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What Was Spirit Like Before Becoming a ULCC?

Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:17 pm

Hi guys,

Just curious as to your memories of what flying NK would've been like before they became a ULCC. Was their service more like the legacies or B6 have today? Did they have first class? Was the route structure similar to today's or did it more closely resemble a traditional hub-and-spoke? Any insights appreciated. Thanks in advance.
 
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:57 pm

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Re: What Was Spirit Like Before Becoming a ULCC?

Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:20 pm

In the years before the ULCC transition (ie the pixel livery era) actual service itself honestly wasn’t much different than what you get today. You just had a bit more room (seat pitch) and were not charged for every little thing (eg printing a ticket, bringing a large carryon bag, etc). They were not like B6 with the generous pitch and PTVs etc- F9 was a much more dramatic transition. Focus was on growing their FLL operations and moving away from just DTW.

Now I’m not sure what Spirit was like back in the 90s.
 
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Re: What Was Spirit Like Before Becoming a ULCC?

Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:35 pm

I remember only flying on Spirit once when I was like 5 years old. I don't really remember anything wrong with the flight itself, but my parents apparently hated every moment of it. According to them, the galley's fridge was leaking and the flight attendants where trying to sop all the water up with paper towels before the flight and they remember sitting in the back of the plane and it being excessively loud. (Spirit was an all DC-9/MD-80 fleet back in the late 90s early 00s i believe)
 
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:42 pm

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Re: What Was Spirit Like Before Becoming a ULCC?

Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:50 pm

I flew NK the day before they went full ULCC. They still served free water on board, but had recently switched over to selling sodas, etc. The seat pitch was a bit better, and they didn’t have near as many fees.
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What Was Spirit Like Before Becoming a ULCC?

Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:56 pm

Flew them between MCO and SJU during college breaks in the 2000’s, with MD80s. Nothing terrible/nothing spectacular. Back then bags/snacks/refreshments free of charge. Took you from point A to point B without much fuss and cheaper than the competition.


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Re: What Was Spirit Like Before Becoming a ULCC?

Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:12 pm

I remember flying them in the 1990s and the message on the seatback in front of me that said "fasten seatbelt while seated" was also in Czech or Polish or something.
 
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Re: What Was Spirit Like Before Becoming a ULCC?

Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:18 pm

Free beer in the lavatory, filet mignon served in the aft pit. Flight attendants wore miniskirts and parkas. They were a confused airline.
 
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Re: What Was Spirit Like Before Becoming a ULCC?

Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:24 pm

I used to fly them in the early/mid 2000s from ORD-RSW/FLL. They had first class, more coach leg room, and didnt charge for everything. They were also much cheaper than AA or UA and on par with ATA and Airtran. I remember paying $29 each way more than once. When they switched to ULCC, I switched airlines.
 
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Re: What Was Spirit Like Before Becoming a ULCC?

Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:28 pm

They were basically on par with FL as others had mentioned. Free light snacks and soft drinks, decent leg room, low fares.

F9 was dramatically different today than of yesterday. PTVs at every seat, and they served free light meals and hot snacks (muffins, donuts, cookies, croissant breakfast sandwiches) until around 2008/2009.

Both F9/NK (NK on the new build Airbus fleet only, not on the MD80s) had quite spacious seating adjustable headrests in Y as well, which was nice, as most US carriers at the time did not have adjustable headrests domestically.
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Re: What Was Spirit Like Before Becoming a ULCC?

Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:00 pm

Agree with the Airtran comparison if you remember them. Definitely not full service, but not completely ala cart. As far as I know, they’ve always been a low cost carrier. Not sure if they served meals at any point, as far as I remember anyhow, just complementary pretzels and biscoff and the like, as well as soft drinks. Seat pitch in Y was about what one would get on Southwest today.

They did have a business class section called Spirt Plus. Basically you got a domestic F seat and free alcoholic beverages.
 
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Re: What Was Spirit Like Before Becoming a ULCC?

Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:21 pm

Beechtobus wrote:
hey did have a business class section called Spirt Plus. Basically you got a domestic F seat and free alcoholic beverages.


After they stopped offering the business class service they kept the seat for a while and marketed it as "a big seat up front" and charged a premium for it.
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Re: What Was Spirit Like Before Becoming a ULCC?

Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:25 pm

[quote][/quote]This is really the third remake of NK

Back in the 90s when they had the old MD 80s...They really were garbage airline

Long delays, old planes, iffy staff, boarding passes with stickers for seat assignments like it was 1975.

The airbuses were a change for the better
 
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Re: What Was Spirit Like Before Becoming a ULCC?

Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:48 pm

NK was a lot different than they are today in the 90's. The ULCC model that you see today didn't really exist in the same construct that you see today.

They were a lot smaller, a lot more disorganized, extremely poor operational reliability, extremely poor customer service, old dated planes with worn-out interiors.
The operated a fleet of second-hand DC-9s and MD-80s that had often poor maintenance history from international operators.

Their operation was heavily focused initially around DTW and flying to Florida and to a handful of big cities with a leisure component (eg., LAX, LGA, ORD, DCA)
NW used predatory tactics in many market to attempt to drive NK off of certain routes to/from DTW and East Coast.

Customer service was atrocious, with understaffed airports, a fleet prone to long delays, and many stories of customers having multi-day delays, being stranded with limited rebooking options, flight cancellations with no reason, etc. The airline was heavily oriented and marketed toward the once-a-year crowd and they lured people in with their low fares but a lot of people would say "I'm never flying Spirit again"

By the early 2000's, NK really started to turn things around operationally, customer-service wise, and started actually becoming a serious airline. They started to attract a loyal customer base in some of their bigger markets like DTW and were a becoming a viable options to the much higher fares charged by the legacies (which were in complete dissary at the time. At this point they were more like FL and ATA.

The biggest shift was when they started to get the Airbus in the fleet and retired the DC-9s & MD-80s and then started the transition to the ULCC unbundled ala-carte options.
 
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Re: What Was Spirit Like Before Becoming a ULCC?

Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:51 pm

When they started, they were based in DTW, and had a major gate problem, as they had no gates and had to scrounge for them (you might not know what gate your flight was departing from until less than an hour before departure). I think that's one reason they ended up relocating their headquarters to Miramar, Florida. At some point they felt that they needed something different in order to compete, and recast the airline as an American version of Ryanair, but using Airbus equipment instead of Boeing (by that time, their DC9/MD80 fleet was pretty long-in-the-tooth, as it was all second hand to begin with). They were ultimately very successful, and have been profitable for several years now. If they hadn't made the switch to ULLC, I suspect they'd be long gone by now.
 
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Re: What Was Spirit Like Before Becoming a ULCC?

Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:33 pm

USAirALB wrote:
F9 was dramatically different today than of yesterday. PTVs at every seat, and they served free light meals and hot snacks (muffins, donuts, cookies, croissant breakfast sandwiches) until around 2008/2009.

2008 was the last time I flew them before their path to the dark side. I even canceled my credit card with them after they became full ULCC. They WERE a great airline that couldn't get management to figure out just what the hell they wanted to be, and all the repeated course corrections lead them to where they are today.
 
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Re: What Was Spirit Like Before Becoming a ULCC?

Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:46 pm

falstaff wrote:
Beechtobus wrote:
hey did have a business class section called Spirt Plus. Basically you got a domestic F seat and free alcoholic beverages.


After they stopped offering the business class service they kept the seat for a while and marketed it as "a big seat up front" and charged a premium for it.


They still offer the BIG FRONT SEAT product across the entire fleet. I was never a fan of the name but it does a pretty good job of getting across that all it is is just a bigger seat at the front of the plane.

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Customer service was atrocious, with understaffed airports, a fleet prone to long delays, and many stories of customers having multi-day delays, being stranded with limited rebooking options, flight cancellations with no reason, etc. The airline was heavily oriented and marketed toward the once-a-year crowd and they lured people in with their low fares but a lot of people would say "I'm never flying Spirit again"

By the early 2000's, NK really started to turn things around operationally, customer-service wise, and started actually becoming a serious airline. They started to attract a loyal customer base in some of their bigger markets like DTW and were a becoming a viable options to the much higher fares charged by the legacies (which were in complete dissary at the time. At this point they were more like FL and ATA.


The early 2000s were also when Ben Baldanza came to Spirit from US Airways and brought his idea for a Latin American/Caribbean hub at FLL with him. Ironically, by the end of his tenure they went back to not really caring about customer service or operational reliability.
 
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Re: What Was Spirit Like Before Becoming a ULCC?

Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:00 pm

It's interesting to see that all of the 1990s era LCCs (NK/FL/F9/TZ) have all either changed their course completely or disappeared (TZ) or merged (FL). I know TZ wasn't founded in the 90s but that's basically when they started running scheduled services around leisure travel (and not just focusing on charter ops).

NK/FL/F9/TZ all basically had the same product, a single class service (although FL/TZ/NK had a quasi-Business class service) with more legroom than the legacy carriers, simpler ticket policies when compared to legacy carriers at the time, and provided free refreshments. I would argue that the product on TZ and F9 was a bit nicer, given that they had nicer seats with adjustable headrests, had IFE (F9 had PTVs and TZ had drop-down LCD monitors), and served meals (F9 continued to serve meals until around 2008, TZ served meals until around 2003/2004, then switched to a legacy-style BOB product...Hawaii routes may still have had free meals).

I would make the argument that if FL were still around that they would have likely made the transition to an ULCC, same with TZ.

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2008 was the last time I flew them before their path to the dark side. I even canceled my credit card with them after they became full ULCC. They WERE a great airline that couldn't get management to figure out just what the hell they wanted to be, and all the repeated course corrections lead them to where they are today.

I personally never flew them, but I have heard great things about them pre-ULCC days. My older brother and his fiancé flew UA PHL-DEN-ANC and then back on F9 back in 2007 or 2008. He said the UA product was so barebones compared to F9. On the F9 redeye ANC-DEN, he said they served warmed cookies after takeoff and then a hot egg croissant before landing into DEN, and then a hot bagel with a banana on DEN-PHL.
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Re: What Was Spirit Like Before Becoming a ULCC?

Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:08 pm

They definitely had a nicer livery..


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Re: What Was Spirit Like Before Becoming a ULCC?

Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:30 pm

AWACSooner wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
F9 was dramatically different today than of yesterday. PTVs at every seat, and they served free light meals and hot snacks (muffins, donuts, cookies, croissant breakfast sandwiches) until around 2008/2009.

2008 was the last time I flew them before their path to the dark side. I even canceled my credit card with them after they became full ULCC. They WERE a great airline that couldn't get management to figure out just what the hell they wanted to be, and all the repeated course corrections lead them to where they are today.

Yes, it's extremely fortunate that all the repeated course corrections took place to lead them here- as one of the most cost effective ways to travel in the United States, and a company with a strong financial position. It sucks that all the amenities had to go, but better to do that and rake in money instead of burning it.
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:51 pm

Does NK no longer do the Big Front Seat thing any more?
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:46 pm

OB1504 wrote:
falstaff wrote:
They still offer the BIG FRONT SEAT product across the entire fleet. I was never a fan of the name but it does a pretty good job of getting across that all it is is just a bigger seat at the front of the plane.


I think it is one of the best marketing terms used by any airline. Short, sweet, and say exactly what it is.
 
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:48 pm

Veigar wrote:
They definitely had a nicer livery..


Image


The 'pixel' scheme that followed this one is better, IMO. Looked great on the MD-80. Still have some aircraft in it, or at least they did earlier this year.
 
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:54 pm

GSPSPOT wrote:
Does NK no longer do the Big Front Seat thing any more?


They do still offer it, and IMHO it's one of the better-kept value secrets in the industry...
 
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:06 pm

mga707 wrote:
Veigar wrote:
They definitely had a nicer livery..


Image


The 'pixel' scheme that followed this one is better, IMO. Looked great on the MD-80. Still have some aircraft in it, or at least they did earlier this year.


That pixel livery is still on some aircraft. I wonder why they haven't bothered repainting everything already.
 
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Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:10 am

mga707 wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
falstaff wrote:
They still offer the BIG FRONT SEAT product across the entire fleet. I was never a fan of the name but it does a pretty good job of getting across that all it is is just a bigger seat at the front of the plane.


I think it is one of the best marketing terms used by any airline. Short, sweet, and say exactly what it is.


Bare Fare, also by Spirit, is the winner I think. Both catchy and to the point.
 
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Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:29 am

Didn't ComAir (OH) have a hand in NKs early development?
 
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Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:02 am

I liked the old spirit. Used them to commute many times. These days they look like a yellow cab and smell just as bad. As an ulcc, they went down hill. The crews are always nice and accommodating but the cleanliness is gone.
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Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:22 am

Never flew them, but I do remember seeing their counter at ISP in 1999.
 
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Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:42 am

Flew them once in the MD-80 days, DCA-DTW (might have been IAD, can't quite remember) and the flight was pretty standard stuff but the one thing that stuck in my mind was how dreary and lousy the terminal they used in DTW was. Overcrowded and dingy.
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Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:52 am

mga707 wrote:
The 'pixel' scheme that followed this one is better, IMO. Looked great on the MD-80. Still have some aircraft in it, or at least they did earlier this year.

There's still a few around.

Here's one such ship at MSY, just last week, being used to measure for gate markers at the new terminal:

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Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:04 am

Not sure what airline people are talking about, but the seat pitch in the DC-9s was horrible compared to CV-580s. I used to fly on them in the 80s between ACY and Florida. I had to pick an aisle seat, just so I could put my legs and feet somewhere. It was that bad. However, the service was much better with free snacks and soft drinks.
 
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Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:19 am

DC-9 ride once between FLL-LGA. Seats in every row were from another airplane (mismatched) on a DC-9. Ride was fine, saved us from flying a long delay on Tower Air which was probably a solid on their part.
 
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Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:52 am

I've likely flown NK more than anybody else within this forum. There are three (unofficial) incarnations of Spirit -

NK was initially a charter airline based in Metro Detroit. Eventually, in the late 1990s, it launched scheduled service, largely connecting ORD, DTW, CLE and key NE communities to Florida and MYR; it also continued to operate and build upon its legacy charter arm, on routes like DTW-ACY. In the late '90s/early '00s, it expanded service West to LAS, OAK & LAX from both DTW & ORD, with connections offered to the rest of its network. It used DC-9 and MD-80 aircraft, typically with little modification from their previous owner; this meant that most aircraft interiors were mismatched, but seats were generally similar in comfort to legacy airlines. In-flight services included complimentary Pepsi products, alcohol for sale at a modest fee. snack basket (which included items like chips, fruit, etc.) and an in-flight magazine. When western services were launched, NK added light meals -- I have a picture showing a breakfast of Kellogg's cereal served alongside an Entenmann's-style doughnut. I also recall receiving breakfast burritos, and a Hot Pocket stick (NK didn't have ovens, so these items were heated on the ground and lukewarm & soggy when served). NK also included complimentary seat assignments and the same baggage allowance as the legacies. They also experimented with digEpad rentals.

NK was well-known for its ultra-cheap cyber fares, which -- if you were really, really, really flexible -- allowed travel to Florida for as low as $9 (hence the origins of the $9 fare club).

NK squabbled with NW at its home DTW, and thought it was being treated unfairly. Eventually, it moved its HQ to South Florida and gradually been concentrating service there. After 9-11, NK put itself for sale and was an attractive target because it had invested heavily in building relationships with travel agents (offering free training, cash bonuses and free flights) during an era when most airlines were severing commissions. NK was acquired by a private equity firm, which opted to replace NK's fleet with brand new 319 & 321, update its image and implement a management team that largely concentrated on building a FLL hub, scrapping much of the incumbent network. Some freebies were rolled back -- snacks were eliminated in favor of a "buy on board" menu, and included baggage allowance was reduced to a single bag.

The third incarnation of NK began 2007-2008, when it entirely eliminated included baggage allowances and ended complimentary soft drinks. Over the next several years, the in-flight experience continued to be cheapened, with less leg room, then seats that didn't recline, advertisements posted throughout the cabin, etc. They begin heavily advertising low-fares that included neither mandatory carrier fees nor fuel Obviously in recent years they've cleaned up...



crownvic wrote:
Not sure what airline people are talking about, but the seat pitch in the DC-9s was horrible compared to CV-580s. I used to fly on them in the 80s between ACY and Florida. I had to pick an aisle seat, just so I could put my legs and feet somewhere. It was that bad. However, the service was much better with free snacks and soft drinks.


Not sure what airline you're talking about, either. Spirit didn't operate CV-580s, nor did it operate scheduled service in the 1980s.
 
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WidebodyPTV wrote:
The third incarnation of NK began 2007-2008, when it entirely eliminated included baggage allowances and ended complimentary soft drinks. Over the next several years, the in-flight experience continued to be cheapened, with less leg room, then seats that didn't recline, advertisements posted throughout the cabin, etc. They begin heavily advertising low-fares that included neither mandatory carrier fees nor fuel Obviously in recent years they've cleaned up...


Spirit’s infamous “1¢“ fares are why the DOT started requiring airlines to include all fees in advertised prices.

The in-cabin advertising thing seems to have been quietly discontinued. I haven’t seen any new airplanes with ads in them for years.
 
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Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:07 am

Tenaja85 wrote:
GSPSPOT wrote:
Does NK no longer do the Big Front Seat thing any more?


They do still offer it, and IMHO it's one of the better-kept value secrets in the industry...


It's still available as an option on Spirit's website from memory and is advertised during the booking process on the website. I'm actually a tad surprised they don't advertise it a bit more.
 
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SCFlyer wrote:
Tenaja85 wrote:
GSPSPOT wrote:
Does NK no longer do the Big Front Seat thing any more?


They do still offer it, and IMHO it's one of the better-kept value secrets in the industry...


It's still available as an option on Spirit's website from memory and is advertised during the booking process on the website. I'm actually a tad surprised they don't advertise it a bit more.


NK started to remove the Big Front Seat, but changed course and actually added an extra row. They advertise heavily for it on their website, sometimes they have sales on the seats. Excellent value indeed.
 
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Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:37 am

WidebodyPTV wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
Tenaja85 wrote:

They do still offer it, and IMHO it's one of the better-kept value secrets in the industry...


It's still available as an option on Spirit's website from memory and is advertised during the booking process on the website. I'm actually a tad surprised they don't advertise it a bit more.


NK started to remove the Big Front Seat, but changed course and actually added an extra row. They advertise heavily for it on their website, sometimes they have sales on the seats. Excellent value indeed.


I paid $80 total o fly from MCI - LAX ($40 for the flight and $40 for the seat) in the big front seat reserving my ticket 4 days in advance. It was wonderful.
 
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Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:42 am

I've likely flown NK more than anybody else within this forum. There are three (unofficial) incarnations of Spirit


unlikely..
 
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WidebodyPTV wrote:
I've likely flown NK more than anybody else within this forum. There are three (unofficial) incarnations of Spirit -

NK was initially a charter airline based in Metro Detroit. Eventually, in the late 1990s, it launched scheduled service, largely connecting ORD, DTW, CLE and key NE communities to Florida and MYR; it also continued to operate and build upon its legacy charter arm, on routes like DTW-ACY. In the late '90s/early '00s, it expanded service West to LAS, OAK & LAX from both DTW & ORD, with connections offered to the rest of its network. It used DC-9 and MD-80 aircraft, typically with little modification from their previous owner; this meant that most aircraft interiors were mismatched, but seats were generally similar in comfort to legacy airlines. In-flight services included complimentary Pepsi products, alcohol for sale at a modest fee. snack basket (which included items like chips, fruit, etc.) and an in-flight magazine. When western services were launched, NK added light meals -- I have a picture showing a breakfast of Kellogg's cereal served alongside an Entenmann's-style doughnut. I also recall receiving breakfast burritos, and a Hot Pocket stick (NK didn't have ovens, so these items were heated on the ground and lukewarm & soggy when served). NK also included complimentary seat assignments and the same baggage allowance as the legacies. They also experimented with digEpad rentals.

NK was well-known for its ultra-cheap cyber fares, which -- if you were really, really, really flexible -- allowed travel to Florida for as low as $9 (hence the origins of the $9 fare club).

NK squabbled with NW at its home DTW, and thought it was being treated unfairly. Eventually, it moved its HQ to South Florida and gradually been concentrating service there. After 9-11, NK put itself for sale and was an attractive target because it had invested heavily in building relationships with travel agents (offering free training, cash bonuses and free flights) during an era when most airlines were severing commissions. NK was acquired by a private equity firm, which opted to replace NK's fleet with brand new 319 & 321, update its image and implement a management team that largely concentrated on building a FLL hub, scrapping much of the incumbent network. Some freebies were rolled back -- snacks were eliminated in favor of a "buy on board" menu, and included baggage allowance was reduced to a single bag.

The third incarnation of NK began 2007-2008, when it entirely eliminated included baggage allowances and ended complimentary soft drinks. Over the next several years, the in-flight experience continued to be cheapened, with less leg room, then seats that didn't recline, advertisements posted throughout the cabin, etc. They begin heavily advertising low-fares that included neither mandatory carrier fees nor fuel Obviously in recent years they've cleaned up...



crownvic wrote:
Not sure what airline people are talking about, but the seat pitch in the DC-9s was horrible compared to CV-580s. I used to fly on them in the 80s between ACY and Florida. I had to pick an aisle seat, just so I could put my legs and feet somewhere. It was that bad. However, the service was much better with free snacks and soft drinks.


Not sure what airline you're talking about, either. Spirit didn't operate CV-580s, nor did it operate scheduled service in the 1980s.


My friend, you need to get your facts straight, because for somebody that is claiming to have flown this airline more than anyone, you are not looking too good. I maybe slightly off my dates, but this airline started as Charter One with CV-580s. Although they were based in DTW, most of their flying operated from ACY on public charter flights.
 
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Re: What Was Spirit Like Before Becoming a ULCC?

Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:36 am

Italianflyer wrote:
Didn't ComAir (OH) have a hand in NKs early development?


Thank you for asking. I am a former Comair Ticket Agent & Gate Agent at CVG. No, Comair had nothing to do with the early years of NK. I did, though, clear a number of their CPTs & FOs to ride in Comair jumpseats. The NK crews were always personable & engaging. I asked one of their Captains one time about Spirit's operations at Myrtle Beach. He took the time to explain the operation to me. As an AvGeek, I appreciated that.

However, after I left Comair & before NK became a ULCC, one of their DTW to Florida flights went mechanical en route & diverted to CVG. As I recall, it took Spirit a couple of days before they could free up (or charter) a plane to make a rescue flight. One of the local Cincinnati TV stations covered the story, along with what people at CVG were doing to make the stranded NK passengers' lives easier.

Slightly off topic, I have been suggesting for the past year that I believe that Spirit would do well to inaugurate service to Dayton, Ohio (DAY), as that airport has lost nearly all of its LCC / ULCC service. I still feel that way!
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What Was Spirit Like Before Becoming a ULCC?

Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:00 am

I remember on one of my flights back to college flying on an NK MD80 from SJU to MCO. I recall it was in all white, no titles, no color scheme.

This made my father uncomfortable, as he was leaving his comfort zone of flying with the majors and was about to board an all white plane, of an airline he barely knew. LOL!
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