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New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:35 am

American Airlines should be announcing its Oceania routes this month as a part of its joint venture with Qantas.

Will we see LAX-AKL return to year round?

Seasonal DFW-AKL?

Rumored LAX-CHC?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Mon Sep 30, 2019 8:44 am

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American Airlines should be announcing its Oceania routes this month as a part of its joint venture with Qantas.

Will we see LAX-AKL return to year round?

Seasonal DFW-AKL?

Rumored LAX-CHC?


All of the above with 788s?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:35 am

In the last thread there was a comment about NZ not being followed up by the Commerce Commission. That suggests there was a demonstrated breach of the rules. But there wasn’t, was there? Or did I miss something?

The Commerce Commission taking up a case is not something that can or should be done lightly. There has to be substantial evidence of breaches of competition law. Cases are not just started because a company matches its competitors’ fares. Or has attractive lead-in fares. Otherwise companies like Easyjet and Ryanair would have been wound up years ago.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:37 am

The other days scored a ride BNE-AKL on NNG - just its fourth pax flight according to the pilot. Just love that new-plane smell!
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:48 am

From the previous thread...ZK-NBT

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So where to for NZ next year?
My picks - EWR and BKK (both in partnership with *A partners UA and TG respectively).
Also either CBR or HBA ex-AKL


How much more can they squeeze out of their existing fleet?

Come NS 2020 there isn’t to many 772s on long haul in fact only HKG which is getting retimed to free up a frame as well plus some LAX/SFO/IAH services, there will be further changes still but at this point not much more than 4 772s doing long haul with EZE and YVR going 789.

My take is that they keep ZK-OKT the BR 77W.”


Absolutely think they’ll keep OKT.
For EWR it’d be late 2020 that it would likely start rather than earlier in the year I’d imagine so there is the potential of an early delivery and change to a 789 in that time possibly. I don’t expect the 77E to be retired 1:1 by the 78J right away. I’d imagine they’ll start once they have 3 of those allowing the fleet to grow by 2x frames during that time.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:51 pm

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I don’t expect the 77E to be retired 1:1 by the 78J right away. I’d imagine they’ll start once they have 3 of those allowing the fleet to grow by 2x frames during that time.


According to Jeff McDowell the fleet will initially decrease slightly as 77Es are retired. (page 12 of the 28 March 2019 Business Review Update). I expect this is when a 77E is retired about March and the replacement 78J arrives about October.

So there's eight aircraft in the 777-200 fleet at the moment. So the plan was to replace them one for one with the exit date for the old aircraft coinciding with the entry dates of the new ones. With the changes we're making to our network we don't have to have such a tight correlation between the exit and entry date.

So there will be periods where the fleet count goes down slightly as the 777-200s go out a little earlier than -- at least on the first replacements. The order size likely to be similar, likely to still be eight aircraft but the timing a little different.


https://p-airnz.com/cms/assets/PDFs/air ... e-2019.pdf

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:40 pm

PA515 wrote:
Zkpilot wrote:
I don’t expect the 77E to be retired 1:1 by the 78J right away. I’d imagine they’ll start once they have 3 of those allowing the fleet to grow by 2x frames during that time.


According to Jeff McDowell the fleet will initially decrease slightly as 77Es are retired. (page 12 of the 28 March 2019 Business Review Update). I expect this is when a 77E is retired about March and the replacement 78J arrives about October.

So there's eight aircraft in the 777-200 fleet at the moment. So the plan was to replace them one for one with the exit date for the old aircraft coinciding with the entry dates of the new ones. With the changes we're making to our network we don't have to have such a tight correlation between the exit and entry date.

So there will be periods where the fleet count goes down slightly as the 777-200s go out a little earlier than -- at least on the first replacements. The order size likely to be similar, likely to still be eight aircraft but the timing a little different.


https://p-airnz.com/cms/assets/PDFs/air ... e-2019.pdf

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Plans like this have a habit of changing... easier to extend a lease/delay a retirement than it is to bring forward a purchase. Other factor of course being the economy and fuel prices at the time.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Mon Sep 30, 2019 11:06 pm

So where to for NZ next year?
My picks - EWR and BKK (both in partnership with *A partners UA and TG respectively).
Also either CBR or HBA ex-AKL


How much more can they squeeze out of their existing fleet?


There isn't enough slack available in the wide body fleet to open two new long haul routes during the summer 2020/21 season. I think TG has the Thailand market well covered. When OKT leaves in April there is less room to add flying unless they reduce the existing services. There has been a rumour of All Nippon Airways starting Haneda to AKL taking over our NZ95 this will free up 3 days of 787 capacity. So NZ could start a new service but not enough for a new 3 per week AKL to EWR.. IF NZ decided to substitute a 321 for a 789 it could free up a few days here and there perhaps the 3 weekly PPT flights. There is a lot of space with the 320/321 fleet to launch more routes if the market is there of course. The international narrow body fleet is grown and now 19 (11 neos and 8 ceos) with one more to come next month. Hobart might be a goer but its a small market. But the big issue is the economic market condition is softening so might not see any new routes/destinations added next year.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 2:43 am

ZK-MZB & MZC are coming to mount cook airline idk prob nov or december or even early 2020?

with MZA in christchurch
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:41 am

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ZK-MZB & MZC are coming to mount cook airline idk prob nov or december or even early 2020?

with MZA in christchurch
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If it is after mid-December they’ll be going to Air New Zealand.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:11 am

Is MVA the official last aircraft to be delivered to Mount Cook Airline before the consolidation?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:55 am

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Is MVA the official last aircraft to be delivered to Mount Cook Airline before the consolidation?

-MVA is the All Black 72-600. -MZA is the one your thinking off and yes its the last Mt Cook delivery
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:14 pm

MZA is the 24th 600 model. So there is still 5 more ATRs to come MZB to MZF. I believe the last one is coming 2021. It has taken ages to get the fleet changed from the 500s. However the Neo deliveries are nearly all here in just one year.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:37 pm

NZ516 wrote:
MZA is the 24th 600 model. So there is still 5 more ATRs to come MZB to MZF. I believe the last one is coming 2021. It has taken ages to get the fleet changed from the 500s. However the Neo deliveries are nearly all here in just one year.


The -500s were delivered over an much longer period to start with, hence there is bit of age different in the fleet.
The first batch of -500s are 1999 bluilds, then there was new ones that had been added over the years.
 
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Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:00 pm

NZ516 wrote:
MZA is the 24th 600 model. So there is still 5 more ATRs to come MZB to MZF. I believe the last one is coming 2021. It has taken ages to get the fleet changed from the 500s. However the Neo deliveries are nearly all here in just one year.


The NEO’s were delayed a year due to engine issues, they would have been delivered over 2 years.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:48 pm

I see that makes sense. Also with some retiring at different dates.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:44 pm

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I see that makes sense. Also with some retiring at different dates.


3 of the International CEO’s are been used on domestic runs, no set aircraft at this stage but I guess as the fleet shrinks certain aircraft will appear more regularly.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:15 am

It looks like ZK-OJE has been withdrawn from service? Presumably permanently? When was it's last service?
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Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:49 am

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It looks like ZK-OJE has been withdrawn from service? Presumably permanently? When was it's last service?

22nd of September.
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Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:22 pm

With NNG the latest Neo in service the 11th and OJE now retired the 6th Ceo. There is almost a pattern emerging with the retirements except for OJN and OJO.
We have OJA gone, OJB remains and then OJC gone, OJD remains, and now OJE gone, OJF remains.
Plus OJG gone, OJH remains. So I now expect that OJI is next to go when NHD arrives shortly.
The total 320/321 fleet is up 5 frames, so more than the 3 used for domestic flying. So effectively there is 2 spares one can be used to cover maintenance checks and there is at least one 320 available to start new international services equivalent to 2 new daily Trans Tasman flights. Might be a new route announcement for 2020 fingers crossed.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Wed Oct 02, 2019 5:37 pm

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With NNG the latest Neo in service the 11th and OJE now retired the 6th Ceo. There is almost a pattern emerging with the retirements except for OJN and OJO.
We have OJA gone, OJB remains and then OJC gone, OJD remains, and now OJE gone, OJF remains.
Plus OJG gone, OJH remains. So I now expect that OJI is next to go when NHD arrives shortly.
The total 320/321 fleet is up 5 frames, so more than the 3 used for domestic flying. So effectively there is 2 spares one can be used to cover maintenance checks and there is at least one 320 available to start new international services equivalent to 2 new daily Trans Tasman flights. Might be a new route announcement for 2020 fingers crossed.


Most of the International A320CEO’s we’re leased, from multiplie different lessors. NZ order the A320’s not long after the AN issues, they pretty much took finance from anyone that would give it.

I wouldn’t have my hopes up for any new CEO routes on the Tasman/Pacific. Any spare CEO capacity will just end up on the domestic market until the 7x A321NEO’s for domestic start arriving.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:09 pm

NZ516 wrote:
With NNG the latest Neo in service the 11th and OJE now retired the 6th Ceo. There is almost a pattern emerging with the retirements except for OJN and OJO.
We have OJA gone, OJB remains and then OJC gone, OJD remains, and now OJE gone, OJF remains.
Plus OJG gone, OJH remains. So I now expect that OJI is next to go when NHD arrives shortly.
The total 320/321 fleet is up 5 frames, so more than the 3 used for domestic flying. So effectively there is 2 spares one can be used to cover maintenance checks and there is at least one 320 available to start new international services equivalent to 2 new daily Trans Tasman flights. Might be a new route announcement for 2020 fingers crossed.


ZK-OJI and ZK-OJM are owned by Air NZ, so I expect them to remain until at least FY2022. ZK-OJH has the Star Alliance colour scheme, so that should remain until a replacement which won't be before FY2021, and there's the possibility ZK-OJH has been purchased from AerCap. ZK-OJD and ZK-OJF are both leased from GA Telesis, ZK-OJK is leased from Orix, and ZK-OJB is leased from Macquarie AirFinance.

According to Slide 35 of the Air NZ 2019 Annual Results Analyst Presentation, the combined number of A320/A321 ceo/NEO increases from 33 to 34 in FY2021

Airbus A320 ceo
FY2020 --- 22 (OXA-OXM) plus OAB, OJQ, OJR, OJS plus OJI, OJM, OJH? and two others
FY2021 --- 20 (OXA-OXM) plus OAB, OJQ, OJR, OJS plus OJI, OJM and OJH?
FY2022 --- 16 (OXA-OXM) plus (OAB & OJQ) or (OJR & OJS) plus one of OJI, OJM or OJH
FY2023 --- 16? (OXA-OXM) plus (OAB & OJQ) or (OJR & OJS) plus one of OJI, OJM or OJH
FY2024 --- 14? (OXA-OXM) plus one of OJI, OJM or OJH

Airbus A320/A321 NEO
FY2020 --- 11 (7 x A321NEO plus 4 x A320NEO)
FY2021 --- 14 (10 x A321NEO plus 4 x A320NEO)
FY2022 --- 18 (12 x A321NEO plus 6 x A320NEO)
FY2023 --- 18 (12 x A321NEO plus 6 x A320NEO)
FY2024 --- 20 (14 x A321NEO plus 6 x A320NEO)

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:11 am

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Is MVA the official last aircraft to be delivered to Mount Cook Airline before the consolidation?

-MVA is the All Black 72-600. -MZA is the one your thinking off and yes its the last Mt Cook delivery

I believe there are at least another three -600s to be delivered before the end of the year.
Highly likely that these will be “Mount Cook” deliveries.
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:59 am

How many days do new deliveries stay in their destinations for?
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:46 am

SXI899 wrote:
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hic787 wrote:
Is MVA the official last aircraft to be delivered to Mount Cook Airline before the consolidation?

-MVA is the All Black 72-600. -MZA is the one your thinking off and yes its the last Mt Cook delivery

I believe there are at least another three -600s to be delivered before the end of the year.
Highly likely that these will be “Mount Cook” deliveries.


Correct. MZB, MZC and MZD due to be delivered before Xmas.
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:37 pm

Airbus A320 ceo
FY2020 --- 22 (OXA-OXM) plus OAB, OJQ, OJR, OJS plus OJI, OJM, OJH? and two others
FY2021 --- 20 (OXA-OXM) plus OAB, OJQ, OJR, OJS plus OJI, OJM and OJH?
FY2022 --- 16 (OXA-OXM) plus (OAB & OJQ) or (OJR & OJS) plus one of OJI, OJM or OJH
FY2023 --- 16? (OXA-OXM) plus (OAB & OJQ) or (OJR & OJS) plus one of OJI, OJM or OJH
FY2024 --- 14? (OXA-OXM) plus one of OJI, OJM or OJH

Airbus A320/A321 NEO
FY2020 --- 11 (7 x A321NEO plus 4 x A320NEO)
FY2021 --- 14 (10 x A321NEO plus 4 x A320NEO)
FY2022 --- 18 (12 x A321NEO plus 6 x A320NEO)
FY2023 --- 18 (12 x A321NEO plus 6 x A320NEO)
FY2024 --- 20 (14 x A321NEO plus 6 x A320NEO)


Very interesting report PA515. So by combining the two fleets ceo and neo there should only be 33 in total by next year. Down from 35 presently. We can expect to see more retirements soon down to just 5 international ceos. So two more to go soon and looking like no more short haul expansion possible.
 
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:41 pm

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Correct. MZB, MZC and MZD due to be delivered before Xmas.


One more left to come next year then MZE the final 29th -600. Shame NZ didn't get one more to make it 30 for the fleet.
 
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:14 pm

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hic787 wrote:
Is MVA the official last aircraft to be delivered to Mount Cook Airline before the consolidation?

-MVA is the All Black 72-600. -MZA is the one your thinking off and yes its the last Mt Cook delivery

I believe there are at least another three -600s to be delivered before the end of the year.
Highly likely that these will be “Mount Cook” deliveries.


Air Nelson and Mount Cook fleets are apparently being moved onto the Air NZ AOC, with Air Nelson moving on 19 November and Mount Cook in mid-December.
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:56 am

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How many days do new deliveries stay in their destinations for?

I'm guessing you mean the base which it is delivered to. Generally 1-2 weeks, getting all the required equipment fitted, and in the case of the ATRs getting HF radios removed.
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:09 am

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Airbus A320 ceo
FY2020 --- 22 (OXA-OXM) plus OAB, OJQ, OJR, OJS plus OJI, OJM, OJH? and two others
FY2021 --- 20 (OXA-OXM) plus OAB, OJQ, OJR, OJS plus OJI, OJM and OJH?
FY2022 --- 16 (OXA-OXM) plus (OAB & OJQ) or (OJR & OJS) plus one of OJI, OJM or OJH
FY2023 --- 16? (OXA-OXM) plus (OAB & OJQ) or (OJR & OJS) plus one of OJI, OJM or OJH
FY2024 --- 14? (OXA-OXM) plus one of OJI, OJM or OJH

Airbus A320/A321 NEO
FY2020 --- 11 (7 x A321NEO plus 4 x A320NEO)
FY2021 --- 14 (10 x A321NEO plus 4 x A320NEO)
FY2022 --- 18 (12 x A321NEO plus 6 x A320NEO)
FY2023 --- 18 (12 x A321NEO plus 6 x A320NEO)
FY2024 --- 20 (14 x A321NEO plus 6 x A320NEO)


Very interesting report PA515. So by combining the two fleets ceo and neo there should only be 33 in total by next year. Down from 35 presently. We can expect to see more retirements soon down to just 5 international ceos. So two more to go soon and looking like no more short haul expansion possible.


Yes, but like zkpilot said, plans can change, and sometimes plans are not fully revealed. One or all of the three A321NEOs for domestic use due in FY2021 could be configured as regional aircraft and have mixed domestic and regional use. That happens now with the regional A320ceos.

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Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:33 am

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NZ1 wrote:

Correct. MZB, MZC and MZD due to be delivered before Xmas.


One more left to come next year then MZE the final 29th -600. Shame NZ didn't get one more to make it 30 for the fleet.


MZE due Apr 2020 and MZF due Jul 2021. Total fleet of 29 -600s.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:15 am

Regarding all the new -600's due to arrive, There had been
talk of AirNZ partially funding RNP AR / Autoland certification for them.
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:21 am

Thanks NZ1 very long gap between MZE and MZF delivery dates over a year. Just wondering which -500 will stay on the longest. As not always the youngest one that they decide to keep on going it's usually by number of cycles. A few months back someone had a list that they are all available for sale all 7 -500s. Interesting that MCC is the last one delivered on November 2004 they were not in sequence when delivered.
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:59 pm

NZF has been stuck in PVG since the 30 September according to Flight aware might have some issues.
That one did the defence charters recently from SIN to ROK and back again Also noticed that OKP went to Paya Lebar for a check presumably and not to SIN like some have been before. Must be difficult to maintain the schedules with 3 wide bodies out of service including the NZE waiting for engines.
 
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Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:10 am

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NZF has been stuck in PVG since the 30 September according to Flight aware might have some issues.
That one did the defence charters recently from SIN to ROK and back again Also noticed that OKP went to Paya Lebar for a check presumably and not to SIN like some have been before. Must be difficult to maintain the schedules with 3 wide bodies out of service including the NZE waiting for engines.


NZF damaged due lightening strike.

I’m not a techno but I believe all 777’s have been going to the hanger in Paya Lebar. I’ve definitely seen a san to QPG before.
 
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NZF has been stuck in PVG since the 30 September according to Flight aware might have some issues.
That one did the defence charters recently from SIN to ROK and back again Also noticed that OKP went to Paya Lebar for a check presumably and not to SIN like some have been before. Must be difficult to maintain the schedules with 3 wide bodies out of service including the NZE waiting for engines.


In NW the schedule is usually pretty maxed out for mid DEC through end JAN. most of the rest of the year there is some slack and at times 4-5 long haul frames unused, 2-3 in maintenance at once isn’t uncommon.

When will we find out more about the sort refits the whole fleet are getting next year?
 
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Sat Oct 05, 2019 3:11 am

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Thanks NZ1 very long gap between MZE and MZF delivery dates over a year. Just wondering which -500 will stay on the longest. As not always the youngest one that they decide to keep on going it's usually by number of cycles. A few months back someone had a list that they are all available for sale all 7 -500s. Interesting that MCC is the last one delivered on November 2004 they were not in sequence when delivered.

Pretty certain extra 72-600s were ordered for expansion and not as a direct 1 for 1 replacement.
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NZF has been stuck in PVG since the 30 September according to Flight aware might have some issues.
That one did the defence charters recently from SIN to ROK and back again Also noticed that OKP went to Paya Lebar for a check presumably and not to SIN like some have been before. Must be difficult to maintain the schedules with 3 wide bodies out of service including the NZE waiting for engines.


In NW the schedule is usually pretty maxed out for mid DEC through end JAN. most of the rest of the year there is some slack and at times 4-5 long haul frames unused, 2-3 in maintenance at once isn’t uncommon.

When will we find out more about the sort refits the whole fleet are getting next year?


Good to see the 772s doing plenty of long haul on Friday night, SFO/IAH/EZE/YVR/HKG plus OKT on NZ6 as well, so only NZ2 was an NZ 77W.

YVR goes 789 code 2 from October 27th, while EZE changes back to 789 from FEB, the 772 usage will be interesting for NS 2020, however there is some sort of soft refits happening on most of the long haul fleet which could take 2-3 frames out at once if the original plan to have the whole fleet done by the end of 2020 is still a go.

NRT will get some 77Ws soon towards the end of RWC some days 2 77Ws.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:27 am

Kāpiti Coast airport sale by Todd Property Group comes as a surprise to Air Chathams

A family-run airline has been blindsided by the sale of the Kāpiti Coast airport it operates from.

Air Chathams general manager Duane Emeny only found out about the sale when contacted for comment by Stuff - "I'm probably as surprised as you are."

The airport was due to be re-certified with the Civil Aviation Authority - a process and cost carried by the airport owners - so his business could keep flying its Saab 340 planes.


more:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/proper ... r-chathams

Hopefully the new owners will keep the airport and only develop the surrounding land for housing and commercial uses. Bit strange that Todd did not tell Air Chathams first.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:33 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
In NW the schedule is usually pretty maxed out for mid DEC through end JAN. most of the rest of the year there is some slack and at times 4-5 long haul frames unused, 2-3 in maintenance at once isn’t uncommon.

When will we find out more about the sort refits the whole fleet are getting next year?


Incidentally back in June passing through AKL I saw 8 wide bodies at the maintenance base, thought it was a lot of assets on the ground at once. Only two of the 789s were waiting on engines at that time
But as you say its the quiet period with far less flying activity than the summer peak.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:19 am

NZ516 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
In NW the schedule is usually pretty maxed out for mid DEC through end JAN. most of the rest of the year there is some slack and at times 4-5 long haul frames unused, 2-3 in maintenance at once isn’t uncommon.

When will we find out more about the sort refits the whole fleet are getting next year?


Incidentally back in June passing through AKL I saw 8 wide bodies at the maintenance base, thought it was a lot of assets on the ground at once. Only two of the 789s were waiting on engines at that time
But as you say its the quiet period with far less flying activity than the summer peak.


8 is a lot, maybe it included some of the leased 777s which probably both ex SQ ones were still around then?

I remember in NS seeing 3-4 744s parked side by side on the western side of the international terminal layovers during the day at least often another 1 at the jet base as well, particularly once the 772s arrived and fuel began to rise around 2008/09.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Sat Oct 05, 2019 5:49 pm

Only one which was OKJ in the Hangar and the rest were a mixture of NZ 3 787S , 2 772 and 2 77W. This was during the middle of the day by evening I expect one would have been towed to the terminal to be ready for a flight. They were certainly jammed in tight to fit them all in at the maintenance base.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:24 am

Deepinsider wrote:
Regarding all the new -600's due to arrive, There had been
talk of AirNZ partially funding RNP AR / Autoland certification for them.
(bad weather ops into Queenstown / fog at AKL etc.)
Anyone know where that is at, or did it fade away?

Autoland was never on the cards (I don’t think that ATR even looked at certifying it). RNP-AR is in progress I believe.
We deliver......
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:16 am

Air New Zealand 789 ZK-NZR returns to PAE after painting at PDX (2 Oct)

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:16 am

I see 789 ZK-NZF is now back in Auckland after it's extended stay in Shanghai. Next flight is Narita on Wednesday
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:14 pm

Someone on reddit has produced an interesting graphic of passenger numbers to/from New Zealand airports in 2018:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/commen ... ealand_by/
Time for a new viewing deck at AKL!
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:23 pm

axio wrote:
Someone on reddit has produced an interesting graphic of passenger numbers to/from New Zealand airports in 2018:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/commen ... ealand_by/



Looks beautiful! But aren't there a few Chinese cities missing?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:06 am

Fiji Airways will bring their A350 to Auckland earlier now starting 18 December.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2019/
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - October 2019

Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:17 am

zkeoj wrote:
axio wrote:
Someone on reddit has produced an interesting graphic of passenger numbers to/from New Zealand airports in 2018:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/commen ... ealand_by/



Looks beautiful! But aren't there a few Chinese cities missing?


And no data on WLG-SIN (via MEL).
come visit the south pacific

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