morrisond wrote:flipdewaf wrote:morrisond wrote:I think you can reasonably assume that if a Western Airline was found to have the same issues as pointed out in the NY Times article and they were not corrected they would be grounded.
People are not saying that training isn't an issue that needs sorting but what has that got to do with the increased risk associated with the MAX and its grounding? That's what this thread is about
There are some saying that training doesn't need to be addressed. You are not one of them.
Point to one of them, I'm not particularly precious which...
All civil aircraft have been certified with an assumed level of competence in the cockpit. If that level does not exist you have to change the certification standards and then re-certify all aircraft - or change the Training standards and ensure that pilots are in compliance with them.
I'd kind of agree, that's why the 737max has been grounded, it doesn't meet the certification standards.
Basically the MAX should not be allowed to Return to service if Pilot training standards and there compliance or lack thereof are allowed to remain as is or not allowed to return to service with airlines that cannot demonstrate that proficiency. It was certified to a different level of assumed competence that is not in evidence worldwide.
Nope, it was incorrectly certificated due to not understanding the level of competence required by the pilots to complete successful flights at the same or better rates than required.
At this point I would suggest it should not be allowed to Return to service with Lionair until they can demonstrate they have fixed there training system. The jury is out on ET but it's not looking good.
When the updated MAX returns to service it should be assessed in conjunction with the training records and competence of the pilots in question along with any type specific training required.
Before MAX RTS - All other Airlines should have to at least have there pilots complete a flight from takeoff to touchdown using the manual trim wheel, and to demonstrate how to properly defeat the electric trim system and use said Manual trim system after being put in a position that is out of trim while in flight in the SIM. This does not need to be a MAX simulator.
or Boeing have a MCAS system that is suitably robust to failures such that the NG type rating still applies.
I suggest this training be applied to all other 737 models or any other Airplane that has manual trim as a back up system within a reasonable period of time.
For what reason?
That is why training is relevant to the 737 grounding and it's eventual RTS. Fixing MCAS or deleting it plus an iPad course is not enough.
Because of the f*ck up on the implementation of the MCAS system training will probably happen weather its needed or not, politics happens.