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AA beefs up MIA - South America flights, returns to BOS-LHR and extends European schedules

Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:55 pm

Per their press release:

Today American announced plans to grow its international network with new and increased service:

Increased service from Miami (MIA) to:
*Lima, Peru (LIM), beginning April 7 (now 3x daily)
*Santiago, Chile (SCL), beginning winter 2020 (now 2x daily)
*São Paulo(GRU), beginning winter 2020 (now 3x daily)

New daily service from Boston (BOS) to London Heathrow (LHR) beginning March 29

Extended service to key European destinations including Rome (JFK-FCO), Dublin (DFW-DUB) and Barcelona, Spain (ORD-BCN)

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:58 pm

The pressure begins.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:58 pm

gatibosgru wrote:
Per their press release:

Today American announced plans to grow its international network with new and increased service:

Increased service from Miami (MIA) to:
Lima, Peru (LIM), beginning April 7
Santiago, Chile (SCL), beginning winter 2020
São Paulo(GRU), beginning winter 2020

New daily service from Boston (BOS) to London Heathrow (LHR) beginning March 29

Extended service to key European destinations including Rome (JFK-FCO), Dublin (DFW-DUB) and Barcelona, Spain (ORD-BCN)

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx


Very quick response to LATAM. Good for them. Good to see AA metal return to LHR-BOS as well.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:00 pm

Great to see AA standing up to DL! I sure wish there was better S.A. service from the west coast...it's a haul to go all the way to MIA to then go south. Hint hint!!
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:07 pm

Will AA venture back to markets its dropped such as ASU, LPB, CNF, CEB,POA, REC, SSA, etc which today can be reached with LATAM connection?

AA will also need to invest in ground facilities again - AAdmirals Clubs have closed in cities like BOG, SCL, LIM in favor of partner facilities.
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:10 pm

Finally! The Latin America additions make sense and compensate for the loss of LATAM code shares. Most likely these were in the works as the AA/LATAM deal unraveled. Earlier start dates for JFK-FCO, ORD-BCN, and DFW-DUB are a sign these routes are working. BOS-LHR should work with the BA presence on the route, though against DL/VS, B6, they could be the odd one out but these are good developments.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:11 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
Great to see AA standing up to DL! I sure wish there was better S.A. service from the west coast...it's a haul to go all the way to MIA to then go south. Hint hint!!


DL hasn’t even announced a single new route from this transaction, yet AA is standing up to them?!

It’s playing blind chess. AA has no idea what DL has planned. The current odds favor this as an overreaction to moves not even made.


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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:11 pm

It’s called panic. They are being reactive, not proactive.
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:12 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
Great to see AA standing up to DL! I sure wish there was better S.A. service from the west coast...it's a haul to go all the way to MIA to then go south. Hint hint!!


Most of SA is actually East of the US. A lot of routes probably don’t offset too much from a direct flight.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:16 pm

LOL....are there 10 extra gates for AA in ATL?
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:17 pm

BroadwayLimited wrote:
It’s called panic. They are being reactive, not proactive.


I doubt it is a knee jerk. They knew for a time the LATAM deal would not move ahead. Route planning isn't done at the snap of a finger.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:19 pm

ilovelamp wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
Great to see AA standing up to DL! I sure wish there was better S.A. service from the west coast...it's a haul to go all the way to MIA to then go south. Hint hint!!


DL hasn’t even announced a single new route from this transaction, yet AA is standing up to them?!

It’s playing blind chess. AA has no idea what DL has planned.


It's pretty predictable that DL will eventually codeshare substantially all LATAM flights out of JFK/MIA/LAX. DL's own-metal adds are rather less sure.

LAXintl wrote:
Will AA venture back to markets its dropped such as ASU, LPB, CNF, CEB,POA, REC, SSA, etc which today can be reached with LATAM connection?


A few of those look awfully marginal as AA non-stops out of MIA to my eye.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:37 pm

London-Boston now goes from 8 to 10 DAILY flights (S19 v S20):
5 BA/AA
- 4 British Airways - LHR-BOS
- 1 American Airlines - LHR-BOS
4 VS/DL
- 2 Virgin Atlantic - LHR-BOS
- 1 Delta Airlines - LHR-BOS
- 1 Delta Airlines - LGW-BOS
1 DY
- 1 Norwegian - LGW-BOS

One has to assume AA are only adding LHR-BOS for one of two reasons:
1. Compete further against Delta to ensure BA/AA are the lead carrier on LHR-BOS
2. Ensure JetBlue cannot get a large market share when they launch London-Boston flights in Summer 2021
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:42 pm

Are we sure AA is adding frequency on BOS-LHR and not just replacing a BA flight?
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:43 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
Are we sure AA is adding frequency on BOS-LHR and not just replacing a BA flight?

I think so, they even paid for an extra slot just for this flight.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:43 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
Are we sure AA is adding frequency on BOS-LHR and not just replacing a BA flight?

The press release says they are adding capacity/frequency.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:49 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
Are we sure AA is adding frequency on BOS-LHR and not just replacing a BA flight?


Yes, AA acquired a pair of slots at LHR.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:51 pm

Seems like a Friday evening knee jerk reaction and desire to throw out some news to the mediasphere to change the narrative.

We need to instead wait for a more calculated response of how AA rebuilds it South America network which as shown in Reply#5 by LAXintl is has seen many cities dropped in favor of LATAM codeshare access.

Regrowing in the region organically will be investment especially without a partner having AA's back or presence on the ground with a large client base sharing an affinity for the same alliance.
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:54 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Will AA venture back to markets its dropped such as ASU, LPB, CNF, CEB,POA, REC, SSA, etc which today can be reached with LATAM connection?

AA will also need to invest in ground facilities again - AAdmirals Clubs have closed in cities like BOG, SCL, LIM in favor of partner facilities.


Vasu at AA had said as soon as the economy improves in SA especially in Brazil that they will return to a lot of those cities.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:57 pm

For Latin America stuff. Now that latam is no longer an aa partner. The gloves are off. A lot of reasons for aa to add capacity and try to punish latam and push them off certain routes.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 2:58 pm

Yeh, because punishing a competitor is more important than making money when you've got the highest debt load and lowest margins among your competitor set.

They're not going to drive LATAM out of Miami - the O&D market is too large. They're not going to discourage DL from going through with the announced deal - it's strategic.
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:01 pm

United and Delta are so tiny in Latin America compared to AA. We can't deny that. They own that market.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:02 pm

BroadwayLimited wrote:
It’s called panic. They are being reactive, not proactive.


The same thing could be applied to DL buying part of LATAM. Or anything.
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:04 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Yeh, because punishing a competitor is more important than making money when you've got the highest debt load and lowest margins among your competitor set.

They're not going to drive LATAM out of Miami - the O&D market is too large. They're not going to discourage DL from going through with the announced deal - it's strategic.


Exactly. LATAM is not going anywhere.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:06 pm

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United and Delta are so tiny in Latin America compared to AA. We can't deny that. They own that market.

If looked at only from a US airline perspective yes. I do believe that combined, LATAM + DL is bigger than AA on US-South America.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:06 pm

It’s a positive sign to be growing again in BOS, but if they want to combat DL they’re going to need to do more than just that. It’s a shame that they gave up on a lot of the to point flying out of BOS that US used to do.

It was also announced Level will be flying between ORY-BOS.
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:08 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
Are we sure AA is adding frequency on BOS-LHR and not just replacing a BA flight?


Yes, AA acquired a pair of slots at LHR.

AA has dedicated BOS FF thanks also to LUS legacy. OW is also the strongest alliance at BOS thanks to carriers. This route will do well for AA. While DL slugs out at BOS, AA has the history of dedicated FFs. AA will continue to add new routes from BOS and who knows they will finally call BOS as their focus city.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:09 pm

Really surprised they’re going with a 772 so quickly... was expecting something smaller honestly.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:09 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
United and Delta are so tiny in Latin America compared to AA. We can't deny that. They own that market.


Not really accurate at all. UA is fairly large in Latin America. Houston is a major gateway for the airline to Central and South America (and the Caribbean too), and UA flies from ORD, IAD, EWR to GRU as well. UA has ties to COPA Airlines and AZUL and through Star Alliance, has connectivity with Avianca. UA is a lot bigger to the region than DL, which is the smallest of the 3.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:10 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
United and Delta are so tiny in Latin America compared to AA. We can't deny that. They own that market.

If looked at only from a US airline perspective yes. I do believe that combined, LATAM + DL is bigger than AA on US-South America.


No, it's not.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:15 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
BroadwayLimited wrote:
It’s called panic. They are being reactive, not proactive.


I doubt it is a knee jerk. They knew for a time the LATAM deal would not move ahead. Route planning isn't done at the snap of a finger.


:checkmark:

Exactly, you don't re-plan a network in a matter of days. Chances are this was already in the works given all of the route announcements by the major carriers in the past few months.
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:16 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
BroadwayLimited wrote:
It’s called panic. They are being reactive, not proactive.


I doubt it is a knee jerk. They knew for a time the LATAM deal would not move ahead. Route planning isn't done at the snap of a finger.


Announcing flights 15 months or more out with a nebulous start state ("winter 2020") sounds like a knee jerk reaction. Even the additional LIM flight feels that way since it's probably going to use a currently-idle 737-MAX8.
 
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Detroit313 wrote:
United and Delta are so tiny in Latin America compared to AA. We can't deny that. They own that market.


What do you think AA's Latin America passenger revenue is compared to UA and Delta? 300%? 400%?

From the annual reports, calendar year 2018, $millions:


AA, $5125 LatAm, $1602 Pacific

DL, $2888 million LatAm, $2543 Pacific

UA, $3460 LatAm, $5188 Pacific

So why does AA even try to compete TPAC when its revenue is ~1/4 of United's?
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:18 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
Yeh, because punishing a competitor is more important than making money when you've got the highest debt load and lowest margins among your competitor set.

They're not going to drive LATAM out of Miami - the O&D market is too large. They're not going to discourage DL from going through with the announced deal - it's strategic.


Exactly. LATAM is not going anywhere.


I dont think anyone is under the delusion that they are. But AA likely had passengers coming in and out of MIA domestically that connected on LA flights. Given the code sharing has ended, AA feels they can backfill LATAM with their own metal.

I'm unclear what people here expect AA to do. Just shrug and walk away?
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:24 pm

With LIM/SCL/GRU, all AA is doing is adding service back. AA operated these additional flights in the last, before reducing service, perhaps not coincidently, not long before applying for ATI with LATAM.

LAXintl wrote:
Will AA venture back to markets its dropped such as ASU, LPB, CNF, CEB,POA, REC, SSA, etc which today can be reached with LATAM connection?

AA will also need to invest in ground facilities again - AAdmirals Clubs have closed in cities like BOG, SCL, LIM in favor of partner facilities.


I absolutely think this is going to happen. Starting with Belo Horizonte and Bolivia.
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:27 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Really surprised they’re going with a 772 so quickly... was expecting something smaller honestly.


This will be to do with W pattern and other routes at LHR. So it's aircraft availability related.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:29 pm

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With LIM/SCL/GRU, all AA is doing is adding service back. AA operated these additional flights in the last, before reducing service, perhaps not coincidently, not long before applying for ATI with LATAM.


All AA did was upgrade the second daily MIA-SCL and third daily MIA-GRU flights from seasonal to year round. MIA-GRU was even running 4 flights a day at one point a few years ago. I wonder if they’ll make the second MIA-GIG and third MIA-EZE flights year round too. I also wonder if MIA-BOG will see a frequency boost or aircraft upgauge from the current 2 daily A319s. I can’t recall the last time AA operated MIA-LIM three times a day, though.

If AA really wanted to be competitive, they would get rid of the ancient 757s and 767s on their Latin American routes. Their strategy of dumping the worst equipment on MIA–Latin America because there was no serious competition just came back to bite them.
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:31 pm

Antarius wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
Yeh, because punishing a competitor is more important than making money when you've got the highest debt load and lowest margins among your competitor set.

They're not going to drive LATAM out of Miami - the O&D market is too large. They're not going to discourage DL from going through with the announced deal - it's strategic.


Exactly. LATAM is not going anywhere.


I dont think anyone is under the delusion that they are. But AA likely had passengers coming in and out of MIA domestically that connected on LA flights. Given the code sharing has ended, AA feels they can backfill LATAM with their own metal.

I'm unclear what people here expect AA to do. Just shrug and walk away?

That I agree with. To the extent that they had connections put on to LATAM flights and their own locally based OW customers in MIA, GRU, SCL and LIM who may have booked codeshares on LATAM, they are adding that capacity to keep those passengers in house.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:37 pm

Awesome move by AA showing commitment to MIA and that BOS hasn't been forgotten. JFK gets some much needs love and great news for ORD and DFW regarding those two flights and their performance.

We do get to see how bitter some posters are though and their bias to DL *popcorn*
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:39 pm

OB1504 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
With LIM/SCL/GRU, all AA is doing is adding service back. AA operated these additional flights in the last, before reducing service, perhaps not coincidently, not long before applying for ATI with LATAM.


All AA did was upgrade the second daily MIA-SCL and third daily MIA-GRU flights from seasonal to year round. MIA-GRU was even running 4 flights a day at one point a few years ago. I wonder if they’ll make the second MIA-GIG and third MIA-EZE flights year round too. I also wonder if MIA-BOG will see a frequency boost or aircraft upgauge from the current 2 daily A319s. I can’t recall the last time AA operated MIA-LIM three times a day, though.

If AA really wanted to be competitive, they would get rid of the ancient 757s and 767s on their Latin American routes. Their strategy of dumping the worst equipment on MIA–Latin America because there was no serious competition just came back to bite them.



Your last wish is coming soon with the 787s circa 2020 and 2021 and then what will be left to complain about?
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:40 pm

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Finally! The Latin America additions make sense and compensate for the loss of LATAM code shares. Most likely these were in the works as the AA/LATAM deal unraveled. Earlier start dates for JFK-FCO, ORD-BCN, and DFW-DUB are a sign these routes are working. BOS-LHR should work with the BA presence on the route, though against DL/VS, B6, they could be the odd one out but these are good developments.


This has to be great and welcome news to AA's pilots based out of MIA, gaining more flights to South America on AA metal is a win for them and it shows AA is serious about South America and it's just going to roll over and let DL and LATAM run over them. Knowing how long it took UA to secure a year around slot for DEN-LHR I think it is safe to assume AA has been working on obtaining a slot for BOS-LHR to some time but quitely behind the scenes I think AA will be just fine on this route the fact that they are launching it with a 77E and not a smaller widebody suggest AA sees potential and belives they can profitably fill up the aircraft. Personally I think AA/BA and DL/VS will be just fine on their BOS-LON I think B6 will have a problem because their flight to LON does not launch till 2021 at the earliest. ( I don't understand why B6 felt it necessary to announce BOS-LON two years before the launch). As far as FCO, BCN, and DUB starting a month earlier that isn't shocking I know UA is starting their seasonal flights to these destinations earlier by 2 weeks or more. These are popular destinations I think its a smart move to start these routes earlier in the spring instead of waiting till mid-spring before launching especially BCN. Looking at next years cruise ship schedule out of BCN the seasonal U.S. cruise lines like Royal Caribbean, Celebrity, Princess and Norwegian are all starting their BCN season 2-3 weeks earlier in April instead of May. UA's EWR-BCN is year around but IAD-BCN UA's only other flight to BCN will launch May 8th in 2020 earlier than it did this year. HoweverI think UA is missing out not only should this flight be launcing in April UA should be on ORD-BCN as well.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:40 pm

OB1504 wrote:
If AA really wanted to be competitive, they would get rid of the ancient 757s and 767s on their Latin American routes. Their strategy of dumping the worst equipment on MIA–Latin America because there was no serious competition just came back to bite them.


I do agree this is key, their 763s to some Latin American destinations is by far the least competitive product.
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:44 pm

OB1504 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
With LIM/SCL/GRU, all AA is doing is adding service back. AA operated these additional flights in the last, before reducing service, perhaps not coincidently, not long before applying for ATI with LATAM.


All AA did was upgrade the second daily MIA-SCL and third daily MIA-GRU flights from seasonal to year round. MIA-GRU was even running 4 flights a day at one point a few years ago. I wonder if they’ll make the second MIA-GIG and third MIA-EZE flights year round too. I also wonder if MIA-BOG will see a frequency boost or aircraft upgauge from the current 2 daily A319s. I can’t recall the last time AA operated MIA-LIM three times a day, though.

If AA really wanted to be competitive, they would get rid of the ancient 757s and 767s on their Latin American routes. Their strategy of dumping the worst equipment on MIA–Latin America because there was no serious competition just came back to bite them.


AA did reduce MIAGRU to 2x daily last year. Don’t remember when MIASCL last operated 2x but I don’t think it did this last winter. MIALIM was 3x as recently as around 2017. MIABOG is 3x most of the year outside of shoulder seasons.
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Mon Sep 30, 2019 3:45 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
With LIM/SCL/GRU, all AA is doing is adding service back. AA operated these additional flights in the last, before reducing service, perhaps not coincidently, not long before applying for ATI with LATAM.
LAXintl wrote:
Will AA venture back to markets its dropped such as ASU, LPB, CNF, CEB,POA, REC, SSA, etc which today can be reached with LATAM connection?
AA will also need to invest in ground facilities again - AAdmirals Clubs have closed in cities like BOG, SCL, LIM in favor of partner facilities.


I absolutely think this is going to happen. Starting with Belo Horizonte and Bolivia.


Here's me hoping for a CNF return. I did get an email from Vasu directly once when I wrote to him about the impact of the cancellation of MIA-CNF to our business. His reply was mostly about the economics of the flight that didn't make sense and hoping for the JV to kick in. I tend to dispute that. It makes no sense for the 3rd largest city in Brazil not to have AA service.
 
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Re: AA beefs up MIA - South America flights, returns to BOS-LHR and extends European schedules

Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:09 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
Are we sure AA is adding frequency on BOS-LHR and not just replacing a BA flight?


Yes, AA acquired a pair of slots at LHR.


Acquired from whom?
 
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Re: AA beefs up MIA - South America flights, returns to BOS-LHR and extends European schedules

Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:13 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
United and Delta are so tiny in Latin America compared to AA. We can't deny that. They own that market.

If looked at only from a US airline perspective yes. I do believe that combined, LATAM + DL is bigger than AA on US-South America.


If thats the case youd need to include CM or AV with UA.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BRING BACK THE PAYWALL!!!!
 
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Re: AA beefs up MIA - South America flights, returns to BOS-LHR and extends European schedules

Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:21 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
Are we sure AA is adding frequency on BOS-LHR and not just replacing a BA flight?


Yes, AA acquired a pair of slots at LHR.


Acquired from whom?



In 2017, AA acquired 2 daily slot pairs from SAS for an unannounced fee

In 2019, AA took control of the slots, and used 1 to launch Phoenix-London and leased the other to Finnair

Therefore, one can take a reasonable assumption that American will use this leased out slot to launch Boston-London Heathrow

AA will have 22 daily slots at LHR and will serve 10 destinations in Summer 2020
 
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Re: AA beefs up MIA - South America flights, returns to BOS-LHR and extends European schedules

Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:23 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
Are we sure AA is adding frequency on BOS-LHR and not just replacing a BA flight?


Yes, AA acquired a pair of slots at LHR.


Acquired from whom?

This is probably the slot pair that AA is acquiring from Finnair. They had mentioned that they were scheduled to receive a slot pair from Finnair next year, and this appears to be it.

That being said didn't see BOS coming at all from this management team who seems to be about retreat and only expanding hubs more than expanding outside of hubs. Of course LHR is a major station for them that they treat like a hub in many aspects so this could be a defend the turf move against not only B6, but against the DL-VS arrangement as well.

The MIA expansions are more about protecting MIA and Latin America from DL-LATAM than anything, but its important to note it just beefs up existing destinations and doesn't add anything new. GRU is noteworthy because of the AA Hangar that was built down there, and has been a point of contention between AA and the TWU/IAM association at the negotiating table.
 
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Re: AA beefs up MIA - South America flights, returns to BOS-LHR and extends European schedules

Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:25 pm

timfucius wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
With LIM/SCL/GRU, all AA is doing is adding service back. AA operated these additional flights in the last, before reducing service, perhaps not coincidently, not long before applying for ATI with LATAM.
LAXintl wrote:
Will AA venture back to markets its dropped such as ASU, LPB, CNF, CEB,POA, REC, SSA, etc which today can be reached with LATAM connection?
AA will also need to invest in ground facilities again - AAdmirals Clubs have closed in cities like BOG, SCL, LIM in favor of partner facilities.


I absolutely think this is going to happen. Starting with Belo Horizonte and Bolivia.


Here's me hoping for a CNF return. I did get an email from Vasu directly once when I wrote to him about the impact of the cancellation of MIA-CNF to our business. His reply was mostly about the economics of the flight that didn't make sense and hoping for the JV to kick in. I tend to dispute that. It makes no sense for the 3rd largest city in Brazil not to have AA service.


From what I've heard the secodary southern Brazilian flights do have difficult economics. The business pax prefer a double overnight schedule but the flight is not high-yielding enough to justify sucking up two aircraft. If you run a daytime flight in one direction, many of the business pax will still travel via GRU for the overnight schedule which makes the yields even worse. This is why LATAM and GOL have not shown much interest in these flights either.
 
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Re: AA beefs up MIA - South America flights, returns to BOS-LHR and extends European schedules

Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:34 pm

A 3rd daily AA flight MIA-GRU plus the plethora of other flights/airlines makes a heck of a seat offer for the route, doesn't it?
Does anyone have the stats about how many seats are available MIA-GRU-MIA all combined?

Well, anyway, welcome 3rd AA flight! The ticket price war says hello.

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