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Alitalia launching SFO

Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:56 pm

Alitalia plans to introduce Rome-San Francisco route on board Boeing 777-200ER aircraft.

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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:04 pm

Lets see how this resumption will work out this time.

But only 5-month seasonal route should be low risk.
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:04 pm

Haven't they flown there in the past too? I believe this route has been cut in the past after one of their many bankruptcies.

They might not have any competition on the route to San Francisco, however Norwegian flies Rome to Oakland which is practically the same. How will they successfully compete against Norwegian? Or are they betting on Norwegian pulling out of this route?
 
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:07 pm

It will do well this time, Amalfi, Positano and Capri have turned into the hot tourist spot.


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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:20 pm

Good to see them expanding; it seems SFO is a hotspot for transatlantic expansions in the last couple of years.
Practical question: Would it have made more sense to try for SEA given the higher number of onward DL connections there?
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:22 pm

A short 5-month schedule should do fine generating tourist crowds from both ends.

Suspect the AZ online premium cabin upgrade bids might be rather cheap on the route. Certainly not going to attract much business demand 3x weekly in the summer for the front cabin.

BWIAirport wrote:
Good to see them expanding; it seems SFO is a hotspot for transatlantic expansions in the last couple of years.
Practical question: Would it have made more sense to try for SEA given the higher number of onward DL connections there?


Its not about connections. AZ has other US gateways for that. Its about local demand. SF is a popular tourist destination for Europeans, while Italy is a very easy sell from the U.S. end in the summer.
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:23 pm

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PatrickZ80 wrote:
Haven't they flown there in the past too? I believe this route has been cut in the past after one of their many bankruptcies.

They might not have any competition on the route to San Francisco, however Norwegian flies Rome to Oakland which is practically the same. How will they successfully compete against Norwegian? Or are they betting on Norwegian pulling out of this route?


Yes, prior service from San Francisco was to Milan with the 767-300. It was dropped just after 9/11
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:05 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
Haven't they flown there in the past too? I believe this route has been cut in the past after one of their many bankruptcies.

They might not have any competition on the route to San Francisco, however Norwegian flies Rome to Oakland which is practically the same. How will they successfully compete against Norwegian? Or are they betting on Norwegian pulling out of this route?

If they're flying Rome to SFO? They're not competing on anything but Price. OAK has a ton of service for sure. But It's Still Oakland.
They're flying to SFO for more than SFO. They're probably flying there for the "Contingencies" The What If's. As Many international carriers do.
Nothing wrong with OAK. But SFO is where the Major International Airlines congregate. Not Hyperbole, Just Fact..
 
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Tue Oct 01, 2019 7:51 pm

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mercure1 wrote:
Lets see how this resumption will work out this time.

But only 5-month seasonal route should be low risk.


They haven't ever resumed service before. This has not come and gone repeatedly. It came once and went once...
 
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:20 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
If they're flying Rome to SFO? They're not competing on anything but Price. OAK has a ton of service for sure. But It's Still Oakland.
They're flying to SFO for more than SFO. They're probably flying there for the "Contingencies" The What If's. As Many international carriers do.
Nothing wrong with OAK. But SFO is where the Major International Airlines congregate. Not Hyperbole, Just Fact..


I wouldn't be shocked if the rest of the seasonal OAK flights more over to SFO next summer for consolidation.
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:25 pm

Funny how all of a sudden Alitalia is finding the US west coast where they should have flown for decades. Where are they getting the 777 ? They recently launched Santiago, Chile and Mexico City. Good Luck to Alitalia, they need all the divine intervention they can get.
 
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:09 pm

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Funny how all of a sudden Alitalia is finding the US west coast where they should have flown for decades. Where are they getting the 777 ? They recently launched Santiago, Chile and Mexico City. Good Luck to Alitalia, they need all the divine intervention they can get.


If I am not mistaken they are going to end Santiago.
 
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:48 pm

jfk777 wrote:
Funny how all of a sudden Alitalia is finding the US west coast where they should have flown for decades. Where are they getting the 777 ? They recently launched Santiago, Chile and Mexico City. Good Luck to Alitalia, they need all the divine intervention they can get.


They have been serving LAX already.
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:17 am

jfk777 wrote:
Funny how all of a sudden Alitalia is finding the US west coast where they should have flown for decades. Where are they getting the 777 ? They recently launched Santiago, Chile and Mexico City. Good Luck to Alitalia, they need all the divine intervention they can get.


3 GRU , 1,5 EZE , 1,5 SCL , 1,5 MEX , 1,5 NRT , they need 9 airplanes to fly all are routes and have 11 Boeing 777-200ER in fleet , with the remaining 2, they can operate 10w California (LAX / SFO)
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:57 am

BWIAirport wrote:
Practical question: Would it have made more sense to try for SEA given the higher number of onward DL connections there?


SFO is a much larger O&D market and a much larger global hub than SEA. Sounds like SFO makes good sense.

An interesting question is will this new AZ flight be a DL codeshare?
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:23 am

Alitalia previously flew to SFO from MXP. Can't recall if they flew to FCO as well. As previously mentioned, station dropped after 9/11.
 
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:38 am

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
Funny how all of a sudden Alitalia is finding the US west coast where they should have flown for decades. Where are they getting the 777 ? They recently launched Santiago, Chile and Mexico City. Good Luck to Alitalia, they need all the divine intervention they can get.


3 GRU , 1,5 EZE , 1,5 SCL , 1,5 MEX , 1,5 NRT , they need 9 airplanes to fly all are routes and have 11 Boeing 777-200ER in fleet , with the remaining 2, they can operate 10w California (LAX / SFO)


Why would GRU require 3 frames? Wouldn't it just be two to operate daily, or is the flight double daily? JFK-FCO also typically sees a daily 772 if I'm not mistaken.
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:55 am

Good for SFO
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:15 am

FSDan wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
Funny how all of a sudden Alitalia is finding the US west coast where they should have flown for decades. Where are they getting the 777 ? They recently launched Santiago, Chile and Mexico City. Good Luck to Alitalia, they need all the divine intervention they can get.


3 GRU , 1,5 EZE , 1,5 SCL , 1,5 MEX , 1,5 NRT , they need 9 airplanes to fly all are routes and have 11 Boeing 777-200ER in fleet , with the remaining 2, they can operate 10w California (LAX / SFO)


Why would GRU require 3 frames? Wouldn't it just be two to operate daily, or is the flight double daily? JFK-FCO also typically sees a daily 772 if I'm not mistaken.


FCO - GRU operates 2 daily flights, so they need 3, in JFK a daily flight is sent with B77W and two with A332 this summer 2020 at the same time that Delta announced the second day to JFK
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:20 am

Nice to see SFO getting a new transatlantic carrier after several of the European LCC's went bust or pulled out: WOW, XL France, Thomas Cook, Icelandair.
 
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:27 am

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
FSDan wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:

3 GRU , 1,5 EZE , 1,5 SCL , 1,5 MEX , 1,5 NRT , they need 9 airplanes to fly all are routes and have 11 Boeing 777-200ER in fleet , with the remaining 2, they can operate 10w California (LAX / SFO)


Why would GRU require 3 frames? Wouldn't it just be two to operate daily, or is the flight double daily? JFK-FCO also typically sees a daily 772 if I'm not mistaken.


FCO - GRU operates 2 daily flights, so they need 3, in JFK a daily flight is sent with B77W and two with A332 this summer 2020 at the same time that Delta announced the second day to JFK


What about Miami?
 
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:47 pm

Maybe AZ is buying new planes, come on, don't lose hope :-D

Edit just read a rumor about the sole 77W in fleet, EI-WLA being stored soon due to high costs.
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Wed Oct 02, 2019 3:44 pm

jfk777 wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
FSDan wrote:

Why would GRU require 3 frames? Wouldn't it just be two to operate daily, or is the flight double daily? JFK-FCO also typically sees a daily 772 if I'm not mistaken.


FCO - GRU operates 2 daily flights, so they need 3, in JFK a daily flight is sent with B77W and two with A332 this summer 2020 at the same time that Delta announced the second day to JFK


What about Miami?


The Boeing 777-200ER operate GIG and MIA in winter season, once services to MEX and LAX are reduced, during the summer they operate with A332
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:58 pm

DL747400 wrote:

An interesting question is will this new AZ flight be a DL codeshare?


Currently, there are no DL-AZ codeshares at all for next summer (not even JFK-FCO or JFK-MXP etc).
 
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:03 am

panamair wrote:
DL747400 wrote:

An interesting question is will this new AZ flight be a DL codeshare?


Currently, there are no DL-AZ codeshares at all for next summer (not even JFK-FCO or JFK-MXP etc).


That's exactly what I mean. Pretty interesting, huh?
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:14 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
Good to see them expanding; it seems SFO is a hotspot for transatlantic expansions in the last couple of years.
Practical question: Would it have made more sense to try for SEA given the higher number of onward DL connections there?


I don’t think Alitalia is looking for feed; if they were they’d probably fly to Detroit or Atlanta.
 
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:51 pm

DL747400 wrote:
panamair wrote:
DL747400 wrote:

An interesting question is will this new AZ flight be a DL codeshare?


Currently, there are no DL-AZ codeshares at all for next summer (not even JFK-FCO or JFK-MXP etc).


That's exactly what I mean. Pretty interesting, huh?


Looks like the DL-AZ codeshares are back-they were just loaded this weekend though not SFO-FCO yet.
 
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:18 pm

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
Funny how all of a sudden Alitalia is finding the US west coast where they should have flown for decades. Where are they getting the 777 ? They recently launched Santiago, Chile and Mexico City. Good Luck to Alitalia, they need all the divine intervention they can get.


3 GRU , 1,5 EZE , 1,5 SCL , 1,5 MEX , 1,5 NRT , they need 9 airplanes to fly all are routes and have 11 Boeing 777-200ER in fleet , with the remaining 2, they can operate 10w California (LAX / SFO)


There is actually more slack in the 777 fleet as neither SCL or MEX are daily operations, IIRC.
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Re: Alitalia launching SFO

Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:20 pm

The San Francisco market will feed the Rome hub. They don’t need feed at SFO.

Weatherwatcher1 wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Good to see them expanding; it seems SFO is a hotspot for transatlantic expansions in the last couple of years.
Practical question: Would it have made more sense to try for SEA given the higher number of onward DL connections there?


I don’t think Alitalia is looking for feed; if they were they’d probably fly to Detroit or Atlanta.

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