat unexpectedly. The TWA Convair 880s, for example, were grounded very quickly after the economy crashed in late 1973. And the 1982 recession and interest rate spike pretty much ended it for all the remaining 707s and DC-8s at the US carriers (except for the soon-to-be re-engined strech -8s.). Pan Am and TWA did do a lot of fanfare, though, for their last 707 flights. We can only hope to some day see an -88/-90 party at Delta.

To add to that list with a more recent example, in 2001/2002 US quickly retired their F100s, MD-80s and other aircraft types in the midst of a recession.


Yep, similarly United pulled the 727s and 737-200s right after 9/11 with no fanfare. I was a UA flight attendant then and worked the 727 all the time right up to 9/11. In the summer of 2001, my lines regularly had a trip that had me working ORD-OAK and ORD-SLC on the 727. Then the crisis hit, and then they parked both fleets at the end of October I believe. I pass rode on a 727 from MSP-DEN in late-September, 2001, not thinking much of it. That was the last time I was ever on a 727. My first ever flight was as a little kid in late-1982 on an NW 727-200 on MSP-ATL. I wish I would have been able to realize that my last flight on the type was happening when it did.

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Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos