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Volotea launching its first route to BCN

Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:52 pm

Despite having its main offices in BCN, Volotea does not fly to BCN at all from any of its bases in Europe.

They have just announced today first service to Barcelona from Strasbourg, starting next April 2020 2x/w.

https://www.quellecompagnie.com/News/no ... t-0649.php

Volotea has steadly incresed its market share in France and Italy. Do you see them with chances of being acquired by any big EU player? They could have a nice role under AF/KLM complementing Transavia, and maybe taking over the failed project of Hop/Air France Regional.
 
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Re: Volotea launching its first route to BCN

Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:52 pm

What has failed with the Hop/ Air France Régional?
 
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Re: Volotea launching its first route to BCN

Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:14 pm

a350lover wrote:
They have just announced today first service to Barcelona


Like many other LCCs, they started operations avoiding the main and expensive airports but they slowly change this politic and are now flying from Madrid, Munich, Nice or Vienna. Barcelona is now following this expansion so maybe the next targets are Rome, Lisbon or Milan Malpensa. By the way, according to this article (in french), the carrier does not want to serve Paris but does have ambition for the german market.

https://www.tourmag.com/Volotea-ouvrir- ... Oht8aMf8d0
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Re: Volotea launching its first route to BCN

Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:23 pm

They also serve Athens which is a rather expensive airport. Not only that but they seem to be doing well on the crowded domestic Greek market.
 
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Re: Volotea launching its first route to BCN

Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:27 pm

Isn’t Voloteas strategi to fly niche routes and open new connections, not being low cost that avoids expensive airports?
 
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Re: Volotea launching its first route to BCN

Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:30 pm

Alsatian wrote:
a350lover wrote:
They have just announced today first service to Barcelona


Like many other LCCs, they started operations avoiding the main and expensive airports but they slowly change this politic and are now flying from Madrid, Munich, Nice or Vienna. Barcelona is now following this expansion so maybe the next targets are Rome, Lisbon or Milan Malpensa. By the way, according to this article (in french), the carrier does not want to serve Paris but does have ambition for the german market.

https://www.tourmag.com/Volotea-ouvrir- ... Oht8aMf8d0

The already have a a few flights to MXP from OLB in the summer.
 
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Re: Volotea launching its first route to BCN

Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:19 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Isn’t Voloteas strategi to fly niche routes and open new connections, not being low cost that avoids expensive airports?


It is. They also try to avoid as much as they can routes with competitors
 
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Re: Volotea launching its first route to BCN

Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:33 am

I noticed that took one of Adria's A319s.
 
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Re: Volotea launching its first route to BCN

Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:12 am

My crystal ball says that Volotea's future has Vueling written all over it....
 
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Re: Volotea launching its first route to BCN

Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:23 am

It could also have easyJet’s name all over it!
 
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Re: Volotea launching its first route to BCN

Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:54 am

or Lauda for that matter....
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Re: Volotea launching its first route to BCN

Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:01 am

oldannyboy wrote:
My crystal ball says that Volotea's future has Vueling written all over it....


LuxuryTravelled wrote:
It could also have easyJet’s name all over it!


DALCE wrote:
or Lauda for that matter....


That was the original plan no doubt.

But it doesn't seem carriers like Vueling or easyJet are rushing to buy Volotea. What for? It is easier to grow organically and wait for other carriers to go bankrupt (Thomson, Aigle Azur, etc.). Volotea is not a threat to any of them, since it is so geographically diversified and it is not a strong carrier in any major airport.

Another problem with V7 (despite being profitable) is that they are focused on thin routes. Things like Bilbao-Cagliari or Athens-Verona might look cool in a booming economy, but those are the kind of (let's say) tertiary routes that will struggle in a recession or economic slowdown. With too much overcapacity in the European market, carriers like U2, FR and VY have more chances to keep up.
 
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Re: Volotea launching its first route to BCN

Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:59 am

SCQ83 wrote:
oldannyboy wrote:
My crystal ball says that Volotea's future has Vueling written all over it....


LuxuryTravelled wrote:
It could also have easyJet’s name all over it!


DALCE wrote:
or Lauda for that matter....


That was the original plan no doubt.

But it doesn't seem carriers like Vueling or easyJet are rushing to buy Volotea. What for? It is easier to grow organically and wait for other carriers to go bankrupt (Thomson, Aigle Azur, etc.). Volotea is not a threat to any of them, since it is so geographically diversified and it is not a strong carrier in any major airport.

Another problem with V7 (despite being profitable) is that they are focused on thin routes. Things like Bilbao-Cagliari or Athens-Verona might look cool in a booming economy, but those are the kind of (let's say) tertiary routes that will struggle in a recession or economic slowdown. With too much overcapacity in the European market, carriers like U2, FR and VY have more chances to keep up.


Not thinking so much of specific routes, but gain market share in important bases for easyJet. Nantes, Bordeaux, Venice specifically.
 
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Re: Volotea launching its first route to BCN

Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:07 pm

A380MSN004 wrote:
What has failed with the Hop/ Air France Régional?

Yeah, what went wrong? I think AF took the same approach BA took when creating BA connect out of BA citiexpress. Just merging all regional ops into one single brand. Unlike BACon, Hop! Seems to keep up flying...
Although I have to admit it is hard to catch up with these movements like: are they still an AF franchise? Are they treated like regular AF flights or codeshares? Regarding miles are they the same for Flying Blue and other alliance partners?

It’s just the same all over Europe. Clickair (later Vueling) from IB... Smartwings/Eurowings from LH... The aforementioned BACon... Jetstar with Qantas in Australia...


oldannyboy wrote:
My crystal ball says that Volotea's future has Vueling written all over it....


Well, given that it was created by the same ones that created (the original) Vueling... I’m not so sure
 
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Re: Volotea launching its first route to BCN

Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:06 pm

a350lover wrote:
Despite having its main offices in BCN, Volotea does not fly to BCN at all from any of its bases in Europe.


Just for the records, VOLOTEA might have offices in Barcelona, but their heartbeat is in Asturian (which is well served):
"Volotea, S.A. con tax ID code: ES A64841927, registered address at Aeropuerto de Asturias, Santiago del Monte (Castrillón), 33459, Spain."
 
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Re: Volotea launching its first route to BCN

Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:02 pm

debonair wrote:
a350lover wrote:
Despite having its main offices in BCN, Volotea does not fly to BCN at all from any of its bases in Europe.


Just for the records, VOLOTEA might have offices in Barcelona, but their heartbeat is in Asturian (which is well served):
"Volotea, S.A. con tax ID code: ES A64841927, registered address at Aeropuerto de Asturias, Santiago del Monte (Castrillón), 33459, Spain."

Isn"t that just to save on taxes?
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Re: Volotea launching its first route to BCN

Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:06 pm

In addition it seems that we could see Volotea/Air Europa replacing Thomas Cook in the Canaries:

https://www.diariodelanzarote.com/notic ... nectividad
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Re: Volotea launching its first route to BCN

Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:11 pm

LuxuryTravelled wrote:
Not thinking so much of specific routes, but gain market share in important bases for easyJet. Nantes, Bordeaux, Venice specifically.


Important bases in a bit of a stretch. Nantes or Bordeaux are not Gatwick or Berlin for easyJet.

In any case, even in NTE, BOD or VCE Volotea is not a threat to EasyJet or Vueling. They have many routes but are mainly seasonal, leisure-oriented routes. Just compare easyJet and Volotea out of VCE:

easyJet: Amsterdam, Bari, Belfast–International, Berlin–Tegel, Bordeaux, Bristol, Catania, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Hamburg, Liverpool, London–Gatwick, London–Luton, Lyon, Manchester, Marrakesh, Marseille, Naples, Nice, Paris–Charles de Gaulle, Paris–Orly, Prague, Seville, Stuttgart, Tel Aviv, Toulouse, Zurich
Seasonal: Alghero, Aqaba, Bastia, Brindisi, Cagliari, Copenhagen, Corfu, Dubrovnik, Hurghada, Ibiza, Lanzarote, Lille, Kefalonia, Kos, Kraków, Marsa Alam, Menorca, Mykonos, Olbia, Palma de Mallorca, Rhodes, Santorini, Split, Thessaloniki


Volotea: Athens, Bari, Bilbao, Bordeaux, Catania, Marseille, Nantes, Palermo, Toulouse
Seasonal: Alghero, Alicante, Asturias, Brindisi, Cagliari, Corfu, Dubrovnik, Heraklion, Karpathos, Kefalonia, Kos, Lamezia Terme, Lampedusa, Málaga, Mykonos, Olbia, Palma de Mallorca, Pantelleria, Prague, Preveza/Lefkada, Rhodes, Samos, Santander, Santorini, Skiathos, Split, Zakynthos, Zaragoza


Volotea is a good complement for easyJet. But not a threat. They don't bother them in main routes like Amsterdam, Berlin, London or Paris. The overwhelming majority of Volotea routes are served on a low frequency basis. easyJet could launch tomorrow flights to Zakynthos or Málaga. In an economic and aviation environment where traffic is growing much slower than a couple of years ago, routes like Venice-Karpathos or Preveza are the typical ones that will go away anyway if there is an economic slowdown. So what would the point for U2 to purchase V7 in this environment?
 
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Re: Volotea launching its first route to BCN

Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:16 pm

lesfalls wrote:
Isn"t that just to save on taxes?


Nothing about taxes. Asturias probably has more taxes than pretty much any other region in Spain.

They moved the registered address to Asturias when Catalonia had that independence referendum / madness a couple of years ago. Most companies moved out of Barcelona to Madrid. But since Volotea did not have operations in MAD and their only base in Spain was in OVD, they moved the address to Asturias to continue operating in Spain/EU.

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