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Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:13 pm

Seems on Friday, 13th, outside of the production hours, in Mobile FAL the fire suppression system was set on in one of the production support hangars of the company and two jets in production have been covered by fire suppression foam. One of these was the first A220-300 in production. As it is not closed, the foam got inside, avionic is already partly installed.
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:18 pm

The A220 deliveries can’t catch a break, very unfortunate however I don’t think it will cause a tremendous delay. Having said that this program can’t afford any delays...
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:36 pm

It seems like an accident that could have happened anywhere - in fact it did happen at the hangar in Maine where the Lufthansa Starliner was being restored. Hopefully it's not a bad omen as we know how that project turned out.
 
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:45 pm

Any A320's nearby, maybe just maybe the old gal looked over at the new kid on the block and said.......
 
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:30 am

Sounds like this aircraft is also the 1st A220-300 for DL. Am I interpreting that correctly?

If so, I cannot imagine DL being willing to accept an aircraft which has had fire retardant foam penetrating into and covering portions of the fuselage. Might be better to simply wait for the next frame and let Airbus and their insurer take the hit?
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:01 am

DL747400 wrote:
Sounds like this aircraft is also the 1st A220-300 for DL. Am I interpreting that correctly?

If so, I cannot imagine DL being willing to accept an aircraft which has had fire retardant foam penetrating into and covering portions of the fuselage. Might be better to simply wait for the next frame and let Airbus and their insurer take the hit?


You might be right but I guess that all involved would want to see the extent of the damage first and whether it is repairable.

Apart from this, all I would say is that this is a Bad Omen - Friday 13th (although not August), the very first Frame...

Must say, though, i am not that supersticious (I would - and have done - fly on row 13th, for example) but I wonder what those that are will say...
 
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:15 am

First of all the affected aircraft will be inspected. According to FlightGlobal Airbus is in touch with the affected customers to keep them informed.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... le-460887/
 
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:19 am

Sabotage?
 
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:19 pm

VV wrote:
Sabotage?


That was honestly the very first thing that crossed my mind.
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:43 pm

popular kind of sabotage?
LH had the same "issue" with their StarLiner restauration.
Foamed.
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:56 pm

VV wrote:
Sabotage?


How many people in Alabama have you seen wearing sabots?
 
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:06 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
VV wrote:
Sabotage?


How many people in Alabama have you seen wearing sabots?


sabot ~= under caliber, right? :-)
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:29 pm

This also happened to a Jetstar A320 a few years ago in Newcastle. I think they repaired it though. But the engines I believe were ruined. Very costly.
 
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:51 pm

DL747400 wrote:
VV wrote:
Sabotage?


That was honestly the very first thing that crossed my mind.


Are the the production workers at Airbus FAL Mobile, AL members of a machinists union?
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:55 pm

a36001 wrote:
This also happened to a Jetstar A320 a few years ago in Newcastle. I think they repaired it though. But the engines I believe were ruined. Very costly.


Shouldn’t be any engines ute on the A220s in Mobile FAL

Anyway: How damaging is the foam here?
 
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:18 pm

Wasn't there a United 777 at Dulles that was supposed to get a water cannon salute and instead got hit with the fire retardant foam instead - costing it both engines?
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:38 pm

I think the issue here isn't how damaging (or not) the foam is ... it's the fact that it's apparently all over the inside of the airplane (or partial airplane) ...

These other incidents, the outside of the plane got coated ... in this one, it's all over all the innards, contaminating everything ...
 
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:04 pm

WIederling wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
VV wrote:
Sabotage?


How many people in Alabama have you seen wearing sabots?


sabot ~= under caliber, right? :-)


And here is William Shatner on how to correctly pronounce the word. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znz44MPJcFs
 
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:10 pm

DL747400 wrote:
Sounds like this aircraft is also the 1st A220-300 for DL. Am I interpreting that correctly?

If so, I cannot imagine DL being willing to accept an aircraft which has had fire retardant foam penetrating into and covering portions of the fuselage. Might be better to simply wait for the next frame and let Airbus and their insurer take the hit?

We ordered the 220-300? News to me as I thought it was just -100 so far. Did I miss an internal memo?
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:26 pm

jetjack74 wrote:
We ordered the 220-300? News to me as I thought it was just -100 so far. Did I miss an internal memo?


Yep, it appears you did.

From DL New Hub posted Jan. 9, 2019 9:15 am second paragraph...:

https://news.delta.com/delta-extends-ai ... l-aircraft

"Delta anticipates taking its first delivery of the A220-300 in 2020."
 
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:41 pm

tjwgrr wrote:
DL747400 wrote:
VV wrote:
Sabotage?


That was honestly the very first thing that crossed my mind.


Are the the production workers at Airbus FAL Mobile, AL members of a machinists union?


I may be wrong but I don't believe they are. Most of the southern states have laws to severely discourage union participation.
 
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:01 pm

DaProf wrote:
tjwgrr wrote:
DL747400 wrote:

That was honestly the very first thing that crossed my mind.


Are the the production workers at Airbus FAL Mobile, AL members of a machinists union?


I may be wrong but I don't believe they are. Most of the southern states have laws to severely discourage union participation.

As in right to work-you cannot be forced to join the union.
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:22 pm

DL747400 wrote:
I cannot imagine DL being willing to accept an aircraft which has had fire retardant foam penetrating into and covering portions of the fuselage. Might be better to simply wait for the next frame and let Airbus and their insurer take the hit?

Why not ?
DL is just flying back that badly damaged 757ER from the Acores to repair it. One of the few around, too valuable.
Compared to that, fire retardant foam is a piece of cake.
 
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:41 pm

Uhh...What's the point of suppressing a fire if the suppressant destroys everything anyway?
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:47 pm

KFLLCFII wrote:
Uhh...What's the point of suppressing a fire if the suppressant destroys everything anyway?


To save human lives.
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:48 pm

KFLLCFII wrote:
Uhh...What's the point of suppressing a fire if the suppressant destroys everything anyway?


Because it's far cheaper to replace the contents inside a building and protect human lives than replacing building itself and human costs associated with injuries + litigation.
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:49 pm

KFLLCFII wrote:
Uhh...What's the point of suppressing a fire if the suppressant destroys everything anyway?



Seriously?

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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:30 am

DaProf wrote:
Most of the southern states have laws to severely discourage union participation.


IMU these laws disallow forced union membership as prerequisite to be "allowed" to work.
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:50 am

SQ22 wrote:
First of all the affected aircraft will be inspected. According to FlightGlobal Airbus is in touch with the affected customers to keep them informed.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... le-460887/


Thank you for providing a reliable link with information and a quote from Airbus.
 
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Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:27 pm

Piedmont767LGW wrote:
jetjack74 wrote:
We ordered the 220-300? News to me as I thought it was just -100 so far. Did I miss an internal memo?


Yep, it appears you did.

From DL New Hub posted Jan. 9, 2019 9:15 am second paragraph...:

https://news.delta.com/delta-extends-ai ... l-aircraft

"Delta anticipates taking its first delivery of the A220-300 in 2020."

Wow. Well, it really doesn't come as a shock to me as Delta does not keep the IFS very well informed on these things. If I really want to keep up with fleet news, I have to come here or go over to the flight ops or tech ops page on the company portal to see these things. But thank you for the update
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:32 pm

Is this an indication that DL declined to accept the frame which was penetrated by foam?

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... on-in-s20/
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:46 pm

DL747400 wrote:
Is this an indication that DL declined to accept the frame which was penetrated by foam?

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... on-in-s20/


It has only been 2 weeks. Considering the damage, it would probably take months to fix it. It was going to have implications for Delta regardless of what they decide. So really, this is not a clear indication that they did one or the other.
 
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Re: Incident at the Airbus FAL in Mobile, first A220 in production has been damaged by fire retardant foam

Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:47 pm

DL747400 wrote:
Is this an indication that DL declined to accept the frame which was penetrated by foam?

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... on-in-s20/

No, those routes were to be flown with the A220-100, and the -300 wasn't due until later in the year.

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