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AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:33 am
by TMccrury
According to this TMZ article, and American flight from PHX to MSP made an emergency landing in DEN after a passenger became unruly and smoked weed. According to the report, he was not arrested.

https://www.tmz.com/2019/09/21/american ... okes-weed/

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:12 am
by Chasensfo
Regardless of the legality of weed in a given State, I'd imagine breaking federal regulations on an aircraft would always be grounds for arrest if the event lead to a diversion.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:04 am
by stl07
Pretty ironic that they diverted to DEN

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:19 am
by Yeastbeast
Gotta buy the edibles.... ;)

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:21 am
by lavalampluva
stl07 wrote:
Pretty ironic that they diverted to DEN

He seems pretty worked up for a stoner :lol:

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:36 am
by Ziyulu
I wonder if he started to smoke while the plane is in Colorado air space, thinking it would be legal.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:38 am
by alfa164
Ziyulu wrote:
I wonder if he started to smoke while the plane is in Colorado air space, thinking it would be legal.

From the looks of it, he didn't know - or care - where he was.

;)

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:45 am
by Q
Dumb divert flight costs $$$$$$ and wasting time.

Q

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:26 am
by vanguard737
Q wrote:
Dumb divert flight costs $$$$$$ and wasting time.

Q


So the crew should have just let the guy smoke weed in the lavatory/cabin...and ignore their duty to maintain order onboard the aircraft and follow the applicable FARs?

Okay...

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:36 am
by Pudelhund
TMccrury wrote:
According to this TMZ article, and American flight from PHX to MSP made an emergency landing in DEN after a passenger became unruly and smoked weed. According to the report, he was not arrested.

https://www.tmz.com/2019/09/21/american ... okes-weed/


... why was he not arrested?

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:17 am
by acentauri
Even though he was not arrested (if that is the case), he still could be sued for damages and/or placed on AA's "no fly list". Maybe AA should've offered him a free UA flight home, since he ultimately wound up at their Hub. :bouncy: :bouncy:

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:48 am
by MIflyer12
acentauri wrote:
Even though he was not arrested (if that is the case), he still could be sued for damages and/or placed on AA's "no fly list".


What damages? The pilot chose to divert. You can't argue the passenger was a safety hazard to himself or others.

U.S. carriers are common carriers. Part of the outgrowth of $Billions in public funding for runways, terminals, and ATC, carriers have to take everyone who shows up with a valid ticket unless they are a hazard to themselves (drunk, stoned), a hazard to others (belligerent, carrying an infectious disease), a hygiene disaster or improperly clothed.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:17 am
by pilotkev1
The flight diverted because a passenger physically struck another passenger. The threat level prompted a lockdown of the flight deck and immediate diversion.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:29 am
by TheOldDude
Was he fined? Or did he walk away free of federal penalties?

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:32 am
by exFWAOONW
MIflyer12 wrote:
acentauri wrote:
Even though he was not arrested (if that is the case), he still could be sued for damages and/or placed on AA's "no fly list".


What damages? The pilot chose to divert. You can't argue the passenger was a safety hazard to himself or others.

U.S. carriers are common carriers. Part of the outgrowth of $Billions in public funding for runways, terminals, and ATC, carriers have to take everyone who shows up with a valid ticket unless they are a hazard to themselves (drunk, stoned), a hazard to others (belligerent, carrying an infectious disease), a hygiene disaster or improperly clothed.

Am I understanding you are saying he wasn’t a safety hazard? He disobeyed the no smoking instructions, most likely did not follow crew instructions to put it out, struck another passenger, how is he not a hazard? Did he tamper with the lav smoke detector or light up in his seat?

As far as damages, there are the extra landing fees, possibly crew overtime pay, extra fuel, delay to the flight scheduled to use whatever gate this flight occupied, and some other costs I can’t think of right now.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:02 pm
by EvanWSFO
Whilst I personally don't see anything wrong with smoking pot, this was a pretty dumb thing to do. Unless he is going to argue the rules do not specifically state the smoking of marijuana. We may have to see the phrase "no smoking of any substance" onboard, including vaping. It was the correct thing to do in diverting. I won't be shocked if there's a lawsuit from a pax for an unintended contact high.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:11 pm
by rajincajun01
Ziyulu wrote:
I wonder if he started to smoke while the plane is in Colorado air space, thinking it would be legal.

That is not even close to how it works. Federal laws apply inflight and at public airports, including DEN. It is absolutely illegal to possess weed at DEN despite state law.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:47 pm
by Ziyulu
rajincajun01 wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
I wonder if he started to smoke while the plane is in Colorado air space, thinking it would be legal.

That is not even close to how it works. Federal laws apply inflight and at public airports, including DEN. It is absolutely illegal to possess weed at DEN despite state law.


I know the law, but this passenger probably didn't. Think about it, if you're smoking weed on the plane, you're not the brightest.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:47 pm
by uconn99
rajincajun01 wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
I wonder if he started to smoke while the plane is in Colorado air space, thinking it would be legal.

That is not even close to how it works. Federal laws apply inflight and at public airports, including DEN. It is absolutely illegal to possess weed at DEN despite state law.


If you are at DEN airport with a personal amount of weed and get caught by TSA which is highly unlikely, you would simply be asked by Denver Police to throw the weed out or bring it home. What federal law applies to DEN airport regarding weed?

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:55 pm
by Konabuzz1967
rajincajun01 wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
I wonder if he started to smoke while the plane is in Colorado air space, thinking it would be legal.

That is not even close to how it works. Federal laws apply inflight and at public airports, including DEN. It is absolutely illegal to possess weed at DEN despite state law.


That is not even close to how it works. While it is illegal to posses weed at DEN, it IS a matter of state law, not federal law. https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/investigations/your-weed-is-still-not-welcome-at-dia-even-as-other-airports-allow-it

At LAX, it is legal to posses weed. https://www.flylax.com/en/lax-marijuana-policy is a perfect example. Suppose TSA catches you with weed at LAX. TSA turns you over to the local cops who then.....do nothing as long as you aren't carrying more than the legal amount and are of age. Trafficking (over limit) is illegal.

From an LA Times article - “Although federally it’s still illegal and they would be in violation of federal laws, we as airport police cannot enforce federal laws,” Pedregon said. “As long as it’s a usable, personal quantity under an ounce, they’re free to go.”

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:55 pm
by tootallsd
For the most part, the issue of marijuana or an extract is irrelevant. This passenger should have been treated the same as any other passenger that:

1. Smoked in an aircraft,
2. Failed to follow crew instruction when told to desist in their activity,
3. Became violent committing battery.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:04 pm
by Miamiairport
Pudelhund wrote:
TMccrury wrote:
According to this TMZ article, and American flight from PHX to MSP made an emergency landing in DEN after a passenger became unruly and smoked weed. According to the report, he was not arrested.

https://www.tmz.com/2019/09/21/american ... okes-weed/


... why was he not arrested?


Exactly, this moron threatened the lives of everyone on that plane not to mention he hit another pax. He should be in jail right now waiting for a bond hearing that hopefully he can't afford.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:07 pm
by DL717
MIflyer12 wrote:
acentauri wrote:
Even though he was not arrested (if that is the case), he still could be sued for damages and/or placed on AA's "no fly list".


What damages? The pilot chose to divert. You can't argue the passenger was a safety hazard to himself or others.

U.S. carriers are common carriers. Part of the outgrowth of $Billions in public funding for runways, terminals, and ATC, carriers have to take everyone who shows up with a valid ticket unless they are a hazard to themselves (drunk, stoned), a hazard to others (belligerent, carrying an infectious disease), a hygiene disaster or improperly clothed.


Yeah, you might want to read up on how airports are funded (well, aviation in general). Once that’s done, you might want to read the fine print in that contract of carriage you have with that privately owned airline you’re flying on. Flying isn’t a transit system.

Here’s a good spot for you to start:

https://airportscouncil.org/advocacy/ai ... e-funding/

https://www.faa.gov/airports/resources/ ... 190_6b.pdf

By the way, the “grant money” comes from the industry itself spread out between the airports for specific projects, what federal monies are made available feeds the bureaucracy in DC.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:16 pm
by rajincajun01
uconn99 wrote:
rajincajun01 wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
I wonder if he started to smoke while the plane is in Colorado air space, thinking it would be legal.

That is not even close to how it works. Federal laws apply inflight and at public airports, including DEN. It is absolutely illegal to possess weed at DEN despite state law.


If you are at DEN airport with a personal amount of weed and get caught by TSA which is highly unlikely, you would simply be asked by Denver Police to throw the weed out or bring it home. What federal law applies to DEN airport regarding weed?

I never said anything about what law enforcement and TSA will act on. That’s their per case discretion. As someone who worked at DEN, I was frequently called about weed found in a passenger’s checked bag. They were sometimes cited, sometimes not.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:19 pm
by ferminbrif
Maybe the weed was for emotional support. So, nothing is going to happened….. :sarcastic: :airplane:

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:25 pm
by 910A
Best line in the entire story:
You hear one passenger say there were Raiders fans onboard so they could take care of the guy.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:36 pm
by lightsaber
MIflyer12 wrote:
acentauri wrote:
Even though he was not arrested (if that is the case), he still could be sued for damages and/or placed on AA's "no fly list".


What damages? The pilot chose to divert. You can't argue the passenger was a safety hazard to himself or others.

U.S. carriers are common carriers. Part of the outgrowth of $Billions in public funding for runways, terminals, and ATC, carriers have to take everyone who shows up with a valid ticket unless they are a hazard to themselves (drunk, stoned), a hazard to others (belligerent, carrying an infectious disease), a hygiene disaster or improperly clothed.

Fire onboard is a safety hazard.

Legally, the passenger, by illegally smoking on an aircraft, is liable for all diversion costs.

He also belongs on an AA no fly list.

As he threatened other passengers and crew they each have 364 days to press charges.

I've seen stoners trip violent. It is well documented with weed. Yes, most of the time mellow, but long term use if weed has bad side effects.

Lightsaber

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:53 pm
by PPVLC
...and then I got high...and then I got high...and then I got high...

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:57 pm
by PowerJet
The severity of the problem is much more pronounced in this case. Smoking on an aircraft usually wont cause it to divert. But now that weed is involved, the entire crew must get drug tested.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:17 pm
by ASFlyer
PowerJet wrote:
The severity of the problem is much more pronounced in this case. Smoking on an aircraft usually wont cause it to divert. But now that weed is involved, the entire crew must get drug tested.


This is not true

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:21 pm
by wjcandee
Just FWIW, if you read the TMZ article carefully, it appears that he acted weird, hit someone, locked himself in the bathroom, etc., and that's what caused the diversion, as a poster noted above. The joint coming out and being smoked happened once the aircraft was on the ground. (Still illegal, but not the cause of the diversion. Makes a better story if it did...)

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:21 pm
by wjcandee
PowerJet wrote:
The severity of the problem is much more pronounced in this case. Smoking on an aircraft usually wont cause it to divert. But now that weed is involved, the entire crew must get drug tested.


Surely you can't be serious.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:04 pm
by Weatherwatcher1
Pudelhund wrote:
TMccrury wrote:
According to this TMZ article, and American flight from PHX to MSP made an emergency landing in DEN after a passenger became unruly and smoked weed. According to the report, he was not arrested.

https://www.tmz.com/2019/09/21/american ... okes-weed/


... why was he not arrested?


He was hospitalized instead of arrested. We don’t know what chemicals were in his body, but detoxification from some drugs can be very serious or deadly.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:07 pm
by freakyrat
He was joining the Mile High Club literally.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:52 pm
by Super80Fan
Airfare is too cheap, this is proof.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:31 pm
by Pudelhund
Super80Fan wrote:
Airfare is too cheap, this is proof.


Can anyone here translate boomerese?

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:37 pm
by barefootchris
Pudelhund wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
Airfare is too cheap, this is proof.


Can anyone here translate boomerese?


Appears he's trying to make the classist argument that flying should be reserved for the "classy" (ie. those with "money" and "proper upbringing"). ;)

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:39 pm
by barefootchris
While I'm commenting, it seems to me that, despite the headline and attempted association, the diversion and incident really had more to do with an unruly passenger disobeying a flight crew, committing assault, and smoking (something) on board an aircraft. The weed part is really neither here nor there, essentially irrelevant.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:47 pm
by OmerMaz
Climb and maintain Flightlevel 4 2 0

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:55 pm
by Super80Fan
Pudelhund wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
Airfare is too cheap, this is proof.


Can anyone here translate boomerese?


I'm not a boomer, but possibly you are.

Airfare is too cheap in this country. This allows the "degenerates" to easily purchase tickets and continue doing their behavior at 30,000 feet.

Higher airfare allows a more restricted group of people to fly and as such, incidents such as these are few and far in between.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:51 pm
by barefootchris
Super80Fan wrote:
Pudelhund wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
Airfare is too cheap, this is proof.


Can anyone here translate boomerese?


I'm not a boomer, but possibly you are.

Airfare is too cheap in this country. This allows the "degenerates" to easily purchase tickets and continue doing their behavior at 30,000 feet.

Higher airfare allows a more restricted group of people to fly and as such, incidents such as these are few and far in between.


Are you really going to make that old argument again? I've only been lurking here 6 months, but I've already seen that specious argument pop up more than a few times and it usually quickly and rightfully shot down with some fine examples about how money and class really do not in any way preclude someone from being a shitty passenger any more than being a "poor" necessarily predisposes someone to bad behavior.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:17 am
by wjcandee
Super80Fan wrote:
Pudelhund wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
Airfare is too cheap, this is proof.


Can anyone here translate boomerese?


I'm not a boomer, but possibly you are.

Airfare is too cheap in this country. This allows the "degenerates" to easily purchase tickets and continue doing their behavior at 30,000 feet.

Higher airfare allows a more restricted group of people to fly and as such, incidents such as these are few and far in between.


It's an entirely different kind of flying altogether.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:21 am
by Super80Fan
wjcandee wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
Pudelhund wrote:

Can anyone here translate boomerese?


I'm not a boomer, but possibly you are.

Airfare is too cheap in this country. This allows the "degenerates" to easily purchase tickets and continue doing their behavior at 30,000 feet.

Higher airfare allows a more restricted group of people to fly and as such, incidents such as these are few and far in between.


It's an entirely different type of flying altogether.


It's an entirely different kind of flying.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:36 am
by wjcandee
Super80 -- there ya go!

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:17 am
by aemoreira1981
That's a new way of flying high, if you get my drift!

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:04 pm
by freakyrat
PowerJet wrote:
The severity of the problem is much more pronounced in this case. Smoking on an aircraft usually wont cause it to divert. But now that weed is involved, the entire crew must get drug tested.


There is nothing in the DOT drug testing regs that says the crew must be tested.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:19 pm
by WayexTDI
vanguard737 wrote:
Q wrote:
Dumb divert flight costs $$$$$$ and wasting time.

Q


So the crew should have just let the guy smoke weed in the lavatory/cabin...and ignore their duty to maintain order onboard the aircraft and follow the applicable FARs?

Okay...

Q never said that, and never questioned the crew's actions; he just mentioned the stoner was dumb.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 1:55 pm
by EvanWSFO
Super80Fan wrote:
Pudelhund wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
Airfare is too cheap, this is proof.


Can anyone here translate boomerese?


I'm not a boomer, but possibly you are.

Airfare is too cheap in this country. This allows the "degenerates" to easily purchase tickets and continue doing their behavior at 30,000 feet.

Higher airfare allows a more restricted group of people to fly and as such, incidents such as these are few and far in between.


This is probably the dumbest thing I've ever seen posted on a.net. That is saying a lot.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:31 pm
by flyingclrs727
If I were a pilot, I would want to pick a different state to offload the stoner. AA should sue him for the full cost of the diversion.

Re: AA Flight Diverts to DEN after Passenger Smokes weed

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:45 pm
by AAtakeMeAway
I suspect the root cause of his behavior was cocaine use.