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Kirby Denies He Will Return to AA, Rumors Swirl of Big Changes in AA Leadership

Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:17 am

I would say he was 100% approached which probably means the change part is true with or without Kirby.

Kirby aimed to quash the rumors with comments he made Thursday at the ARC (Airlines Reporting Corporation) conference in Leesburg, Virginia. Kirby said he intends to stay at United, where he reports directly to CEO Oscar Munoz and oversees operations, marketing, revenue management, and network planning.

“I made a commitment to Oscar,” Kirby said. “Oscar was big enough to take a chance on me to bring me to United, and Oscar and United Airlines is the place where I’m going to end my career.”
Kirby made the comments during an interview with Holly Hegeman, publisher of industry newsletter PlaneBusiness Banter. Hegeman had helped to fuel some rumors with a recent article in which she said it was “a given” that the industry would soon see “a major shakeup in the management team at American.”


https://finance.yahoo.com/news/united-p ... 33027.html
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:27 am

Well something needs to happen at AA. You look at their hubs, their assets and you think they should be dominating.
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:31 am

I knew the story of him being blacklisted at the Vegas casinos. Makes me like him even more.
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:32 am

enilria wrote:
United Airlines is the place where I’m going to end my career.”

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/united-p ... 33027.html


If it wasn't already apparent this comment all but confirms that Kirby is CEO in waiting at United.

Kirby is 51, far too young to be thinking about retirement, especially for someone as ambitious as he is. Oscar is 60, has had health scares, and has a tidy pile of money to retire on. I expect him to retire within the next couple of years with Kirby his hand-picked successor.
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:50 am

Drastic times call for drastic action. Doug has to go.
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:57 am

Personally hope that Elise takes the CEO role as it would be great to have a customer and employee focused person at the top.
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:07 am

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Personally hope that Elise takes the CEO role as it would be great to have a customer and employee focused person at the top.


While Elise has worked the ranks (she was a TWA FA) she is very close to Doug and has worked under him for many years. It would be very similar leadership as now. AA needs someone from the outside, not LUS and not from LAA.


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Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:07 am

United wasn’t dumb - his contract probably has a non-compete clause. So even if he wanted to, he can’t.
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:13 am

It was a great interview :) Holly did a good job.
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:22 am

If anyone has access to PlaneBusiness, lastest issue has background on the topic with the opinion that its almost a given that we are going to see changes in the management team at AA, whether this includes CEO or others in the executive suite still to be hashed out. Planebiz also feels something might be announced as soon as the October 24th Q3 earnings call.
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:30 am

There is an ex-CEO from Cathay Pacific who might be looking for work.
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:33 am

Best thing that happened to AA after merger was Kirby and his posse leaving with him. Let him stay in Chicago
 
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United wasn’t dumb - his contract probably has a non-compete clause. So even if he wanted to, he can’t.


Even if it does they can be broken by the courts. Has to do with you can not prevent someone from earning a living, just from sharing trade secrets.
 
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Neelman??
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:48 am

rbavfan wrote:
Scarebus34 wrote:
United wasn’t dumb - his contract probably has a non-compete clause. So even if he wanted to, he can’t.


Even if it does they can be broken by the courts. Has to do with you can not prevent someone from earning a living, just from sharing trade secrets.


Depends entirely how the non-compete is crafted. "Can't work at any airline anywhere" would get tossed, "can't work in an executive position at a US airline with over $20bn/year in revenue" would probably be enforceable.
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:53 am

Scarebus34 wrote:
United wasn’t dumb - his contract probably has a non-compete clause. So even if he wanted to, he can’t.

Non-compete clauses are mostly scary for employees, but they can be very difficult to enforce. Especially in Virginia and California, but elsewhere as well.

lowfareair wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
Scarebus34 wrote:
United wasn’t dumb - his contract probably has a non-compete clause. So even if he wanted to, he can’t.


Even if it does they can be broken by the courts. Has to do with you can not prevent someone from earning a living, just from sharing trade secrets.


Depends entirely how the non-compete is crafted. "Can't work at any airline anywhere" would get tossed, "can't work in an executive position at a US airline with over $20bn/year in revenue" would probably be enforceable.

That’s probably unenforceable too. He’s got a particular skill in a particular industry, and a clause like that prevents him from using his main skill. That’s against public policy.
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:53 am

Move residential address to California or other state where non-compete agreements are illegal and not enforceable...
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:32 am

America stock price is abysmal compared to DL and UA which are of similar size. AA has a market cap of $11Billion, compare that to DL which has a market cap of $34Billion and UA at $21B. Wall Street can’t be happy with Parker.
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:43 am

I a fan of AA in general, but there needs to be leadership change. Doug is not working out, fresh blood is needed. But I'm not sure Kirby is the man either.
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:46 am

Can't imagine Kirby would leave when he has a CEO job waiting in the wings. And it's probably not far in the future. I don't see Oscar being there for the long-term.

And AA leadership change would be a placebo shot like Oscar was. It won't automatically fix the underlying issues.
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:51 am

[quote="737-990"]America stock price is abysmal compared to DL and UA which are of similar size. AA has a market cap of $11Billion, compare that to DL which has a market cap of $34Billion and UA at $21B. Wall Street can’t be happy with Parker.[/quote
Wall St cannot dictate to American as to who to hire and Kirby is in a pretty good Position right now .. American has other options with younger more dynamic guys/Gals waiting in the wings at the other Majors so it's not a need to re-hire someone you showed the door.. go get some new whiz Kid..
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:52 am

I really don't think it would be a surprise at all if the BOD gave Parker a huge walking paper bonus and sent him back to Phoenix. He's done an amazing job turning America West into US Airways into AA, but IMO, AA now needs several fresh thinkers at the helm to pull and stay well ahead of the curve, particularly the Delta steam roller.

As a long time US/AA investor, as much as I hate to admit it, the merger seems to have created not an ever evolving true quality global carrier, but an airline essentially stuck in place - rudderless. It's super easy for us in the peanut gallery to observe, criticize and make uninformed suggestions for improvement, but It'll likely take a veritable genius to initiate/manage the damage control effort required to turn this airline around in a reasonable amount of time and return it to its industry pinnacle.
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:08 am

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Best thing that happened to AA after merger was Kirby and his posse leaving with him. Let him stay in Chicago


Love him or hate him the dude is a fierce competitor and exceptionally smart. AAs short sidedness and ego was United’s gain.
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:13 am

As former HP alumni, Parker in many ways was brilliant and did an amazing job keeping the ship afloat post 9/11, merging with US and eventually AA.
Personally I think Parker has lost much of his drive over the last two decades, and now in hindsight probably was very much blessed being teamed up with a strong numbers guy like Kirby.

Yes its probably time for some fresh blood at AA. Seems things have gotten stale with Parker, and key lieutenants like Isom never impressed me much as being a strong leader in any shape of form to oversee key operational roles and hold the president title.
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:13 am

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I really don't think it would be a surprise at all if the BOD gave Parker a huge walking paper bonus and sent him back to Phoenix. He's done an amazing job turning America West into US Airways into AA, but IMO, AA now needs several fresh thinkers at the helm to pull and stay well ahead of the curve, particularly the Delta steam roller.

As a long time US/AA investor, as much as I hate to admit it, the merger seems to have created not an ever evolving true quality global carrier, but an airline essentially stuck in place - rudderless. It's super easy for us in the peanut gallery to observe, criticize and make uninformed suggestions for improvement, but It'll likely take a veritable genius to initiate/manage the damage control effort required to turn this airline around in a reasonable amount of time and return it to its industry pinnacle.


There are a lot of Managing Directors and VPs in place at AA that can right the ship, it just takes the right ideas and following through with the course taken instead of letting the rudder flip flop. The recent turnover and reshuffling at the MD level is encouraging as there are people in the right areas. The Eagle side of the house has turned around and has had a few months where they beat DL in D0 or A14.

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alasizon wrote:
Personally hope that Elise takes the CEO role as it would be great to have a customer and employee focused person at the top.


While Elise has worked the ranks (she was a TWA FA) she is very close to Doug and has worked under him for many years. It would be very similar leadership as now. AA needs someone from the outside, not LUS and not from LAA.

Just because she has been around Doug doesn't make her ideology the same. In fact, much of the problem in my opinion is that Doug & Robert have been stepping on her toes for the past couple years and neither of them are particularly customer-first people which limits her effectiveness.

I agree that someone external would be best but I'm really not sure who they would go after but reshuffling the deck (Parker, Isom & Kerr out) would leave plenty of room to bring in some new EVPs that could drive better results.
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:19 am

I wouldn't be surprised if Parker is forced out. Frankly, AA needs a house cleaning at the executive level - I'm not convinced other high level executives would fare any better.

This is probably a long shot, but I would welcome Richard Anderson coming back to the airline industry and taking over as AA's CEO.
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 4:26 am

People forget that Doug was leading America West, not a WORLDWIDE MEGA carrier. He was CFO at AWA for approx 6 years before becoming CEO. AWA almost went under for a second BK with him at the helm, yes 9/11 was a factor, but they were teetering anyway. He jumped from the minors to the majors pretty quick.
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DaCubbyBearBar wrote:
People forget that Doug was leading America West, not a WORLDWIDE MEGA carrier. He was CFO at AWA for approx 6 years before becoming CEO. AWA almost went under for a second BK with him at the helm, yes 9/11 was a factor, but they were teetering anyway. He jumped from the minors to the majors pretty quick.


Well, 9/11 was brutal to most airlines, not just HP. I mean every airline at least in the US had to make drastic cuts and fight for survival. Quite a few airlines were at the brink of bankruptcy following the events of 9/11.

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Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:18 am

kondoo wrote:
Best thing that happened to AA after merger was Kirby and his posse leaving with him. Let him stay in Chicago


Boy, those grapes sure are sour. Must be hard seeing all the positive impacts Kirby and his posse have had on United...
 
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This is probably a long shot, but I would welcome Richard Anderson coming back to the airline industry and taking over as AA's CEO.


Ahahahahahaha

1. Richard Anderson is now at Amtrak
2. Things will become very awkward the next time he runs into Ed Bastian.
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alasizon wrote:
acentauri wrote:
I really don't think it would be a surprise at all if the BOD gave Parker a huge walking paper bonus and sent him back to Phoenix. He's done an amazing job turning America West into US Airways into AA, but IMO, AA now needs several fresh thinkers at the helm to pull and stay well ahead of the curve, particularly the Delta steam roller.

As a long time US/AA investor, as much as I hate to admit it, the merger seems to have created not an ever evolving true quality global carrier, but an airline essentially stuck in place - rudderless. It's super easy for us in the peanut gallery to observe, criticize and make uninformed suggestions for improvement, but It'll likely take a veritable genius to initiate/manage the damage control effort required to turn this airline around in a reasonable amount of time and return it to its industry pinnacle.


There are a lot of Managing Directors and VPs in place at AA that can right the ship, it just takes the right ideas and following through with the course taken instead of letting the rudder flip flop. The recent turnover and reshuffling at the MD level is encouraging as there are people in the right areas. The Eagle side of the house has turned around and has had a few months where they beat DL in D0 or A14.


AA does have a few good VPs in place at the moment. Vasu Raja is a noteworthy one. I would also make an argument that David Seymour is one as well. That being said there are plenty of issues at the MD level, and I think some of the Managing Directors in place also need to go.

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alasizon wrote:
Personally hope that Elise takes the CEO role as it would be great to have a customer and employee focused person at the top.


While Elise has worked the ranks (she was a TWA FA) she is very close to Doug and has worked under him for many years. It would be very similar leadership as now. AA needs someone from the outside, not LUS and not from LAA.

Just because she has been around Doug doesn't make her ideology the same. In fact, much of the problem in my opinion is that Doug & Robert have been stepping on her toes for the past couple years and neither of them are particularly customer-first people which limits her effectiveness.

I agree that someone external would be best but I'm really not sure who they would go after but reshuffling the deck (Parker, Isom & Kerr out) would leave plenty of room to bring in some new EVPs that could drive better results.


Elyse Eberwein has done some good things. I don't know if she is the right woman though. I agree with your assessment about VPs and MDs needing more freedom than Parker and Isom give them. I am not sure that would change with Eberwein.

I am going to throw a name out there that A.Net folks might know. Virasb Vahedi was very well respected as a high level AA executive prior to the merger, and was shown the door by Parker and Co. He knows AA, and maybe he would come back and could be the guy to right the ship?
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:25 am

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I wouldn't be surprised if Parker is forced out. Frankly, AA needs a house cleaning at the executive level - I'm not convinced other high level executives would fare any better.

This is probably a long shot, but I would welcome Richard Anderson coming back to the airline industry and taking over as AA's CEO.

Part of the problem I see with Anderson is many of the people in place at AA are Northwest alumni, and many of the issues are because AA is doing a lot of things the same way that NW did. Anderson coming in would not help that at all, and would only reinforce among the front line the Northwest way of doing things, which is a big part of why morale is not high at AA right now.
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:30 am

If you want a name, I'd vote for Glen Hauenstein from DL.
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:56 am

If AA really wants to tweak DL’s nose - there’s just the CEO who maybe looking for a change himself rather soon - hire Akbar Al Baker from QR.
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 6:51 am

Maybe Ben Baldanza will want to end his career where it begun. For all the mileage the man’s racked up, he’s ”only” 57...
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:06 am

apodino wrote:
alasizon wrote:
acentauri wrote:
I really don't think it would be a surprise at all if the BOD gave Parker a huge walking paper bonus and sent him back to Phoenix. He's done an amazing job turning America West into US Airways into AA, but IMO, AA now needs several fresh thinkers at the helm to pull and stay well ahead of the curve, particularly the Delta steam roller.

As a long time US/AA investor, as much as I hate to admit it, the merger seems to have created not an ever evolving true quality global carrier, but an airline essentially stuck in place - rudderless. It's super easy for us in the peanut gallery to observe, criticize and make uninformed suggestions for improvement, but It'll likely take a veritable genius to initiate/manage the damage control effort required to turn this airline around in a reasonable amount of time and return it to its industry pinnacle.


There are a lot of Managing Directors and VPs in place at AA that can right the ship, it just takes the right ideas and following through with the course taken instead of letting the rudder flip flop. The recent turnover and reshuffling at the MD level is encouraging as there are people in the right areas. The Eagle side of the house has turned around and has had a few months where they beat DL in D0 or A14.


AA does have a few good VPs in place at the moment. Vasu Raja is a noteworthy one. I would also make an argument that David Seymour is one as well. That being said there are plenty of issues at the MD level, and I think some of the Managing Directors in place also need to go.

chepos wrote:

While Elise has worked the ranks (she was a TWA FA) she is very close to Doug and has worked under him for many years. It would be very similar leadership as now. AA needs someone from the outside, not LUS and not from LAA.

Just because she has been around Doug doesn't make her ideology the same. In fact, much of the problem in my opinion is that Doug & Robert have been stepping on her toes for the past couple years and neither of them are particularly customer-first people which limits her effectiveness.

I agree that someone external would be best but I'm really not sure who they would go after but reshuffling the deck (Parker, Isom & Kerr out) would leave plenty of room to bring in some new EVPs that could drive better results.


Elyse Eberwein has done some good things. I don't know if she is the right woman though. I agree with your assessment about VPs and MDs needing more freedom than Parker and Isom give them. I am not sure that would change with Eberwein.

I am going to throw a name out there that A.Net folks might know. Virasb Vahedi was very well respected as a high level AA executive prior to the merger, and was shown the door by Parker and Co. He knows AA, and maybe he would come back and could be the guy to right the ship?


Seymour is not very well liked after him and another got on jetnet and tried to sell us a bag of you know what in their contract proposal with their feel good videos etc. He can go with the rest of them.
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:08 am

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United wasn’t dumb - his contract probably has a non-compete clause. So even if he wanted to, he can’t.


Even if there is such a clause, it will be time-limited probably to a maximum of six months. Otherwise, he would have been very stupid to have signed it and I'm sure he's not stupid.

"Unfair restraint of trade" is a thing and I doubt UA would want it tested in a court of law.
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:22 am

It won’t be Kirby he was asked to leave after a certain indiscretion. It needs to be someone from outside.

Seymour is not liked by maintenance and ramp, who still don’t have a joint contract.
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:24 am

scbriml wrote:
Scarebus34 wrote:
United wasn’t dumb - his contract probably has a non-compete clause. So even if he wanted to, he can’t.


Even if there is such a clause, it will be time-limited probably to a maximum of six months. Otherwise, he would have been very stupid to have signed it and I'm sure he's not stupid.

"Unfair restraint of trade" is a thing and I doubt UA would want it tested in a court of law.

Non-compete clause are totally legal, and have been tested in court. Kirby didn’t have one at AA.

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If AA really wants to tweak DL’s nose - there’s just the CEO who maybe looking for a change himself rather soon - hire Akbar Al Baker from QR.


The CEO of a US airline must be a US citizen.
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:03 am

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Move residential address to California or other state where non-compete agreements are illegal and not enforceable...


I’d expect the contract has an agreed upon set of laws for adjudicating disputes. I’d bet for Kirby’s case it’s either Illinois where the UA HQ is or Delaware where UA is Incorporated.
 
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Non-compete clause are totally legal, and have been tested in court. Kirby didn’t have one at AA.

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/what- ... nt-2062045


Where did I say it was illegal? I said if there is such a clause it will certainly be time limited (which your linked article says). My comment regarding "unfair restraint of trade" was in relation to the suggestion that such a clause would be "forever".

We are in agreement. :)
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:59 am

Anything works at this point.

We need a change from Parker. He still thinks he is running HP.
 
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Re: Kirby Denies He Will Return to AA, Rumors Swirl of Big Changes in AA Leadership

Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:01 am

AA needs someone who will come in and chop all of the dead wood and remove the droves of people who are so obviously over their heads at a major airline. Who could that be?? C-R-A-N-D-A-L-L
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Re: Kirby Denies He Will Return to AA, Rumors Swirl of Big Changes in AA Leadership

Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:32 am

Phoenix757767 wrote:
scbriml wrote:
Scarebus34 wrote:
United wasn’t dumb - his contract probably has a non-compete clause. So even if he wanted to, he can’t.


Even if there is such a clause, it will be time-limited probably to a maximum of six months. Otherwise, he would have been very stupid to have signed it and I'm sure he's not stupid.

"Unfair restraint of trade" is a thing and I doubt UA would want it tested in a court of law.

Non-compete clause are totally legal, and have been tested in court. Kirby didn’t have one at AA.

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/what- ... nt-2062045

That article doesn’t really support your argument.
For one, line employees get the non-compete clauses voided when the old employer tries to enforce them all the time. Executives fare even better.

States do not like non-compete clauses, and work to curb their effectiveness, if not ban them outright. Illinois is one of the states that disfavors them.

https://www.glickmanpc.com/blog/covenan ... linois-law
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Re: Kirby Denies He Will Return to AA, Rumors Swirl of Big Changes in AA Leadership

Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:34 am

gen2stew wrote:
AA needs someone who will come in and chop all of the dead wood and remove the droves of people who are so obviously over their heads at a major airline. Who could that be?? C-R-A-N-D-A-L-L

Crandall is not coming back and he has stayed so. And the employees hated Crandall too he had to have bodyguards especially after he moved the headquarters from NY to TX.
 
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Re: Kirby Denies He Will Return to AA, Rumors Swirl of Big Changes in AA Leadership

Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:43 am

acentauri wrote:
I really don't think it would be a surprise at all if the BOD gave Parker a huge walking paper bonus and sent him back to Phoenix. He's done an amazing job turning America West into US Airways into AA, but IMO, AA now needs several fresh thinkers at the helm to pull and stay well ahead of the curve, particularly the Delta steam roller.

As a long time US/AA investor, as much as I hate to admit it, the merger seems to have created not an ever evolving true quality global carrier, but an airline essentially stuck in place - rudderless. It's super easy for us in the peanut gallery to observe, criticize and make uninformed suggestions for improvement, but It'll likely take a veritable genius to initiate/manage the damage control effort required to turn this airline around in a reasonable amount of time and return it to its industry pinnacle.

Here’s my opinion.

People tend to be good at particular things and because of that they gravitate their career toward their skill set.

Neeleman is really good at starting airlines. He doesn’t appear very good at steady state. He either sells out or is forced out.

Parker is “a deal guy”. He’s great at putting pieces together. There is no deal left to do at AA as they reached maximum size.
 
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Re: Kirby Denies He Will Return to AA, Rumors Swirl of Big Changes in AA Leadership

Fri Oct 04, 2019 11:54 am

Adipocere wrote:
If AA really wants to tweak DL’s nose - there’s just the CEO who maybe looking for a change himself rather soon - hire Akbar Al Baker from QR.


AAB has no skills to qualify him to run a heavily unionized U.S. carrier. Dictatorial loud-mouths just don't work.
 
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Re: Kirby Denies He Will Return to AA, Rumors Swirl of Big Changes in AA Leadership

Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:11 pm

Phoenix757767 wrote:
gen2stew wrote:
AA needs someone who will come in and chop all of the dead wood and remove the droves of people who are so obviously over their heads at a major airline. Who could that be?? C-R-A-N-D-A-L-L

Crandall is not coming back and he has stayed so. And the employees hated Crandall too he had to have bodyguards especially after he moved the headquarters from NY to TX.

You are absolutely correct that the employees hated him; they also respected him. As is frequently recounted by those who survived him " he's a son of a b*****, but he's our son of a b****". The same cant be said for the current regime.
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Re: Kirby Denies He Will Return to AA, Rumors Swirl of Big Changes in AA Leadership

Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:23 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Move residential address to California or other state where non-compete agreements are illegal and not enforceable...


I don't think that will work. If the companies are not located in California and the employee did not live in California at the time of the signing and would not be working in California you can't just pretend to live there and have California law apply.

Also, ALL contracts have a clause that indicates which State law applies.

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