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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:53 am

Justjoshua wrote:
They were actually previously stored at HOU


There were 3 at IAH.
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:39 pm

UltimateDelta wrote:
United's just moved to GYR within the last month or so; previously they'd been at IAH and one other hub (LAX maybe? Not 100% sure).


GYR??? I just drove by there on Saturday and I didn't see a single one. Mind I was driving, along MC-85 (south side of the field), so might have missed them depending on where they're parked, but I recall seeing only one UA tail visible.
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:19 pm

USAirKid wrote:
JBoy wrote:
I know that Alaska Airlines has theirs stored at Moses Lake (MWH). I think they only have one at the moment.


Has AS accepted delivery of their 737MAXes? I know they were grounded before AS accepted their first one, so are these just Boeing’s 737MAXes that are destined for AS?


You are right, This plane will remain under Boeing's maintenance and care until the FAA lifts the grounding.
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:07 pm

albertocsc wrote:
LOT and Enter Air have some of them at WAW.

MalevA346 wrote:
I saw one at AGP - Malaga


It repositioned to ARN. But in first attempt, it was not allowed in German aerospace and needed to stay for two weeks in XCR.

LOT has moved 3 or 4 to Rzeszów in Poland.
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:13 pm

klm617 wrote:
The Sunwing planes are parked in Windsor.


As of September 26th there were 6 Air Canada plane at Windsor YQG, and no Sunwing.
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:31 pm

You can see most of the South West MAXs on Google Earth at George AFB (Victorville) east side apron. At least 20 of them there.

EDIT: There are 12 more (not sure if all MAX) just north west of that cluster too.
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:57 pm

klm617 wrote:
The Sunwing planes are parked in Windsor.


Sunwing has one in YHM along with one of WestJets.
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:00 pm

dmanonice wrote:
WestJet's are in YVR, YEG, YYC and YYZ. I believe that YEG and YYC recently swapped frames for ongoing maintenance and engine runs.


One is in YHM as well...
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:18 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
KFLLCFII wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
What are the parking costs in these cases? Considering that car parking lots can charge say $20 per hour, a parked plane is $1000 per hour?


That's assuming their E-ZPasses even work properly.


:D

Seriously. What does it cost to park all those MAXes?

Ha ha good one on the E-Z pass. Depending on where they're parking them, there are probably variable costs:

Employee parking lot: morale
FBO ramp: $hundreds/day/plane
MWH: probably cheap, my guess is they signed a bulk contract for a taxiway
PAE: less cheap, likely also a bulk deal (runway 11/29 was closed for 787 parking for a while, so I'm sure there's something there)
RNT: they already own/operate lots of the parking, but it seems every spare postage stamp has a MAX parked on it. I bet the airport is making decent money on it. Thankfully, they've not started parking on taxiway B yet, like they did when the engines were late.
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:27 pm

OMAAbound wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Why are they flying them to TLS?


Read the article below, it’s just to protect them from the harsh Icelandic winter

OMAA

https://www.icelandreview.com/news/ther ... g-to-fear/

Thanks for the information.

But it’s kind of strange for me. There are several airports in Europe for storing aircraft. However, I never heard that TLS is one of them. Yes, there is a small company there and they store aircraft there if they cannot deliver them quickly for whatever reasons. But besides that I have never seen that TLS is used as a storage airport. Just saying...
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:44 pm

N14AZ wrote:
OMAAbound wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Why are they flying them to TLS?


Read the article below, it’s just to protect them from the harsh Icelandic winter

OMAA

https://www.icelandreview.com/news/ther ... g-to-fear/

Thanks for the information.

But it’s kind of strange for me. There are several airports in Europe for storing aircraft. However, I never heard that TLS is one of them. Yes, there is a small company there and they store aircraft there if they cannot deliver them quickly for whatever reasons. But besides that I have never seen that TLS is used as a storage airport. Just saying...


The frames will be stored in Toulouse, but not in TLS or Toulouse Blagnac airport. What airport was not mentioned.
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:57 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
OMAAbound wrote:

Read the article below, it’s just to protect them from the harsh Icelandic winter

OMAA

https://www.icelandreview.com/news/ther ... g-to-fear/

Thanks for the information.

But it’s kind of strange for me. There are several airports in Europe for storing aircraft. However, I never heard that TLS is one of them. Yes, there is a small company there and they store aircraft there if they cannot deliver them quickly for whatever reasons. But besides that I have never seen that TLS is used as a storage airport. Just saying...


The frames will be stored in Toulouse, but not in TLS or Toulouse Blagnac airport. What airport was not mentioned.

Well, there aren't too many airports in the "greater" Toulouse area. Besides Toulouse-Blagnac (TLS), there is Toulouse-Francazal Airport (LFBF, ATR has a Maintenance Facility there, and ASI Maintenance is there too) and... that's pretty much it.
So, if the 737MAX can land at Francazal, that might be where they're going; if not, it's Blagnac.
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:49 pm

You'll have to forgive my crappy .csv export of an excel pivot table. In descending order of operator size:

Southwest Airlines,34
Victorville Southern California Logistics Airport,34

American Airlines,24
Roswell International Air Center,10
Tulsa International Airport,14

China Southern Airlines,24
Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport,11
Lanzhou Zhongchuan Airport,1
Urumqi Diwopu International Airport,12

Air Canada,24
Marana Pinal Airpark,8
Montreal Trudeau International Airport,1
Trois-Rivieres Airport,3
Vancouver International Airport,2
Windsor International Airport,7
Winnipeg International Airport,3

Air China,16
Beijing Capital International Airport,10
Chongqing Jiangbei International Airport,5
Tianjin Binhai International Airport,1
United Airlines,14
Phoenix Goodyear Municipal,14

flydubai,14
Al Maktoum International,3
Dubai International Airport,10
Piedmont Triad International Airport,1

WestJet,13
Calgary International Airport,7
Edmonton International Airport,2
Hamilton - John C. Munro International Airport,1
Toronto Pearson International Airport,1
Vancouver International Airport,2

SpiceJet,13
Chennai International Airport,2
Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport,1
Delhi Indira Gandhi International Airport,5
Hyderabad Rajiv Gandhi International Airport,1
Kempegowda International Airport Bengaluru,1
Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose International Airport,1
Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel International Airport,2

Turkish Airlines,12
Istanbul Airport,10
Istanbul Ataturk Airport,2

Shanghai Airlines,11
Lanzhou Zhongchuan Airport,3
Taiyuan Wusu International Airport,8
Hainan Airlines,11
Lanzhou Zhongchuan Airport,2
Linfen Qiaoli Airport,2
Ordos Ejin Horo Airport,5
Taiyuan Wusu International Airport,2

Xiamen Airlines,10
Lanzhou Zhongchuan Airport,8
Yinchuan-Hedong,2

Lion Air,10
Makassar - Sultan Hasanuddin Airport,1
"Manado - Sam Ratulangi, Indonesia",1
Ngurah Rai International Airport,2
Soekarno - Hatta International Airport,6

Norwegian Air International,9
Dublin Airport,2
Edinburgh Airport,1
Gran Canaria Airport,1
Helsinki Airport,2
Kittila Airport,1
Oslo Airport Gardermoen,1
Tenerife South Airport,1

Shandong Airlines,7
Hotan Airport,1
Jinan Yaoqiang International Airport,3
Qingdao Liuting International Airport,1
Unknown (Qingdao?),2

Smartwings,7
Katowice Airport,1
Prague Airport,6

GECAS (ex-Jet Airways),7
Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport,1
Hyderabad Rajiv Gandhi International Airport,2
King County International Airport,3
Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose International Airport,1

GOL,7
Tancredo Neves International Airport,7

Copa Airlines,6
Panama City - Tocumen International Airport,6

SilkAir,6
Alice Springs Airport,1
Singapore Changi Airport,5

Icelandair,6
Keflavik International Airport,5
King County International Airport,1

TUI UK,6
Manchester Airport,5
Tenerife South Airport,1

Aeromexico,6
Mexico City International Airport,6

Norwegian,6
Copenhagen Kastrup Airport,2
Oslo Airport Gardermoen,2
Stockholm Arlanda Airport,2

Aerolineas Argentinas,5
Buenos Aires Aeroparque Jorge Newbery,4
Buenos Aires Ezeiza International Airport,1

LOT Polish Airlines,5
Lublin Airport,4
Warsaw Chopin Airport,1

Shenzhen Airlines,5
Nanjing Lukou International Airport,1
Shenzhen Bao'an International Airport,4

Air Italy,5
King County International Airport,2
Milan Malpensa Airport,3

Oman Air,5
Muscat International Airport,5

Sunwing Airlines,4
Hamilton - John C. Munro International Airport,2
Toronto Pearson International Airport,2

TUI fly Belgium,4
Brussels Airport,4

Ethiopian Airlines,4
Addis Ababa Bole International Airport,4

Lucky Air,3
Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport,1
Kunming Changshui International Airport,2

China Eastern Yunnan,3
Kunming Changshui International Airport,3

Thai Lion Air,3
Don Mueang International Airport,2
Subang - Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah Airport,1

TUI Airlines Nederland,3
Amsterdam Airport Schiphol,3

Norwegian Air Sweden,3
Copenhagen Kastrup Airport,1
Oslo Airport Gardermoen,1
Stockholm Arlanda Airport,1

TUIFly Nordic,2
Stockholm Arlanda Airport,2

Fiji Airways,2
Nadi International Airport,2

Enter Air,2
Rzeszow-Jasionka Airport,1
Warsaw Chopin Airport,1

Fuzhou Airlines,2
Fuzhou Changle International Airport,1
Xi'an Xianyang International Airport,1

Eastar Jet,2
Seoul Incheon International Airport,2

Kunming Airlines,2
Kunming Changshui International Airport,2

Okay Airways,2
Tianjin Binhai International Airport,2

Cayman Airways,2
Georgetown Cheddi Jagan International Airport,2

Globus,2
Novosibirsk Tolmachevo Airport,2

Royal Air Maroc,2
Casablanca Mohammed V Airport,2

Comair (South Africa),1
Johannesburg O.R. Tambo International Airport,1

SMBC Aviation Capital (ex-Jet Airways),1
Cochin International Airport,1

Mauritania Airlines,1
Nouakchott,1

MIAT - Mongolian Airlines,1
Ulan Bator Chinggis Khaan International Airport,1

Brilliant Aviation Ltd,1
EuroAirport Basel-Mulhouse-Freiburg,1

SCAT,1
Almaty International Airport,1

Corendon Airlines,1
Antalya Airport,1

9 Air,1
Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport,1

Garuda Indonesia,1
Soekarno - Hatta International Airport,1

F & L Aviation III LLC,1
Indianapolis International Airport,1

Grand Total,385
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:22 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Thanks for the information.

But it’s kind of strange for me. There are several airports in Europe for storing aircraft. However, I never heard that TLS is one of them. Yes, there is a small company there and they store aircraft there if they cannot deliver them quickly for whatever reasons. But besides that I have never seen that TLS is used as a storage airport. Just saying...


The frames will be stored in Toulouse, but not in TLS or Toulouse Blagnac airport. What airport was not mentioned.

Well, there aren't too many airports in the "greater" Toulouse area. Besides Toulouse-Blagnac (TLS), there is Toulouse-Francazal Airport (LFBF, ATR has a Maintenance Facility there, and ASI Maintenance is there too) and... that's pretty much it.
So, if the 737MAX can land at Francazal, that might be where they're going; if not, it's Blagnac.


runway 1800 x 45 m, that should be plenty
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:42 pm

wrongwayup wrote:
You'll have to forgive my crappy .csv export of an excel pivot table. In descending order of operator size:

Southwest Airlines,34
Victorville Southern California Logistics Airport,34

American Airlines,24
Roswell International Air Center,10
Tulsa International Airport,14

China Southern Airlines,24
Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport,11
Lanzhou Zhongchuan Airport,1
Urumqi Diwopu International Airport,12

Air Canada,24
Marana Pinal Airpark,8
Montreal Trudeau International Airport,1
Trois-Rivieres Airport,3
Vancouver International Airport,2
Windsor International Airport,7
Winnipeg International Airport,3

Air China,16
Beijing Capital International Airport,10
Chongqing Jiangbei International Airport,5
Tianjin Binhai International Airport,1
United Airlines,14
Phoenix Goodyear Municipal,14

flydubai,14
Al Maktoum International,3
Dubai International Airport,10
Piedmont Triad International Airport,1

WestJet,13
Calgary International Airport,7
Edmonton International Airport,2
Hamilton - John C. Munro International Airport,1
Toronto Pearson International Airport,1
Vancouver International Airport,2

SpiceJet,13
Chennai International Airport,2
Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport,1
Delhi Indira Gandhi International Airport,5
Hyderabad Rajiv Gandhi International Airport,1
Kempegowda International Airport Bengaluru,1
Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose International Airport,1
Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel International Airport,2

Turkish Airlines,12
Istanbul Airport,10
Istanbul Ataturk Airport,2

Shanghai Airlines,11
Lanzhou Zhongchuan Airport,3
Taiyuan Wusu International Airport,8
Hainan Airlines,11
Lanzhou Zhongchuan Airport,2
Linfen Qiaoli Airport,2
Ordos Ejin Horo Airport,5
Taiyuan Wusu International Airport,2

Xiamen Airlines,10
Lanzhou Zhongchuan Airport,8
Yinchuan-Hedong,2

Lion Air,10
Makassar - Sultan Hasanuddin Airport,1
"Manado - Sam Ratulangi, Indonesia",1
Ngurah Rai International Airport,2
Soekarno - Hatta International Airport,6

Norwegian Air International,9
Dublin Airport,2
Edinburgh Airport,1
Gran Canaria Airport,1
Helsinki Airport,2
Kittila Airport,1
Oslo Airport Gardermoen,1
Tenerife South Airport,1

Shandong Airlines,7
Hotan Airport,1
Jinan Yaoqiang International Airport,3
Qingdao Liuting International Airport,1
Unknown (Qingdao?),2

Smartwings,7
Katowice Airport,1
Prague Airport,6

GECAS (ex-Jet Airways),7
Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport,1
Hyderabad Rajiv Gandhi International Airport,2
King County International Airport,3
Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose International Airport,1

GOL,7
Tancredo Neves International Airport,7

Copa Airlines,6
Panama City - Tocumen International Airport,6

SilkAir,6
Alice Springs Airport,1
Singapore Changi Airport,5

Icelandair,6
Keflavik International Airport,5
King County International Airport,1

TUI UK,6
Manchester Airport,5
Tenerife South Airport,1

Aeromexico,6
Mexico City International Airport,6

Norwegian,6
Copenhagen Kastrup Airport,2
Oslo Airport Gardermoen,2
Stockholm Arlanda Airport,2

Aerolineas Argentinas,5
Buenos Aires Aeroparque Jorge Newbery,4
Buenos Aires Ezeiza International Airport,1

LOT Polish Airlines,5
Lublin Airport,4
Warsaw Chopin Airport,1

Shenzhen Airlines,5
Nanjing Lukou International Airport,1
Shenzhen Bao'an International Airport,4

Air Italy,5
King County International Airport,2
Milan Malpensa Airport,3

Oman Air,5
Muscat International Airport,5

Sunwing Airlines,4
Hamilton - John C. Munro International Airport,2
Toronto Pearson International Airport,2

TUI fly Belgium,4
Brussels Airport,4

Ethiopian Airlines,4
Addis Ababa Bole International Airport,4

Lucky Air,3
Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport,1
Kunming Changshui International Airport,2

China Eastern Yunnan,3
Kunming Changshui International Airport,3

Thai Lion Air,3
Don Mueang International Airport,2
Subang - Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah Airport,1

TUI Airlines Nederland,3
Amsterdam Airport Schiphol,3

Norwegian Air Sweden,3
Copenhagen Kastrup Airport,1
Oslo Airport Gardermoen,1
Stockholm Arlanda Airport,1

TUIFly Nordic,2
Stockholm Arlanda Airport,2

Fiji Airways,2
Nadi International Airport,2

Enter Air,2
Rzeszow-Jasionka Airport,1
Warsaw Chopin Airport,1

Fuzhou Airlines,2
Fuzhou Changle International Airport,1
Xi'an Xianyang International Airport,1

Eastar Jet,2
Seoul Incheon International Airport,2

Kunming Airlines,2
Kunming Changshui International Airport,2

Okay Airways,2
Tianjin Binhai International Airport,2

Cayman Airways,2
Georgetown Cheddi Jagan International Airport,2

Globus,2
Novosibirsk Tolmachevo Airport,2

Royal Air Maroc,2
Casablanca Mohammed V Airport,2

Comair (South Africa),1
Johannesburg O.R. Tambo International Airport,1

SMBC Aviation Capital (ex-Jet Airways),1
Cochin International Airport,1

Mauritania Airlines,1
Nouakchott,1

MIAT - Mongolian Airlines,1
Ulan Bator Chinggis Khaan International Airport,1

Brilliant Aviation Ltd,1
EuroAirport Basel-Mulhouse-Freiburg,1

SCAT,1
Almaty International Airport,1

Corendon Airlines,1
Antalya Airport,1

9 Air,1
Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport,1

Garuda Indonesia,1
Soekarno - Hatta International Airport,1

F & L Aviation III LLC,1
Indianapolis International Airport,1

Grand Total,385


Impressive work, thanks for sharing with us.
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:17 pm

QB737 wrote:
wrongwayup wrote:
You'll have to forgive my crappy .csv export of an excel pivot table. In descending order of operator size:



Impressive work, thanks for sharing with us.


That list appears to missing the 60+ 737 Maxs stored at Kelly Field/San Antonio...including Norwegian, SCAT, Air Canada, Ethiopian, etc.
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:21 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Thanks for the information.

But it’s kind of strange for me. There are several airports in Europe for storing aircraft. However, I never heard that TLS is one of them. Yes, there is a small company there and they store aircraft there if they cannot deliver them quickly for whatever reasons. But besides that I have never seen that TLS is used as a storage airport. Just saying...


The frames will be stored in Toulouse, but not in TLS or Toulouse Blagnac airport. What airport was not mentioned.

Well, there aren't too many airports in the "greater" Toulouse area. Besides Toulouse-Blagnac (TLS), there is Toulouse-Francazal Airport (LFBF, ATR has a Maintenance Facility there, and ASI Maintenance is there too) and... that's pretty much it.
So, if the 737MAX can land at Francazal, that might be where they're going; if not, it's Blagnac.


Airbus stores aircraft (and does aircraft testing) at LDE - Tarbes Lourdes, this would be my guess its 125km from Toulouse.
BV
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:23 pm

wrongwayup wrote:
You'll have to forgive my crappy .csv export of an excel pivot table. In descending order of operator size:



Quality post..

Do you or anybody else have any idea how many undelivered MAX aircraft Boeing has spread around Paine field etc
BV
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:27 am

modernArt wrote:
QB737 wrote:
wrongwayup wrote:
You'll have to forgive my crappy .csv export of an excel pivot table. In descending order of operator size:



Impressive work, thanks for sharing with us.


That list appears to missing the 60+ 737 Maxs stored at Kelly Field/San Antonio...including Norwegian, SCAT, Air Canada, Ethiopian, etc.


These are aircraft delivered to and stored by airlines. The pre-delivery ones painted in customer liveries but still owend by Boeing are not included. PS, we are talking more than just 60+, there are hundreds of them by now.
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:52 am

Virtual737 wrote:
You can see most of the South West MAXs on Google Earth at George AFB (Victorville) east side apron. At least 20 of them there.

EDIT: There are 12 more (not sure if all MAX) just north west of that cluster too.


The Southwest aircraft visible on Google Earth are not the 7M8, they're the retired 733s, as well as (I believe) some of the remaining retired 735s. There is one 73G as well.
All opinions and views expressed are my own and not representative of those of Southwest Airlines Co., its subsidiaries, or affiliates.
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:07 am

BoeingVista wrote:
wrongwayup wrote:
You'll have to forgive my crappy .csv export of an excel pivot table. In descending order of operator size:



Quality post..

Do you or anybody else have any idea how many undelivered MAX aircraft Boeing has spread around Paine field etc


Tyke's Boeing blog keeps an up-to-date list of them. I expect everyone here will already have the site bookmarked though. https://tykesaeroblog.blogspot.com/p/737-max-storage.html
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:21 am

Wish there was a bunch parked at KBOS or KMHT either one i could very easily drive to (As i live within 3 miles exactly dead center between the 2 airports), to go "visit" them lol.
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:50 am

I seem to recall that there was some WestJet Max's at Kelowna Flightcraft early in the grounding for some work. Have anymore been cycled through?
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:33 am

Was in Nandi Fiji 2 weeks ago, 2 Fiji Airways Max 8's parked out side the hanger in Nandi. Not sure how many max's they have on order.
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:42 am

N14AZ wrote:
OMAAbound wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Why are they flying them to TLS?


Read the article below, it’s just to protect them from the harsh Icelandic winter

OMAA

https://www.icelandreview.com/news/ther ... g-to-fear/

Thanks for the information.

But it’s kind of strange for me. There are several airports in Europe for storing aircraft. However, I never heard that TLS is one of them. Yes, there is a small company there and they store aircraft there if they cannot deliver them quickly for whatever reasons. But besides that I have never seen that TLS is used as a storage airport. Just saying...


Toulouse Francazal is a big storage, maintenance, scrapping and painting site. Tons of ATRs and loads of A320s parked up usually. One of the facilities does work for Embraer. Alas, I have never seen a Boeing there.
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:53 am

Was in Fiji 2 weeks ago. 2 Max 8's parked on both sides of the Fiji Airways Hangers.
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:31 am

BoeingVista wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
mjoelnir wrote:

The frames will be stored in Toulouse, but not in TLS or Toulouse Blagnac airport. What airport was not mentioned.

Well, there aren't too many airports in the "greater" Toulouse area. Besides Toulouse-Blagnac (TLS), there is Toulouse-Francazal Airport (LFBF, ATR has a Maintenance Facility there, and ASI Maintenance is there too) and... that's pretty much it.
So, if the 737MAX can land at Francazal, that might be where they're going; if not, it's Blagnac.


Airbus stores aircraft (and does aircraft testing) at LDE - Tarbes Lourdes, this would be my guess its 125km from Toulouse.

TLS-LDE is 160+km by road; not really what I call short distance, I do not consider LDE to be part of the greater Toulouse area.
Also, as you mention, LDE is a well-known airport for aircraft maintenance, storage, testing and even manufacturing (Daher is located there); and the city of Lourdes is well-known in Europe (with Bernadette Soubirous and the apparitions, it's the 4th Catholic site in the World in terms of visitors). So, if those planes were heading for LDE, I would expect Lourdes, Tarbes or Pau to have been mentioned; not Toulouse.
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:56 pm

juliuswong wrote:
Thai Lion Air B737MAX-9 HS-LSI is now stored at SZB, looking very grim due to tropical climate. Not the best place to store aircraft.

Lion Air B737MAX 8 are stored at various airport in Indonesia. Here are two at Bali.
https://bali.tribunnews.com/2019/03/13/ ... at-reguler

Garuda Indonesia stored their sole MAX at CGK I believe.

Silk Air sent theirs to Alice Springs Airport, Australia recently. News article on their arrival at ASP.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-01/ ... s/11560082

Forgot where I saw it, but I've seen someone posted about a JT 7M8 being ferried to CGK. It was flown at a very low altitude (around FL180) though, maybe full hand flying?

As for DY, I remember seeing 3/4 near T2 and at least 4 near T5's F-pier (around the place where they parked the Caravelle) at ARN. I think I also saw 2/3 at HEL (on the ramp between 22R and 22L) and 1 at TXL.
 
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:11 pm

I was in Windsor (YQG) last month and the Sunwing frames were no longer there. Air Canada did still have 7 frames stored there though.
 
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:20 pm

I've seen a couple of the Sunwing frames in YYZ recently, including Planet Hollywood. 2 WestJet frames seem to be in long term storage at YYZ (one at the FedEx ramp, the other at the infield facility).
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:35 pm

Can confirm four from LOT are at Lublin. Last time I was there three were on the western apron, and one was parked in the corner of the main apron.
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:48 pm

VSMUT wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
OMAAbound wrote:

Read the article below, it’s just to protect them from the harsh Icelandic winter

OMAA

https://www.icelandreview.com/news/ther ... g-to-fear/

Thanks for the information.

But it’s kind of strange for me. There are several airports in Europe for storing aircraft. However, I never heard that TLS is one of them. Yes, there is a small company there and they store aircraft there if they cannot deliver them quickly for whatever reasons. But besides that I have never seen that TLS is used as a storage airport. Just saying...


Toulouse Francazal is a big storage, maintenance, scrapping and painting site. Tons of ATRs and loads of A320s parked up usually. One of the facilities does work for Embraer. Alas, I have never seen a Boeing there.


They'll be at Tarmac Aerosave in Francazal. If they get there cause it seems French authorities are asking for more permissions etc...
 
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:29 pm

Scarebus34 wrote:
FX1816 wrote:
UltimateDelta wrote:
United's just moved to GYR within the last month or so; previously they'd been at IAH and one other hub (LAX maybe? Not 100% sure).


I saw two UAL B39M's at LAX as recently as July 28.

I must applaud you for correctly using B39M.


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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:31 pm

KDAL wrote:
Virtual737 wrote:
You can see most of the South West MAXs on Google Earth at George AFB (Victorville) east side apron. At least 20 of them there.

EDIT: There are 12 more (not sure if all MAX) just north west of that cluster too.


The Southwest aircraft visible on Google Earth are not the 7M8, they're the retired 733s, as well as (I believe) some of the remaining retired 735s. There is one 73G as well.


There ARE over 20 SWA B38M's parked up at VCV to go along with the retired B733's. VCV has no former SWA B735's.
 
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:58 pm

Looked through the comments, and I may have missed it, so I apologize if I'm repeating info. Last June I spotted several AA Maxes in ROW.
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:55 pm

FX1816 wrote:
KDAL wrote:
Virtual737 wrote:
You can see most of the South West MAXs on Google Earth at George AFB (Victorville) east side apron. At least 20 of them there.

EDIT: There are 12 more (not sure if all MAX) just north west of that cluster too.


The Southwest aircraft visible on Google Earth are not the 7M8, they're the retired 733s, as well as (I believe) some of the remaining retired 735s. There is one 73G as well.


There ARE over 20 SWA B38M's parked up at VCV to go along with the retired B733's. VCV has no former SWA B735's.

I'm well aware that all 34 of the WN 7M8s are currently in long-term storage at VCV. I was pointing out that they are not visible on Google Earth. The imagery was taken before the grounding.

The images were taken last year, at the latest. They still show the former Arizona One sitting on the apron, which has been in Peru since December.
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:01 pm

TUI has some at Brussels
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:32 pm

KDAL wrote:
FX1816 wrote:
KDAL wrote:

The Southwest aircraft visible on Google Earth are not the 7M8, they're the retired 733s, as well as (I believe) some of the remaining retired 735s. There is one 73G as well.


There ARE over 20 SWA B38M's parked up at VCV to go along with the retired B733's. VCV has no former SWA B735's.

I'm well aware that all 34 of the WN 7M8s are currently in long-term storage at VCV. I was pointing out that they are not visible on Google Earth. The imagery was taken before the grounding.

The images were taken last year, at the latest. They still show the former Arizona One sitting on the apron, which has been in Peru since December.


They are parked on the ramp between Million Air and the 2 large Paint Hangars.
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:42 pm

FX1816 wrote:
KDAL wrote:
FX1816 wrote:

There ARE over 20 SWA B38M's parked up at VCV to go along with the retired B733's. VCV has no former SWA B735's.

I'm well aware that all 34 of the WN 7M8s are currently in long-term storage at VCV. I was pointing out that they are not visible on Google Earth. The imagery was taken before the grounding.

The images were taken last year, at the latest. They still show the former Arizona One sitting on the apron, which has been in Peru since December.


They are parked on the ramp between Million Air and the 2 large Paint Hangars.

They may very well be parked there. But again, the WN aircraft that are visible from the satellite view of Google Earth / Google Maps are not the Max. Unfortunately I don't know how to link a screengrab here, but you can tell the ones on Google are too short to be the Max and also not the right paint scheme. All of the Max aircraft are in the Heart livery, whereas the majority of the aircraft visible on Google are in the Spirit livery.
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:16 am

KDAL wrote:
FX1816 wrote:
KDAL wrote:
I'm well aware that all 34 of the WN 7M8s are currently in long-term storage at VCV. I was pointing out that they are not visible on Google Earth. The imagery was taken before the grounding.

The images were taken last year, at the latest. They still show the former Arizona One sitting on the apron, which has been in Peru since December.


They are parked on the ramp between Million Air and the 2 large Paint Hangars.

They may very well be parked there. But again, the WN aircraft that are visible from the satellite view of Google Earth / Google Maps are not the Max. Unfortunately I don't know how to link a screengrab here, but you can tell the ones on Google are too short to be the Max and also not the right paint scheme. All of the Max aircraft are in the Heart livery, whereas the majority of the aircraft visible on Google are in the Spirit livery.


KDAL is right and I am wrong. The Google Earth image date is 26th August 2018. No reason for so many MAX to be there at that time.
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:58 pm

KDAL wrote:
FX1816 wrote:
KDAL wrote:
I'm well aware that all 34 of the WN 7M8s are currently in long-term storage at VCV. I was pointing out that they are not visible on Google Earth. The imagery was taken before the grounding.

The images were taken last year, at the latest. They still show the former Arizona One sitting on the apron, which has been in Peru since December.


They are parked on the ramp between Million Air and the 2 large Paint Hangars.

They may very well be parked there. But again, the WN aircraft that are visible from the satellite view of Google Earth / Google Maps are not the Max. Unfortunately I don't know how to link a screengrab here, but you can tell the ones on Google are too short to be the Max and also not the right paint scheme. All of the Max aircraft are in the Heart livery, whereas the majority of the aircraft visible on Google are in the Spirit livery.


You really need to settle down, they ARE parked there. I'm not disputing Google maps, it stills shows my backyard as all dirt but I built it up over 5 years ago. I am just confirming that they B38M's are there and since I live about 3 miles from VCV I CAN CONFIRM IT. Again take a deep breath and relax.
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:53 pm

FX1816 wrote:
KDAL wrote:
FX1816 wrote:

They are parked on the ramp between Million Air and the 2 large Paint Hangars.

They may very well be parked there. But again, the WN aircraft that are visible from the satellite view of Google Earth / Google Maps are not the Max. Unfortunately I don't know how to link a screengrab here, but you can tell the ones on Google are too short to be the Max and also not the right paint scheme. All of the Max aircraft are in the Heart livery, whereas the majority of the aircraft visible on Google are in the Spirit livery.


You really need to settle down, they ARE parked there. I'm not disputing Google maps, it stills shows my backyard as all dirt but I built it up over 5 years ago. I am just confirming that they B38M's are there and since I live about 3 miles from VCV I CAN CONFIRM IT. Again take a deep breath and relax.

We appear to have walked into a misunderstanding, as it were.

I was certainly not unsettled or upset, I apologize if I gave that impression.

Seems as though I thought you were arguing that they were visible on Google maps and you thought I was arguing that they were not there at all. So to that end - yes, they are all at VCV. Last I knew they were all bunched up on the apron, somewhere. But that's been quite some time ago so you definitely have a better idea of where they are at the airport.

As a side note - color me jealous of you living so close to VCV. Maybe it makes me a bit of a geek but I've always been fascinated by that place and I wish I could see it!
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:14 am

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You'll have to forgive my crappy .csv export of an excel pivot table. In descending order of operator size:

Norwegian Air International,9

Kittila Airport,1



KIttilä AIrport, 0
EI-FYF was ferried to OSL on 27AUG19
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:54 am

Just in case anybody missed it. There is an airplane scrapping facility very close to Toulouse. And the Alice Springs location is also more commonly known as a graveyard and scrapping facility. :stirthepot:
 
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Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:06 pm

UltimateDelta wrote:
United's just moved to GYR within the last month or so; previously they'd been at IAH and one other hub (LAX maybe? Not 100% sure).


That is correct. The majority was stored at HOU, leaving a few at IAH, and LAX all until they were ferried to GYR last month.
 
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Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:18 pm

oschkosch wrote:
Just in case anybody missed it. There is an airplane scrapping facility very close to Toulouse. And the Alice Springs location is also more commonly known as a graveyard and scrapping facility. :stirthepot:



Haven’t seen any scrapping going on at Alice springs. At least the time’s I’ve been there.


TBH I thought the joint would be chockers it’s a great spot to store planes and there’s a lot of room to do it.
 
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Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:32 pm

oschkosch wrote:
Just in case anybody missed it. There is an airplane scrapping facility very close to Toulouse. And the Alice Springs location is also more commonly known as a graveyard and scrapping facility. :stirthepot:

These are multi-million dollar assets, they will not be scrapped.

To suggest otherwise is not just a reach, it is an absurdity.
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Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:56 pm

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These are multi-million dollar assets, they will not be scrapped.

So were the A318's of Frontier Airlines.

Boeing has made a big mistake with the Max. With all the money lost so far, they could have designed a new aircraft. They'd better get rid of the Max all together.
 
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Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:17 pm

Does anyone know who is going to get the two Jet Airways 737 Maxes sitting at BFI? It's kind of hard to see the titles from the freeway, but they're definitely in Jet's livery.
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Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:25 pm

Qf648 wrote:
oschkosch wrote:
Just in case anybody missed it. There is an airplane scrapping facility very close to Toulouse. And the Alice Springs location is also more commonly known as a graveyard and scrapping facility. :stirthepot:



Haven’t seen any scrapping going on at Alice springs. At least the time’s I’ve been there.


TBH I thought the joint would be chockers it’s a great spot to store planes and there’s a lot of room to do it.


wikipedia.org quote:

On 27 May 2011 it was announced that Alice Springs Airport had been selected to be the first large-scale aircraft boneyard outside the United States.[8]

The facility, which commenced operation in June 2014,[9] is operated by Asia Pacific Aircraft Storage Ltd. APAS chose Alice Springs because its dry, arid climate is perfect for aircraft storage and preservation. The facility will store commercial aircraft not in use, as well as those planes that have been decommissioned from service and which will be stripped of parts to be recycled, such as engines, electronics and wiring.

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