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Could combi aircraft work for Bahamasair?

Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:46 am

Given the kind of environment they operate in as well as numerous things I've seen and read regarding their subpar load factors and constant losses, I figured I bring up this thought. Could Bahamasair have a use for combi aircraft? I feel that they could bring in more profits from the extra cargo they could haul on their family island flights as well as on the flights to/from Florida (especially coming back to NAS). Some examples they could look at are like fitting some of their ATR's with the manufacturer's 'Cargo flex' option as well as maybe a 737 combi almost like the ones AS used to fly.

What do you think about it? Should UP look into this kind of setup?
 
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Re: Could combi aircraft work for Bahamasair?

Sat Oct 05, 2019 2:51 am

MavyWavyATR wrote:
Given the kind of environment they operate in as well as numerous things I've seen and read regarding their subpar load factors and constant losses, I figured I bring up this thought. Could Bahamasair have a use for combi aircraft? I feel that they could bring in more profits from the extra cargo they could haul on their family island flights as well as on the flights to/from Florida (especially coming back to NAS). Some examples they could look at are like fitting some of their ATR's with the manufacturer's 'Cargo flex' option as well as maybe a 737 combi almost like the ones AS used to fly.

What do you think about it? Should UP look into this kind of setup?

Too many cheap gypsy freighters in Florida to compete against.
Keep in mind that Bahamsair operates as much as a Jobs Program, as an airline.
 
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Re: Could combi aircraft work for Bahamasair?

Sat Oct 05, 2019 3:31 am

Not sure its needed. There are multiple ships that operate between Florida and Bahama islands carrying everything from petroleum to cars, to food and all types of consumer and business goods.
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Re: Could combi aircraft work for Bahamasair?

Sat Oct 05, 2019 3:39 pm

What about DH8D combis for intra-Island use? Such are in use in Japan.
 
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Re: Could combi aircraft work for Bahamasair?

Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:00 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Not sure its needed. There are multiple ships that operate between Florida and Bahama islands carrying everything from petroleum to cars, to food and all types of consumer and business goods.

That's part of the reason why I came up with my initial thought, especially in particular to the mailboats within the Bahamas. Take NAS-GGT for example; a 737 combi could deliver a good bulk of the essentials in roughly 20 minutes while the mailboat takes like 12-14 hours to deliver almost the same thing. I figured maybe UP could sell combi's as a faster shipping alternative to the mailboats in some capacity while still giving citizens a lift throughout the country.
 
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Re: Could combi aircraft work for Bahamasair?

Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:34 pm

the ATR's would probably be the best fit for Bahama Air because of the number of smaller runways they have scattered about. I'm not sure how many 737 Combi's are available. I know Canadian North operates them, and I've seen several discussions about what they will do when they are out of life.
 
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Re: Could combi aircraft work for Bahamasair?

Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:57 pm

MavyWavyATR wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Not sure its needed. There are multiple ships that operate between Florida and Bahama islands carrying everything from petroleum to cars, to food and all types of consumer and business goods.

That's part of the reason why I came up with my initial thought, especially in particular to the mailboats within the Bahamas. Take NAS-GGT for example; a 737 combi could deliver a good bulk of the essentials in roughly 20 minutes while the mailboat takes like 12-14 hours to deliver almost the same thing. I figured maybe UP could sell combi's as a faster shipping alternative to the mailboats in some capacity while still giving citizens a lift throughout the country.


But what’s the volume of cargo where saving 12 hours or so adds value? It may not be that high.
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Re: Could combi aircraft work for Bahamasair?

Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:24 pm

MavyWavyATR wrote:
That's part of the reason why I came up with my initial thought, especially in particular to the mailboats within the Bahamas. Take NAS-GGT for example; a 737 combi could deliver a good bulk of the essentials in roughly 20 minutes while the mailboat takes like 12-14 hours to deliver almost the same thing. I figured maybe UP could sell combi's as a faster shipping alternative to the mailboats in some capacity while still giving citizens a lift throughout the country.


Who really needs something flown in 20 minutes and the cost of such versus normal ship transfer? Anyways Bahamasair can always move small urgent packages on its existing services, does not need a freighter.
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Re: Could combi aircraft work for Bahamasair?

Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:49 am

UP has done something similar decades ago when they bought their HS-748's one was specifically purchased as a cargo conversion, it had the extra large cargo door, however, to my knowledge it was never used as the operation did not allow the a/c to be removed from pax service for any length of time. Even when they switched to Dash-8's a cargo option was discussed, do not recall if it was ever taken up, however, the route where those cargo options were to be used was MIA-NAS to bring back all the bags that could not be loaded on the 737's. Imagine the problem when they had ceased using 737's and were Dash-8's only, now that the 737's are back they still struggle to bring all the bags during the winter season, and that is with multiple flights per day.
Baggage has always been UP's problem, too many dedicated cargo operators in Miami / South Florida for them to get involved.

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