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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:56 am

If White is lower cost...the AT76s are on their AOC, what about moving some Embraer operations to White?
 
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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:02 pm

TAP says it has reached agreements with all its unions, which will remain in effect until 31 December 2024. Reported pay cuts between 20-25 percent.

https://www.lechotouristique.com/articl ... -un-accord.
 
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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:28 pm

JFK suspended through September.
 
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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:11 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
JFK suspended through September.


Fascinating as RDC Aviation just released a list of of TPs 10 most profitable routes. I remember only that GRU was first but that the others included Madeira, BOS, GIG, Fortaleza, EWR and JFK within their top 10.
 
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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:46 pm

lesfalls wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
JFK suspended through September.


Fascinating as RDC Aviation just released a list of of TPs 10 most profitable routes. I remember only that GRU was first but that the others included Madeira, BOS, GIG, Fortaleza, EWR and JFK within their top 10.


Can you post that article please!
 
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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:21 am

Ryanair has now put many of these routes back on sale(45 in total) from late March as predicted.
So after all OPO isnt going to loose that many routes, as speculated by you.

SCQ83 wrote:
So so far those seems to be the cancelled routes in OPO since all this started. I count 44 (!) cancelled routes in OPO over the last few year. 25 cities (and 27 airports) that are no longer served by any other carrier. And 4 countries "lost" (Algeria, Angola, Denmark, UAE).

1. Algiers (AH) - Unserved
2. Amsterdam (TP)
3. Barcelona (TP)
4. Bremen (FR) - Unserved
5. Brive (FR) - Unserved
6. Brussels (TP)
7. Carcassonne (FR) - Unserved
8. Casablanca (AT) - Unserved
9. Clermont Ferrand (FR) - Unserved
10. Copenhagen (FR) - Unserved
11. Dortmund (FR)
12. Dubai (EK) - Unserved
13. Frankfurt (FR)
14. Genève (TP)
15. Gran Canaria (FR) - Unserved
16. Grenoble (FR) - Unserved
17. Hamburg (FR) - Unserved
18. Karlsruhe (FR) - Unserved
19. Katowice (W6) - Unserved
20. La Rochelle (FR) - Unserved
21. Lille (FR) - Unserved
22. London City (TP) - Unserved airport / served city
23. Luanda (DT) - Unserved
24. Lyon (TP)
25. Luxembourg (TP)
26. Madrid (TP)
27. Málaga (FR) - Unserved
28. Málaga (U2) - Unserved
29. Milan Malpensa (TP)
30. Munich (TP)
31. Naples (FR) - Unserved
32. Nürnberg (FR) - Unserved
33. Ponta Delgada (FR)
34. Ponta Delgada (TP)
35. São Paulo Viracopos (AD) - Unserved airport / served city
36. Strasbourg (FR) - Unserved
37. Stuttgart (U2) - Unserved
38. Stuttgart (FR) - Unserved
39. Terceira (FR)
40. Toulouse (FR)
41. Treviso/Venice (FR) - Unserved
42. Vienna (LV)
43. Wroclaw (W6) - Unserved
44. Zürich (TP)
 
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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:06 pm

lesfalls wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
JFK suspended through September.


Fascinating as RDC Aviation just released a list of of TPs 10 most profitable routes. I remember only that GRU was first but that the others included Madeira, BOS, GIG, Fortaleza, EWR and JFK within their top 10.

Americans are largely banned from entering Europe and Europeans from entering the U.S., and it's unlikely that that will change this Summer. With service from EWR, the JFK service becomes redundant.
 
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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Sun Feb 14, 2021 12:55 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
lesfalls wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
JFK suspended through September.


Fascinating as RDC Aviation just released a list of of TPs 10 most profitable routes. I remember only that GRU was first but that the others included Madeira, BOS, GIG, Fortaleza, EWR and JFK within their top 10.


Can you post that article please!


Here it is: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/activity ... 96064-rW3R

Jan 2019-Dec 2019

1. GRU
2. GIG
3. REC
4. FOR
5. EWR
6. FNC
7. CNF
8. JFK
9. BOS
10. SSA
11. NAT
12. BSB
 
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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:24 am

Strange that MAD is not in that list. Last year, before the COVID nightmare started, TAP had planned to begin a "Ponte Aereo" in April between LIS and MAD, with up to 8 flights per day. That's over a thousand daily seats. Granted, O&D fares between these two cities are smaller than overseas', but I'm sure many of those passengers would have connected to somewhere else at LIS.
That plan - that never materialised- would have made MAD TAP's largest station outside Portugal. Numbers must have been very good for them to have planned such scheme.
 
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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:09 pm

Portugal's TAP May Need More Aid Than Planned in 2021, Minister Says
https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/ar ... ister-says

Portugal may have to provide more than the 500 million euros ($606 million) it budgeted for ailing airline TAP this year due to the worsening COVID-19 pandemic, its finance minister said.

Asked how much more the Portuguese government expects to spend on TAP this year, Joao Leao told Sunday's Jornal de Negocios: "That is still being analysed".

"The situation of TAP is very demanding ... that amount may have to be reconsidered because at the moment the pandemic is having a much stronger impact than expected," Leao said.
 
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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:41 am

jmmadrid wrote:
Strange that MAD is not in that list. Last year, before the COVID nightmare started, TAP had planned to begin a "Ponte Aereo" in April between LIS and MAD, with up to 8 flights per day. That's over a thousand daily seats. Granted, O&D fares between these two cities are smaller than overseas', but I'm sure many of those passengers would have connected to somewhere else at LIS.
That plan - that never materialised- would have made MAD TAP's largest station outside Portugal. Numbers must have been very good for them to have planned such scheme.
It is normal... Fares between Madrid and Lisbon for sure aren't the highest...

Even if TAP would create the "Ponte Aérea" between LIS and MAD it would not be the biggest station outside Portugal.
It could get close to that if the Ponte Aérea between OPO and MAD would start as well, with the 6 daily ATR72 flights that were scheduled, but then canceled...


LIS-ORY was a busiest route than LIS-MAD. Before COVID, LIS-ORY had 7 to 8 daily flights, scheduled all with Airbus aircraft,and frequently some of those operated with A321, plus 3 OPO-ORY flights also with Airbus aircraft.

LIS-MAD had less seats available per day than LIS-ORY.

Cannot speak about LON, because they split operations between LHR and LGW from LIS, and flights to OPO were from LGW.

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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:03 pm

santos wrote:
Ryanair has now put many of these routes back on sale(45 in total) from late March as predicted.
So after all OPO isnt going to loose that many routes, as speculated by you.


True, some of them are back (while quite a few have been chopped).

In any case, that doesn't stop more carriers cancelling OPO. Air Canada is the last one to join and cancel OPO definitely.

So Air Canada joins Emirates, Azul, TAAG, Royal Air Maroc and Air Algerie as non-European carriers that have left the airport (and El Al - Sun d'Or - tried OPO and left a couple of years ago). The only remaining non-European carriers are Air Transat and United.

So the idea of creating a major long-haul airport to compete with LIS or attract passengers regionally seems to be fading away. Back to the basics and to fly VFR on FR or EZY to Paris, Geneva or Luxembourg.
 
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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:54 am

SCQ83 wrote:
santos wrote:
Ryanair has now put many of these routes back on sale(45 in total) from late March as predicted.
So after all OPO isnt going to loose that many routes, as speculated by you.


True, some of them are back (while quite a few have been chopped).

In any case, that doesn't stop more carriers cancelling OPO. Air Canada is the last one to join and cancel OPO definitely.

So Air Canada joins Emirates, Azul, TAAG, Royal Air Maroc and Air Algerie as non-European carriers that have left the airport (and El Al - Sun d'Or - tried OPO and left a couple of years ago). The only remaining non-European carriers are Air Transat and United.

So the idea of creating a major long-haul airport to compete with LIS or attract passengers regionally seems to be fading away. Back to the basics and to fly VFR on FR or EZY to Paris, Geneva or Luxembourg.


I don’t think none of us in here said OPO was going to be a ‘major long haul hub’, it’s small and big enough at the same time to keep a few key long routes, it’s your analysis that was too soon on blaming for all the temporary route cuts!
I’m sure 2022/23/24 some of those carriers that you mentioned or others will be back.
 
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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:03 pm

SCQ still at it??? For an airport that was just a "Buble" in this tragic year it's the airport fr the European top 100 in the peninsula that faired better with a drop of 66% Vs the average of 75% drop in passager traffic in peninsular airports...

Anything to say?
 
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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:47 pm

Airports will recover...

And if the service of several companies in OPO was there, it is because companies found it good for their business...

OPO will recover, as will other airports worldwide.
And nobody thought about OPO being a super long haul hub... That is is someone's mind... Not even for people living in OPO...

For sure OPO will be able to sustain a few long haul flights, but that's it....

Sao Paulo
Rio de Janeiro
New York
Toronto
Montreal
Luanda

Dubai... Well, that I don't know if it was working for Emirates...

Maybe Recife or Fortaleza could work if the TAP A321LR can do it , something like 2 times a week

Maybe BOS as well could have 2 or 3 direct flights a week, but not sure...

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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:22 pm

Portuguese government requests EU authorization to provide TAP EUR€463 million funding.
Airline already benefited from state aid of €1.2 billion in June 2020.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/tap- ... terim-aid/
 
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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:21 pm

TAP published its 2020 numbers suffering a EUR.1.2Bil (US$1.44 b).

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/portuga ... 2021-04-22
 
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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Mon Apr 26, 2021 2:54 pm

European Commission has ruled that a €462 million Portuguese support measure in favour of TAP to be in line with EU State aid rules.

https://www.flightglobal.com/strategy/e ... 58.article

This money was in addition to €1.2 billion that Portugal provided TAP last year as part of a "loan" to meet immediate liquidity needs.
 
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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Mon Apr 26, 2021 5:51 pm

Can't see how they will ever be able to repay this. So will probably be converted into equity at one point. Just like many other European airlines
 
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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Mon Apr 26, 2021 11:56 pm

With hindsight, would it have been better to let TAP go bankrupt and use the Govt bailout money to start a new airline instead ?
 
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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:01 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
With hindsight, would it have been better to let TAP go bankrupt and use the Govt bailout money to start a new airline instead ?

That's not hindsight. That's what every reasonable person in the world has been calling for, for at least 20 years. They should have done with TAP what was done to Swissair -> Swiss. A long time ago.
 
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Re: Lufthansa and United in negotiations to acquire TAP from David Neeleman

Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:56 pm

Pt56 wrote:
According to this article (Portuguese)...

https://www.jornaldenegocios.pt/empresa ... m-neeleman

Luftansa is supposedly trying to reach an agreement with David Neeleman to buy its position in TAP, via Atlantic Gateway in partnership with United Airlines.
According to the said article, negotiations are well advanced and are the result of tensions between the Portuguese state and David Neelman.
Last year TAP posted a 106 million euro loss.

What do you think? do you think this deal makes sense? Specially given that it is a minority position.


Sorry for digging up this old post … but here is new rumors:

https://www.aerotelegraph.com/portugal- ... sa-bei-tap

[unfortunately only in German]

It says that the Portuguese government has made contact with Lufthansa management again in order to continue negotiations about getting LH as a shareholder on board again !
 
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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:34 pm

A330Inter wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine ... es-Widener

Ex CEO of Cityjet, (who ceased scheduled operations), ex CEO of Flybe (who ceased operations).

Not sure what she brings to TAP.
 
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Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:16 pm

bennett123 wrote:
A330Inter wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine ... es-Widener

Ex CEO of Cityjet, (who ceased scheduled operations), ex CEO of Flybe (who ceased operations).

Not sure what she brings to TAP.


With this outstanding record, I'm sure her salary was low enough to TAP to accept it.
 
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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:39 pm

ojjunior wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
A330Inter wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine ... es-Widener

Ex CEO of Cityjet, (who ceased scheduled operations), ex CEO of Flybe (who ceased operations).

Not sure what she brings to TAP.


With this outstanding record, I'm sure her salary was low enough to TAP to accept it.


maybe she gives in to government demands, which is what the government wants
 
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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:43 am

She's a puppet. Government says jump she says how high?
 
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Re: TAP Portugal News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:42 am

bennett123 wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine ... es-Widener

Ex CEO of Cityjet, (who ceased scheduled operations), ex CEO of Flybe (who ceased operations).

Not sure what she brings to TAP.

She brings her gender!
Which in this day and age is far more important than skills or track record.
The socialist government of Portugal will be able to score woke points with a core demographic.
As for TAP? Who cares, it will continue to be loss making and the Portuguese tax payers will continue to cover its loses.
 
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Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:35 am

The nice advantage TAP has, is that it's right on the Atlantic and they can use the new generation "narrow body aircrafts" to provide services to smaller markets. Also, if the loads are not there, they can sub an A320N to a 330. Don't they do that at YYZ? I'm pretty sure I saw their A320 (or was it A321) there. Also, Portugal is a really great place for people to fly and enjoy a nice week of European culture and very reasonable prices. We flew YYZ - LIS on the 330Neo. The airport there is a little ah... different than other ones I've seen in Europe

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