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OAG Changes 10/6/2019:AS Cuts SFO-BNA/KOA/RDU,SJC-JFK/KOA/SNA,Adds SFO-PHX;DL In SEATPA;NK In SJU-EWR/BOS;DY EWR>JFK

Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:05 pm

FAQ

AS OF JULY 2018 THERE ARE CHANGES TO THE FORMAT OF THIS REPORT...SEE BELOW

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...prior year departures are now shown in brackets e.g. [0].

THE SCHEDULES SHOWN HERE CHANGE AFTER YOU POST???
-To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often---Winston Churchill. This is data the carriers filed at the point in time it was captured. It's changed since then. You are just going to have to live with it.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5[4] JAN 4>5[4]
XXX Departure IATA code, YYY Arrival IATA code, Month, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of last week, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of this week, in brackets is the number of Average Departures/Day over the month that were scheduled one year earlier. So, it means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. It also means that there were 4 roundtrips the prior year in each month. No other months were changed. I average two directions.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
NEW CHANGE-Sometimes airlines do not load their schedules for the entire 330 day standard sales window. Southwest and many LCCs load their schedules for as little as 5 months into the future. When these flight are extended into a new sales month, it becomes a "schedule change". Previously, I have manually deleted these in many cases and replaced them with a Year-Over-Year compare. Effective immediately, this will now change. When a flight is loaded from 0 departures X departures, where X was the same the prior year, the record will not be shown. For example, if Delta loaded ATL-EGE MAR 0>1(1), it would not be shown because this additional flight does not represent a real year-over-year addition. Similarly, if B6 extended their schedule a record like this ATL-BOS JUL 0>4(4) would not be shown. It will be shown if the flight frequency changed from the prior year. So B6 ATL-BOS JUL 0>3(4) would be shown. If a partial month was loaded in a core schedule that became a full schedule month, those changes may be shown under this logic. For example, WN BNA-SEA 0.3>2(2). Because only a fraction of the month was previously loaded for sale, these changes will not be filtered out. I may, however, manually remove them to declutter.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month. The following criteria are used to show a change: 1) The change must be at least 6 roundtrips per month with no exceptions, 2) changes of at least 6/week are always shown, 3) routes that are added or dropped are shown subject to the change minimum, and 4) in all other cases routes must change by 20% to be shown. For example, if a route changed from 21/week to 18/week it would not be shown because the change is -14.3%. This is done to filter minor changes that occur in large numbers.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. If the route has more than 2 daily flights, departures are rounded, but in cases of less than 2 departures per day a fraction is shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
Seats are not shown. That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard or overlapping schedule periods that see the same flight number in two places at once. These cause flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

7H ANC-FAI JAN 1.6>2[2.0] FEB 1.7>2[2] MAR 1.7>2[2] APR 1.7>2[2] MAY 1.7>2[2]

AA BDL-LAX MAR 0.4>0.9[0.9] APR 0.4>1.0[0.9] MAY 0.5>1.0[1.0] JUN 0.4>1.0[0.6] JUL 0.5>1.0[1.0]
AA BNA-MIA JAN 3>2[3] FEB 3>2[3] MAR 3>2[3] APR 3>2[3]
*AA BOS-LHR APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0]
AA BUF-CLT JAN 3>4[3] FEB 3>4[4] MAR 3>4[4]
AA CLT-ELH MAR 0.6>0.3[0.2] APR 0.6>0.3[0.1] MAY 0.6>0.3[0.1] JUN 0.6>0.3[0.2] JUL 0.5>0.3[0.1]
AA CMH-LAX JAN 2>1.2[1.7] FEB 2>1.0[1.7] MAR 2>1.0[1.7] APR 2>1.0[1.7]
AA CUN-DFW JAN 7>6[6]
AA DEN-LAX JAN 3>4[3] FEB 3>4[3] MAR 3>4[3] APR 3>4[3] MAY 3>4[3] JUN 3>4[3] JUL 3>4[3]
AA DFW-NRT JAN 1.8>1.4[2]
AA EWR-MIA JAN 3>4[3] FEB 3>4[3] MAR 3>4[3]
AA GCM-MIA JAN 3>2[3]
*AA GCM-ORD JUN 0.5>0[0.5] JUL 0.6>0[0.6]
AA IAH-MIA JAN 5>4[5] FEB 5>4[5] MAR 5>4[5] APR 5>4[5]
AA LAX-SAT JAN 3>2[3] FEB 3>2[3] MAR 3>2[3] APR 3>2[3]
AA LIM-MIA APR 2>3[2] MAY 2>3[2] JUN 2>3[2] JUL 2>3[2]
AA MIA-PIT JAN 2>3[3] FEB 2>3[3] MAR 2>3[3]
*AA ORD-PLS JUN 0.4>0[0.4] JUL 0.4>0[0.4]
AA ORD-PSP JAN 1.8>1.0[2] FEB 2>1.6[2]

AC BOS-YOW DEC 1.9>1.4[1.5]
AC PBI-YUL DEC 0.6>1.1[0.6]
AC PIT-YYZ DEC 3>2[3]
AC RSW-YYZ DEC 2>3[1.8]

AF BOS-CDG APR 1.0>1.8[1.0] MAY 1.0>1.8[1.0] JUN 1.1>2[1.5]

AS ANC-KOA MAR 0.6>0.4[0.6]
AS ANC-OGG MAR 0.5>0.3[0.5]
AS AUS-SAN MAR 1.0>1.4[1.0] APR 1.0>2[1.0] MAY 1.0>2[1.0] JUN 1.0>2[1.0] JUL 1.0>2[1.0]
**AS BNA-SFO APR 0.3>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0]
AS BOI-SJC MAR 1.0>1.4[1.0] APR 1.0>1.9[1.0] MAY 1.0>1.8[1.0] JUN 1.0>1.9[1.0] JUL 1.0>1.9[1.0]
AS EWR-SFO MAR 4>3[3] APR 4>3[3]
AS GEG-SEA JAN 17>15[15]
AS HNL-SJC APR 0.6>1.0[0.6] MAY 0.7>1.0[0.5]
**AS JFK-SJC JAN 1.0>0.2[1.0] FEB 1.0>0[1.0] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0]
AS KOA-SAN MAR 0.4>0.6[0.4] APR 0.4>1.0[0.4] MAY 0.6>1.0[0.4]
**AS KOA-SFO MAR 0.6>0.4[0.6] APR 0.6>0[0.6] MAY 0.6>0[0.6] JUN 0.6>0[0.6] JUL 0.6>0[0.6]
AS KOA-SJC MAR 0.5>0.7[0.5] APR 0.6>1.0[0.6] MAY 0.7>1.0[0.6]
**AS KOA-SMF MAR 0.4>0.2[0.4] APR 0.4>0[0.4] MAY 0.4>0[0.4] JUN 0.4>0[0.4] JUL 0.4>0[0.4]
AS LAS-LAX APR 4>3[4]
AS LAS-PDX JAN 3>4[3]
AS LAX-PDX APR 8>7[7] MAY 8>7[8]
AS LAX-SJC JAN 4>6[4] FEB 4>7[4] MAR 4>7[4] APR 4>7[4] MAY 4>7[4] JUN 4>7[4] JUL 4>7[4]
AS LAX-SJD MAY 2>3[1.7]
AS LIH-SAN MAR 0.6>0.8[0.6] APR 0.6>1.0[0.6] MAY 0.7>1.0[0.6]
AS MCI-SEA MAY 2>3[1.9] JUN 2>3[2] JUL 2>3[2]
AS MSO-PDX MAR 1.0>1.4[1.0] APR 1.0>2[1.0] MAY 1.0>1.6[1.0]
AS OGG-SEA JUN 2>3[2] JUL 2>3[2]
AS ORD-SFO APR 2>1.6[1.0]
AS PDX-PSP JAN 3>2[2] MAY 1.7>1.3[2]
AS PDX-PVR MAY 0>0.4[0]
AS PDX-SEA JAN 22>21[23]
AS PDX-SJC APR 4>5[4]
AS PDX-SJD MAY 0>0.4[0]
AS PHL-SEA MAR 1.0>1.4[1.0] APR 1.0>2[1.0] MAY 1.3>2[1.0]
They tried this before, right? Kinda surprising...
**AS PHX-SFO FEB 0>1.0[0.5] MAR 0>1.7[1.5] APR 0>1.7[0] MAY 0>1.7[0] JUN 0>1.7[0] JUL 0>1.7[0]
AS PSP-SEA MAY 5>3[4]
**AS PVR-SJC MAR 0>0.4[0] APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0]
**AS RDU-SFO APR 0.3>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0]
AS RNO-SJC JAN 1.9>1.2[1.9] FEB 1.8>1.0[1.9] MAR 1.9>1.0[1.8] APR 1.9>1.0[1.9] MAY 1.8>1.0[1.8] JUN 1.9>1.0[1.8] JUL 1.9>1.0[1.8]
AS SAN-SLC FEB 1.0>1.6[1.0] MAR 1.0>2[1.0] APR 1.0>2[1.0] MAY 1.0>2[1.0] JUN 1.0>2[1.0] JUL 1.0>2[1.0]
AS SAN-STS DEC 1.0>1.4[1.0]
AS SEA-STS MAR 1.0>1.4[1.0] APR 1.0>2[1.0] MAY 1.3>1.9[1.0]
AS SEA-YVR JAN 5>6[5] APR 6>7[6] MAY 6>7[6] JUN 6>7[6] JUL 6>7[6]
AS SJC-SJD MAR 1.0>1.3[0.9] APR 1.0>1.7[1.0] MAY 1.0>1.7[1.0] JUN 1.0>1.7[1.0] JUL 1.0>1.7[1.0]
**AS SJC-SNA JAN 4>0.9[4] FEB 4>0[4] MAR 4>0[4] APR 4>0[4] MAY 4>0[4] JUN 4>0[4] JUL 4>0[4]
AS SJC-TUS JAN 1.0>0.2[1.0] FEB 1.0>0.3[1.0] MAR 1.0>0.5[1.0] APR 1.0>0.5[1.0] MAY 1.0>0.5[1.0] JUN 1.0>0.5[1.0] JUL 1.0>0.5[1.0]

AZ FCO-SFO JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.4[0]

B6 AUA-BOS APR 2>3[3]
B6 BOS-CHS APR 1.1>1.4[2]
B6 BOS-FLL MAR 5>6[6]
B6 BOS-SDQ FEB 1.1>1.4[1.1] MAR 1.0>1.5[1.0] APR 1.1>1.5[1.0]
B6 BOS-TPA FEB 4>5[5] MAR 3>5[5] APR 3>5[5]
B6 FLL-JFK MAR 8>9[8] APR 8>9[8]
B6 JFK-PUJ FEB 1.8>1.2[1.8] MAR 2>1.3[2] APR 2>1.4[2]
B6 JFK-RSW MAR 3>4[3] APR 3>4[3]
B6 JFK-TPA MAR 2>3[4] APR 2>3[4]

DL AMS-TPA APR 1.0>0.6[0]
DL ATL-BRU APR 1.0>0.7[0.7]
DL ATL-PVR JUN 0.9>0.7[1.2] JUL 1.0>0.7[1.1]
DL CDG-DTW APR 1.6>1.0[1.4]
DL CDG-IND APR 1.0>0.7[0.7]
DL CDG-JFK MAY 2>1.4[1.0]
DL DTW-LHR APR 2>1.0[1.5]
DL DTW-MUC APR 1.0>0[0]
DL EWR-MSP MAY 5>6[5]
DL JFK-TXL APR 1.0>0.7[0]
WS prep?
*DL JFK-YVR APR 0>0.7[0] MAY 0>0.7[0] JUN 0.6>0.9[0.6]
DL LHR-PDX APR 0>0.2[0] MAY 0.8>1.0[0.7]
*DL SEA-TPA MAR 0>0.7[0] APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0]

Back in OAK and FLL?
Against EK (EWR)? Ballsy...
**DY ATH-JFK APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.6[0] JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.5[0.6]
*DY BCN-EWR NOV 0.7>0[0.7] DEC 0.9>0[0.9] JAN 0.8>0[0.9] FEB 0.9>0[0.9] MAR 1.0>0[0.8] APR 1.0>0[0.9] MAY 1.0>0[0.8] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 0.6>0[1.0]
DY BCN-FLL JUN 0>0.4[0.3] JUL 0>0.4[0.3]
*DY BCN-JFK APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0]
*DY BCN-SFO APR 0>0.5[0] MAY 0>0.5[0] JUN 0>0.6[0] JUL 0>0.6[0]
DY CDG-DEN APR 0>0.5[0.4] MAY 0>0.6[0.5] JUN 0>0.6[0.4] JUL 0>0.6[0.5]
*DY CDG-SFO APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.4[0]
*DY EWR-FCO NOV 0.7>0[0.9] DEC 0.7>0[0.9] JAN 0.7>0[1.0] FEB 0.7>0[0.9] MAR 0.8>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0[1.0]
*DY FCO-JFK APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0]
DY FCO-LAX APR 0>0.5[0.6] MAY 0>0.7[0.6] JUN 0>0.7[0.6] JUL 0>0.7[0.6]
DY FCO-OAK APR 0>0.3[0.4] JUL 0>0.5[0.4]
DY FLL-OSL MAY 0>0.4[0.3] JUN 0>0.4[0.3] JUL 0>0.4[0.3]
DY LAX-MAD APR 0>0.6[0.4] JUN 0>0.7[0.6] JUL 0>0.7[0.6]
DY OAK-OSL APR 0>0.4[0.3] MAY 0>0.4[0.3] JUN 0>0.4[0.3] JUL 0>0.5[0.3]

EI DUB-EWR JAN 0.6>1.0[0.6] FEB 0.6>1.0[0.6]
EI DUB-IAD JAN 1.0>0.6[0.6] FEB 1.0>0.6[0.6]

J5 AGN-JNU MAR 0>0.6[1.0]
J5 AGN-TKE MAR 0>0.6[1.0]
J5 HNH-JNU MAR 0>2[4] APR 0>0.2[5]
J5 HNS-JNU JAN 0>3[2] MAR 0>2[3] APR 0>0.2[3]
J5 HNS-SGY JAN 0>1.0[0.5] FEB 0>1.0[0.5] MAR 0>0.2[1.0]
J5 JNU-KAE DEC 0.5>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.5[1.0] MAR 0>0.5[1.0]
J5 JNU-SGY NOV 0.1>3[3] DEC 1.0>3[3] JAN 0>3[2] MAR 0>2[3] APR 0>0.2[3]
J5 JNU-SIT NOV 0.5>1.9[3] DEC 1.0>1.9[1.9] FEB 0>1.5[3] MAR 0>1.5[2]
J5 JNU-TKE MAR 0>0.6[1.0]
J5 KAE-SIT DEC 0.5>1.0[1.0] FEB 0>0.5[1.0] MAR 0>0.5[1.0]

K2 BET-OOK NOV 0>0.4[0] DEC 0>0.4[0] JAN 0>0.4[0] FEB 0>0.4[0] MAR 0>0.4[0] APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.4[0]
K2 BET-WTL NOV 0>1.7[0] DEC 0>1.7[0] JAN 0>1.7[0] FEB 0>1.7[0] MAR 0>1.7[0] APR 0>1.7[0] MAY 0>1.7[0] JUN 0>1.7[0] JUL 0>1.7[0]

K3 CGA-KLW NOV 0.8>1.6[0.8] DEC 0.8>1.5[0.8] JAN 0.8>1.5[0.8] FEB 0.8>1.5[0.8] MAR 0.8>1.5[1.7] APR 0.9>1.6[1.3] MAY 0.8>1.5[1.7] JUN 0.9>1.6[1.7] JUL 0.9>1.6[1.7]
K3 KPB-PPV NOV 0>0.3[0.2] DEC 0>0.3[0.2] JAN 0>0.3[0.2] FEB 0>0.3[0.2] MAR 0>0.3[0.4] APR 0>0.3[0.4] MAY 0>0.3[0.4] JUN 0>0.3[0.4] JUL 0>0.3[0.5]
K3 KTB-KTN NOV 0.8>1.2[1.2] DEC 0.8>1.2[1.2] JAN 0.8>1.2[1.2] FEB 0.8>1.2[1.2] MAR 0.8>1.3[1.3] APR 0.9>1.3[1.3] MAY 0.8>1.2[1.3] JUN 0.9>1.3[1.3] JUL 0.9>1.3[1.3]

L0 ACK-DXR NOV 0.6>0.2[0] DEC 0.6>0.2[0] JAN 0.6>0.2[0] FEB 0.6>0.2[0] MAR 0.6>0.2[0] APR 0.6>0.2[0] MAY 0.6>0.2[0] JUN 0.6>0.2[0] JUL 0.6>0.2[0]

LA LAX-SCL APR 0.7>1.0[0.7] MAY 0.7>1.0[0.7] JUN 0.7>1.0[0.7] JUL 0.7>1.0[0.7]

LV BOS-ORY APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0] JUL 0>0.4[0]

NK BDL-MYR FEB 0>0.3[0] MAR 0.4>0.8[0.3] APR 0.4>0.7[0.6]
*NK BOS-SJU DEC 0>0.2[0] JAN 0>0.5[0] FEB 0>0.5[0] MAR 0>0.5[0] APR 0>0.4[0]
*NK EWR-SJU DEC 0>0.2[0] JAN 0>0.5[0] FEB 0>0.5[0] MAR 0>0.5[0] APR 0>0.4[0]
NK PHL-SJU MAR 0.5>1.0[0] APR 0.4>0.7[0]

PY AUA-MIA NOV 0.3>0.1[0.4] JAN 0.3>0.1[0.3] FEB 0.3>0[0.3]

SE CDG-EWR NOV 0.7>0[0] DEC 0.6>0[0] JAN 0.6>0[0] FEB 0.6>0[0] MAR 0.6>0[0] APR 0.8>0[0] MAY 1.0>0[0] JUN 1.0>0[0.9] JUL 1.0>0[1.0]
SE CDG-LAX JUN 0.5>0[0.4] JUL 0.5>0[0.6]
SE CDG-MIA JUL 0.5>0[0.4]
SE CDG-SFO JUN 0.3>0[0.1] JUL 0.4>0[0.4]

SY PDX-PHX JAN 0>0.3[0.6] FEB 0>0.3[0.6] MAR 0>0.3[0.4]
SY PDX-SFO JAN 0.6>0.3[0.3] FEB 0.6>0.3[0.3] MAR 0.6>0.3[0.3]
SY PSP-SFO JAN 0.6>0.3[0.3] FEB 0.6>0.3[0.3] MAR 0.6>0.3[0.3]

TS MSY-YUL MAY 0>0.3[0] JUN 0>0.3[0] JUL 0>0.3[0]

UA ASE-DEN JUN 7>8[7]
I don't think this will be nearly as good at IAD
*UA CAK-EWR MAY 1.6>0.4[2] JUN 1.5>0[1.9] JUL 1.5>0[1.8]
*UA CAK-IAD MAY 0>2[0] JUN 0>3[0] JUL 0>3[0]
UA DEN-EGE JUN 1.5>2[2]
UA DEN-GUC JUN 1.4>1.9[1.8]
UA DEN-JAC JUL 4>5[4]
UA EWR-VCE MAY 0.8>1.0[1.0]
*UA IAD-PBI FEB 0>0.6[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0]
Hmm...
**UA IAD-PHL MAY 0>3[0] JUN 0>4[0] JUL 0>4[0.0]
UA IAH-RNO DEC 1.4>1.0[0.7]
UA JAC-LAX JUN 0.9>0.6[0.6]
UA JAC-SFO MAR 2>1.5[1.9]

UP FLL-FPO NOV 1.7>0.8[1.6]
UP FLL-GGT DEC 0>0.3[0]
UP FLL-NAS NOV 3>4[4] DEC 3>5[4] APR 3>4[4] MAY 3>4[3] JUN 3>4[3] JUL 3>4[3]
UP MCO-NAS APR 1.9>3[1.4] MAY 2>3[1.7] JUN 2>3[2] JUL 2>3[2]
UP MHH-PBI NOV 0.9>0.4[0.9]
UP MIA-NAS DEC 4>3[3] APR 4>3[3] MAY 4>3[4] JUN 4>3[4] JUL 4>3[4]

V8 ANC-ILI NOV 4>6[4] DEC 4>6[4] JAN 4>6[4] FEB 4>6[4] MAR 4>6[4] APR 4>6[4] MAY 4>6[4] JUN 4>6[4] JUL 4>6[4]

X4 AGN-JNU NOV 1.0>0[0] DEC 1.0>0[0] JAN 1.0>0[0] FEB 1.0>0[0] MAR 0.6>0[0]
X4 AGN-TKE NOV 1.0>0[0] DEC 1.0>0[0] JAN 1.0>0[0] FEB 1.0>0[0] MAR 0.6>0[0]
X4 CGA-KLW NOV 0.4>0[0] DEC 0.4>0[0] JAN 0.4>0[0] FEB 0.4>0[0] MAR 0.4>0[0] APR 0.4>0[0] MAY 0.4>0[0] JUN 0.4>0[0] JUL 0.4>0[0]
X4 CGA-KTB NOV 0.4>0[0] DEC 0.4>0[0] JAN 0.4>0[0] FEB 0.4>0[0] MAR 0.4>0[0] APR 0.4>0[0] MAY 0.4>0[0] JUN 0.4>0[0] JUL 0.4>0[0]
X4 CGA-KTN NOV 0.4>0[0] DEC 0.4>0[0] JAN 0.4>0[0] FEB 0.4>0[0] MAR 0.4>0[0] APR 0.4>0[0] MAY 0.4>0[0] JUN 0.4>0[0] JUL 0.4>0[0]
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X4 HNS-JNU NOV 3>0[0] DEC 3>0[0] JAN 3>0[0] FEB 3>0[0] MAR 2>0[0] APR 0.2>0[0]
X4 HNS-SGY NOV 1.0>0[0] DEC 1.0>0[0] JAN 1.0>0[0] FEB 1.0>0[0] MAR 0.2>0[0]
X4 HYG-KTN NOV 0.4>0[0] DEC 0.4>0[0] JAN 0.5>0[0] FEB 0.4>0[0] MAR 0.4>0[0] APR 0.4>0[0] MAY 0.4>0[0] JUN 0.4>0[0] JUL 0.5>0[0]
X4 JNU-KAE NOV 1.0>0[0] DEC 1.0>0[0] JAN 1.0>0[0] FEB 0.5>0[0] MAR 0.5>0[0]
X4 JNU-PEC NOV 0.8>0[0] DEC 0.8>0[0] JAN 0.8>0[0] FEB 0.9>0[0] MAR 0.8>0[0]
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X4 KLW-SIT NOV 0.5>0[0] DEC 0.5>0[0] JAN 0.5>0[0] FEB 0.5>0[0] MAR 0.5>0[0]
X4 KTB-KTN NOV 0.4>0[0] DEC 0.4>0[0] JAN 0.4>0[0] FEB 0.4>0[0] MAR 0.4>0[0] APR 0.4>0[0] MAY 0.4>0[0] JUN 0.4>0[0] JUL 0.4>0[0]
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:12 pm

More big cuts at AS. Can't really criticize any of that. Cali strategy is folding up quick. Where are all these planes going?
 
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:20 pm

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More big cuts at AS. Can't really criticize any of that. Cali strategy is folding up quick. Where are all these planes going?


As to the SNA-SJC, they lost five slots in the last round of slot allotments. It was else cut at SJC or cut at the hub they are still paying off.
 
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:30 pm

Seems like AS is really painting themselves into a corner growth wise. Are they just too tight on money to ride some of these newer markets out to see if there is a pick-up in traffic? Concerning what this means for AS expansion in the coming years. There are only so many more places to go from SEA (and gates to use).
 
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:33 pm

The AS SFO-PHX was planned as seasonal for Spring Training previously.
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:53 pm

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More big cuts at AS. Can't really criticize any of that. Cali strategy is folding up quick. Where are all these planes going?

Depends on your POV - I see several increases for SAN, further helping to make up for the lost routes of a few weeks ago. Coming up: now daily-dbl to SLC and AUS, earlier seasonal (or perhaps permanent?) increases on 2 Hawaii routes and STS, with no decreases in frequency or routes. (This is certainly where some of those newly cancelled routes' a/c are going...)

Last time I checked, SAN is in CA and things continue to look very good and positive with AS here!

And btw, thanks as always for your hard work on getting these weekly reports to us Enilria.

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Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:53 pm

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Seems like AS is really painting themselves into a corner growth wise. Are they just too tight on money to ride some of these newer markets out to see if there is a pick-up in traffic? Concerning what this means for AS expansion in the coming years. There are only so many more places to go from SEA (and gates to use).

I don't see much growth. It almost seems like they are just preparing for a merger with B6 by eliminating anything extraneous. IMHO, if they were to exit JFK-LAX/SFO then a merger is less than a year away. They must be bleeding on those judging from the continuing thud of dropped Cali transcons.
 
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:09 pm

I assume that this route change from seasonal to year round is due to not only the WS/DL JV but the fact that CX is leaving YVR-JFK after March 2020 leaving DL as the only airline serving JFK out of YVR? I mean why not, YVR is a WS hub and there is room for more capacity to be added. Also WS flies to JFK from YYC year round so I'm sure DL can fly the JFK-YVR route year round now with a WS codeshare.

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Sun Oct 06, 2019 3:52 pm

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enilria wrote:
More big cuts at AS. Can't really criticize any of that. Cali strategy is folding up quick. Where are all these planes going?

Depends on your POV - I see several increases for SAN, further helping to make up for the lost routes of a few weeks ago. Coming up: now daily-dbl to SLC and AUS, earlier seasonal (or perhaps permanent?) increases on 2 Hawaii routes and STS, with no decreases in frequency or routes. (This is certainly where some of those newly cancelled routes' a/c are going...)

Last time I checked, SAN is in CA and things continue to look very good and positive with AS here!

And btw, thanks as always for your hard work on getting these weekly reports to us Enilria.

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Don’t forget LAX. very few cuts there, mostly growth.
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:24 pm

It appears that PDX, LAX, and SEA are gonna be AS' top 3 hubs moving forward. Lots of cuts at SFO/SJC/SAN recently.
 
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:01 pm

FYI. Your title says AS is cutting SJC-KOA, it’s actually going daily.
 
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:13 pm

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enilria wrote:
More big cuts at AS. Can't really criticize any of that. Cali strategy is folding up quick. Where are all these planes going?

Depends on your POV - I see several increases for SAN, further helping to make up for the lost routes of a few weeks ago. Coming up: now daily-dbl to SLC and AUS, earlier seasonal (or perhaps permanent?) increases on 2 Hawaii routes and STS, with no decreases in frequency or routes. (This is certainly where some of those newly cancelled routes' a/c are going...)

Last time I checked, SAN is in CA and things continue to look very good and positive with AS here!

And btw, thanks as always for your hard work on getting these weekly reports to us Enilria.

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I see the same at SJC. We’re losing some routes and some had frequency cut, but others increased. One example is SJC-SNA going 4>0, but LAX goes 3>7 and PDX goes 4>5. We might have lost one or two flights/day on balance, but we didn’t lose everything that was cut elsewhere.
 
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:17 pm

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It appears that PDX, LAX, and SEA are gonna be AS' top 3 hubs moving forward. Lots of cuts at SFO/SJC/SAN recently.


It appears that there are more cuts at SFO than SJC and/or SAN. SJC and SAN seems to be seeing shuffling of flights after the cuts, in other words, about the same number of flights or day. SFO keeps getting routes hacked. Unless I missed adds elsewhere, has SFO seen any net gains?
 
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:19 pm

AF BOS-CDG APR 1.0>1.8[1.0] MAY 1.0>1.8[1.0] JUN 1.1>2[1.5]

This is actually fairly significant considering DL just weighed in with a 2nd daily and LV starting ORY, history has the AF 2nd daily for July and August, this is being stretched from April to October for the full summer season.
Now we have AF/DL/DY on BOS-CDG and LV On BOS-ORY, busy summer 2020 on this route with 4 daily and 2 partials to Paris.
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:23 pm

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It appears that PDX, LAX, and SEA are gonna be AS' top 3 hubs moving forward. Lots of cuts at SFO/SJC/SAN recently.

Back to the future.
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FYI. Your title says AS is cutting SJC-KOA, it’s actually going daily.

Sorry, meant KOA-SMF, but ran out of title space and didn't notice.

AirFiero wrote:
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It appears that PDX, LAX, and SEA are gonna be AS' top 3 hubs moving forward. Lots of cuts at SFO/SJC/SAN recently.


It appears that there are more cuts at SFO than SJC and/or SAN. SJC and SAN seems to be seeing shuffling of flights after the cuts, in other words, about the same number of flights or day. SFO keeps getting routes hacked. Unless I missed adds elsewhere, has SFO seen any net gains?

I'd say everywhere in Cali has been losing midcon and transcon, even LAX. I feel pretty strongly that's true, although haven't run a query.
 
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:32 pm

Interesting how an airline is both adding and cutting routes, but only the reductions are noted as to paint a picture of despair to fit their narrative.
 
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:38 pm

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AirFiero wrote:
N292UX wrote:
It appears that PDX, LAX, and SEA are gonna be AS' top 3 hubs moving forward. Lots of cuts at SFO/SJC/SAN recently.


It appears that there are more cuts at SFO than SJC and/or SAN. SJC and SAN seems to be seeing shuffling of flights after the cuts, in other words, about the same number of flights or day. SFO keeps getting routes hacked. Unless I missed adds elsewhere, has SFO seen any net gains?

I'd say everywhere in Cali has been losing midcon and transcon, even LAX. I feel pretty strongly that's true, although haven't run a query.


I think PHL has been the only mid/transcon destination dropped from LAX recently, with GEG, RDM, MSO, and BOI being added from LAX on the other side of the equation.
 
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:43 pm

At least AS got some planes and great crews from the merger. SFO passengers, apparently not so much.
 
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:46 pm

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enilria wrote:

AirFiero wrote:

It appears that there are more cuts at SFO than SJC and/or SAN. SJC and SAN seems to be seeing shuffling of flights after the cuts, in other words, about the same number of flights or day. SFO keeps getting routes hacked. Unless I missed adds elsewhere, has SFO seen any net gains?

I'd say everywhere in Cali has been losing midcon and transcon, even LAX. I feel pretty strongly that's true, although haven't run a query.


I think PHL has been the only mid/transcon destination dropped from LAX recently, with GEG, RDM, MSO, and BOI being added from LAX on the other side of the equation.


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Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:01 pm

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Interesting how an airline is both adding and cutting routes, but only the reductions are noted as to paint a picture of despair to fit their narrative.

Interesting how each time AS continuously cuts major routes and then adds a conciliation route like SAN-SJC, the fanboys jump to attack anyone who points out that they are declining
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:04 pm

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Cathay is leaving this market. Good addition for Delta, dont think it has anything to do with WS, they just see a potential opportunity that wasn't there before. If AA had any plans to fly the route they should have announced it right after Cathay left. Shame they are not trying to keep those One World Customers! AA Daily 757 would have been able to keep alot i think. I had hoped AA would pick this route up as it fits their O&D focus for NYC.

Looks like Delta has elected for its workhorse transcon 737-900ER not really a shock. Pretty huge downgrade compared to Cathay. Flatbed demanding customers can still head to EWR and grab Air Canada 787, so it makes sense.
 
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:05 pm

VX wasn’t a sustainable airline, good on AS to continue to evolve. They need to maximize the return on their assets (planes), why not make changes?
 
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:28 pm

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QXorVX wrote:
Seems like AS is really painting themselves into a corner growth wise. Are they just too tight on money to ride some of these newer markets out to see if there is a pick-up in traffic? Concerning what this means for AS expansion in the coming years. There are only so many more places to go from SEA (and gates to use).

I don't see much growth. It almost seems like they are just preparing for a merger with B6 by eliminating anything extraneous. IMHO, if they were to exit JFK-LAX/SFO then a merger is less than a year away. They must be bleeding on those judging from the continuing thud of dropped Cali transcons.

No, not a lot if growth, but using May as an example your report shows a net year over year increase in flights of 3.5 daily. SAN increases by 3, SJC by 0.1., LAX by 3.3. SFO is down 0.9. The narrative of mass retreat in CA isn't showing up in this report.
 
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:59 pm

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*AA BOS-LHR APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0] JUL 0>1.0[0]
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Incredible how international growth at BOS still hasn't slowed down.
 
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Aliqiout wrote:
enilria wrote:
QXorVX wrote:
Seems like AS is really painting themselves into a corner growth wise. Are they just too tight on money to ride some of these newer markets out to see if there is a pick-up in traffic? Concerning what this means for AS expansion in the coming years. There are only so many more places to go from SEA (and gates to use).

I don't see much growth. It almost seems like they are just preparing for a merger with B6 by eliminating anything extraneous. IMHO, if they were to exit JFK-LAX/SFO then a merger is less than a year away. They must be bleeding on those judging from the continuing thud of dropped Cali transcons.

No, not a lot if growth, but using May as an example your report shows a net year over year increase in flights of 3.5 daily. SAN increases by 3, SJC by 0.1., LAX by 3.3. SFO is down 0.9. The narrative of mass retreat in CA isn't showing up in this report.


Flight isn't everything. When you replace transcons or long midcons on mainline with west coast regional flights, that's a net reduction in capacity.

Only sea is seeing real growth.
 
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:44 pm

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Interesting how an airline is both adding and cutting routes, but only the reductions are noted as to paint a picture of despair to fit their narrative.

Nice lie. 6 were dropped. 2 were added. All but one of those are in the headline. Go to Twitter or reddit if you want to try to create drama.
 
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:51 pm

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It appears that PDX, LAX, and SEA are gonna be AS' top 3 hubs moving forward. Lots of cuts at SFO/SJC/SAN recently.



I personally think they have too many spots and should cut down. Seattle and Portland are already givens. SFO LAX SAN would be my first tier choices.
 
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:02 pm

enilria wrote:
LAXBUR wrote:
Interesting how an airline is both adding and cutting routes, but only the reductions are noted as to paint a picture of despair to fit their narrative.

Nice lie. 6 were dropped. 2 were added. All but one of those are in the headline. Go to Twitter or reddit if you want to try to create drama.

There may be less routes, but there are more flights...
You are less likely to note as interesting, additions to an existing flight, than a cut of route completely. In this case, for those who don't follow your threads closely it may appear that you are trying to highlight AS cuts over additions.
 
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One example is SJC-SNA going 4>0, but LAX goes 3>7 and PDX goes 4>5. We might have lost one or two flights/day on balance, but we didn’t lose everything that was cut elsewhere.

SJC-LAX is going from 3 mainline and 1 ERJ to 7 ERJ, so added with the SNA cuts, that's quite a loss of capacity.
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:08 pm

tphuang wrote:
Aliqiout wrote:
enilria wrote:
I don't see much growth. It almost seems like they are just preparing for a merger with B6 by eliminating anything extraneous. IMHO, if they were to exit JFK-LAX/SFO then a merger is less than a year away. They must be bleeding on those judging from the continuing thud of dropped Cali transcons.

No, not a lot if growth, but using May as an example your report shows a net year over year increase in flights of 3.5 daily. SAN increases by 3, SJC by 0.1., LAX by 3.3. SFO is down 0.9. The narrative of mass retreat in CA isn't showing up in this report.


Flight isn't everything. When you replace transcons or long midcons on mainline with west coast regional flights, that's a net reduction in capacity.

Only sea is seeing real growth.

Well, its a net reduction in ASM's but its not a net reduction in passengers served, and hopefully an increase in profit. Like I said, not a lot of growth here, and maybe some reason for concern, but the ANET myth of a massive general AS scale back is not based on facts.
 
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:21 pm

Aliqiout wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Aliqiout wrote:
No, not a lot if growth, but using May as an example your report shows a net year over year increase in flights of 3.5 daily. SAN increases by 3, SJC by 0.1., LAX by 3.3. SFO is down 0.9. The narrative of mass retreat in CA isn't showing up in this report.


Flight isn't everything. When you replace transcons or long midcons on mainline with west coast regional flights, that's a net reduction in capacity.

Only sea is seeing real growth.

Well, its a net reduction in ASM's but its not a net reduction in passengers served, and hopefully an increase in profit. Like I said, not a lot of growth here, and maybe some reason for concern, but the ANET myth of a massive general AS scale back is not based on facts.

These are pretty large cuts. When you cut a lot of long routes in place of adding frequency on short ones, that's pretty significant. Makes as much relevant in those markets .
 
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Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:52 pm

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The AS SFO-PHX was planned as seasonal for Spring Training previously.


I was thinking probably more to do with the diminishing partnership between AA and AS is the reason for the add!
 
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Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:35 am

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At least AS got some planes and great crews from the merger. SFO passengers, apparently not so much.


In reality one of the reasons VX was seeking a buyer is their inability to capture enough of the SFO O/D market. I was living there at the time VX started operations & for the first five years. I don't know one person who flies in the Bay Area that isn't a UA loyalist & who could blame them?

I can guarantee you, AS will not loose real estate at SFO even if they operate less profitable flights, once travellers get used to AS they will fly them. AS will never be UA ay SFO & second fiddle isn't bad there.

I just know those Airbus will go once the leases expire, the first A-319's have left the fleet already. I don't think there are all that many left. But to argue myself, the lower seat numbers make them attractive to fill the void between the 738's & 739's vs the E-175, AS has years to make that decision.
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Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:01 am

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AirFiero wrote:
One example is SJC-SNA going 4>0, but LAX goes 3>7 and PDX goes 4>5. We might have lost one or two flights/day on balance, but we didn’t lose everything that was cut elsewhere.

SJC-LAX is going from 3 mainline and 1 ERJ to 7 ERJ, so added with the SNA cuts, that's quite a loss of capacity.


My point was total number of flights. I’m not surprised, with all of the competition, that AS is even on the route. Maybe this will be better for their yield?

As tphuang has been indicating, many of AS’s routes were not getting good yield. So they are making adjustments. That seems like good business.
 
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Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:34 am

Is the route going to be year round daily from seasonal?

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Cathay is leaving this market. Good addition for Delta, dont think it has anything to do with WS, they just see a potential opportunity that wasn't there before. If AA had any plans to fly the route they should have announced it right after Cathay left. Shame they are not trying to keep those One World Customers! AA Daily 757 would have been able to keep alot i think. I had hoped AA would pick this route up as it fits their O&D focus for NYC.

Looks like Delta has elected for its workhorse transcon 737-900ER not really a shock. Pretty huge downgrade compared to Cathay. Flatbed demanding customers can still head to EWR and grab Air Canada 787, so it makes sense.
 
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Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:07 am

" UA IAD-PHL MAY 0>3[0] JUN 0>4[0] JUL 0>4[0.0]"
Kirby's toying with Parker's emotions. :bigthumbsup:
 
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Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:40 am

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" UA IAD-PHL MAY 0>3[0] JUN 0>4[0] JUL 0>4[0.0]"
Kirby's toying with Parker's emotions. :bigthumbsup:


Good enough answer for me as to why the route is coming back.
 
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Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:11 am

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acentauri wrote:
" UA IAD-PHL MAY 0>3[0] JUN 0>4[0] JUL 0>4[0.0]"
Kirby's toying with Parker's emotions. :bigthumbsup:


Good enough answer for me as to why the route is coming back.


Curious about this route's resumption, I just conducted a flight search at United.com for Friday 15 May PHL-IAD and IAD-PHL.

The search returned the ERJ145 operated by Commutair as the result for the operating aircraft.

The one-way fares were $403, indicating that connecting pax are the goal. The flight times shown below would seem to link to IAD's main banks.

Timings:

PHL-IAD
0615 - 0715
1015 - 1115
1450 - 1550
2005 - 2105

IAD-PHL
0833 - 0938
1255 - 1400
1740 - 1845
2215 - 2320
 
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Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:02 pm

RWA380 wrote:
DDR wrote:
At least AS got some planes and great crews from the merger. SFO passengers, apparently not so much.


In reality one of the reasons VX was seeking a buyer is their inability to capture enough of the SFO O/D market. I was living there at the time VX started operations & for the first five years. I don't know one person who flies in the Bay Area that isn't a UA loyalist & who could blame them?

I can guarantee you, AS will not loose real estate at SFO even if they operate less profitable flights, once travellers get used to AS they will fly them. AS will never be UA ay SFO & second fiddle isn't bad there.

I just know those Airbus will go once the leases expire, the first A-319's have left the fleet already. I don't think there are all that many left. But to argue myself, the lower seat numbers make them attractive to fill the void between the 738's & 739's vs the E-175, AS has years to make that decision.


Alaska hasn't returned any 319's yet.
 
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Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:08 pm

Schweigend wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
acentauri wrote:
" UA IAD-PHL MAY 0>3[0] JUN 0>4[0] JUL 0>4[0.0]"
Kirby's toying with Parker's emotions. :bigthumbsup:


Good enough answer for me as to why the route is coming back.


Curious about this route's resumption, I just conducted a flight search at United.com for Friday 15 May PHL-IAD and IAD-PHL.

The search returned the ERJ145 operated by Commutair as the result for the operating aircraft.

The one-way fares were $403, indicating that connecting pax are the goal. The flight times shown below would seem to link to IAD's main banks.

Timings:

PHL-IAD
0615 - 0715
1015 - 1115
1450 - 1550
2005 - 2105

IAD-PHL
0833 - 0938
1255 - 1400
1740 - 1845
2215 - 2320

Of course connections are the goal. There is no air market for cities as close as Philadelphia and Washington, but if United wants to build up their operation at IAD, they are going to need feed.
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Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:31 pm

JBoy wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
DDR wrote:
At least AS got some planes and great crews from the merger. SFO passengers, apparently not so much.


In reality one of the reasons VX was seeking a buyer is their inability to capture enough of the SFO O/D market. I was living there at the time VX started operations & for the first five years. I don't know one person who flies in the Bay Area that isn't a UA loyalist & who could blame them?

I can guarantee you, AS will not loose real estate at SFO even if they operate less profitable flights, once travellers get used to AS they will fly them. AS will never be UA ay SFO & second fiddle isn't bad there.

I just know those Airbus will go once the leases expire, the first A-319's have left the fleet already. I don't think there are all that many left. But to argue myself, the lower seat numbers make them attractive to fill the void between the 738's & 739's vs the E-175, AS has years to make that decision.


Alaska hasn't returned any 319's yet.


Yes they have, in fact AS lost one A-320 & one A-321 during the retrofit process (AS started with 22 & ended up with 21 of the 320-214's w/o sharklets), some were frames slated to be returned by VX already, as VX had newer aircraft coming & they planned on letting go of the 319's entirely.

The range is good, but the galleys don't allow for full meal services. Not a good fit for AS. In fact the galleys are lacking on the A-320's as well & are not ideal at all for the way AS does their meal services (first hand from a F/A perspective). In this instance the F/A is the reliable source.

At the time of the merger VX had 67 aircraft in it's fleet (remember VX had received only 2 of their A-321neo's), currently AS operates (after retrofit) 10 A-319-112's, 10 A-320-214's w/sharklets, 21 A-320-214 w/o sharklets & 8 A-321neo's (there were 9 before retrofit). That is a current total of 49 Airbus aircraft in the AS fleet.

By my count that means AS is down 18 Airbus aircraft, that's just under 30% of the VX fleet at time of merger. The naysayers that keep arguing that AS is still deciding on the Airbus fleet need to see this.

While AS is contractually obligated for the current leases, I would be extremely surprised if any Airbus was kept past it's initial expiration date, with the remote exception of the 321's but only if AS finds a mission they are uniquely qualified to fly, that AS wants to undertake with a relatively small sub-fleet of Airbus aircraft.

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Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:15 pm

RWA380 wrote:
JBoy wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

In reality one of the reasons VX was seeking a buyer is their inability to capture enough of the SFO O/D market. I was living there at the time VX started operations & for the first five years. I don't know one person who flies in the Bay Area that isn't a UA loyalist & who could blame them?

I can guarantee you, AS will not loose real estate at SFO even if they operate less profitable flights, once travellers get used to AS they will fly them. AS will never be UA ay SFO & second fiddle isn't bad there.

I just know those Airbus will go once the leases expire, the first A-319's have left the fleet already. I don't think there are all that many left. But to argue myself, the lower seat numbers make them attractive to fill the void between the 738's & 739's vs the E-175, AS has years to make that decision.


Alaska hasn't returned any 319's yet.


Yes they have, in fact AS lost one A-320 & one A-321 during the retrofit process (AS started with 22 & ended up with 21 of the 320-214's w/o sharklets), some were frames slated to be returned by VX already, as VX had newer aircraft coming & they planned on letting go of the 319's entirely.

The range is good, but the galleys don't allow for full meal services. Not a good fit for AS. In fact the galleys are lacking on the A-320's as well & are not ideal at all for the way AS does their meal services (first hand from a F/A perspective). In this instance the F/A is the reliable source.

At the time of the merger VX had 67 aircraft in it's fleet (remember VX had received only 2 of their A-321neo's), currently AS operates (after retrofit) 10 A-319-112's, 10 A-320-214's w/sharklets, 21 A-320-214 w/o sharklets & 8 A-321neo's (there were 9 before retrofit). That is a current total of 49 Airbus aircraft in the AS fleet.

By my count that means AS is down 18 Airbus aircraft, that's just under 30% of the VX fleet at time of merger. The naysayers that keep arguing that AS is still deciding on the Airbus fleet need to see this.

While AS is contractually obligated for the current leases, I would be extremely surprised if any Airbus was kept past it's initial expiration date, with the remote exception of the 321's but only if AS finds a mission they are uniquely qualified to fly, that AS wants to undertake with a relatively small sub-fleet of Airbus aircraft.

All of AS fleets & the information regarding my comments is located for public consumption at - https://www.alaskaair.com/content/trave ... aft/airbus

The information I used to determine fleet size for VX, was the Virgin America Wikipedia page located at - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_America


A lot of this is very incorrect, no A319’s have left the fleet, a simple flight history search will show that all are in the air, about to be, or have flown in the last two days. Alaska’s August SEC filing shows that there is only one Airbus return in 2019, and two in 2020, there are 72 Airbus aircraft planned for year end.

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Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:18 pm

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LAXBUR wrote:
Interesting how an airline is both adding and cutting routes, but only the reductions are noted as to paint a picture of despair to fit their narrative.

Nice lie. 6 were dropped. 2 were added. All but one of those are in the headline. Go to Twitter or reddit if you want to try to create drama.


Ah, good ole a.net. It's getting worse than Facebook with snarky comments. You seem to take special effort in dissing AS. Not sure why, but they aren't nearly as bad as you want everyone to believe.
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Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:34 pm

While I find the weekly wrapup interesting, the editorializing is really a turn-off.
 
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:08 am

That's just because you're one of the AS babies who can't take criticism of your airline. They may be making all the right moves, but given the story they sold for years after buying Virgin the questioning is with reason.

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While I find the weekly wrapup interesting, the editorializing is really a turn-off.
 
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:12 am

AS is the only major US airline who plates their domestic first class meals (it explains why you may not get your meal until an hour left on a 3 hour flight). It's a tedious process but it also requires plenty of counter space. Virgin, like everyone else, served meals that were plated in catering.

Slightly off topic but somewhat relevant...the AS catering can really screw with 3rd party flight attendants not used to their ways. On a recent SJC-TUS flight in first, the poor SkyWest PDX lead flight attendant couldn't get all 12 served despite a 1:40 flight time. She was so unaware and bogged down, the last row didn't get anything and she had to run around grabbing trays before landing.

RWA380 wrote:
JBoy wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

In reality one of the reasons VX was seeking a buyer is their inability to capture enough of the SFO O/D market. I was living there at the time VX started operations & for the first five years. I don't know one person who flies in the Bay Area that isn't a UA loyalist & who could blame them?

I can guarantee you, AS will not loose real estate at SFO even if they operate less profitable flights, once travellers get used to AS they will fly them. AS will never be UA ay SFO & second fiddle isn't bad there.

I just know those Airbus will go once the leases expire, the first A-319's have left the fleet already. I don't think there are all that many left. But to argue myself, the lower seat numbers make them attractive to fill the void between the 738's & 739's vs the E-175, AS has years to make that decision.


Alaska hasn't returned any 319's yet.


Yes they have, in fact AS lost one A-320 & one A-321 during the retrofit process (AS started with 22 & ended up with 21 of the 320-214's w/o sharklets), some were frames slated to be returned by VX already, as VX had newer aircraft coming & they planned on letting go of the 319's entirely.

The range is good, but the galleys don't allow for full meal services. Not a good fit for AS. In fact the galleys are lacking on the A-320's as well & are not ideal at all for the way AS does their meal services (first hand from a F/A perspective). In this instance the F/A is the reliable source.

At the time of the merger VX had 67 aircraft in it's fleet (remember VX had received only 2 of their A-321neo's), currently AS operates (after retrofit) 10 A-319-112's, 10 A-320-214's w/sharklets, 21 A-320-214 w/o sharklets & 8 A-321neo's (there were 9 before retrofit). That is a current total of 49 Airbus aircraft in the AS fleet.

By my count that means AS is down 18 Airbus aircraft, that's just under 30% of the VX fleet at time of merger. The naysayers that keep arguing that AS is still deciding on the Airbus fleet need to see this.

While AS is contractually obligated for the current leases, I would be extremely surprised if any Airbus was kept past it's initial expiration date, with the remote exception of the 321's but only if AS finds a mission they are uniquely qualified to fly, that AS wants to undertake with a relatively small sub-fleet of Airbus aircraft.

All of AS fleets & the information regarding my comments is located for public consumption at - https://www.alaskaair.com/content/trave ... aft/airbus

The information I used to determine fleet size for VX, was the Virgin America Wikipedia page located at - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_America
 
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RWA380 wrote:
JBoy wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

In reality one of the reasons VX was seeking a buyer is their inability to capture enough of the SFO O/D market. I was living there at the time VX started operations & for the first five years. I don't know one person who flies in the Bay Area that isn't a UA loyalist & who could blame them?

I can guarantee you, AS will not loose real estate at SFO even if they operate less profitable flights, once travellers get used to AS they will fly them. AS will never be UA ay SFO & second fiddle isn't bad there.

I just know those Airbus will go once the leases expire, the first A-319's have left the fleet already. I don't think there are all that many left. But to argue myself, the lower seat numbers make them attractive to fill the void between the 738's & 739's vs the E-175, AS has years to make that decision.


Alaska hasn't returned any 319's yet.


Yes they have, in fact AS lost one A-320 & one A-321 during the retrofit process (AS started with 22 & ended up with 21 of the 320-214's w/o sharklets), some were frames slated to be returned by VX already, as VX had newer aircraft coming & they planned on letting go of the 319's entirely.

The range is good, but the galleys don't allow for full meal services. Not a good fit for AS. In fact the galleys are lacking on the A-320's as well & are not ideal at all for the way AS does their meal services (first hand from a F/A perspective). In this instance the F/A is the reliable source.

At the time of the merger VX had 67 aircraft in it's fleet (remember VX had received only 2 of their A-321neo's), currently AS operates (after retrofit) 10 A-319-112's, 10 A-320-214's w/sharklets, 21 A-320-214 w/o sharklets & 8 A-321neo's (there were 9 before retrofit). That is a current total of 49 Airbus aircraft in the AS fleet.

By my count that means AS is down 18 Airbus aircraft, that's just under 30% of the VX fleet at time of merger. The naysayers that keep arguing that AS is still deciding on the Airbus fleet need to see this.

While AS is contractually obligated for the current leases, I would be extremely surprised if any Airbus was kept past it's initial expiration date, with the remote exception of the 321's but only if AS finds a mission they are uniquely qualified to fly, that AS wants to undertake with a relatively small sub-fleet of Airbus aircraft.

All of AS fleets & the information regarding my comments is located for public consumption at - https://www.alaskaair.com/content/trave ... aft/airbus

The information I used to determine fleet size for VX, was the Virgin America Wikipedia page located at - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_America


I agree with your statement about the galleys not being optimal for the services Alaska provides but as time goes on, and FA's continue to find ways to make it work, the company is becoming less concerned. They are looking for galley solutions on planes that FA's are continuing to have difficulties with.

AS has not given back any 321's that I'm aware of - still have 9, as indicated on the companies web page. I think there's a good chance the 321's stay in the fleet, with possible orders for more. Especially, in light of the MAX difficulties I think management may be wondering the wisdom of having all their eggs in one basket. That not withstanding, the 321 is impressing management.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/6/2019:AS Cuts SFO-BNA/KOA/RDU,SJC-JFK/KOA/SNA,Adds SFO-PHX;DL In SEATPA;NK In SJU-EWR/BOS;DY EWR>JFK

Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:29 am

ASFlyer wrote:
the 321 is impressing management.


I’ll be stunned if the A320neo orders aren’t all converted to A321neos. I believe that airplane has a long future ahead of it in the AS fleet.
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Re: OAG Changes 10/6/2019:AS Cuts SFO-BNA/KOA/RDU,SJC-JFK/KOA/SNA,Adds SFO-PHX;DL In SEATPA;NK In SJU-EWR/BOS;DY EWR>JFK

Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:55 am

What is with all the SFO cuts? Have they given up on trying to put up a front against UA.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/6/2019:AS Cuts SFO-BNA/KOA/RDU,SJC-JFK/KOA/SNA,Adds SFO-PHX;DL In SEATPA;NK In SJU-EWR/BOS;DY EWR>JFK

Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:25 am

EA CO AS wrote:
ASFlyer wrote:
the 321 is impressing management.


I’ll be stunned if the A320neo orders aren’t all converted to A321neos. I believe that airplane has a long future ahead of it in the AS fleet.


I'm with you. Everything I've heard from management indicates that they are very happy with the 321's. The customers LOVE them, as do the crews.

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