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TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today (Oct 7)

Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:35 pm

I guess we're about to find out if this LR bird is for real on longish TATL routes :) 8+ hours westbound going by this route's history.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /LPPT/KIAD

Interestingly OPO-EWR seems to have been "downgraded" to a plain old "domestic" A321.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /LPPR/KEWR
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today

Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:02 pm

airbazar wrote:
I guess we're about to find out if this LR bird is for real on longish TATL routes :) 8+ hours westbound going by this route's history.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /LPPT/KIAD

Interestingly OPO-EWR seems to have been "downgraded" to a plain old "domestic" A321.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /LPPR/KEWR


Today's flight from LIS-IAD is schedule to be operated by CS-TXC A321LR

Regarding OPO-EWR flightaware is wrong, today flight is schedule to be operated by CS-TXA A321LR
 
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today

Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:07 pm

airbazar wrote:
I guess we're about to find out if this LR bird is for real on longish TATL routes :) 8+ hours westbound going by this route's history.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /LPPT/KIAD

Interestingly OPO-EWR seems to have been "downgraded" to a plain old "domestic" A321.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /LPPR/KEWR


Interesting, but don't forget that Air Transat are already flying longer legs with the LR in a denser config.
 
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today

Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:25 pm

I am assuming this is just for the Winter season, and the A332 returns in the Spring?
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today

Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:38 pm

Would love to hear the experience the pax will have upon arrival after 8+ in a single aisle acft.

Hope the Doctors let them speak or the hospital provides a PR announcement.
 
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today

Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:44 pm

ojjunior wrote:
Would love to hear the experience the pax will have upon arrival after 8+ in a single aisle acft.

Hope the Doctors let them speak or the hospital provides a PR announcement.


757s have been doing it for decades. 737s and 321s will now join the club.
 
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Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:50 pm

ojjunior wrote:
Would love to hear the experience the pax will have upon arrival after 8+ in a single aisle acft.

Hope the Doctors let them speak or the hospital provides a PR announcement.

But we've been flying that in the beloved single-aisle 757 for 8+ for a generation already !
 
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today

Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:54 pm

TC957 wrote:
ojjunior wrote:
Would love to hear the experience the pax will have upon arrival after 8+ in a single aisle acft.

Hope the Doctors let them speak or the hospital provides a PR announcement.

But we've been flying that in the beloved single-aisle 757 for 8+ for a generation already !


Not only that, but USA transcons in 737s are routinely 6-6.5 hours from Florida to Seattle and Boston to Seattle. While I would certainly prefer a double aisle aircraft, I wouldn't add a flight segment to take one.
 
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Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:55 pm

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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today

Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:55 pm

How does crew rest work on these birds? Don't crew need bunks on longer flights?
 
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Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:59 pm

I would also love to see the opinions of passengers flying this route on the A321NEO-LR and also the experience of the airline itself looking at the economics for them. I would love to follow this for all airlines flying the A321NEO-LR on 8+ flights. Interesting.

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Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:59 pm

I know with UA they block off a row of coach and hold 1-2 first class seats for pilot and FA rest
 
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today

Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:07 pm

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Would love to hear the experience the pax will have upon arrival after 8+ in a single aisle acft.

Hope the Doctors let them speak or the hospital provides a PR announcement.



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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today

Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:50 pm

It's TP... The only difference after the flight, vs a widebody, is how many buses you need to wait for after you land and are forced to walk down stairs with a heavy bag, in the rain. You will still get the same miserable airport experience, still get to miss your connecting flight, etc.
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today

Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:51 pm

ojjunior wrote:
Would love to hear the experience the pax will have upon arrival after 8+ in a single aisle acft.

Hope the Doctors let them speak or the hospital provides a PR announcement.


That is ridiculous. One of the best transatlantic runs I ever experienced was on a CO 757 from AMS to EWR. Single aisle means nothing to the normal traveler - how does it in any way spoil anyone's trip?
 
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today

Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:52 pm

incitatus wrote:
ojjunior wrote:
Would love to hear the experience the pax will have upon arrival after 8+ in a single aisle acft.

Hope the Doctors let them speak or the hospital provides a PR announcement.



Varig used to fly GIG-FCO nonstop on a 707.


Actually Varig used to have cheap special flights to Lisbon called "Voos da amistade" or something, flown in the Electra. Can you imagine? Yet AMAZINGLY, people survived.
But let's stay on topic and not digress!!
 
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today

Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:55 pm

A388 wrote:
I would also love to see the opinions of passengers flying this route on the A321NEO-LR and also the experience of the airline itself looking at the economics for them. I would love to follow this for all airlines flying the A321NEO-LR on 8+ flights. Interesting.

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I'd personally rather fly TAP's A321NEO-LR than their old A332's. And in Y I'd take it over most 787's anytime. C16/Y155 is a fairly low density, the seat pitch in Y is at least 31". Less chaos at the boarding is a good thing as well. Not to mention the quiet flight.
What TP has to say about the economic side of such flights remains to be seen - or rather heard.
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today

Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:23 pm

incitatus wrote:
ojjunior wrote:
Would love to hear the experience the pax will have upon arrival after 8+ in a single aisle acft.

Hope the Doctors let them speak or the hospital provides a PR announcement.



Varig used to fly GIG-FCO nonstop on a 707.


True, but it should be noted that the first generation of long haul jets (707/DC-8/Comet IV) had a different use of the space available on board. Galleys were huge and lavatories were plentiful and large compared to today's A321s & 757s. Some 707s and DC-8s even had lounges for First Class paxs. Pitch was way superior, even in Y. So while the one aisle concept remains the same, the use of available real estate on board today has evolved and not for the better, I'm afraid.

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How does crew rest work on these birds? Don't crew need bunks on longer flights?


Not every plane, widebodies included. has a dedicated crew rest area with bunks. That is an airline specification based on what type of airline business they run (premium v. leisure carrier), what routes they fly and the contract with their crews while on duty aboard. In the absence of a dedicated crew rest area, a # of seats/rows get blocked to be used by the crew during their breaks. Generally it is curtained off from the rest of the cabin. Which is not a deterrence for the occasional person opening the curtains asking for a glass of water...
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today

Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:27 pm

dcajet wrote:
incitatus wrote:
ojjunior wrote:
Would love to hear the experience the pax will have upon arrival after 8+ in a single aisle acft.

Hope the Doctors let them speak or the hospital provides a PR announcement.



Varig used to fly GIG-FCO nonstop on a 707.


True, but it should be noted that the first generation of long haul jets (707/DC-8/Comet IV) had a different use of the space available on board. Galleys were huge and lavatories were plentiful and large compared to today's A321s & 757s. Some 707s and DC-8s even had lounges for First Class paxs. Pitch was way superior, even in Y. So while the one aisle concept remains the same, the use of available real estate on board today has evolved and not for the better, I'm afraid.


A second aisle does not help improving subpar pitch; it just as cramped in a twin aisle.

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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today

Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:41 pm

Clydenairways wrote:
airbazar wrote:
I guess we're about to find out if this LR bird is for real on longish TATL routes :) 8+ hours westbound going by this route's history.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /LPPT/KIAD

Interestingly OPO-EWR seems to have been "downgraded" to a plain old "domestic" A321.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /LPPR/KEWR


Interesting, but don't forget that Air Transat are already flying longer legs with the LR in a denser config.


Aren't Air Transat's route Summer only? TAP will be flying the route thru the Winter.
 
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:46 am

airbazar wrote:
I guess we're about to find out if this LR bird is for real on longish TATL routes :) 8+ hours westbound going by this route's history.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /LPPT/KIAD

Interestingly OPO-EWR seems to have been "downgraded" to a plain old "domestic" A321.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /LPPR/KEWR


It managed to arrive ok. … 7 hrs 59 minutes.

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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today

Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:22 am

airbazar wrote:
Clydenairways wrote:
airbazar wrote:
I guess we're about to find out if this LR bird is for real on longish TATL routes :) 8+ hours westbound going by this route's history.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /LPPT/KIAD

Interestingly OPO-EWR seems to have been "downgraded" to a plain old "domestic" A321.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /LPPR/KEWR


Interesting, but don't forget that Air Transat are already flying longer legs with the LR in a denser config.


Aren't Air Transat's route Summer only? TAP will be flying the route thru the Winter.


You got the point. I think many of the TS summer routes would be Impossible in Winter without load restriction or stops for refueling.
While its more challenging in the Winter I think its not too bad for TAP because Portugal is pretty far south and the route to NYC/IAD is not as close to the Jetstream than flights from Western/Northern Europe. A real challenge for the A321LR would be a yearround flight AMS/BRU/CDG/DUS/HAM or OSL to NYC.
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:37 am

What are longest single aisle routes in history? Surely this must be near the top?
 
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:38 am

DLHAM wrote:
A real challenge for the A321LR would be a yearround flight AMS/BRU/CDG/DUS/HAM or OSL to NYC.


I know climate Change makes weather more extreme, but unless we get fairly constant mach .3+ headwinds 3300nm will never be challenging for an aircraft that has proven to fly 4700+ nm air distance without declaring a fuel emergency.

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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today

Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:13 am

dcajet wrote:
incitatus wrote:
ojjunior wrote:
Would love to hear the experience the pax will have upon arrival after 8+ in a single aisle acft.

Hope the Doctors let them speak or the hospital provides a PR announcement.



Varig used to fly GIG-FCO nonstop on a 707.


True, but it should be noted that the first generation of long haul jets (707/DC-8/Comet IV) had a different use of the space available on board. Galleys were huge and lavatories were plentiful and large compared to today's A321s & 757s. Some 707s and DC-8s even had lounges for First Class paxs. Pitch was way superior, even in Y. So while the one aisle concept remains the same, the use of available real estate on board today has evolved and not for the better, I'm afraid.

Aeroflot777 wrote:
How does crew rest work on these birds? Don't crew need bunks on longer flights?


Not every plane, widebodies included. has a dedicated crew rest area with bunks. That is an airline specification based on what type of airline business they run (premium v. leisure carrier), what routes they fly and the contract with their crews while on duty aboard. In the absence of a dedicated crew rest area, a # of seats/rows get blocked to be used by the crew during their breaks. Generally it is curtained off from the rest of the cabin. Which is not a deterrence for the occasional person opening the curtains asking for a glass of water...


Yeah I don’t see the pax being impacted too much - but would be fascinated how catering manages to stow that much food a way in the forward galley for two services.

Pax would be 100% fine. I do feel for the Cabin crew, even with a curtain (albeit I haven’t see a narrow body with one) - there isn’t a lot of space. They are small galleys to work out of, and then stand around waiting between services when not on break with a constant stream of pax off to the loo! Very cramped especially if they fly the routes frequently or overnight sectors. I’d go mad. At least a widebody galley there is a sense of space.
 
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:14 am

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Would love to hear the experience the pax will have upon arrival after 8+ in a single aisle acft.

Hope the Doctors let them speak or the hospital provides a PR announcement.

It’s the size of the seat and legroom, not the size of the plane. Only difference with a narrowbody is 150 people instead of 300 at check in, boarding, immigration and baggage claim. Anyone who says a narrowbody on medium haul is “cramped” should just post, “I don’t know anything,” so we don’t have to read between the lines, it’s just there in plain English. Why beat about the bush?
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:30 am

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ojjunior wrote:
Would love to hear the experience the pax will have upon arrival after 8+ in a single aisle acft.

Hope the Doctors let them speak or the hospital provides a PR announcement.


I do not know in which world are you in but I can surely say that some other Airlines WB will be more uncomfortable than TAP's A321LR's. Varig used to fly some pretty darning stuff in theri heydays too.

I am looking forward to see how this flight schedule plays out with passenger satisfaction as well as the economics. It is really great to be able to board and deplane quickly before/after the flight as well as get your luggage quick.

I know people might raise an issue but I really think Boeing missed the bus when decided to shut the B757 production rather than upgrade the model like they did witht he B737. We always needed a NB LH aircraft for certain routes and Airbus will really cease the initiative here.

Last year, I flew GRU - IAD on one of United's (ancient...) B757s and it was one of the best flights I've had.
 
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today

Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:38 am

How is the interior of these TATL A321LR?
Is it the same as the A321LR that fly to TLV or is it a special config?
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:58 am

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What are longest single aisle routes in history? Surely this must be near the top?

Hardly. 707s et al used to fly far longer routes than this, as did the 757, which MX used to seasonally fly CUN-EZE.
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:02 am

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How is the interior of these TATL A321LR?
Is it the same as the A321LR that fly to TLV or is it a special config?


All the A321LR of TAP have the same interior, basically its the Business seats from the A332 and the Economy seats from the A339.

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How does crew rest work on these birds? Don't crew need bunks on longer flights?


No need for crew rest on such a duty.
 
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:27 am

AECM wrote:
LY777 wrote:
How is the interior of these TATL A321LR?
Is it the same as the A321LR that fly to TLV or is it a special config?


All the A321LR of TAP have the same interior, basically its the Business seats from the A332 and the Economy seats from the A339.

Image

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https://samchui.com/2019/04/07/tap-air-portugal-receives-first-airbus-a321lr/


Looks very nice.
I guess the A321neo that fly to TLV are not LR.
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:44 am

Clydenairways wrote:
airbazar wrote:
I guess we're about to find out if this LR bird is for real on longish TATL routes :) 8+ hours westbound going by this route's history.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /LPPT/KIAD

Interestingly OPO-EWR seems to have been "downgraded" to a plain old "domestic" A321.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TAP ... /LPPR/KEWR


Interesting, but don't forget that Air Transat are already flying longer legs with the LR in a denser config.


Just out of curiosity, how much does the TAP business class seating weigh compared to Air Transats? TAP has not only more business seats, but quite a bit bigger ones too.
 
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:02 am

Strato2 wrote:
What are longest single aisle routes in history? Surely this must be near the top?


Pretty sure some of those little single aisle Lockheed Super Constellations flew routes approaching 24 hours in the air.
 
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:29 am

BlueberryWheats wrote:
Strato2 wrote:
What are longest single aisle routes in history? Surely this must be near the top?


Pretty sure some of those little single aisle Lockheed Super Constellations flew routes approaching 24 hours in the air.


DC-7C as well as the connie, +17hrs on a number of nonstops.
 
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LY777 wrote:
AECM wrote:
LY777 wrote:
How is the interior of these TATL A321LR?
Is it the same as the A321LR that fly to TLV or is it a special config?


All the A321LR of TAP have the same interior, basically its the Business seats from the A332 and the Economy seats from the A339.

Image

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https://samchui.com/2019/04/07/tap-air-portugal-receives-first-airbus-a321lr/


Looks very nice.
I guess the A321neo that fly to TLV are not LR.


TLV gets a mix since TAP has 3 cabin versions of the A321NEO:

Y216
W16Y182 (2 ex Primera birds that started the route to TLV)
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:47 am

AECM wrote:
LY777 wrote:
AECM wrote:

All the A321LR of TAP have the same interior, basically its the Business seats from the A332 and the Economy seats from the A339.

Image

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https://samchui.com/2019/04/07/tap-air-portugal-receives-first-airbus-a321lr/


Looks very nice.
I guess the A321neo that fly to TLV are not LR.


TLV gets a mix since TAP has 3 cabin versions of the A321NEO:

Y216
W16Y182 (2 ex Primera birds that started the route to TLV)
LR C16Y155


Interesting
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today

Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:14 pm

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airbazar wrote:
Clydenairways wrote:

Interesting, but don't forget that Air Transat are already flying longer legs with the LR in a denser config.


Aren't Air Transat's route Summer only? TAP will be flying the route thru the Winter.


You got the point. I think many of the TS summer routes would be Impossible in Winter without load restriction or stops for refueling.
While its more challenging in the Winter I think its not too bad for TAP because Portugal is pretty far south and the route to NYC/IAD is not as close to the Jetstream than flights from Western/Northern Europe. A real challenge for the A321LR would be a yearround flight AMS/BRU/CDG/DUS/HAM or OSL to NYC.

Those aren't challenging at all for an LR with ~160 seats. I was being sarcastic in my original post because there are still people here on a.net who don't believe the A321LR can fly TATL routes at a profit in the Winter.

AECM wrote:

TLV gets a mix since TAP has 3 cabin versions of the A321NEO:

Y216
W16Y182 (2 ex Primera birds that started the route to TLV)
LR C16Y155

Indeed. TLV was supposed to be the first LR route for TP but so far it has seen a mixed bag of equipment. I suspect the delivery delays might be to blame.
 
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:29 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
ojjunior wrote:
Would love to hear the experience the pax will have upon arrival after 8+ in a single aisle acft.

Hope the Doctors let them speak or the hospital provides a PR announcement.


757s have been doing it for decades.


And the 707s, DC8s and VC10s for 20+ years from the late 50s on.
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today

Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:35 pm

ojjunior wrote:
Would love to hear the experience the pax will have upon arrival after 8+ in a single aisle acft.

Hope the Doctors let them speak or the hospital provides a PR announcement.


Why? Before widebodies, longhaul flights were operated by DC8s, 707s and VC-10s. Everyone survived. What a foolish comment.
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today (Oct 7)

Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:49 pm

I am flying JFK-MAD-LIS and the JFK-MAD sector on an IB A-340, MAD-LIS sector an A320/321 and the return MAD-JFK on IB is on an A330. UA and other airlines on that route use narrowbodies. I am not a big guy (5'4"/164 cm) but for sure prefer widebodies for the ride, easier access to the loo's. I have flown 707's, DC-8's and 757's TATL back in the 80's and unless have an aisle seat, quite the miserable experience.
 
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today (Oct 7)

Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:40 pm

ltbewr wrote:
I am flying JFK-MAD-LIS and the JFK-MAD sector on an IB A-340, MAD-LIS sector an A320/321 and the return MAD-JFK on IB is on an A330. UA and other airlines on that route use narrowbodies. I am not a big guy (5'4"/164 cm) but for sure prefer widebodies for the ride, easier access to the loo's. I have flown 707's, DC-8's and 757's TATL back in the 80's and unless have an aisle seat, quite the miserable experience.


You might prefer a widebody, but you clearly don't care about service... :biting:
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today

Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:06 pm

Pyrex wrote:
It's TP... The only difference after the flight, vs a widebody, is how many buses you need to wait for after you land and are forced to walk down stairs with a heavy bag, in the rain. You will still get the same miserable airport experience, still get to miss your connecting flight, etc.


Jeez, biased much?
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today (Oct 7)

Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:17 pm

ltbewr wrote:
I am flying JFK-MAD-LIS and the JFK-MAD sector on an IB A-340, MAD-LIS sector an A320/321 and the return MAD-JFK on IB is on an A330. UA and other airlines on that route use narrowbodies. I am not a big guy (5'4"/164 cm) but for sure prefer widebodies for the ride, easier access to the loo's. I have flown 707's, DC-8's and 757's TATL back in the 80's and unless have an aisle seat, quite the miserable experience.

Are you sure about the equipment?
They "always " fly to JFK with the brand new 359.
 
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today (Oct 7)

Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:52 pm

Kadish wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
I am flying JFK-MAD-LIS and the JFK-MAD sector on an IB A-340, MAD-LIS sector an A320/321 and the return MAD-JFK on IB is on an A330. UA and other airlines on that route use narrowbodies. I am not a big guy (5'4"/164 cm) but for sure prefer widebodies for the ride, easier access to the loo's. I have flown 707's, DC-8's and 757's TATL back in the 80's and unless have an aisle seat, quite the miserable experience.

Are you sure about the equipment?
They "always " fly to JFK with the brand new 359.

There are 2 flights outbound from JFK - per IB's website, the one at 6 PM I am booked for is on a 346, the 8 PM departure is on a 359. My return flight is supposed to be on a 330, although the later flight that day is with the 359. Perhaps there is an error someplace on Iberia's website ?
 
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today (Oct 7)

Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:46 pm

ltbewr wrote:
Kadish wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
I am flying JFK-MAD-LIS and the JFK-MAD sector on an IB A-340, MAD-LIS sector an A320/321 and the return MAD-JFK on IB is on an A330. UA and other airlines on that route use narrowbodies. I am not a big guy (5'4"/164 cm) but for sure prefer widebodies for the ride, easier access to the loo's. I have flown 707's, DC-8's and 757's TATL back in the 80's and unless have an aisle seat, quite the miserable experience.

Are you sure about the equipment?
They "always " fly to JFK with the brand new 359.

There are 2 flights outbound from JFK - per IB's website, the one at 6 PM I am booked for is on a 346, the 8 PM departure is on a 359. My return flight is supposed to be on a 330, although the later flight that day is with the 359. Perhaps there is an error someplace on Iberia's website ?

He said "always" :)
Looks like the A346 is just an occasional sub, or a reporting error.
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today

Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:03 am

Travelmanager wrote:
TC957 wrote:
ojjunior wrote:
Would love to hear the experience the pax will have upon arrival after 8+ in a single aisle acft.

Hope the Doctors let them speak or the hospital provides a PR announcement.

But we've been flying that in the beloved single-aisle 757 for 8+ for a generation already !


Not only that, but USA transcons in 737s are routinely 6-6.5 hours from Florida to Seattle and Boston to Seattle. While I would certainly prefer a double aisle aircraft, I wouldn't add a flight segment to take one.


So true.

And I've done BWI - SFO in an A319 at 6.5 hours against headwinds.

Survived quite nicely.
 
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today (Oct 7)

Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:08 pm

Hey guys, some comments are in the edge of being disrespectful with the people who would prefer a WB instead of a NB on TATL. Is just a preference, some people prefer the feeling of wider/bigger cabin with higher ceiling and some others care about boarding/deboarding quickly. A matter of perceptions and preference. Keep in mind that the vast majority of pax don't care or don't know about equipment type until they see the frame at the time of boarding. Non av-geeks book by price or schedule and can't tell the difference between a 777 and a 330.

What can be hardly disputed is that FA's are going to dislike NB's as there is much less room for them.

OTOH, market will dictate the trend, currently there are only a few NB's flying TATL so it's quite easy to avoid them if you don't like them. We'll see in the future how it goes.
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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today (Oct 7)

Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:37 pm

Really. What has happened to this forum?

TP's 321's look really nice on the other hand. I think LIS is kind of perfect for this aircraft.

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Re: TAP starts LIS-IAD with A321LR today (Oct 7)

Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:32 am

upperdeckfan wrote:
Hey guys, some comments are in the edge of being disrespectful with the people who would prefer a WB instead of a NB on TATL. Is just a preference, some people prefer the feeling of wider/bigger cabin with higher ceiling and some others care about boarding/deboarding quickly. A matter of perceptions and preference. Keep in mind that the vast majority of pax don't care or don't know about equipment type until they see the frame at the time of boarding. Non av-geeks book by price or schedule and can't tell the difference between a 777 and a 330.

What can be hardly disputed is that FA's are going to dislike NB's as there is much less room for them.

OTOH, market will dictate the trend, currently there are only a few NB's flying TATL so it's quite easy to avoid them if you don't like them. We'll see in the future how it goes.


You are right on both counts: quality (arrogance...) of some of the comments and also flight preferences/WB-NB offer.

It also depends on why you are flying. A lot of passengers just to get to their destinations but, for example myself, which usually travle on business, the ability to de-plane quickly to avoid waiting for too long for my luggage to come over, etc, is actually a good thing.

There's also the caveat that a lot of thinner routes would exist if it only can be served by a WB aircraft.

Have a nice day.

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