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Air Canada S20 International network changes

Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:17 am

For example:

Out of YUL, LYS will increase to 6x weekly, NCE will become Mainline up to 5x weekly with A333s and TLS will see an A333 5x weekly too.

A333s will also take over YVR-CDG and YYZ-VIE, in place of 788s.


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-27sep19/
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:26 am

I find the VIE change extremely interesting. Seems that with this switch they will offer slightly more seats. Seems like replacing OS was the right move as they used to send their relatively small B763.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:00 am

Blerg wrote:
I find the VIE change extremely interesting. Seems that with this switch they will offer slightly more seats. Seems like replacing OS was the right move as they used to send their relatively small B763.


Indeed and instead of sending a 777 (OS), the A333 is perfect, as on many other routes to Europe.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:24 pm

YUL-ALG is transferred back to AC Rouge with an increase from 5 weekly 333 to daily 763ER
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:43 pm

I wonder if they will have reconfigured their TP A330s by next summer given the MAX grounding. I'm quite surprised how spread out A330 flying is going to be given that YUL is the only current pilot base for them.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:56 pm

Seems they changed winter too. Just received word from Air Canada via email that my AC HKG-YVR flight is canceled on 17-December and we’re on the day’s flight. Any official news that AC is reducing HKG at least while the protesting is going on?
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:00 pm

Apparently they are starting to base A330 pilots in YYZ. Not sure of the exact date, but one of my friends was just awarded 330 FO based in YZ.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:59 pm

AC typically shuffles capacity around a few times before settling on a schedule, and is no stranger to changing types mid season to best fit the route. I'd anticipate a few more changes to roll out over the next couple of months, all little adjustments like this.

I am curious about the A333s as well, they were supposed to be reconfigured this winter, though with the max grounding, I don't know what the plan is now. I'm curious to see how it all shakes out.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:07 pm

Overall it looks very good. Two things that caught my eye were YYz-DXB being increased to 4wk in Summer for the first time and YVR-CDG being reduced from 4 to 3wk.

I’m surprised that they would be reducing YVR-CDG in summer season.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:36 pm

behramjee wrote:
I’m surprised that they would be reducing YVR-CDG in summer season.


It's been announced these last few days, to begin in eight months so there might still be changes until then. Perhaps is it also related to fleet dispatch without the Max 8, and load factors, unless they offer attractive one stop fares through YYZ or YUL.


A333 27C 21Y+ 244Y = 292 +7C & +30Y

B788 20C 21Y+ 214Y = 255
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:19 pm

Blerg wrote:
I find the VIE change extremely interesting. Seems that with this switch they will offer slightly more seats. Seems like replacing OS was the right move as they used to send their relatively small B763.


With AC in joint venture with LH and other airlines within LHGroup, perhaps the JV wants to take advantage of the EuroWings and OS restructuring in VIE.
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:47 pm

Interesting to see the 77W on YYC-FRA and (previously announced) AC and LH are metal swapping YOW-FRA.

Given there's no reference to YYC-NRT, looks like it'll be getting the 763 for one more summer.

Another interesting tidbit is 1 daily YYZ-YHZ will see a 77W over the XMAS/New Year's period: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... 9jan-2020/
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:58 pm

My big takeaway here is that Chinese destinations of Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong are seeing capacity cuts.

For Calgary, the 77W to FRA is interesting, but so is A333 to LHR instead of B789 especially in light of similar grade aircraft from WS to LGW. How's the hard product on the A333?
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Mon Sep 30, 2019 9:48 pm

berari wrote:
My big takeaway here is that Chinese destinations of Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong are seeing capacity cuts.

For Calgary, the 77W to FRA is interesting, but so is A333 to LHR instead of B789 especially in light of similar grade aircraft from WS to LGW. How's the hard product on the A333?


The hard product on the A330 right now is OK, but aging and inferior to WS (IMO). Once AC gets the reconfigurations complete it will be equivalent to WS and to AC’s 787/777 fleet
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:53 am

Does AC serve LYS and GVA?
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:41 am

berari wrote:
Does AC serve LYS and GVA?


Yes, AC flies to both.


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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:06 pm

berari wrote:
My big takeaway here is that Chinese destinations of Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong are seeing capacity cuts.

For Calgary, the 77W to FRA is interesting, but so is A333 to LHR instead of B789 especially in light of similar grade aircraft from WS to LGW. How's the hard product on the A333?


If I'm not mistaken, the 77W on YYC-FRA and the 333 on YYC-LHR are just temporary (spring). The peak summer season seems to show the 789 on both routes.
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:19 pm

matt wrote:
berari wrote:
My big takeaway here is that Chinese destinations of Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong are seeing capacity cuts.

For Calgary, the 77W to FRA is interesting, but so is A333 to LHR instead of B789 especially in light of similar grade aircraft from WS to LGW. How's the hard product on the A333?


If I'm not mistaken, the 77W on YYC-FRA and the 333 on YYC-LHR are just temporary (spring). The peak summer season seems to show the 789 on both routes.



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Calgary – Frankfurt 29MAR20 – 30APR20 400-seater 777-300ER replaces 787-9
Calgary – London Heathrow 29MAR20 – 14JUN20 A330-300 replaces 787-9
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:13 pm

Is this reshuffle affecting availability of Rouge 763 for launching new services for S20? Number of potential TATL destinations could use 767 as seasonal Rouge routes from YYZ: Dubrovnik DBV, Sofia SOF, Belgrade BEG and Thessaloniki SKG for example?
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:29 pm

behramjee wrote:
I’m surprised that they would be reducing YVR-CDG in summer season.


In addition to what I've posted a few days ago, lets consider YVR's passengers stats for this year with August and Year-to-date respectively:

260,976 -1.1% // 1,244,476 0.8%

Of course I don't know routes' performances, however at 4x weekly, with the 788, offered 80C + 84Y+ 856Y one way, whereas with 3x weekly A333 they will have 81C + 63Y+ 734Y. IIRC TS serve the route too once or twice weekly, along with AF.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:19 pm

fly2moon wrote:
Is this reshuffle affecting availability of Rouge 763 for launching new services for S20? Number of potential TATL destinations could use 767 as seasonal Rouge routes from YYZ: Dubrovnik DBV, Sofia SOF, Belgrade BEG and Thessaloniki SKG for example?


Rouge is already adding YUL-BOG 3 weekly and YUL-MRS is going up from 3 to 4 weekly.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:41 am

fly2moon wrote:
Is this reshuffle affecting availability of Rouge 763 for launching new services for S20? Number of potential TATL destinations could use 767 as seasonal Rouge routes from YYZ: Dubrovnik DBV, Sofia SOF, Belgrade BEG and Thessaloniki SKG for example?


Air Canada rouge's Boeing 767-300s will definitely have more flexibility next summer. This past summer, they ended up operating a lot of flights as substitutes for the 737 MAX8, which was grounded (and still is). For example, the Rouge 767s were used on YYZ-YYC (3x daily), YYZ-YEG (2x daily), YUL-YVR, YUL-YEG, YUL-YHZ and other ad hoc replacements. If the MAX8 is back in the air, that will free up the Rouge 767s. I'm sure there will be more anouncements to come.
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:03 am

YYZ-ATH and YUL-ATH are both increasing from 7 to 9 weekly based on current schedules. This was meant to happen this year but didn’t because of the MAX situation and the need to use some Rouge 767s to compensate.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:48 am

OlympicATH wrote:
YYZ-ATH and YUL-ATH are both increasing from 7 to 9 weekly based on current schedules. This was meant to happen this year but didn’t because of the MAX situation and the need to use some Rouge 767s to compensate.


They were both 9 weekly this summer.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Thu Oct 03, 2019 3:58 am

chrisa330 wrote:
berari wrote:
My big takeaway here is that Chinese destinations of Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong are seeing capacity cuts.

For Calgary, the 77W to FRA is interesting, but so is A333 to LHR instead of B789 especially in light of similar grade aircraft from WS to LGW. How's the hard product on the A333?


The hard product on the A330 right now is OK, but aging and inferior to WS (IMO). Once AC gets the reconfigurations complete it will be equivalent to WS and to AC’s 787/777 fleet


AC's A330 hard product is still vastly superior to WS 767's, only inferior to their 787s. Extremely comfy Y cabin only the AVOD is a bit old and slow.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:28 am

ACCS300 wrote:
chrisa330 wrote:
berari wrote:
My big takeaway here is that Chinese destinations of Beijing, Shanghai and Hong Kong are seeing capacity cuts.

For Calgary, the 77W to FRA is interesting, but so is A333 to LHR instead of B789 especially in light of similar grade aircraft from WS to LGW. How's the hard product on the A333?


The hard product on the A330 right now is OK, but aging and inferior to WS (IMO). Once AC gets the reconfigurations complete it will be equivalent to WS and to AC’s 787/777 fleet


AC's A330 hard product is still vastly superior to WS 767's, only inferior to their 787s. Extremely comfy Y cabin only the AVOD is a bit old and slow.


with WestJet retiring their 767’s next summer, there will be no comparison.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:29 pm

matt wrote:
Air Canada rouge's Boeing 767-300s will definitely have more flexibility next summer. This past summer, they ended up operating a lot of flights as substitutes for the 737 MAX8, which was grounded (and still is). For example, the Rouge 767s were used on YYZ-YYC (3x daily), YYZ-YEG (2x daily), YUL-YVR, YUL-YEG, YUL-YHZ and other ad hoc replacements. If the MAX8 is back in the air, that will free up the Rouge 767s. I'm sure there will be more anouncements to come.


True, if MAX gets back in the air by next summer 767s will have more availability. The thing is, new TATL routes are usually announced around this time of year and can't wait for MAX to actually start flying. Other uncertainties are also at play. With AC/TS deal not formally completed, it is not likely Rouge and Transat can plan TATL services together at this time. Many RV/TS European destinations overlap and even if Transat remains a separate brand for a while, it would make sense to have a holistic view of TATL destinations and optimize network, possibly making Rouge 767 available for new destinations. If deal closes early next year it would likely be too late for S20 new service announcements at that time.

It will be interesting to see if any new Rouge 767 TATL services can be created in upcoming weeks or if we have to wait for destinations like DBV, SOF, BEG and SKG in S21.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:09 pm

fly2moon wrote:
matt wrote:
Air Canada rouge's Boeing 767-300s will definitely have more flexibility next summer. This past summer, they ended up operating a lot of flights as substitutes for the 737 MAX8, which was grounded (and still is). For example, the Rouge 767s were used on YYZ-YYC (3x daily), YYZ-YEG (2x daily), YUL-YVR, YUL-YEG, YUL-YHZ and other ad hoc replacements. If the MAX8 is back in the air, that will free up the Rouge 767s. I'm sure there will be more anouncements to come.


True, if MAX gets back in the air by next summer 767s will have more availability. The thing is, new TATL routes are usually announced around this time of year and can't wait for MAX to actually start flying. Other uncertainties are also at play. With AC/TS deal not formally completed, it is not likely Rouge and Transat can plan TATL services together at this time. Many RV/TS European destinations overlap and even if Transat remains a separate brand for a while, it would make sense to have a holistic view of TATL destinations and optimize network, possibly making Rouge 767 available for new destinations. If deal closes early next year it would likely be too late for S20 new service announcements at that time.

It will be interesting to see if any new Rouge 767 TATL services can be created in upcoming weeks or if we have to wait for destinations like DBV, SOF, BEG and SKG in S21.


You are absolutely right about that. There are still many uncertainties, especially with the AC/TS deal. As S20 gets closer and closer, it will difficult for AC and TS to plan their TATL schedule holistically. We may have to wait until S21 for that... Interesting times.
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:49 am

The company is apparently adding frequecies during July and August to its YUL/YYZ-CDG routes, with A333.


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -in-3q20-/
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:51 am

upperdeckfan wrote:

Canada and AC is a different market, AC main hub is YYZ but they have what I'd call "second-tier" hubs in YVR and YUL as they operate multiple (10+) long haul routes which cretaes a much better operating cost structure.


Perhaps you consider it that way, but YUL/YVR are by no means second tier hubs.

Next summer AC at YUL is at 20+ daily longhaul widebody departures, YVR at 15+ (this is only AC departures, you can add all the other JV partner flights on top). There are a number of other star alliance JV hubs that have fewer departures.

You can't compare a country in Europe which only has 1 hub to Canada. Geographically it's not the same footprint and the traffic flows are very different for YUL/YYZ (YUL being a lot more focused on francophone and maghreb destinations). Cost considerations come afterwards, as a good majority of the routes flown out of YUL wouldn't work out of YYZ.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:16 pm

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European legacies operate on a single hub (except for LH), it has proven to be the best set up from a profitability standpoint. Operating one or two long haul routes out of LYS, NCE or TLS doesn0't make any business sense for AF.


In general you are right, but there is the odd long haul flight done in a W-pattern with hub-aircraft. Examples that spring to mind are Swiss' GVA-JFK or the Lufthansa flight from DUS to New York (EWR I think) that used to fly on a W from MUC. Geneva to New York smells of very good money of course - maybe more so than LYS/NCE/TLS to New York for example - but I would not generally rule it out. Especially with even smaller long haul jets coming in.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:57 pm

runway23 wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:

Canada and AC is a different market, AC main hub is YYZ but they have what I'd call "second-tier" hubs in YVR and YUL as they operate multiple (10+) long haul routes which cretaes a much better operating cost structure.


Perhaps you consider it that way, but YUL/YVR are by no means second tier hubs.

Next summer AC at YUL is at 20+ daily longhaul widebody departures, YVR at 15+ (this is only AC departures, you can add all the other JV partner flights on top). There are a number of other star alliance JV hubs that have fewer departures.

You can't compare a country in Europe which only has 1 hub to Canada. Geographically it's not the same footprint and the traffic flows are very different for YUL/YYZ (YUL being a lot more focused on francophone and maghreb destinations). Cost considerations come afterwards, as a good majority of the routes flown out of YUL wouldn't work out of YYZ.


I wasn't comparing Europe with Canada at all, just responding to a previous entry suggesting that AF should serve YUL from other french cities besides Paris.

WorldspotterPL wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:
European legacies operate on a single hub (except for LH), it has proven to be the best set up from a profitability standpoint. Operating one or two long haul routes out of LYS, NCE or TLS doesn0't make any business sense for AF.


In general you are right, but there is the odd long haul flight done in a W-pattern with hub-aircraft. Examples that spring to mind are Swiss' GVA-JFK or the Lufthansa flight from DUS to New York (EWR I think) that used to fly on a W from MUC. Geneva to New York smells of very good money of course - maybe more so than LYS/NCE/TLS to New York for example - but I would not generally rule it out. Especially with even smaller long haul jets coming in.


Good point, smaler long haul jets will open secondary markets although what I envision is US carriers serving smaller cities from their US hubs and eruopean legacies serving US/Canada smaller cities from their hubs.

For example, if AF takes the A321LR/XLR I see them opening CDG-YHZ or CDG-YYT ahead of LYS-JFK or NCE-YUL, just my view.
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:09 am

Many changes announced to the S20 schedule:

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-21feb20/
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:18 am

With ANZ suspending AKL-ICN, I expect many others too to reduce capacity and suspend ICN temporarily.

As for AC, I wont be surprised if YYZ-ICN gets suspended temporarily just like HKG is for a month or so and it only operates YVR-ICN due to the Coronavirus outbreak as YVR can feed its network comfortably all round.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:18 pm

Does anybody have an aircfraft utilisation chart for Air Canada? It sure is interesting how they deploy their fleet. Keen to understand more about that.
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:04 pm

matt wrote:
Many changes announced to the S20 schedule:

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-21feb20/


I suspect there will be further changes, as some of the sked changes don't make sense. There are some seasonal frequency increases that are effective for 1 week in September rather than the full summer season.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:27 pm

chrisa330 wrote:
matt wrote:
Many changes announced to the S20 schedule:

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-21feb20/


I suspect there will be further changes, as some of the sked changes don't make sense. There are some seasonal frequency increases that are effective for 1 week in September rather than the full summer season.


Post Labour Day is still the 'dummy' schedule with the MAX loaded into it.

Given the China situation, I won't be surprised to see more changes. Notable that even though AC are keeping the 5 mainline 763s now through to 2021, not only does YOW-LHR keep its 788 upgauge, it is now upgauged further from 31MAY20-08SEP20 to a 333. Must mean advanced bookings are strong.

YYC gets a big boost to LHR too, while it appears YYZ-LHR gets a bit of a trim from 77W to 788/789 mix on one of the 4 dailies.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:43 pm

Overall is this increased capacity on Europe flying? I imagine there will be some good deals on airfare to Europe this summer, but a shortage of hotel capacity.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:31 am

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Overall is this increased capacity on Europe flying? I imagine there will be some good deals on airfare to Europe this summer, but a shortage of hotel capacity.


I would say it's the oposite: several frequencies on Rouge-operated flights to Europe have been reduced, although slightly. Perhaps given that the MAX8 most likelly won't be flying this summer, some 763s will be used domestically, as was the case this summer.

Shortage of hotel capacity in Europe? Perhaps, but don't forget that the Chinese won't be traveling as much, so that might even things out.

There will definitely be more changes to the AC peak summer schedule in the months to come.
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:48 am

Wow. YYC-FRA is up to a 77W. The German tourists must be pouring in.

Also, they're up to the 450-seat 77W on CPH? With loads like that, I'm surprised they haven't added an ARN flight.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:48 am

Dominion301 wrote:
not only does YOW-LHR keep its 788 upgauge, it is now upgauged further from 31MAY20-08SEP20 to a 333. Must mean advanced bookings are strong.


Looks to me like a preemptive move to drive out any potential WS YOW-LGW, even if the 737MAX isn't back in service by then.

YYZLGA wrote:
Wow. YYC-FRA is up to a 77W. The German tourists must be pouring in.


Call me skeptical, but again, seems like AC wants to lower fares in the YYC - Europe/Beyond market to make WS' European foray that much less appealing.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:15 pm

matt wrote:
Prost wrote:
Overall is this increased capacity on Europe flying? I imagine there will be some good deals on airfare to Europe this summer, but a shortage of hotel capacity.


I would say it's the oposite: several frequencies on Rouge-operated flights to Europe have been reduced, although slightly. Perhaps given that the MAX8 most likelly won't be flying this summer, some 763s will be used domestically, as was the case this summer.

Shortage of hotel capacity in Europe? Perhaps, but don't forget that the Chinese won't be traveling as much, so that might even things out.

There will definitely be more changes to the AC peak summer schedule in the months to come.


Yes indeed. YLW are getting their first ever widebody service thanks to that. Imagine pre-WS, CP and AC were only flying Dash 8s to YLW from the early 90s recession onwards. Fast forward 25 years and YLW is seeing a daily 763.

YYT, YEG and YHZ will all see at least 1x daily 763 to YYZ this summer thanks to the MAX mess.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:28 pm

Airlinerdude wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
not only does YOW-LHR keep its 788 upgauge, it is now upgauged further from 31MAY20-08SEP20 to a 333. Must mean advanced bookings are strong.


Looks to me like a preemptive move to drive out any potential WS YOW-LGW, even if the 737MAX isn't back in service by then.

YYZLGA wrote:
Wow. YYC-FRA is up to a 77W. The German tourists must be pouring in.


Call me skeptical, but again, seems like AC wants to lower fares in the YYC - Europe/Beyond market to make WS' European foray that much less appealing.


You're a skeptic and its nonsense. Air Canada is moving 777 gauge off the Pacific onto the Atlantic, and Heathrow is a safe place to put capacity given all the global turmoil. This is not the first, nor the last time AC will operate 777s on YYC-LHR.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:47 pm

YYZLGA wrote:
Wow. YYC-FRA is up to a 77W. The German tourists must be pouring in.


A significant proportion of passengers on all Canada - FRA flights are LH connections, whereas LHR is more O&D as the UK is a very popular destination in itself.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:11 pm

Airlinerdude wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
not only does YOW-LHR keep its 788 upgauge, it is now upgauged further from 31MAY20-08SEP20 to a 333. Must mean advanced bookings are strong.


Looks to me like a preemptive move to drive out any potential WS YOW-LGW, even if the 737MAX isn't back in service by then.

YYZLGA wrote:
Wow. YYC-FRA is up to a 77W. The German tourists must be pouring in.


Call me skeptical, but again, seems like AC wants to lower fares in the YYC - Europe/Beyond market to make WS' European foray that much less appealing.


I could see that if it were a new route, but I don't think any airline would upgauge an existing route if the demand weren't there. If anything, it shows that the demand is there for WS when they do add those routes.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:06 pm

Airlinerdude wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
not only does YOW-LHR keep its 788 upgauge, it is now upgauged further from 31MAY20-08SEP20 to a 333. Must mean advanced bookings are strong.


Looks to me like a preemptive move to drive out any potential WS YOW-LGW, even if the 737MAX isn't back in service by then.

YYZLGA wrote:
Wow. YYC-FRA is up to a 77W. The German tourists must be pouring in.


Call me skeptical, but again, seems like AC wants to lower fares in the YYC - Europe/Beyond market to make WS' European foray that much less appealing.


AC have reached such a critical mass that they very rarely 'care' any longer about reacting to what WestJet does. It's almost always the other way around nowadays. YYC-BOS being a case in point.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:21 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Airlinerdude wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
not only does YOW-LHR keep its 788 upgauge, it is now upgauged further from 31MAY20-08SEP20 to a 333. Must mean advanced bookings are strong.


Looks to me like a preemptive move to drive out any potential WS YOW-LGW, even if the 737MAX isn't back in service by then.

YYZLGA wrote:
Wow. YYC-FRA is up to a 77W. The German tourists must be pouring in.


Call me skeptical, but again, seems like AC wants to lower fares in the YYC - Europe/Beyond market to make WS' European foray that much less appealing.


AC have reached such a critical mass that they very rarely 'care' any longer about reacting to what WestJet does. It's almost always the other way around nowadays. YYC-BOS being a case in point.


AC YYC-BOS announcement was a preemptive strike against WS planned BOS announcement in Jan with the summer sked.
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:04 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
matt wrote:
Prost wrote:
Overall is this increased capacity on Europe flying? I imagine there will be some good deals on airfare to Europe this summer, but a shortage of hotel capacity.


I would say it's the oposite: several frequencies on Rouge-operated flights to Europe have been reduced, although slightly. Perhaps given that the MAX8 most likelly won't be flying this summer, some 763s will be used domestically, as was the case this summer.

Shortage of hotel capacity in Europe? Perhaps, but don't forget that the Chinese won't be traveling as much, so that might even things out.

There will definitely be more changes to the AC peak summer schedule in the months to come.


Yes indeed. YLW are getting their first ever widebody service thanks to that. Imagine pre-WS, CP and AC were only flying Dash 8s to YLW from the early 90s recession onwards. Fast forward 25 years and YLW is seeing a daily 763.

YYT, YEG and YHZ will all see at least 1x daily 763 to YYZ this summer thanks to the MAX mess.


Will YYT be getting Rouge or mainline 767s?
 
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:59 pm

whywhytee wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
matt wrote:

I would say it's the oposite: several frequencies on Rouge-operated flights to Europe have been reduced, although slightly. Perhaps given that the MAX8 most likelly won't be flying this summer, some 763s will be used domestically, as was the case this summer.

Shortage of hotel capacity in Europe? Perhaps, but don't forget that the Chinese won't be traveling as much, so that might even things out.

There will definitely be more changes to the AC peak summer schedule in the months to come.


Yes indeed. YLW are getting their first ever widebody service thanks to that. Imagine pre-WS, CP and AC were only flying Dash 8s to YLW from the early 90s recession onwards. Fast forward 25 years and YLW is seeing a daily 763.

YYT, YEG and YHZ will all see at least 1x daily 763 to YYZ this summer thanks to the MAX mess.


Will YYT be getting Rouge or mainline 767s?


As per the current schedule, it looks like YYZ-YYT in July and August will be a mix of mainline 320s, 321, E90s as well as Rouge A319s and 763s. This will most likely change as there are still some MAX8 flights in the schedule, which will certainly be removed. I feel that the AC schedule is evolving every minute at the moment.
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Re: Air Canada S20 International network changes

Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:14 pm

I wonder if the YOW-LHR upgauge is at all related to the continued cancellation of YHZ-LHR and YYT-LHR?
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