PlaneMad134
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World routes 2020- route development thread

Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:14 pm

So with world routes 2020 starting tommorow, it will be interesting to see what happens in terms of new routes.
 
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Re: World routes 2020- route development thread

Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:18 pm

What routes were announced in the previous World Routes event?
 
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Re: World routes 2020- route development thread

Fri Sep 20, 2019 10:29 pm

PlaneMad134 wrote:
So with world routes 2020 starting tommorow, it will be interesting to see what happens in terms of new routes.

Often the announcements only involve the host. ADL is the host.
 
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Re: World routes 2020- route development thread

Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:48 pm

Aren’t we jumping ahead here.
It’s World Routes 2019 that starts in Adelaide today.
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Re: World routes 2020- route development thread

Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:52 pm

enilria wrote:
PlaneMad134 wrote:
So with world routes 2020 starting tommorow, it will be interesting to see what happens in terms of new routes.

Often the announcements only involve the host. ADL is the host.


Can’t wait for AA/QF to announce ADL-LAX :spin:
 
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Re: World routes 2020- route development thread

Fri Sep 20, 2019 11:54 pm

Ishrion wrote:
enilria wrote:
PlaneMad134 wrote:
So with world routes 2020 starting tommorow, it will be interesting to see what happens in terms of new routes.

Often the announcements only involve the host. ADL is the host.


Can’t wait for AA/QF to announce ADL-LAX :spin:


Probably ADL-HNL first honestly. LAX is too damn expensive to land at for little old Adelaide. Maybe Seattle or Denver?
 
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Re: World routes 2020- route development thread

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:34 am

patrickjp93 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
enilria wrote:
Often the announcements only involve the host. ADL is the host.


Can’t wait for AA/QF to announce ADL-LAX :spin:


Probably ADL-HNL first honestly. LAX is too damn expensive to land at for little old Adelaide. Maybe Seattle or Denver?


I'm gonna presume this is a joke. ADL-SEA/DEN would never happen, certainly not before ADL-LAX. ADL-HNL is also very very unlikely... as is ADL-LAX for that matter!
 
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Re: World routes 2020- route development thread

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:42 am

Qantas16 wrote:
patrickjp93 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

Can’t wait for AA/QF to announce ADL-LAX :spin:


Probably ADL-HNL first honestly. LAX is too damn expensive to land at for little old Adelaide. Maybe Seattle or Denver?


I'm gonna presume this is a joke. ADL-SEA/DEN would never happen, certainly not before ADL-LAX. ADL-HNL is also very very unlikely... as is ADL-LAX for that matter!


I don’t think we’ll see anything further out of ADL until QF/JQ receive some 321LRs.

Do major carriers announce big announcements at these events? Be nice to hear of MEL-LAX or AKL-DFW on AA. Be nice to hear of TK eventually starting MEL/SYD.

Unusually city to host such event, not overly globally connected in itself.
 
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Re: World routes 2020- route development thread

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:47 am

Ishrion wrote:
enilria wrote:
PlaneMad134 wrote:
So with world routes 2020 starting tommorow, it will be interesting to see what happens in terms of new routes.

Often the announcements only involve the host. ADL is the host.


Can’t wait for AA/QF to announce ADL-LAX :spin:

We all know it will be ADL-DTW!
When wasn't America great?


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Re: World routes 2020- route development thread

Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:56 am

Ishrion wrote:
enilria wrote:
PlaneMad134 wrote:
So with world routes 2020 starting tommorow, it will be interesting to see what happens in terms of new routes.

Often the announcements only involve the host. ADL is the host.


Can’t wait for AA/QF to announce ADL-LAX :spin:



Why? That would be downright horrible. What is it with these ultra long range flights and everyone thinking they’re great? They suck!
SYD/MEL - LAX is horrible enough. Now that you often end up in a little 787. - Boeing’s worst effort.
I usually go via AKL then to LAX. And even that is horrible enough. ok, only an hour or so less but makes a difference as does the stop.

Bring back the island hopping routes. MEL/SYD - AKL - NAN - HNL - LAX.

Stretch legs, have real food. Breathe real air. Drink real water. More stops - fresher. 14-18 hours in stale air and stinky people and toilets?

Yeah no thanks.
 
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Re: World routes 2020- route development thread

Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:34 am

Ruddman wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
enilria wrote:
Often the announcements only involve the host. ADL is the host.


Can’t wait for AA/QF to announce ADL-LAX :spin:



Why? That would be downright horrible. What is it with these ultra long range flights and everyone thinking they’re great? They suck!
SYD/MEL - LAX is horrible enough. Now that you often end up in a little 787. - Boeing’s worst effort.
I usually go via AKL then to LAX. And even that is horrible enough. ok, only an hour or so less but makes a difference as does the stop.

Bring back the island hopping routes. MEL/SYD - AKL - NAN - HNL - LAX.

Stretch legs, have real food. Breathe real air. Drink real water. More stops - fresher. 14-18 hours in stale air and stinky people and toilets?

Yeah no thanks.


If it wasn't obvious, my comment was a joke, hence the :spin:

I truthfully don't see ADL-LAX materializing... yet. Adelaide's the... fifth largest city in Australia? If AA/QF ever gets to it given their new JV, I could see it happening over PER-LAX due to range.

What is it with these ultra long range flights and everyone thinking they’re great? They suck!


I'm sure you've heard of Project Sunrise, correct? The 20+ hour SYD-LHR/JFK flight that is being worked on?

I'm sorry to say, but you're going to need to embrace the fact that newer aircraft with longer range are being developed. So be ready to get stuck in a 3-3-3 Economy Class in a 787, or a 3-3 in an A321XLR across the Atlantic.

There's an obvious reason why island hopping services like the ones you've mentioned no longer exist.
 
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Re: World routes 2020- route development thread

Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:57 am

Obvious? Money and big bonuses for upper management? Just the usual.

Of course, the island hopping is alive and well, just with seperate tickets. A layover in Fiji and Honolulu never hurt anyone. :)
 
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Re: World routes 2020- route development thread

Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:38 am

Ishrion wrote:
Can’t wait for AA/QF to announce ADL-LAX :spin:


Oh, look at that.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... n-target-/

“We can easily justify three to four weekly flights to the US. Los Angeles and San Francisco are key targets for us,”


Who didn't see that coming. :scratchchin:
 
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Re: World routes 2020- route development thread

Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:33 pm

Just a few hours until the start of world routes 2019.
 
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Re: World routes 2020- route development thread

Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:53 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Can’t wait for AA/QF to announce ADL-LAX :spin:


Oh, look at that.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... n-target-/

“We can easily justify three to four weekly flights to the US. Los Angeles and San Francisco are key targets for us,”


Who didn't see that coming. :scratchchin:


Sometimes I really question the data that is used to try and sell a dream to airlines to fly certain routes. An unstimulated market of 165,000 pax per year for ADL-North America still seems quite high, and that’s before discussing the potential yields.

Given the amount of services from SYD/MEL/BNE, which are all significantly larger markets in their own right, there is likely to be a less than strong appetite for carriers to open up such a long, thin route like this one that overflies those hubs.
 
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Re: World routes 2020- route development thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:13 am

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... top-route/

An agreement designed to bring a non-stop route between the Australian city of Darwin and Haikou, the capital of China's island province Hainan, has been signed during a special event at World Routes.
 
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Re: World routes 2020- route development thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:19 am

Ruddman wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

Why? That would be downright horrible. What is it with these ultra long range flights and everyone thinking they’re great? They suck!
SYD/MEL - LAX is horrible enough. Now that you often end up in a little 787. - Boeing’s worst effort.
I usually go via AKL then to LAX. And even that is horrible enough. ok, only an hour or so less but makes a difference as does the stop.

Bring back the island hopping routes. MEL/SYD - AKL - NAN - HNL - LAX.

Stretch legs, have real food. Breathe real air. Drink real water. More stops - fresher. 14-18 hours in stale air and stinky people and toilets?

Yeah no thanks.



Do you still take a horse to work too?
 
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Re: World routes 2020- route development thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:41 am

BlatantEcho wrote:
Ruddman wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

Why? That would be downright horrible. What is it with these ultra long range flights and everyone thinking they’re great? They suck!
SYD/MEL - LAX is horrible enough. Now that you often end up in a little 787. - Boeing’s worst effort.
I usually go via AKL then to LAX. And even that is horrible enough. ok, only an hour or so less but makes a difference as does the stop.

Bring back the island hopping routes. MEL/SYD - AKL - NAN - HNL - LAX.

Stretch legs, have real food. Breathe real air. Drink real water. More stops - fresher. 14-18 hours in stale air and stinky people and toilets?

Yeah no thanks.



Do you still take a horse to work too?


Misquoted, lol.

Ruddman wrote:
Obvious? Money and big bonuses for upper management? Just the usual.

Of course, the island hopping is alive and well, just with seperate tickets. A layover in Fiji and Honolulu never hurt anyone. :)


I wouldn't say money specifically for the upper management is the primary goal.

The obvious reason is there's no need for fuel stops like island hoppers when you can fly point to point in one flight. This saves any unnecessary parking/landing/takeoff/ground crew costs.
 
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Re: World routes 2020- route development thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:55 pm

Forgive me for being Naive, but I’ve been in this business a good while and have no idea what World Routes is. Context?

Does anything happen at these forums or is it just cities hyping themselves for future service?
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Re: World routes 2020- route development thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:17 pm

Moosefire wrote:
Forgive me for being Naive, but I’ve been in this business a good while and have no idea what World Routes is. Context?

Does anything happen at these forums or is it just cities hyping themselves for future service?


Just a chance to sell their dream to airlines really.

Announcements may be made at times, but in many cases any discussions will just be the start of a further process of engagement.

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