What fear? No amount of reasonably expectable blame distribution, in the case of either crash, will sufficiently exonerate Boeing for the massiveness of their design cock-up. Certainly, nothing approaching absolution, or at least not in the mind of someone thinking objectively.
In addition, with everything we now understand about MCAS, any such reasonable blame directed at the accident crews (or their airlines), would have zero effect on the validity of the grounding.
So, there’s really nothing to fear.
We are in agreement.
I have my doubts about that. A perhaps
would have been good in that sentence of yours.
Boeing's screw up with regard to MCAS is massive.
In turn the punishment is massive.
Finances are massively impacted, reputation is massively damaged, relationships with customers, regulators and the public are massively damaged.
Eventual JT and ET reports will be scathing.
Indeed… this is pretty close to empirical fact, IMO.
Therefore, discussing what things were expected of airlines and pilots in the context of the accident shouldn't worry people who think doing so will absolve Boeing.
And, here is where my problem lies. You yourself say "in the context of the accident," and yet you contribute greatly to the discussion of pilot and airline expectations, outside the context of the accidents. The Ethiopian thread's last post was four months ago. The last post in the Lion Air thread was 6 months ago! If the context is the accident(s), then are those threads not the appropriate place?
Otherwise, it's just a lot of back and forth noise, much of which bears a strong aroma of good old A vs B, and mostly takes away from relevant discussion. You seem to carry yourself as though you are above this sort of thing. However, carrying yourself above would mean not replying with flamebait posts such as your first post (post #3
) in this thread.
Now… the post you originally replied to with your fear of absolution:
Doesn’t absolve Boeing of anything at all, but it seems like Ethiopian needs a serious culture change.
How does this seem like a fear of absolution? To me, it seems like a pretty balanced statement. Boeing's fault is already acknowledged in this, and you yourself have acknowledged this many times. Indeed, continuing past SFOtoORD's first sentence (which I'm not sure you did), we find some hefty criticism of Ethiopian. If you can say that "fear of absolution is a real thing here on a.net," then anyone else can just as easily say that "the fear that nothing can help absolve Boeing is a real thing here on a.net." Maybe it's time to start playing like the adults are parents wanted us to be? As we were recently reminded:
If your post starts discussing another user, you probably will get warned. Hint, "You need... You believe..." or schoolyard insults are Flamebait.
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