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Tarom seeks US service resumption in 2020; lease widebody

Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:57 pm

Tarom director Madalina Mezei says the carrier plans to resume service to the U.S discontinued in 2003 by relaunching service to NYC in 2020.

Carrier hoping for a May-June resumption with service operating 4-5x weekly utilizing yet to be leased A330 or 787 equipment.

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Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:01 pm

They also want to resume flights to China, but in partnership (codeshare) with Xiamen Airlines.


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Next one to go under? Or will this actually be successful? For an airline with a 737-800 as it's largest aircraft, moving to a 330 or 787 sounds like overkill.
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:10 pm

airboss787 wrote:
Next one to go under? Or will this actually be successful? For an airline with a 737-800 as it's largest aircraft, moving to a 330 or 787 sounds like overkill.


Political decision, most likely. Presidential elections will take place this November, so someone (the ruling party) has to gain some votes and popularity, right? ;)


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Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:23 pm

Maybe they could do like Czech Airlines, they have an A330 from Korean to operate the Prague-Seul route: Tarom could get a plane from DL, natural partner as they both are in SkyTeam and operate into.. let me guess JFK. Just an idea!
 
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:23 pm

Doubt it will happen. Just recently they downgraded Odessa and announced they will let go 300 employees. On top of that, they have more or less failed in setting up a hub in Bucharest and the airport is absolutely atrocious. Sure there is a new part but it's relatively small and extremely overcrowded.

I love flying on Tarom but let's be realistic, this is just a PR move. They have been speaking of China flights for at least five years now.
 
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:41 pm

AZa346 wrote:
Maybe they could do like Czech Airlines, they have an A330 from Korean to operate the Prague-Seul route: Tarom could get a plane from DL, natural partner as they both are in SkyTeam and operate into.. let me guess JFK. Just an idea!


DL doesn't really have long haul aircraft to spare. They're receiving a few more deliveries this year, but also starting to retire some 763s.
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:24 pm

FSDan wrote:
AZa346 wrote:
Maybe they could do like Czech Airlines, they have an A330 from Korean to operate the Prague-Seul route: Tarom could get a plane from DL, natural partner as they both are in SkyTeam and operate into.. let me guess JFK. Just an idea!


DL doesn't really have long haul aircraft to spare. They're receiving a few more deliveries this year, but also starting to retire some 763s.

KE also did it because they wanted to increase PRG capacity but couldn’t because of bilaterals. DL does not care enough about Romania to lease Tarom one of their planes.
 
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:50 pm

Polot wrote:
FSDan wrote:
AZa346 wrote:
DL does not care enough about Romania to lease Tarom one of their planes.


For sure this won't happen (DL leasing to ROT). TAROM is looking to wet-lease (ACMI) two A330s or 787s for 6 months. Then they'll decide if they extend the contract or not.

What's known for sure: in October 2018 two officials from ROT's top management went to the US to see two 787-8s, info confirmed by the airline. N947BA and VP-CSC. But no new updates since then about these.
 
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:07 pm

Polot wrote:
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KE also did it because they wanted to increase PRG capacity but couldn’t because of bilaterals.
would you mind elaborating that? There was a Korean Boeimg 747-8 when I was in Prague and that surprised, but to think that it is not sufficient, unless it is not daily, surprises me even more!
 
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:15 pm

AZa346 wrote:
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KE also did it because they wanted to increase PRG capacity but couldn’t because of bilaterals.
would you mind elaborating that? There was a Korean Boeimg 747-8 when I was in Prague and that surprised, but to think that it is not sufficient, unless it is not daily, surprises me even more!

The route is not daily, only 4x weekly. CSA operates the days KE doesn’t/can’t (at approximately the same time) and they both operate together one day a week, where CSA shifts their flight time so it doesn’t overlap with KE’s.

PRG apparently does very well for KE (hence the 748 now, and this arrangement with CSA to have a daily option with basically same hard product).
 
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:51 pm

I saw a report on a Romanian news network, and the news was showing LGA as a NYC potential destination. I laughed at the stupidity
 
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:02 pm

airboss787 wrote:
Next one to go under? Or will this actually be successful? For an airline with a 737-800 as it's largest aircraft, moving to a 330 or 787 sounds like overkill.


Well they could probably wet leased the aircraft instead for monthly or quarterly basis. It would be a bit more expensive but it would be the safest options for them.

They don't have to worry if they need to drop the routes in months.
 
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:07 pm

I'm surprised LOT isn't pitching to operate the JFK flight...
 
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:24 pm

Bring back the A310s and you will have av geeks filling them a few times a week during a summer season. Other than that, this is doomed to fail. Obviously, J demand will be zero (based on frequency and limited time span of operation). And it only takes hitting a few buttons at AF, LH, BA, AZ, JU or TK Head Office to compete the sh&t out of an ad-hoc operation like this.
 
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:36 pm

I don't see this happening, because OTP is just 90 minutes away by plane from IST and BEG, and about 3 hours away by plane from FRA and SVO, all of which have connections to JFK. As for Asia, one could connect to either TK at IST or SU at SVO, although from Asia, you have the possibility of CZ opening something like OTP-CAN on a B788 (I don't see MF doing so as they don't have too many wide-bodies). There are too many mega-hubs in the region for OTP to work. I'm surprised that BUD-JFK isn't seasonal.

As for LO operating this flight, I could only see this working twice weekly at most seasonally.
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:10 am

I wonder if they'll lease the Thomas Cook A330-200's.
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:24 am

This is probably a good time to be shopping around for new long-haul aircraft, but I'm not sure RO can make OTP-JFK work again. If DL could not make JFK-OTP work with all their connections, I'm thinking this route will be dead in the water from day one. I still believe A3 is following a good strategy by not flying long-haul, and I think RO would be smart to follow their lead. Had RO tried to develop a better hub years ago using a better airport, things might have been different, but I'm thinking it's too late for them to start again.
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:46 am

Why are routes to the US important for some of these smaller airlines?
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:55 am

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Why are routes to the US important for some of these smaller airlines?


Simple, prestige reasons. Does it make sense, not really.


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Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:53 am

Prost wrote:
Why are routes to the US important for some of these smaller airlines?


Prestige. However, with China becoming a super power more and more airlines are starting to consider Chinese flights as a priority in stead of the US ones.

Also, all these eastern European countries have a considerable diaspora on which they can rely to fill their planes from the US and Canada. Unfortunately these guys are price sensitive and will fly via IST or SVO to save €50. Turkish Airlines would be RO's worst nightmare. They are the king of fare dumping, the other day a friend of mine booked a flight to SFO with them for just €550!
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:06 pm

If I were them, I would consider using the game-changing (X)LR. Outbound/westwards to New York with a pre-clearance stopover at Dublin, Shannon, Halifax or wherever it would work best. Inbound/eastwards back to Bucharest should be doable nonstop without restrictions.
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 10:56 pm

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If I were them, I would consider using the game-changing (X)LR. Outbound/westwards to New York with a pre-clearance stopover at Dublin, Shannon, Halifax or wherever it would work best.


AF/KL connections already give one-stop service to ~30 destinations in North America.
 
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Sat Oct 05, 2019 3:17 am

How about they drop these plans and actually replace those B737-700s and A318s with something lighter and more economical like E95. That would be a step in the right direction. Launching long-haul flights would be jumping into the abyss.
 
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Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:05 am

If Tarom can source a long haul aircraft on a lease at modest cost (I'm thinking an A330 which is 10 years old) which can be terminated after 6 months, it's probably worth giving this a try. Yes, it might lose money but sometimes you have to take some risks in life. The economy in Bucharest has improved significantly compared to 10 years ago
 
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Sat Oct 05, 2019 6:57 am

I mean if the leased aircraft are cheap enough, they would defo do this for some months.
 
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Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:47 pm

Blerg wrote:
How about they drop these plans and actually replace those B737-700s and A318s with something lighter and more economical like E95. That would be a step in the right direction. Launching long-haul flights would be jumping into the abyss.


In June, while Paris Air Show was taking place at Le Bourget, TAROM announced (from Bucharest, through a press release on a Friday afternoon) they are getting 9 ATR 72-600s which will start arriving this Fall. So they won’t be getting Embraers.


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Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:13 pm

Kilopond wrote:
If I were them, I would consider using the game-changing (X)LR. Outbound/westwards to New York with a pre-clearance stopover at Dublin, Shannon, Halifax or wherever it would work best. Inbound/eastwards back to Bucharest should be doable nonstop without restrictions.


The XLR would likely be payload restricted Westbound. It's not the ideal aircraft for a volume route such as OTP that doesn't ask for daily service.
 
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How about they drop these plans and actually replace those B737-700s and A318s with something lighter and more economical like E95. That would be a step in the right direction. Launching long-haul flights would be jumping into the abyss.

This!
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:24 am

teomeo wrote:
Blerg wrote:
How about they drop these plans and actually replace those B737-700s and A318s with something lighter and more economical like E95. That would be a step in the right direction. Launching long-haul flights would be jumping into the abyss.


In June, while Paris Air Show was taking place at Le Bourget, TAROM announced (from Bucharest, through a press release on a Friday afternoon) they are getting 9 ATR 72-600s which will start arriving this Fall. So they won’t be getting Embraers.


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Well just because they are getting Atrs doesn't mean they won't/shouldn't get a regional jet. After all, the Atrs they will get will replace the ancient ones they currently operate and which are falling apart.

However, E95 can be sent to Western or Southern Europe, an Atr can't. These planes serve a different purpose in the fleet and are not mutually exclusive.

Are there any updates on the Atrs? When are they supposed to arrive?
 
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Are there any updates on the Atrs? When are they supposed to arrive?


The first ATR 72-600 of the 9 ordered this summer will arrive by the end of October or beginning of November. Three more will enter TAROM's fleet by year-end, with the remaining 5 in 2020: three in the first part of the year and the last two in December 2020.

The 4 Boeing 737-300s, initially scheduled to leave the fleet gradually starting this month, will be retired until the end of the winter schedule (March 2020). They will be replaced with other jets from Airbus or Boeing, TAROM currently holds discussions with both manufacturers.
 
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Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:01 pm

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If Tarom can source a long haul aircraft on a lease at modest cost (I'm thinking an A330 which is 10 years old) which can be terminated after 6 months, it's probably worth giving this a try. Yes, it might lose money but sometimes you have to take some risks in life. The economy in Bucharest has improved significantly compared to 10 years ago


Indeed, looks like ROT will go for the Airbus A330-200. Two A330s dry-leased from a "well-known" lessor.

TAROM wants to fly to New York and Chicago 4 times weekly each. In the request submitted to FAA last week, TAROM has applied for slots at New York (JFK or Newark) and Chicago. The plan is to restart long-haul flights to US in May 2020. Proposed schedule (subject to change):

OTP - New York 10:00 - 13:20 / Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday
New York - OTP 15:20 - 06:00+1 / Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday

OTP - Chicago 10:00 - 18:15 / Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday
Chicago - OTP 20:00 - 07:00+1 / Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday

An answer from FAA regarding slot allocation is expected to arrive at the end of October or by mid-November. TAROM's flights to New York and Chicago should be operated with 2-class (Business and Economy) Airbus A330-200 (or -300) with a capacity of "around 300 seats". These two A330s will be dry-leased from a "well-known" lessor. For now, TAROM wants to keep the layout of the aircraft confidential (commercial reasons).

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Are there any updates on the Atrs? When are they supposed to arrive?


The first ATR 72-600 of the 9 ordered this summer will arrive by the end of October or beginning of November. Three more will enter TAROM's fleet by year-end, with the remaining 5 in 2020: three in the first part of the year and the last two in December 2020.

The 4 Boeing 737-300s, initially scheduled to leave the fleet gradually starting this month, will be retired until the end of the winter schedule (March 2020). They will be replaced with other jets from Airbus or Boeing, TAROM currently holds discussions with both manufacturers.


Do you know if the new Atrs will be used as direct replacement of the older Atrs or for growth?
 
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Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:14 pm

Blerg wrote:
upintheair2018 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Are there any updates on the Atrs? When are they supposed to arrive?


The first ATR 72-600 of the 9 ordered this summer will arrive by the end of October or beginning of November. Three more will enter TAROM's fleet by year-end, with the remaining 5 in 2020: three in the first part of the year and the last two in December 2020.

The 4 Boeing 737-300s, initially scheduled to leave the fleet gradually starting this month, will be retired until the end of the winter schedule (March 2020). They will be replaced with other jets from Airbus or Boeing, TAROM currently holds discussions with both manufacturers.


Do you know if the new Atrs will be used as direct replacement of the older Atrs or for growth?


As things look now, they will be used, most likely, for direct replacement.


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teomeo wrote:
Blerg wrote:
upintheair2018 wrote:

The first ATR 72-600 of the 9 ordered this summer will arrive by the end of October or beginning of November. Three more will enter TAROM's fleet by year-end, with the remaining 5 in 2020: three in the first part of the year and the last two in December 2020.

The 4 Boeing 737-300s, initially scheduled to leave the fleet gradually starting this month, will be retired until the end of the winter schedule (March 2020). They will be replaced with other jets from Airbus or Boeing, TAROM currently holds discussions with both manufacturers.


Do you know if the new Atrs will be used as direct replacement of the older Atrs or for growth?


As things look now, direct replacement.


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Ah that's great, those Atrs are really old and worn out. The Atr will do wonders for them on regional flights. I fly with them from BEG to OTP and they are really uncomfortable with that tight seatpitch.
 
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Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:18 pm

They might want to wait for A321XLR for couple more years.
 
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Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:20 pm

If RO launches these flights, who stands to lose the most? OS? TK? LH? LO?
 
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Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:29 pm

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If RO launches these flights, who stands to lose the most? OS? TK? LH? LO?


I find it odd to see multiple mentions of TK playing a big role in the OTP - USA.

Most westbound long haul offers are from LH, OS, KL, AF
 
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If RO launches these flights, who stands to lose the most? OS? TK? LH? LO?

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upintheair2018 wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
If Tarom can source a long haul aircraft on a lease at modest cost (I'm thinking an A330 which is 10 years old) which can be terminated after 6 months, it's probably worth giving this a try. Yes, it might lose money but sometimes you have to take some risks in life. The economy in Bucharest has improved significantly compared to 10 years ago


Indeed, looks like ROT will go for the Airbus A330-200. Two A330s dry-leased from a "well-known" lessor.

TAROM wants to fly to New York and Chicago 4 times weekly each. In the request submitted to FAA last week, TAROM has applied for slots at New York (JFK or Newark) and Chicago. The plan is to restart long-haul flights to US in May 2020. Proposed schedule (subject to change):

OTP - New York 10:00 - 13:20 / Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday
New York - OTP 15:20 - 06:00+1 / Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday

OTP - Chicago 10:00 - 18:15 / Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday
Chicago - OTP 20:00 - 07:00+1 / Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday

An answer from FAA regarding slot allocation is expected to arrive at the end of October or by mid-November. TAROM's flights to New York and Chicago should be operated with 2-class (Business and Economy) Airbus A330-200 (or -300) with a capacity of "around 300 seats". These two A330s will be dry-leased from a "well-known" lessor. For now, TAROM wants to keep the layout of the aircraft confidential (commercial reasons).

via https://www.facebook.com/Aeronews.ro/po ... 0054645413


It seems incredibly inefficient to lease two aircraft and use them both to fly 4x weekly routes that operate on the same days of the week... Wouldn't it be much better to lease one 332 and operate the two routes 3x weekly each on alternating days, with a day of downtime for maintenance?

Also, that schedule has to be wrong, doesn't it? How does a flight that leaves Chicago nearly 5 hours after a flight from New York arrive in Bucharest only an hour later than the New York flight?
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FSDan wrote:
upintheair2018 wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
If Tarom can source a long haul aircraft on a lease at modest cost (I'm thinking an A330 which is 10 years old) which can be terminated after 6 months, it's probably worth giving this a try. Yes, it might lose money but sometimes you have to take some risks in life. The economy in Bucharest has improved significantly compared to 10 years ago


Indeed, looks like ROT will go for the Airbus A330-200. Two A330s dry-leased from a "well-known" lessor.

TAROM wants to fly to New York and Chicago 4 times weekly each. In the request submitted to FAA last week, TAROM has applied for slots at New York (JFK or Newark) and Chicago. The plan is to restart long-haul flights to US in May 2020. Proposed schedule (subject to change):

OTP - New York 10:00 - 13:20 / Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday
New York - OTP 15:20 - 06:00+1 / Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday

OTP - Chicago 10:00 - 18:15 / Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday
Chicago - OTP 20:00 - 07:00+1 / Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday

An answer from FAA regarding slot allocation is expected to arrive at the end of October or by mid-November. TAROM's flights to New York and Chicago should be operated with 2-class (Business and Economy) Airbus A330-200 (or -300) with a capacity of "around 300 seats". These two A330s will be dry-leased from a "well-known" lessor. For now, TAROM wants to keep the layout of the aircraft confidential (commercial reasons).

via https://www.facebook.com/Aeronews.ro/po ... 0054645413


It seems incredibly inefficient to lease two aircraft and use them both to fly 4x weekly routes that operate on the same days of the week... Wouldn't it be much better to lease one 332 and operate the two routes 3x weekly each on alternating days, with a day of downtime for maintenance?

Also, that schedule has to be wrong, doesn't it? How does a flight that leaves Chicago nearly 5 hours after a flight from New York arrive in Bucharest only an hour later than the New York flight?

You are right, of course. The whole thing is a joke. The only logical possibility I see is if one of the arrival times at OTP is a typo, and both should be 06.00 or 07.00, in which case it indicates a triangular flight, OTP-JFK-ORD-OTP.
 
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Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:18 pm

afgeneral wrote:
Blerg wrote:
If RO launches these flights, who stands to lose the most? OS? TK? LH? LO?


I find it odd to see multiple mentions of TK playing a big role in the OTP - USA.

Most westbound long haul offers are from LH, OS, KL, AF


A friend of mine flew BEG-IST-SFO just yesterday mostly because the ticket cost €550. TK offers some really cheap fares for backtracking routes.
 
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Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:24 pm

afgeneral wrote:
Blerg wrote:
If RO launches these flights, who stands to lose the most? OS? TK? LH? LO?


I find it odd to see multiple mentions of TK playing a big role in the OTP - USA.

Most westbound long haul offers are from LH, OS, KL, AF


TK, and to a lesser extent SU & UIA often undercut those airlines on Central/Eastern Europe to the US, despite lengthy backtracks and sometimes long connections, a lot of those markets are very sensitive to price so it's not as barmy as it may sound on paper.
 
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:33 am

A Boeing 767-300ER from YU might actually be cheaper to lease than an A330-200...and the B763 is only 187t. (YU owns 3 - all ex-Hainan - and leases 3, and also owns a B772 and leases a B738.)
 
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Re: Tarom seeks US service resumption in 2020; lease widebody

Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:34 am

The Romanian born population in the US is approximately 160,000 people. In the entirety of the US, depending on the source there are around 500,000-1 million people of Romanian descent. Put in perspective, the number of people of Polish descent just in the Chicago area is over 1 million. Neither of the proposed routes seem to make a lot of commercial sense. New York for prestige and possibly business. But Chicago? A great deal of Romanian immigration was to the Midwest, but there isn’t a substantial Romanian population in Chicago that’s is attached enough to the homeland to be going back and forth regularly to support a nonstop, and the business connections are basically nil. Purely anecdotal, but I actually know more Romanians from the Atlanta area than I ever met in Chicago, and that was with a Romanian cultural center maybe four miles from my home in Chicago.
Blerg wrote:
afgeneral wrote:
Blerg wrote:
If RO launches these flights, who stands to lose the most? OS? TK? LH? LO?


I find it odd to see multiple mentions of TK playing a big role in the OTP - USA.

Most westbound long haul offers are from LH, OS, KL, AF


A friend of mine flew BEG-IST-SFO just yesterday mostly because the ticket cost €550. TK offers some really cheap fares for backtracking routes.

Regardless of the price that isn’t much of a backtrack.
 
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Re: Tarom seeks US service resumption in 2020; lease widebody

Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:47 am

luckyone wrote:
The Romanian born population in the US is approximately 160,000 people. In the entirety of the US, depending on the source there are around 500,000-1 million people of Romanian descent. Put in perspective, the number of people of Polish descent just in the Chicago area is over 1 million. Neither of the proposed routes seem to make a lot of commercial sense. New York for prestige and possibly business. But Chicago? A great deal of Romanian immigration was to the Midwest, but there isn’t a substantial Romanian population in Chicago that’s is attached enough to the homeland to be going back and forth regularly to support a nonstop, and the business connections are basically nil. Purely anecdotal, but I actually know more Romanians from the Atlanta area than I ever met in Chicago, and that was with a Romanian cultural center maybe four miles from my home in Chicago.
Blerg wrote:
afgeneral wrote:

I find it odd to see multiple mentions of TK playing a big role in the OTP - USA.

Most westbound long haul offers are from LH, OS, KL, AF


A friend of mine flew BEG-IST-SFO just yesterday mostly because the ticket cost €550. TK offers some really cheap fares for backtracking routes.

Regardless of the price that isn’t much of a backtrack.


BEG-IST is around 01.20 so it kind of is when you take into considerations how many options there are with connections west of BEG.
 
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Re: Tarom seeks US service resumption in 2020; lease widebody

Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:43 pm

[quote="airboss787"]Next one to go under? Or will this actually be successful? For an airline with a 737-800 as it's largest aircraft, moving to a 330 or 787 sounds like overkill.
Maybe an A330? But a 787-8 might not be that much of a stretch.
 
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Re: Tarom seeks US service resumption in 2020; lease widebody

Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:02 pm

Why are Tarom flying to Chicago ? Would have thought Atlanta would be a safer bet commercially...
 
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Re: Tarom seeks US service resumption in 2020; lease widebody

Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:59 am

luckyone wrote:
The Romanian born population in the US is approximately 160,000 people. In the entirety of the US, depending on the source there are around 500,000-1 million people of Romanian descent. Put in perspective, the number of people of Polish descent just in the Chicago area is over 1 million. Neither of the proposed routes seem to make a lot of commercial sense. New York for prestige and possibly business. But Chicago? A great deal of Romanian immigration was to the Midwest, but there isn’t a substantial Romanian population in Chicago that’s is attached enough to the homeland to be going back and forth regularly to support a nonstop, and the business connections are basically nil. Purely anecdotal, but I actually know more Romanians from the Atlanta area than I ever met in Chicago, and that was with a Romanian cultural center maybe four miles from my home in Chicago.
Blerg wrote:
afgeneral wrote:

I find it odd to see multiple mentions of TK playing a big role in the OTP - USA.

Most westbound long haul offers are from LH, OS, KL, AF


A friend of mine flew BEG-IST-SFO just yesterday mostly because the ticket cost €550. TK offers some really cheap fares for backtracking routes.

Regardless of the price that isn’t much of a backtrack.


Probably more Romanians in the PNW than Chicago. Seattle and Portland is full of Romanians.
 
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Re: Tarom seeks US service resumption in 2020; lease widebody

Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:16 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Why are Tarom flying to Chicago ? Would have thought Atlanta would be a safer bet commercially...


Tarom does not fly to Chicago, they just announced their intention to do so, like they did a few times in the past.

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