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ZK-NBT
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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:40 am

chonetsao wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
TG has 80 wide bodies of which their pre Covid long haul network needed less than half of those, they do use specific aircraft for regional use but they are no CX or SQ who have large regional fleets while also using the long haul fleets on short haul.

6 A380
12 A359
15 A333
7 744
14 77W
6 773
6 77E
6 772
2 789
6 788


In my opinion, going forward, TG should only keep A359 and B77W. Maybe keep A333 as well for regional and expansion. Store the A380 for special usage.

B787 is an odd ball in TG's fleet. Conversion to current J would cost another $10-20 millions per aircraft. That is too much money in TG's state now.

The rational to keep B77W is that TG can pick up second hand B77W very cheaply nowadays and there are abundant parts supply due to Covid. The same can not be said for B787s yet.


I don’t think TG need more 77W sized aircraft, I thought the 777/787 were a single type rating at TG but I don’t think they are. We don’t know What the leases are on the 787 fleet either.

I think the 350/330 is a single type rating for TG? Either way the oldest 333 was delivered around 2011 I think 77W/359/787 are all younger as are the A380s. The A380 you either store long term or get rid of entirely, not sure it makes sense to have them for special usage. TG were one I thought could have used 2-3 more A380s pre Covid, SYD/MUC atleast seasonally to each, won’t happen now.
 
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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:19 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
I don’t think TG need more 77W sized aircraft, I thought the 777/787 were a single type rating at TG but I don’t think they are. We don’t know What the leases are on the 787 fleet either.

I think the 350/330 is a single type rating for TG? Either way the oldest 333 was delivered around 2011 I think 77W/359/787 are all younger as are the A380s. The A380 you either store long term or get rid of entirely, not sure it makes sense to have them for special usage. TG were one I thought could have used 2-3 more A380s pre Covid, SYD/MUC atleast seasonally to each, won’t happen now.


The Chinese experience have shown that once restriction is lifted, there is an immediately explosive rebound in travel demand. China started to reopen domestic travel in May, and by August the domestic travel by air is almost back to pre-Covid-19 level. Indeed the international traffic has not returned but there are many reasons and conditions which may need a dissertation to address.

Should Thailand open to normalise, TG would need B77W size aircraft very quickly in order to meet the demand. Of course what happened in China domestically may not happen to international travel. But, historical lessons (e.g. 9-11 or financial crisis) told us travel demand is always there and can come back very quickly.

We are now all anxiously waiting for a vaccine, which could become available worldwide by 1Q 2021. Should that be the case, TG may need B77W sized aircrafts to meet the April peak season. And, believe in me, if that happens, the demand may outweigh supply by 2 folds. Even without a vaccine, there are always one third of the general population that would take the risks to travel to destinations they want by any means.

The last point to make is that size matters. If TG is to retire its all B777-200. Then B77W is a perfect aircraft to bridge the gap when A380 is inactive. In a world that loading fact is not a pursued goal, TG needs an aircrafts that is versatile and have the maximum capacity for both passengers and cargo. There is no need to sell all the seats in pandemic. But to preserve for future growth and demand. B77W is a perfect aircrafts for airlines like TG, geared for mass market, and pandemic made this aircraft super cheap to obtain. There are so many coming off lease right now at the age of 10-12 years old. A perfect aircraft for both trunk route regional flying and long haul hauler.
 
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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:16 am

If TG is going to keep the 77W it sure is in need of a refurb. They are quite stale and worn on the inside. I know because I fly them regularly. And the A380s are not far behind. All in all, it seems as though TG have not spent much to keep their fleet looking the way they'd like it to be. But it ain't sustainable into the long term if you want to keep attracting travellers. Not to mention the difference in product across different types. It's a nonsense for the traveller - not a consistent product. I agree about spare capacity for future growth though. But, $ aside, TG have plenty else to be thinking about at the moment if they want to stop the bleeding.
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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:52 pm

NZ321 wrote:
If TG is going to keep the 77W it sure is in need of a refurb. They are quite stale and worn on the inside. I know because I fly them regularly. And the A380s are not far behind. All in all, it seems as though TG have not spent much to keep their fleet looking the way they'd like it to be. But it ain't sustainable into the long term if you want to keep attracting travellers. Not to mention the difference in product across different types. It's a nonsense for the traveller - not a consistent product. I agree about spare capacity for future growth though. But, $ aside, TG have plenty else to be thinking about at the moment if they want to stop the bleeding.

Yup, from my experience, TG's 77W are very worn out, especially with the original batch from around 2012/2013, which still has the old upholstery, PTVs and essentially just stale and unattractive due to the lack of mood lighting and premium economy.
 
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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:19 pm

avier wrote:
TG should opt for an all-Airbus fleet. Will help in their pilot upgrades too. A fleet of A320/321Neo , A339neo, A359/A350-1000. This fleet mix would help meet capacity and range issues for regional and long haul int’l.
However, I’ve noticed many state-run carriers opt for some Boeing’s for political reasons. I guess just to be in the good books of US.

mig17 wrote:
The A330 CEO maybe but the NEO is close to 787 rangewise.

The A339neo comes nothing close to a 789 range.

From Airbus and Boeing websites nominal range with full pax only are :
781 / 336pax / 6345nm
A339 / 287pax / 7200nm
788 / 248pax / 7305nm
789 / 296pax / 7530nm
A359 / 315pax / 8100nm
A338 / 257pax / 8150nm

So yes, the A339neo comes something close to a 789 range and all those models can fly TG's network with a full pax load at the exception of the 781.

Now if we concider payload/range curve at longer range it is something else :
781 < 788 < A339 < 789 < A338 < A359 (and even 77W < A359 after around 7200nm)

And cost per flight :
788 < A338 < A339 < 789 < 781 < A359

But efficiency per seat at OEM range it is more :
788 < A338 < 789 < A359 < A339 < 781

Of course performance or efficiency have a cost :
788 < A338 < 789 < A339 < A359 < 781

If you are Thai Airways, you have 2 good choices for the futur :
- Focus on a single type, A330neo or 787 if you want minimize costs or A350 if you want th extra paylaod
- Use A330neo or 787 with A359 as complementary if you want to optimise each route
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ZK-NBT
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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:02 am

chonetsao wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
I don’t think TG need more 77W sized aircraft, I thought the 777/787 were a single type rating at TG but I don’t think they are. We don’t know What the leases are on the 787 fleet either.

I think the 350/330 is a single type rating for TG? Either way the oldest 333 was delivered around 2011 I think 77W/359/787 are all younger as are the A380s. The A380 you either store long term or get rid of entirely, not sure it makes sense to have them for special usage. TG were one I thought could have used 2-3 more A380s pre Covid, SYD/MUC atleast seasonally to each, won’t happen now.


The Chinese experience have shown that once restriction is lifted, there is an immediately explosive rebound in travel demand. China started to reopen domestic travel in May, and by August the domestic travel by air is almost back to pre-Covid-19 level. Indeed the international traffic has not returned but there are many reasons and conditions which may need a dissertation to address.

Should Thailand open to normalise, TG would need B77W size aircraft very quickly in order to meet the demand. Of course what happened in China domestically may not happen to international travel. But, historical lessons (e.g. 9-11 or financial crisis) told us travel demand is always there and can come back very quickly.

We are now all anxiously waiting for a vaccine, which could become available worldwide by 1Q 2021. Should that be the case, TG may need B77W sized aircrafts to meet the April peak season. And, believe in me, if that happens, the demand may outweigh supply by 2 folds. Even without a vaccine, there are always one third of the general population that would take the risks to travel to destinations they want by any means.

The last point to make is that size matters. If TG is to retire its all B777-200. Then B77W is a perfect aircraft to bridge the gap when A380 is inactive. In a world that loading fact is not a pursued goal, TG needs an aircrafts that is versatile and have the maximum capacity for both passengers and cargo. There is no need to sell all the seats in pandemic. But to preserve for future growth and demand. B77W is a perfect aircrafts for airlines like TG, geared for mass market, and pandemic made this aircraft super cheap to obtain. There are so many coming off lease right now at the age of 10-12 years old. A perfect aircraft for both trunk route regional flying and long haul hauler.


That's an if however. They might as well use the A380 then if things recover that quickly and TBH I don't think anyone knows yet how quickly things will recover. I used 9 of 14 77W's on long haul earlier, some of these are avaliable during the day for short haul plus 1-2 that aren't used overnight to Japan. Size will only matter if you can fill the seats, i feel that has been one of TG's problems, to much miss use and low load factors. TG need to actually make money and generate good yeilds. TG seat 348 on the 77W 42J 306Y, 359 is 321 with 32J 289Y and again these are avalible during the day between long haul, the 333 seats 285 aswell regionally.
 
ZK-NBT
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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:07 am

NZ321 wrote:
If TG is going to keep the 77W it sure is in need of a refurb. They are quite stale and worn on the inside. I know because I fly them regularly. And the A380s are not far behind. All in all, it seems as though TG have not spent much to keep their fleet looking the way they'd like it to be. But it ain't sustainable into the long term if you want to keep attracting travellers. Not to mention the difference in product across different types. It's a nonsense for the traveller - not a consistent product. I agree about spare capacity for future growth though. But, $ aside, TG have plenty else to be thinking about at the moment if they want to stop the bleeding.


These aircraft aren't that old, oldest from 2012/13, TG have never been great at refurbs and sure not consistent products, I can't personally see TG getting rid of the 77W fleet. I would hate to see the 77E, these were meant to have a refit 2-3 years ago and still haven't. Some competent management would be a good place to start to stop the bleeding.
 
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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:33 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
TG has 80 wide bodies of which their pre Covid long haul network needed less than half of those, they do use specific aircraft for regional use but they are no CX or SQ who have large regional fleets while also using the long haul fleets on short haul.

6 A380
12 A359
15 A333
7 744
14 77W
6 773
6 77E
6 772
2 789
6 788

I think they are more bloated aircraft wise than I thought, reduce types for a start so no more 744 for a start, then based on age the 773 and 772 regional fleets go. Possibly the 77E aswell plus atleast in the short term ground the A380.

All J class needs to be the same for long haul so reconfigure 788s from regional to long haul. A333s aren’t used long haul. I don’t think connections are going to play much of a roll once things are up and running again for a while.

Pre Covid they flew to then post Covid I think they should do
FRA 14x 380/77W, 14x 77W
LHR 14x 380/77W, 14x 77W
CDG 7x 380, 7x 77W
MUC 7x 77W, 7x 359
ZRH 7x 77W, 7x 359
CPH 7x 77W, 7x359
OSL 7x 77W, 7x 359
ARN 7x 77W, 7x359
VIE 7x 788, 5x 788
BRU 6x 359, 4x 359
MXP 6x 359, 4x788
FCO 5x 359, 3x788
AKL 7x 789 5x 789
SYD 7x 744 7x 359
MEL 14x 359, 7x 77W
BNE 4x 77E, 3x 788
PER 7x 333, 5x 788

Uses all 359, 788, 789 fleets but these are mainly overnight flights so free for short haul during the day, only 9 of 14 77W used leaving the rest for mainly the overnight services to Japan NRT/HND/KIX, while the rest can probably use 333s like FUK/NGO/CTS.

This is obviously a short medium term plan, A380s could be used again if needed later on busy routes, 77E could be refitted, they are 13-14 yo and need refitting if kept, there is also the parked 346 fleet that could have a refit and be used on busy Australia/Japan routes. I don’t think TG need to go shopping for widebodies anytime soon, maybe some narrow bodies for some of the short haul routes could be good as connecting traffic rebuilds in time.

Long term a fleet of A350/787, talking about 2030’s here.


Interesting
But the 787s will go the fleet is to small, and instead of make 14 weekly A380 to 14 weekly B77W why not 10 weekly A380 and then sell of some slots in LHR ?
Also the 772, 772ER and 773 will go.
The A380 will not go as the goverment sees them as prestige.
The 747 are gone
The A346 or 5 will never be reactivated
The newest A330 will stay they are better for regional and domestic than the 787s.

So the fleet will be A380, B77W, A359 and A330.
What they do about NB is difficult to say.
Also remember the 77W fleet is also used in Asia and the A380 the same. What will you use to take over those flights ?
 
ZK-NBT
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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:05 am

fessor wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
TG has 80 wide bodies of which their pre Covid long haul network needed less than half of those, they do use specific aircraft for regional use but they are no CX or SQ who have large regional fleets while also using the long haul fleets on short haul.

6 A380
12 A359
15 A333
7 744
14 77W
6 773
6 77E
6 772
2 789
6 788

I think they are more bloated aircraft wise than I thought, reduce types for a start so no more 744 for a start, then based on age the 773 and 772 regional fleets go. Possibly the 77E aswell plus atleast in the short term ground the A380.

All J class needs to be the same for long haul so reconfigure 788s from regional to long haul. A333s aren’t used long haul. I don’t think connections are going to play much of a roll once things are up and running again for a while.

Pre Covid they flew to then post Covid I think they should do
FRA 14x 380/77W, 14x 77W
LHR 14x 380/77W, 14x 77W
CDG 7x 380, 7x 77W
MUC 7x 77W, 7x 359
ZRH 7x 77W, 7x 359
CPH 7x 77W, 7x359
OSL 7x 77W, 7x 359
ARN 7x 77W, 7x359
VIE 7x 788, 5x 788
BRU 6x 359, 4x 359
MXP 6x 359, 4x788
FCO 5x 359, 3x788
AKL 7x 789 5x 789
SYD 7x 744 7x 359
MEL 14x 359, 7x 77W
BNE 4x 77E, 3x 788
PER 7x 333, 5x 788

Uses all 359, 788, 789 fleets but these are mainly overnight flights so free for short haul during the day, only 9 of 14 77W used leaving the rest for mainly the overnight services to Japan NRT/HND/KIX, while the rest can probably use 333s like FUK/NGO/CTS.

This is obviously a short medium term plan, A380s could be used again if needed later on busy routes, 77E could be refitted, they are 13-14 yo and need refitting if kept, there is also the parked 346 fleet that could have a refit and be used on busy Australia/Japan routes. I don’t think TG need to go shopping for widebodies anytime soon, maybe some narrow bodies for some of the short haul routes could be good as connecting traffic rebuilds in time.

Long term a fleet of A350/787, talking about 2030’s here.


Interesting
But the 787s will go the fleet is to small, and instead of make 14 weekly A380 to 14 weekly B77W why not 10 weekly A380 and then sell of some slots in LHR ?
Also the 772, 772ER and 773 will go.
The A380 will not go as the goverment sees them as prestige.
The 747 are gone
The A346 or 5 will never be reactivated
The newest A330 will stay they are better for regional and domestic than the 787s.

So the fleet will be A380, B77W, A359 and A330.
What they do about NB is difficult to say.
Also remember the 77W fleet is also used in Asia and the A380 the same. What will you use to take over those flights ?


Are all the 787s leased? TG generally aren’t worried about a small sub fleet though it does contribute imo to their poor financial performance despite much bigger issues.

They use the A380 to LHR/CDG/FRA/NRT/KIX, LHR NW only, KIX NS only allows 1 to be in heavy maintenance, 10 weekly to LHR wouldn’t allow them to use it to both FRA/CDG daily aswell, 10 weekly gives an imbalance in seats aswell, and a lot less freight compared to a 77W. I don’t think it makes sense to sell LHR slots does it, certainly not atm.

I do agree the A380 will likely stay and TG certainly pre Covid do have routes where they make some sense, pretty much the routes they use them on, compared to other airlines.

The 77W/A380 is available during the day for short haul flights plus as I said I only used 9 for long haul in my list, if the A380 comes back sooner that frees up more 77W for high density Asian flying, but with 9 on long haul I left 4-5 for overnight Japan flying HND/NRT/KIX at least.
 
fessor
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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:01 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
fessor wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
TG has 80 wide bodies of which their pre Covid long haul network needed less than half of those, they do use specific aircraft for regional use but they are no CX or SQ who have large regional fleets while also using the long haul fleets on short haul.

6 A380
12 A359
15 A333
7 744
14 77W
6 773
6 77E
6 772
2 789
6 788

I think they are more bloated aircraft wise than I thought, reduce types for a start so no more 744 for a start, then based on age the 773 and 772 regional fleets go. Possibly the 77E aswell plus atleast in the short term ground the A380.

All J class needs to be the same for long haul so reconfigure 788s from regional to long haul. A333s aren’t used long haul. I don’t think connections are going to play much of a roll once things are up and running again for a while.

Pre Covid they flew to then post Covid I think they should do
FRA 14x 380/77W, 14x 77W
LHR 14x 380/77W, 14x 77W
CDG 7x 380, 7x 77W
MUC 7x 77W, 7x 359
ZRH 7x 77W, 7x 359
CPH 7x 77W, 7x359
OSL 7x 77W, 7x 359
ARN 7x 77W, 7x359
VIE 7x 788, 5x 788
BRU 6x 359, 4x 359
MXP 6x 359, 4x788
FCO 5x 359, 3x788
AKL 7x 789 5x 789
SYD 7x 744 7x 359
MEL 14x 359, 7x 77W
BNE 4x 77E, 3x 788
PER 7x 333, 5x 788

Uses all 359, 788, 789 fleets but these are mainly overnight flights so free for short haul during the day, only 9 of 14 77W used leaving the rest for mainly the overnight services to Japan NRT/HND/KIX, while the rest can probably use 333s like FUK/NGO/CTS.

This is obviously a short medium term plan, A380s could be used again if needed later on busy routes, 77E could be refitted, they are 13-14 yo and need refitting if kept, there is also the parked 346 fleet that could have a refit and be used on busy Australia/Japan routes. I don’t think TG need to go shopping for widebodies anytime soon, maybe some narrow bodies for some of the short haul routes could be good as connecting traffic rebuilds in time.

Long term a fleet of A350/787, talking about 2030’s here.


Interesting
But the 787s will go the fleet is to small, and instead of make 14 weekly A380 to 14 weekly B77W why not 10 weekly A380 and then sell of some slots in LHR ?
Also the 772, 772ER and 773 will go.
The A380 will not go as the goverment sees them as prestige.
The 747 are gone
The A346 or 5 will never be reactivated
The newest A330 will stay they are better for regional and domestic than the 787s.

So the fleet will be A380, B77W, A359 and A330.
What they do about NB is difficult to say.
Also remember the 77W fleet is also used in Asia and the A380 the same. What will you use to take over those flights ?


Are all the 787s leased? TG generally aren’t worried about a small sub fleet though it does contribute imo to their poor financial performance despite much bigger issues.

They use the A380 to LHR/CDG/FRA/NRT/KIX, LHR NW only, KIX NS only allows 1 to be in heavy maintenance, 10 weekly to LHR wouldn’t allow them to use it to both FRA/CDG daily aswell, 10 weekly gives an imbalance in seats aswell, and a lot less freight compared to a 77W. I don’t think it makes sense to sell LHR slots does it, certainly not atm.

I do agree the A380 will likely stay and TG certainly pre Covid do have routes where they make some sense, pretty much the routes they use them on, compared to other airlines.

The 77W/A380 is available during the day for short haul flights plus as I said I only used 9 for long haul in my list, if the A380 comes back sooner that frees up more 77W for high density Asian flying, but with 9 on long haul I left 4-5 for overnight Japan flying HND/NRT/KIX at least.



Then for CPH normally 9 weekly B77w in summer and 7 weekly to Bkk in winter. Also its used 2/3 weekly to Hkt. That mskes 7 weekly A359 to little
Also for ARN and OSL its not enough seats.
I think they will close some of the smaller routes.
Also 1 frequency to LHR have been considered for long time. But untill now the pilot's and the politician's have made them keep it together with CDG
 
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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:43 pm

fessor wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
fessor wrote:

Interesting
But the 787s will go the fleet is to small, and instead of make 14 weekly A380 to 14 weekly B77W why not 10 weekly A380 and then sell of some slots in LHR ?
Also the 772, 772ER and 773 will go.
The A380 will not go as the goverment sees them as prestige.
The 747 are gone
The A346 or 5 will never be reactivated
The newest A330 will stay they are better for regional and domestic than the 787s.

So the fleet will be A380, B77W, A359 and A330.
What they do about NB is difficult to say.
Also remember the 77W fleet is also used in Asia and the A380 the same. What will you use to take over those flights ?


Are all the 787s leased? TG generally aren’t worried about a small sub fleet though it does contribute imo to their poor financial performance despite much bigger issues.

They use the A380 to LHR/CDG/FRA/NRT/KIX, LHR NW only, KIX NS only allows 1 to be in heavy maintenance, 10 weekly to LHR wouldn’t allow them to use it to both FRA/CDG daily aswell, 10 weekly gives an imbalance in seats aswell, and a lot less freight compared to a 77W. I don’t think it makes sense to sell LHR slots does it, certainly not atm.

I do agree the A380 will likely stay and TG certainly pre Covid do have routes where they make some sense, pretty much the routes they use them on, compared to other airlines.

The 77W/A380 is available during the day for short haul flights plus as I said I only used 9 for long haul in my list, if the A380 comes back sooner that frees up more 77W for high density Asian flying, but with 9 on long haul I left 4-5 for overnight Japan flying HND/NRT/KIX at least.



Then for CPH normally 9 weekly B77w in summer and 7 weekly to Bkk in winter. Also its used 2/3 weekly to Hkt. That mskes 7 weekly A359 to little
Also for ARN and OSL its not enough seats.
I think they will close some of the smaller routes.
Also 1 frequency to LHR have been considered for long time. But untill now the pilot's and the politician's have made them keep it together with CDG


Sure, and I have heard the Scandinavian routes do pretty well but do they make money? I get why they do HKT inbound. Maybe a place for the A380s with a reconfiguration? Time to drop F class.

FRA was going to lose some frequency at the time they were going to add DUS as well a few years ago. Does it make sense to reduce LHR/FRA, MAN has often been considered from what I gather.
 
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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:19 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
fessor wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:

Are all the 787s leased? TG generally aren’t worried about a small sub fleet though it does contribute imo to their poor financial performance despite much bigger issues.

They use the A380 to LHR/CDG/FRA/NRT/KIX, LHR NW only, KIX NS only allows 1 to be in heavy maintenance, 10 weekly to LHR wouldn’t allow them to use it to both FRA/CDG daily aswell, 10 weekly gives an imbalance in seats aswell, and a lot less freight compared to a 77W. I don’t think it makes sense to sell LHR slots does it, certainly not atm.

I do agree the A380 will likely stay and TG certainly pre Covid do have routes where they make some sense, pretty much the routes they use them on, compared to other airlines.

The 77W/A380 is available during the day for short haul flights plus as I said I only used 9 for long haul in my list, if the A380 comes back sooner that frees up more 77W for high density Asian flying, but with 9 on long haul I left 4-5 for overnight Japan flying HND/NRT/KIX at least.



Then for CPH normally 9 weekly B77w in summer and 7 weekly to Bkk in winter. Also its used 2/3 weekly to Hkt. That mskes 7 weekly A359 to little
Also for ARN and OSL its not enough seats.
I think they will close some of the smaller routes.
Also 1 frequency to LHR have been considered for long time. But untill now the pilot's and the politician's have made them keep it together with CDG


Sure, and I have heard the Scandinavian routes do pretty well but do they make money? I get why they do HKT inbound. Maybe a place for the A380s with a reconfiguration? Time to drop F class.

FRA was going to lose some frequency at the time they were going to add DUS as well a few years ago. Does it make sense to reduce LHR/FRA, MAN has often been considered from what I gather.


CPH FRA and OSL is supposed to be the best performers
LHR and CDG is not as good
ARN is not good as stand alone but important because if the number of tourist as scandinavian tourists generally is good spenders at the destination
 
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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:38 pm

fessor wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
fessor wrote:


Then for CPH normally 9 weekly B77w in summer and 7 weekly to Bkk in winter. Also its used 2/3 weekly to Hkt. That mskes 7 weekly A359 to little
Also for ARN and OSL its not enough seats.
I think they will close some of the smaller routes.
Also 1 frequency to LHR have been considered for long time. But untill now the pilot's and the politician's have made them keep it together with CDG


Sure, and I have heard the Scandinavian routes do pretty well but do they make money? I get why they do HKT inbound. Maybe a place for the A380s with a reconfiguration? Time to drop F class.

FRA was going to lose some frequency at the time they were going to add DUS as well a few years ago. Does it make sense to reduce LHR/FRA, MAN has often been considered from what I gather.


CPH FRA and OSL is supposed to be the best performers
LHR and CDG is not as good
ARN is not good as stand alone but important because if the number of tourist as scandinavian tourists generally is good spenders at the destination


Right, I think it’s time TG right sized routes. Would a smaller more efficient A359 make a difference to ARN? Less pax but higher yield. Maybe LHR goes 1 daily as you say and CDG gets 77W, A380 when it comes back can go elsewhere.
 
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TG president now says no plans to shut down/merge Thai Smile, instead actually that Smile is part of the group's competitive strategy with its lower staff cost that allows it to domestic and regional markets.

https://www.pattayamail.com/thailandnew ... 37services
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Are all the 787s leased?


They are, from AerCap and DP Aircraft.
 
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In a stock market filing, Amedeo says its working with Thai Airways International to find an agreement regarding four A350-900s on lease. Amedeo has set up contingency reserve funds to repossess and remarket the aircraft.

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Thai Airways International acting president Chansin Treenuchagron says the company will mutual separation program plans to reduce staffing levels.

https://www.ttrweekly.com/site/2020/10/ ... workforce/

Good news, however obviously it's likely too little too late, and instead probably needs much deeper staff level reductions as part of its bankruptcy rehabilitation process.
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36 aircraft for immediate sale by Thai on “As-Is, Where-Is” condition.

10 x B747-400 MSN 26609, 26610, 27724, 27725, 28705,28706, 32369, 32370, 33770, 33771
6 x 777-200 MSN 27726, 27727, 27728, 27729, 27732, 27733
6 x 777-300 MSN 29150, 29151, 29211, 29212, 29213, 29214
6 x A340-600 MSN 677 , 681 , 689 , 710 , 719 , 953
5 x A340-500 MSN 624 , 628 , 775
1 x A300-600 MSN 681
2 x 737-400 MSN 26613, 26614
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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:56 am

LAXintl wrote:
36 aircraft for immediate sale by Thai on “As-Is, Where-Is” condition.

10 x B747-400 MSN 26609, 26610, 27724, 27725, 28705,28706, 32369, 32370, 33770, 33771
6 x 777-200 MSN 27726, 27727, 27728, 27729, 27732, 27733
6 x 777-300 MSN 29150, 29151, 29211, 29212, 29213, 29214
6 x A340-600 MSN 677 , 681 , 689 , 710 , 719 , 953
5 x A340-500 MSN 624 , 628 , 775
1 x A300-600 MSN 681
2 x 737-400 MSN 26613, 26614

Interesting to see they finally decided to start selling these planes, some of them have been retired since ages.

No wonder why TG bleeds to badly.

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Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:07 am

eamondzhang wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
36 aircraft for immediate sale by Thai on “As-Is, Where-Is” condition.

10 x B747-400 MSN 26609, 26610, 27724, 27725, 28705,28706, 32369, 32370, 33770, 33771
6 x 777-200 MSN 27726, 27727, 27728, 27729, 27732, 27733
6 x 777-300 MSN 29150, 29151, 29211, 29212, 29213, 29214
6 x A340-600 MSN 677 , 681 , 689 , 710 , 719 , 953
5 x A340-500 MSN 624 , 628 , 775
1 x A300-600 MSN 681
2 x 737-400 MSN 26613, 26614

Interesting to see they finally decided to start selling these planes, some of them have been retired since ages.

No wonder why TG bleeds to badly.

Michae

I believe they have tried to sell some of these aircraft in the past but there were never any takers who would agree to Thai’s prices (particularly in regards to the A340s, where they were apparently pretty inflexible). Maybe now TG will be a bit more realistic about what they can get for the planes.
 
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Polot wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
36 aircraft for immediate sale by Thai on “As-Is, Where-Is” condition.

10 x B747-400 MSN 26609, 26610, 27724, 27725, 28705,28706, 32369, 32370, 33770, 33771
6 x 777-200 MSN 27726, 27727, 27728, 27729, 27732, 27733
6 x 777-300 MSN 29150, 29151, 29211, 29212, 29213, 29214
6 x A340-600 MSN 677 , 681 , 689 , 710 , 719 , 953
5 x A340-500 MSN 624 , 628 , 775
1 x A300-600 MSN 681
2 x 737-400 MSN 26613, 26614

Interesting to see they finally decided to start selling these planes, some of them have been retired since ages.

No wonder why TG bleeds to badly.

Michae

I believe they have tried to sell some of these aircraft in the past but there were never any takers who would agree to Thai’s prices. Maybe now TG will be a bit more realistic about what they can get for the planes.


I can only foresee the B777s getting sold to someone who would want to convert them into a full fledge freighter and nothing else.

I don’t think the B744s and A345/346s will get any interest unless a silly rich person wants to convert 1 unit into a restaurant :roll:
 
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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:16 am

behramjee wrote:
Polot wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
Interesting to see they finally decided to start selling these planes, some of them have been retired since ages.

No wonder why TG bleeds to badly.

Michae

I believe they have tried to sell some of these aircraft in the past but there were never any takers who would agree to Thai’s prices. Maybe now TG will be a bit more realistic about what they can get for the planes.


I can only foresee the B777s getting sold to someone who would want to convert them into a full fledge freighter and nothing else.

I don’t think the B744s and A345/346s will get any interest unless a silly rich person wants to convert 1 unit into a restaurant :roll:

There are no conversion program for those 777s. All of these planes are going to be scrapped, they have no future. Many of them have been stored outside for years now.
 
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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:57 am

Polot wrote:
behramjee wrote:
Polot wrote:
I believe they have tried to sell some of these aircraft in the past but there were never any takers who would agree to Thai’s prices. Maybe now TG will be a bit more realistic about what they can get for the planes.


I can only foresee the B777s getting sold to someone who would want to convert them into a full fledge freighter and nothing else.

I don’t think the B744s and A345/346s will get any interest unless a silly rich person wants to convert 1 unit into a restaurant :roll:

There are no conversion program for those 777s. All of these planes are going to be scrapped, they have no future. Many of them have been stored outside for years now.

Yep - apart from 744 which might have a very slim chance of finding a second carrier, they're all doomed

I seriously doubt there's even any takers for A345/6s and the sole AB6 as they were exposed to environment for too long.

No one's taking 772As and last known transactions (apart from scraps) 773As were for CX - who has sent all of them to ASP for storage

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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:41 pm

For the aircraft getting sold here:
A300, 737-400, 777-200: straight to the scrappers; no one is going to take them.
747-400, 777-300, A340-500, A340-600: 50-50 chance of either scrapped or converted into a restaurant like 2 of TG's previous A330-300: HS-TEA and HS-TEM.
 
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Is there that much demand for airliner themed restaurants?.
 
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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:47 pm

What I like about TG is how they buy at least one example of every aircraft model in production. It's not really an airline, so much as a flying aircraft museum.
 
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What I like about TG is how they buy at least one example of every aircraft model in production. It's not really an airline, so much as a flying aircraft museum.

I'm not sure we can use the word 'flying' in that statement, most of their hardware remains firmly earth bound.

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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

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TG should opt for an all-Airbus fleet. Will help in their pilot upgrades too. A fleet of A320/321Neo , A339neo, A359/A350-1000. This fleet mix would help meet capacity and range issues for regional and long haul int’l.
However, I’ve noticed many state-run carriers opt for some Boeing’s for political reasons. I guess just to be in the good books of US.

mig17 wrote:
The A330 CEO maybe but the NEO is close to 787 rangewise.

The A339neo comes nothing close to a 789 range.

TG, if it restarts, should have a very simple fleet.
I could see a turboprop
One narrowbody (either Airbus or Boeing, whatever the best deal is)
One smaller widebody (A330NEO, A350-900, or 787, I do not care. Let's make a deal. Be merciless on terms and only consider owned aircraft if it provides a cost savings via owned parts, simulators, or something else.)

At this time, assume nothing. Both OEMs need orders. I would restart from scratch as at this time TG is nothing more than a marketing name with expensive staff. The variety of aircraft was a disgrace. You need Delta level fleet size and Delta level processes (including engine repair) to have a diversified fleet. TG never had the world class processes; some airlines can bring in a 2nd type far cheaper than others. There isn't one answer. But for most airlines, I agree in fleet simplification.

A crisis accelerates trends. The trend is toward smaller widebodies and one type of narrowbody. If Thailand wants to spend government money creating jobs, build the extra two runways at BKK, terminals, and build up ground transport.

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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:09 pm

bennett123 wrote:
Is there that much demand for airliner themed restaurants?.

Nope.
Not more than 5 frames would be converted to the restaurants.
If you disagree with my statement, assume that it was just a joke :duck:
 
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Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:30 pm

Sad news. My question would be what is left after this? I assume 787's and A350's?
 
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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:45 pm

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TG, if it restarts, should have a very simple fleet.
I could see a turboprop
One narrowbody (either Airbus or Boeing, whatever the best deal is)
One smaller widebody (A330NEO, A350-900, or 787, I do not care. Let's make a deal. Be merciless on terms and only consider owned aircraft if it provides a cost savings via owned parts, simulators, or something else.)


How do they get from here to there?

With U.S. bankruptcy law and private equity there would be a path. (See Bain and Virgin Australia; Indigo's buy into Frontier...)
 
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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:01 pm

Much of the fleet for sale is nothing more than scrap today which they have tried to sell before. The A340s have been on sale for extended period without takers.

hiflyeras wrote:
Sad news. My question would be what is left after this? I assume 787's and A350's?


I believe A350s will be taken back by lessor. TG stopped making payment on them several month back.
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Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:06 pm

eamondzhang wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
36 aircraft for immediate sale by Thai on “As-Is, Where-Is” condition.

10 x B747-400 MSN 26609, 26610, 27724, 27725, 28705,28706, 32369, 32370, 33770, 33771
6 x 777-200 MSN 27726, 27727, 27728, 27729, 27732, 27733
6 x 777-300 MSN 29150, 29151, 29211, 29212, 29213, 29214
6 x A340-600 MSN 677 , 681 , 689 , 710 , 719 , 953
5 x A340-500 MSN 624 , 628 , 775
1 x A300-600 MSN 681
2 x 737-400 MSN 26613, 26614

Interesting to see they finally decided to start selling these planes, some of them have been retired since ages.

No wonder why TG bleeds to badly.

Michae

Unfortunately, the scrap values are very depreciated. I calculate only a low profit on the scrapping of aircraft unless the paper is clean on the parts. Even then, the parts market is flooded, so bids will be low or even just not happening. e.g., the 747, A300, and A340 parts markets are saturated. That does not bode well for a sale.

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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:08 pm

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I believe A350s will be taken back by lessor. TG stopped making payment on them several month back.

I missed this post. That is sad news.

I wonder how many A350s have been 'returned?' Not just TG, but overall. But that is another thread.

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Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:36 pm

lightsaber wrote:
mercure1 wrote:
I believe A350s will be taken back by lessor. TG stopped making payment on them several month back.

I missed this post. That is sad news.

I wonder how many A350s have been 'returned?' Not just TG, but overall. But that is another thread.

Lightsaber


Interesting. I think it makes sense for TG, they simply do not need large aircraft or prestige routes. The 787 or a330neo is a better fit. Maybe Airbus can cut them a deal on the AAX 339s?

That said, they should fly whatever they have with the lowest capital cost. Fuel is cheap right now.
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Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:44 pm

Do we know any statistics for B744, like hours / cycles? Maintenance status?
 
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Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:53 pm

This was on their website.

http://www.thaiaircrafttrading.com/ACWE ... ay?page=HO

No sign of that sort of detailed information.
 
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Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:02 pm

This gives some info;

http://www.antonakis.co.uk/registers/Thailand.txt

For example the A300 is TT 49,125hrs at 07Jan14

Looking at the A340's it seems to gives hours, (which are generally lowish) but not cycles.

I think that 5+ years stored in Thailand is a bigger issue.
 
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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:05 pm

TG defaulted on its 4 A350 leases from Amedeo in April.
They agreed to a 6-month rental deferral with payments rescheduled to recommence in October, which TG then asked for an extension to December 1st.
In regulatory filing Amadeo stated they created a £30mil contingency fund should they need to repossess, store and remarket the frames.
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The A340-541 show TT of about 30K with the A350-642 about 40K.

The only B747 shown is HS-TGJ TT 100,853hrs at 31Aug15;

The B777 do not show TT..

There are few likely takers for the A340's and the B747 has a lot of hrs.

The B777 is hard to judge.
 
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bennett123 wrote:
The A340-541 show TT of about 30K with the A350-642 about 40K.

The only B747 shown is HS-TGJ TT 100,853hrs at 31Aug15;


Thank you for sharing that link, If that is the case (flight hours of 100k), then I am afraid that B744 will not be attractive to anyone. Shame. But, maybe A.net can start an airline. :)

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Interesting. I think it makes sense for TG, they simply do not need large aircraft or prestige routes. The 787 or a330neo is a better fit. Maybe Airbus can cut them a deal on the AAX 339s?

Not sure why you think that? The 787-9 is just slightly smaller than the A350-900; I think both are a good fit for routes to Europe but it doesn't make sense to switch. The A330neo could work on intra-Asia and Australia routes if capital expenditure is an issue but it's even cheaper to keep the A330ceo and old 777 in the fleet.
 
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Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:41 am

LAXintl wrote:
36 aircraft for immediate sale by Thai on “As-Is, Where-Is” condition.

10 x B747-400 MSN 26609, 26610, 27724, 27725, 28705,28706, 32369, 32370, 33770, 33771
6 x 777-200 MSN 27726, 27727, 27728, 27729, 27732, 27733
6 x 777-300 MSN 29150, 29151, 29211, 29212, 29213, 29214
6 x A340-600 MSN 677 , 681 , 689 , 710 , 719 , 953
5 x A340-500 MSN 624 , 628 , 775
1 x A300-600 MSN 681
2 x 737-400 MSN 26613, 26614


I am honestly surprised they still have 734s on property. If anything, they could probably convert the 734s to freighters (assuming they're paid for) and take advantage of the cargo market?
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Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:54 am

Philippine747 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
36 aircraft for immediate sale by Thai on “As-Is, Where-Is” condition.

10 x B747-400 MSN 26609, 26610, 27724, 27725, 28705,28706, 32369, 32370, 33770, 33771
6 x 777-200 MSN 27726, 27727, 27728, 27729, 27732, 27733
6 x 777-300 MSN 29150, 29151, 29211, 29212, 29213, 29214
6 x A340-600 MSN 677 , 681 , 689 , 710 , 719 , 953
5 x A340-500 MSN 624 , 628 , 775
1 x A300-600 MSN 681
2 x 737-400 MSN 26613, 26614


I am honestly surprised they still have 734s on property. If anything, they could probably convert the 734s to freighters (assuming they're paid for) and take advantage of the cargo market?

Their 734s have been prominently parked at the front of their hangar at BKK, it is one of the first planes you would see as you come in from the city.
 
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Thai has 12 a350s (average age of 3.3yrs) 4 owned and 8 leased; 6 787-8 and 2 787-9 (average age of 5.2 yrs) and all are leased, and 15 A330-300 (average age 9.9 years) - all owned. The 14 777-300ERs are between 5 and 8 years old. and 6 are leased. So that's 27 widebodies they own out of the above. Doesn't make sense to keep the 787s.
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https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nal/r6jog3

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nal/rmgdkr

Given that neither was converted to cargo already, and have been parked in Thailand for several years, I doubt they will fly again.

Parked at VCV possibly, at BKK no.
 
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Re: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection

Fri Nov 06, 2020 2:12 pm

The B744’s will be snapped up for their GE CF6 engines, there’s a worldwide shortage of these engines with available ‘green’ wing time for B767F fleets, these engines once upgraded are highly sort after by US cargo outfits and lessors alike.
 
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NZ321 wrote:
Thai has 12 a350s (average age of 3.3yrs) 4 owned and 8 leased; 6 787-8 and 2 787-9 (average age of 5.2 yrs) and all are leased, and 15 A330-300 (average age 9.9 years) - all owned. The 14 777-300ERs are between 5 and 8 years old. and 6 are leased. So that's 27 widebodies they own out of the above. Doesn't make sense to keep the 787s.


It doesn’t make sense to keep 4 A350s either if they return the 8 leased ones, this is TG where we buy a few of each, not a lot makes sense, 15 A333s owned can stay good on regional routes, retire all older 777s keep the 77W. Not sure on A350s and 787s, maybe the 787s have a favourable leasing agreement compared to the A350? A777/787 fleet for long haul makes sense with A333s for regional.
 
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Their 734s have been prominently parked at the front of their hangar at BKK, it is one of the first planes you would see as you come in from the city.

Heh... at Suvarnabhumi? Most of the times I've been to BKK were at night and didn't taxi past the THA mx facilities...
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TG should opt for an all-Airbus fleet.

Lightsaber


They already have an all-Airbus fleet. And an all-Boeing fleet. They have every model.
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