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UA downgauges SFO-HKG and EWR-HKG

Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:13 pm

After suspending ORD-HKG, UA is now also downgrading the remaining services to HKG

EWR-HKG is downgraded from 77W to 772 (with old configurations)
SFO-HKG maintains 2 daily but both flights are downgraded to 772 (with old configurations). Originally, the SFO flights are planned to use 772 with new configurations.

The significance is that the business class is configured with 2-4-2 in the old 772s.

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Re: UA downgrades SFO-HKG and EWR-HKG

Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:19 pm

Ouch. Could AA be considering anything? Wonder how this is affecting Hong Kong Airlines as well...
 
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Re: UA downgrades SFO-HKG and EWR-HKG

Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:30 pm

Not the topic at hand, but why would anyone fly in a business class with a 2-4-2 configuration on such a long flight. That seems so outdated and not competitive.

Any who, why not keep SFO-HKG at 1 daily but with the 77W.


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Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:38 pm

chepos wrote:
Not the topic at hand, but why would anyone fly in a business class with a 2-4-2 configuration on such a long flight. That seems so outdated and not competitive.

Any who, why not keep SFO-HKG at 1 daily but with the 77W.


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I suppose United still sees sufficient demand for 2x daily on SFO-HKG. Hong Kong Airlines, which I believe announced the cut before protests began, will be exiting the route in October.
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:39 pm

chepos wrote:
Not the topic at hand, but why would anyone fly in a business class with a 2-4-2 configuration on such a long flight. That seems so outdated and not competitive.

Any who, why not keep SFO-HKG at 1 daily but with the 77W.


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Because UA competes with CX that has up to 4 daily services from SFO to HKG. Having one daily departure only is not competitive.

Not sure the old sUA 2-4-2 will be used from SFO, but the old sCO 777s. Those have a 2-2-2 config with the old seat, same as ex sCO 764s. At least that is what I get from reading the article referenced on the first post.
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:43 pm

They will not use the 2-4--2 configuration, but 2-2-2 the former Continental business class the same used in the B787, of course the premium economy class and a superior executive class product are being lost, On the good side, economy class passengers benefit since the old configuration is 3-3-3 unlike the b77W is 3-4-3
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:47 pm

Ishrion wrote:
chepos wrote:
Not the topic at hand, but why would anyone fly in a business class with a 2-4-2 configuration on such a long flight. That seems so outdated and not competitive.

Any who, why not keep SFO-HKG at 1 daily but with the 77W.


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I suppose United still sees sufficient demand for 2x daily on SFO-HKG. Hong Kong Airlines, which I believe announced the cut before protests began, will be exiting the route in October.


And British Airways Club World is extremely outdated as well. As a person who has flown on those clunky Club World seats they are also uncomfortable in my opinion.

However, not sure why BA Club World is even being brought up, since last time I checked BA are not flying between the US and HKG and at no point did I say BA has an excellent J product.



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Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:52 pm

Where are the planes coming from?
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:58 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Where are the planes coming from?


Just moving around the deck chairs.
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:02 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
Where are the planes coming from?


Just moving around the deck chairs.


They’re going to put the 77Ws somewhere else and they need to get two pre-CO 777s from somewhere. My question is where.
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:03 pm

No shock. Kirby termed HKG as “terrible” at last weeks Morgan Stanley conference.

raylee67 wrote:
After suspending ORD-HKG, UA is now also downgrading the remaining services to HKG

EWR-HKG is downgraded from 77W to 772 (with old configurations)
SFO-HKG maintains 2 daily but both flights are downgraded to 772 (with old configurations).

https://onemileatatime.com/united-downg ... g-flights/


:old:
The term is "downgauge". Gauge is a measure of size.

Also I would not read much into the default 772 configurations. With 29 of planned 51 772s complete with Polaris they can and do pop up across the system.
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:05 pm

chepos wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
chepos wrote:
Not the topic at hand, but why would anyone fly in a business class with a 2-4-2 configuration on such a long flight. That seems so outdated and not competitive.

Any who, why not keep SFO-HKG at 1 daily but with the 77W.


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British Airways says hello.

I suppose United still sees sufficient demand for 2x daily on SFO-HKG. Hong Kong Airlines, which I believe announced the cut before protests began, will be exiting the route in October.


And British Airways Club World is extremely outdated as well. As a person who has flown on those clunky Club World seats they are also uncomfortable in my opinion.

However, not sure why BA Club World is even being brought up, since last time I checked BA are not flying between the US and HKG and at no point did I say BA has an excellent J product.



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I'm specifically talking about the "why would anyone fly a 2-4-2 on such a long flight".

BA operates some flights that are longer than UA's HKG flights like LHR-SCL using a 2-4-2 in a 789.
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:11 pm

raylee67 wrote:
After suspending ORD-HKG, UA is now also downgrading the remaining services to HKG

EWR-HKG is downgraded from 77W to 772 (with old configurations)
SFO-HKG maintains 2 daily but both flights are downgraded to 772 (with old configurations). Originally, the SFO flights are planned to use 772 with new configurations.

The significance is that the business class is configured with 2-4-2 in the old 772s.

https://onemileatatime.com/united-downg ... g-flights/


The article is looking at a generic seat maps or the standard seatmap hold for 772s.

There is a strong possibility that EWR-HKG will be flown with the old diamond seats as Polaris/PE installation on the GE 77Es is not scheduled to wrap up until May 2020 and the GE 77E are convert at HKG.

However in the case of SFO-HKG that route will be on the PW 77Es and the last PW 77E goes into XMN for Polaris installation in mid - December of 2019.

Before ORD was canceled UA used the ORD route to move aircraft through to either HKG (GE 77Es) or ferry HKG - XMN (PW 77Es). With the last PW 77E going to XMN for Polaris in mid-December SFO-HKG should only see an old configuration for a small number flights.

For now as a result of ORD's cancelation and until the schedule change UA will ferry the 77Es to either HKG or XMN for Polaris/PE installation.
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:30 pm

Edited title for proper terminology.
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Re: UA downgrades SFO-HKG and EWR-HKG

Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:30 pm

LAXintl wrote:
No shock. Kirby termed HKG as “terrible” at last weeks Morgan Stanley conference.

raylee67 wrote:
After suspending ORD-HKG, UA is now also downgrading the remaining services to HKG

EWR-HKG is downgraded from 77W to 772 (with old configurations)
SFO-HKG maintains 2 daily but both flights are downgraded to 772 (with old configurations).

https://onemileatatime.com/united-downg ... g-flights/


:old:
The term is "downgauge". Gauge is a measure of size.

Also I would not read much into the default 772 configurations. With 29 of planned 51 772s complete with Polaris they can and do pop up across the system.[/quot


I've been a cabin crew member for 28 years. Not once have I ever heard a pilot, a gate agent, or a flight attendant use the term "downguage". Whenever a smaller plane is used it is, and always was, a downgrade of equipment! Honestly!
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:39 pm

Any ideas where the two 77W frames will go?
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:47 pm

EK216 wrote:
Any ideas where the two 77W frames will go?


Maybe DEL will be switched to the 77W and that 77E will move to HKG?
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:54 pm

What’s so old about Polaris Cabin? All three flights are scheduled with Polaris Business cabin, Premium Plus, Economy Plus, and Economy cabin! If this is “old” then please let us know what should be new?

The term “downguage” have been used for ages. I’ve been in the industry for 19yrs and I’ve already known it as such.
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:06 pm

Where is the guy from the Cathay thread that kept repeating “all is well in Hong Kong?

I think this is just the beginning if things continue down this path
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:09 pm

Makes sense if premium demand is hurting as well as over all HKG demand. Smart move by the carriers to reallocated premium capacity.
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:43 pm

raylee67 wrote:

The significance is that the business class is configured with 2-4-2 in the old 772s.
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All the 777s rotating through SFO have the new Polaris seats. There aren’t any international flights with 8 abreast seats from SFO.
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:51 pm

jersey777 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
No shock. Kirby termed HKG as “terrible” at last weeks Morgan Stanley conference.

raylee67 wrote:
After suspending ORD-HKG, UA is now also downgrading the remaining services to HKG

EWR-HKG is downgraded from 77W to 772 (with old configurations)
SFO-HKG maintains 2 daily but both flights are downgraded to 772 (with old configurations).

https://onemileatatime.com/united-downg ... g-flights/


:old:
The term is "downgauge". Gauge is a measure of size.

Also I would not read much into the default 772 configurations. With 29 of planned 51 772s complete with Polaris they can and do pop up across the system.[/quot


I've been a cabin crew member for 28 years. Not once have I ever heard a pilot, a gate agent, or a flight attendant use the term "downguage". Whenever a smaller plane is used it is, and always was, a downgrade of equipment! Honestly!


The terms up/downgauge is used frequently at the airline I work when talking about changes in capacity by using different aircraft types or simply the size of the aircraft.

The issue with using up/downgrade is the connotation that one aircraft is better/worse than another. A Polaris equipped 77E is not a downgrade from a Polaris equipped 77W, it is a downgauge. A downgrade would be Polaris to Economy.

Depending on what metric you’re looking at, a downgauge may actually be an upgrade and vis versa. For example, downgauging from a 78X to a 789 would be an upgrade in payload performance but a downgrade in capacity as the 789 has better payload performance at range.

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Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:55 pm

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raylee67 wrote:

The significance is that the business class is configured with 2-4-2 in the old 772s.
/


All the 777s rotating through SFO have the new Polaris seats. There aren’t any international flights with 8 abreast seats from SFO.


You are looking at the current summer schedule which you are correct. But for the upcoming winter schedule instead of ferrying empty 77Es from SFO to either HKG or XMN for Polaris/PE installation UA will use both SFO and EWR as gateways to move the aircraft to either HKG or HKG then ferry XMN (PW 77Es) for Polaris/PE. This strategy serves two purposes it adjusts capacity to better meet demand but it also saves money because UA will no longer be ferrying empty 77Es to either HKG or XMN from EWR or SFO for Polaris/PE installation which is what we will now do as a result of ORD being canceled until the schedule changes.
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:13 pm

Seems to me the bottom has fallen out of the HKG market. Tourism officials reported August arrivals were down 40%. Certainly scared off many that would have potentially been on these United flights.

I wonder if the planned 2nd SFO-HKG will even launch under these circumstances?

jersey777 wrote:

I've been a cabin crew member for 28 years. Not once have I ever heard a pilot, a gate agent, or a flight attendant use the term "downguage". Whenever a smaller plane is used it is, and always was, a downgrade of equipment! Honestly!


Even at cargo airlines, we term a shift of capacity size as up/downgauge. Up/downgrade would refer more to change in class of service for example -- you were downgraded to economy from business class.
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:10 pm

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Up/downgrade would refer more to change in class of service for example -- you were downgraded to economy from business class.


Yes, often times when an aircraft gets downgauged to a smaller one, some premium cabin customers may be involuntarily “downgraded” due to a smaller premium cabin size on the substitute aircraft.

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Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:16 pm

EK216 wrote:
Any ideas where the two 77W frames will go?


Newark (EWR) - Sao Paulo (GRU) replace the B77W service from EWR-HKG
Second daily flight San Francisco (SFO) - Frankfurt replace B77W service from SFO-HKG
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:20 pm

Might the B77W for EWR-HKG go to TLV? That route is currently 1 B77W and 1 B78X daily.
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:22 pm

I'm specifically talking about the "why would anyone fly a 2-4-2 on such a long flight".

BA operates some flights that are longer than UA's HKG flights like LHR-SCL using a 2-4-2 in a 789.


Just a minor correction, Club World is only 2-4-2 on 744, 77W, 772 and A380 main deck. On the A380 upper deck, 788 and 789 it is 2-3-2, 2-2 on the 744 upper deck, and 1-2/2-1 on the A321

https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb/information/seating/seat-maps/club-world-seatmap
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:32 pm

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
EK216 wrote:
Any ideas where the two 77W frames will go?


Newark (EWR) - Sao Paulo (GRU) replace the B77W service from EWR-HKG
Second daily flight San Francisco (SFO) - Frankfurt replace B77W service from SFO-HKG


Thanks! That makes sense.
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:14 pm

I'm pretty sure SFO-HKG going 2x 772 isn't new news. That was announced as soon as the 2nd frequency was announced.
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:54 pm

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Where is the guy from the Cathay thread that kept repeating “all is well in Hong Kong?

I think this is just the beginning if things continue down this path


You referring to me?

All I said in that some of the perceptions about HK are totally untrue. Are demand reduced? Yes. Is HK a ghost town? Far from it.

Now, long-term business mood is another question entirely. If large international corporation start pulling money out bc the govt had fully shown their ineptness during the whole protest movements, then one can start really panicking.

Side note - HK economy is hurt probably more by the trade war than the protest anyway. Look at its “rival” Singapore - totally stable but tell me how good those economic number look.

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Seems to me the bottom has fallen out of the HKG market. Tourism officials reported August arrivals were down 40%. Certainly scared off many that would have potentially been on these United flights.


And as I have said in other threads, most of those drops involved day trippers/parallel traders anyway. Long haul international demand drop is closer to 10-20%. Still not a small amount, but not as drastic.
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They should increase Singapore. HKG is in a mess that's going to be difficult to recover from
and as Cathay have nowhere else to go, they'll be pricing at anything to survive. I already know of a
few managed funds, and ppl from Mercedes Benz finance that have been moved to Singapore,
and mainland china is likely to run into serious foreign currency reserves if they keep on playing
this game. Couple that with the HKG independence movement, and its highly likely more of the
high yielding traffic will be bound for Singapore. As an economist, I'm watching this closely but even
wealthy mainland Chinese are finding all kind of creative ways to move their money out of there.
And Singapore is the one trusted destination for just about everybody.

So if you want to focus on the business market? Start some west cost flights with the 77W to SIN even if
its not non-stop. It should be able to do it from SFO just probably not with much cargo.
 
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Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:16 am

Is the HK protest the main factor driving this downgauge?
 
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Lufthansa wrote:
They should increase Singapore. HKG is in a mess that's going to be difficult to recover from
and as Cathay have nowhere else to go, they'll be pricing at anything to survive. I already know of a
few managed funds, and ppl from Mercedes Benz finance that have been moved to Singapore,
and mainland china is likely to run into serious foreign currency reserves if they keep on playing
this game. Couple that with the HKG independence movement, and its highly likely more of the
high yielding traffic will be bound for Singapore. As an economist, I'm watching this closely but even
wealthy mainland Chinese are finding all kind of creative ways to move their money out of there.
And Singapore is the one trusted destination for just about everybody.

So if you want to focus on the business market? Start some west cost flights with the 77W to SIN even if
its not non-stop. It should be able to do it from SFO just probably not with much cargo.


UA already flies SFO-SIN twice daily.


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Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:34 am

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I'm pretty sure SFO-HKG going 2x 772 isn't new news. That was announced as soon as the 2nd frequency was announced.


You are quite correct in your recollection of facts, sir. :)
 
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Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:45 am

Can a 77W fly nonstop from SFO or LAX to Singapore? Or would they need to block seats or land on fumes?
I just assumed a 77W doesn’t have the range, because I would have thought that UA would have done it already. While Polaris is still inferior to Singapore, it’s not nearly as inferior as the Diamond seat. While flying Singapore is always a treat, I would be just fine in a Polaris seat, especially an odd number window that is forward facing.
Plus the UA 77W Polaris cabin has the original full design treatment and atmosphere, and the “snack tunnel” too.
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Seems to me the bottom has fallen out of the HKG market. Tourism officials reported August arrivals were down 40%. Certainly scared off many that would have potentially been on these United flights.


HKG passenger counts were off 12.5% year over year in August.

https://www.cad.gov.hk/english/statistics.html
 
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I've been a cabin crew member for 28 years. Not once have I ever heard a pilot, a gate agent, or a flight attendant use the term "downguage". Whenever a smaller plane is used it is, and always was, a downgrade of equipment! Honestly!



In Homer Simpson Voice: It's pronounced nuk-u-ler. nuk-u-ler...

Seriously though, you're right. I've never seen any paper work at any of the airlines I've worked for that supports gauge as an official, or even colloquial terminology.

I do hear people say it from time to time, but almost never from anyone knowledgeable. Just one of those things people say to try to sound smart, I would guess.



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They should increase Singapore. HKG is in a mess that's going to be difficult to recover from
and as Cathay have nowhere else to go, they'll be pricing at anything to survive. I already know of a
few managed funds, and ppl from Mercedes Benz finance that have been moved to Singapore,
and mainland china is likely to run into serious foreign currency reserves if they keep on playing
this game. Couple that with the HKG independence movement, and its highly likely more of the
high yielding traffic will be bound for Singapore. As an economist, I'm watching this closely but even
wealthy mainland Chinese are finding all kind of creative ways to move their money out of there.
And Singapore is the one trusted destination for just about everybody.

So if you want to focus on the business market? Start some west cost flights with the 77W to SIN even if
its not non-stop. It should be able to do it from SFO just probably not with much cargo.


I don't think that's enough. It's worth noting that SQ & UA already do operate that run, and from more than a few stations between them. Adding frequencies to capture what probably amounts to less than a dozen extra PDEW (system wide) seems like a very expensive way to handle that. More so when we consider the ULR nature of these routes, and the fact that they're staffed from expensive domiciles as it already is.

It would be cool, but I do not see that being a winner.
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Is the HK protest the main factor driving this downgauge?

I believe so.
 
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HKG passenger counts were off 12.5% year over year in August.


Airport numbers are deceiving. Totals include Transit clients.

CX stated last week " The airline said inbound traffic to Hong Kong in August had fallen by 38% compared with the previous year, and it did not anticipate September would be any less difficult."

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1431097&p=21655163&hilit=cathay#p21655163

CX was able to offset the decline in local traffic by selling more connection itineraries giving it a net decline of only 7 percent, something UA is unable to really do on HKG end.
 
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Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:43 am

chepos wrote:
And British Airways Club World is extremely outdated as well. As a person who has flown on those clunky Club World seats they are also uncomfortable in my opinion. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Are you talking about the Club Suites, or NGCW (which I agree are very old; how can such an innovator like BA sit on its laurels for 13 years)?
 
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Re: UA downgauges SFO-HKG and EWR-HKG

Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:53 am

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
EK216 wrote:
Any ideas where the two 77W frames will go?


Newark (EWR) - Sao Paulo (GRU) replace the B77W service from EWR-HKG
Second daily flight San Francisco (SFO) - Frankfurt replace B77W service from SFO-HKG


Any dates for starting GRU services with the 77W?
 
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Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:10 am

ojjunior wrote:
Any dates for starting GRU services with the 77W?


December 3. Its already loaded in GDS.
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Re: UA downgrades SFO-HKG and EWR-HKG

Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:32 am

DarkSnowyNight wrote:
jersey777 wrote:


I've been a cabin crew member for 28 years. Not once have I ever heard a pilot, a gate agent, or a flight attendant use the term "downguage". Whenever a smaller plane is used it is, and always was, a downgrade of equipment! Honestly!



In Homer Simpson Voice: It's pronounced nuk-u-ler. nuk-u-ler...

Seriously though, you're right. I've never seen any paper work at any of the airlines I've worked for that supports gauge as an official, or even colloquial terminology.

I do hear people say it from time to time, but almost never from anyone knowledgeable. Just one of those things people say to try to sound smart, I would guess.



Here's a simple way to put it: those who are in the position to actually adjust/schedule aircraft type to service would be the ones to use "up/down-gauge". Neither a pilot, a gate agent, nor a flight attendant can make the call to change equipment type, thus, such correct vernacular wouldn't be on their radar (unless the individual chose to be accurate). Up/down-grade refer to class of service. Up/down-gauge refer to equipment size used. Simple as that.
 
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Re: UA downgauges SFO-HKG and EWR-HKG

Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:11 am

I have booked (back in April) to fly from EWR - HKG in Dec, and noticed they have the seat selection map already in 3-3-3. Are the seats in the old config wider than the new layout? By how much? As I recently flew EWR - SFO on the 772 with the 3-4-3 config, to me the seats aren't that wide.
 
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Re: UA downgrades SFO-HKG and EWR-HKG

Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:26 am

DarkSnowyNight wrote:
jersey777 wrote:


I've been a cabin crew member for 28 years. Not once have I ever heard a pilot, a gate agent, or a flight attendant use the term "downguage". Whenever a smaller plane is used it is, and always was, a downgrade of equipment! Honestly!



In Homer Simpson Voice: It's pronounced nuk-u-ler. nuk-u-ler...

Seriously though, you're right. I've never seen any paper work at any of the airlines I've worked for that supports gauge as an official, or even colloquial terminology.

I do hear people say it from time to time, but almost never from anyone knowledgeable. Just one of those things people say to try to sound smart, I would guess.




I’ve literally heard the term in a one-on-one meeting the former VP of Network Planning, and also from a friend who used to be Managing Director of long term international network planning. It’s just not a term you’ll hear on the front line.
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Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:54 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
Where are the planes coming from?


Just moving around the deck chairs.


They’re going to put the 77Ws somewhere else and they need to get two pre-CO 777s from somewhere. My question is where.


They cancelled ORD-HKG, which was on two PmCO aircraft.
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Re: UA downgauges SFO-HKG and EWR-HKG

Sun Sep 15, 2019 4:29 am

I just feel sorry for anyone having to fly United.

Same for CX in Y.... Jammed in and always bloody hot.
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Re: UA downgrades SFO-HKG and EWR-HKG

Sun Sep 15, 2019 5:46 am

Amwest2United wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:

Just moving around the deck chairs.


They’re going to put the 77Ws somewhere else and they need to get two pre-CO 777s from somewhere. My question is where.


They cancelled ORD-HKG, which was on two PmCO aircraft.


No it was not.
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Re: UA downgauges SFO-HKG and EWR-HKG

Sun Sep 15, 2019 6:19 am

I, too, believe this has more to do with the trade war than with the protests. Yes, tourism is down, but HK is a businessman's town and the trade war has taken it's toll on both cargo and pax. I just came back from two weeks in the U.S. visiting freight forwarders and all are pessimistic about the U.S. economy and trade with China.
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