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LAM confirms its return to the European Market (LIS)

Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:46 pm

LAM to return to LIS on March 31st 2020. The airline will use an A340-300 from Hifly and will operate the route 3x weekly in competition to TAP Portugal.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... -late-1q20

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Re: LAM confirms its return to the European Market (LIS)

Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:02 pm

They announced route in July during state visit Mozambican President visit to Europe.

Obviously must be via ACMI as Mozambique banned from European airspace.
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Re: LAM confirms its return to the European Market (LIS)

Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:03 pm

lesfalls wrote:
LAM to return to LIS on March 31st 2020. The airline will use an A340-300 from Hifly and will operate the route 3x weekly in competition to TAP Portugal.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... -late-1q20

Your thoughts?


They won't really be competing with TP. They want to partner with TP to offer daily service as well as code-sharing beyond LIS.
Also this is only a 6 month trial service.
 
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Re: LAM confirms its return to the European Market (LIS)

Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:02 pm

Interesting info! thanks.
According to this website, this route represents 40K pax rt per year ( sorry not a specialist and how to translate it in PDEW or anything else).
What are the market shares of TP or eventually TD or ET to Mozambique?

https://newsaero.info/airlines/mozambiq ... ?true=2217
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Re: LAM confirms its return to the European Market (LIS)

Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:11 pm

eastafspot wrote:
Interesting info! thanks.
According to this website, this route represents 40K pax rt per year ( sorry not a specialist and how to translate it in PDEW or anything else).
What are the market shares of TP or eventually TD or ET to Mozambique?

https://newsaero.info/airlines/mozambiq ... ?true=2217


Using very basic math, 40k divided by 2, then divided by 365 gives you ~54-55 pax each way. I'm sure there is more to it
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Re: LAM confirms its return to the European Market (LIS)

Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:44 am

airportugal310 wrote:
eastafspot wrote:
Interesting info! thanks.
According to this website, this route represents 40K pax rt per year ( sorry not a specialist and how to translate it in PDEW or anything else).
What are the market shares of TP or eventually TD or ET to Mozambique?

https://newsaero.info/airlines/mozambiq ... ?true=2217


Using very basic math, 40k divided by 2, then divided by 365 gives you ~54-55 pax each way. I'm sure there is more to it

Thanks for your answer, much apreciated!
So far, in a perfect world, all these pax would go to ( I would assume) to TAP Air Portugal!
Is it correct? Or Air Angola (before LAM starts ops) do grab some share of the pie too?
I really don't know, just questioning - like you probably :smile:
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Re: LAM confirms its return to the European Market (LIS)

Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:44 am

airbazar wrote:
They won't really be competing with TP. They want to partner with TP to offer daily service as well as code-sharing beyond LIS.
Also this is only a 6 month trial service.


I'm not sure I understand the logic here. Wouldn't it make more sense to come to an agreement with TP to operate more frequent service in exchange for a subsidy or revenue guarantee?

eastafspot wrote:
According to this website, this route represents 40K pax rt per year


If that's true, daily service on an aircraft capable of MPM-LIS would likely be vastly overserving the market.
 
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Re: LAM confirms its return to the European Market (LIS)

Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:00 am

ScottB wrote:
airbazar wrote:
They won't really be competing with TP. They want to partner with TP to offer daily service as well as code-sharing beyond LIS.
Also this is only a 6 month trial service.


I'm not sure I understand the logic here. Wouldn't it make more sense to come to an agreement with TP to operate more frequent service in exchange for a subsidy or revenue guarantee?


eastafspot wrote:
According to this website, this route represents 40K pax rt per year


If that's true, daily service on an aircraft capable of MPM-LIS would likely be vastly overserving the market.


Agreed on both comments, ScottB

This seems like going through a lot of hassle for not much...
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Re: LAM confirms its return to the European Market (LIS)

Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:07 am

mercure1 wrote:
They announced route in July during state visit Mozambican President visit to Europe.

Obviously must be via ACMI as Mozambique banned from European airspace.


I wonder why... my friend who works on VALE was transfered to Maputo to work, he claims he survived 4 emegency landings and few mid air engine shutdowns...
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Re: LAM confirms its return to the European Market (LIS)

Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:07 pm

MoKa777 wrote:
ScottB wrote:
airbazar wrote:
They won't really be competing with TP. They want to partner with TP to offer daily service as well as code-sharing beyond LIS.
Also this is only a 6 month trial service.


I'm not sure I understand the logic here. Wouldn't it make more sense to come to an agreement with TP to operate more frequent service in exchange for a subsidy or revenue guarantee?


eastafspot wrote:
According to this website, this route represents 40K pax rt per year


If that's true, daily service on an aircraft capable of MPM-LIS would likely be vastly overserving the market.


Agreed on both comments, ScottB

This seems like going through a lot of hassle for not much...


It's LAM. Flying to Europe is more about prestige than profits.
They want to codeshare with TP on the route as well as beyond LIS, and for the combined operation to reach daily service in 3-4 years.
https://www.sapo.pt/noticias/economia/l ... 6152c516ad
I suspect that the 40,000 pax is the number that TAP currently flies between Lisbon and Maputo.
TP currently flies the route 3x week with an A343. That adds up to 41,888 seats each way per year which is probably what he's referring to. Some of those are going to be connections and some of them are flying with other airlines. For example TAAG offers connections between Portugal and Maputo as I'm sure TK and QR also do.

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