WillyEckers wrote:A long time lurker but first time poster.
I think something big happenedwhich resulted in the production shutdown and the CEO departure.
All of the people asking for training are missing the point.
When a system is developed, the impact that failures of the systems could have need to be assessed. This was done for the MAX and (based on looking at the system architecture) the consequences seem to have been assessed as “MINOR” (similar to STS).
Empirical evidence shows that there are failure effects which are CATASTROPHIC.
The same failure in two different parts of the world suggest that training alone is not the issue – it is hard to imagine that the exact same training failure could exist like this. And, at 8000 hours, it is difficult to believe that the ET captain had never seen an issue with the NG. For me, this is an aircraft system issue, not a pilot issue.
It seems that there have been changes made to the system – cross comparison of the sensors, improves system robustness and reduction of the authority of the MCAS reduces the consequences of failure.
My guess is that there is still a delta between the system robustness that can be achieved with this architecture and the system robustness that is required. Reading between the lines, it looks like the intention was to fill this gap with the pilot but, again – reading between the lines – this gap couldn’t be filled because half the pilots in the week long simulator session chose the wrong procedure (what does this even mean?). It is hard to imagine that there are any B737 pilots that are not aware of the MCAS issues so half failing in these conditions must be a bit of an issue.
And the FAA director’s comments are interesting. He didn’t say “we have all we need and will work a little overtime over the festive season to get this approved”. Rather, he said that the “focus should be on the quality and timeliness of data submittals for FAA review”.
We should listen to XRAYretired – he knows what he’s talking about!
Welcome to the forums! And a very good post.
Yep, I agree something big happened - which was the reason for the shutdown and firing of the CEO. I think that was the newly discovered text messages from former Chief Pilot Forkner (and possibly others). These were submitted by Boeing to the FAA, the Justice Department and Congress.
It will be interesting to find out what they say.