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Re: Confirmed: EK launching MEX via BCN

Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:06 pm

was looking at the schedule and how was EK able to obtain prime slots at MEX? Did they have buy the slots? (I know they signed an interlinear agreement with Interjet sometime last year). I know MEX is awaiting expansion but to my understanding that would take at least a year for first phase to be completed.
 
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Re: Confirmed: EK launching MEX via BCN

Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:23 pm

dodgers702 wrote:
I know MEX is awaiting expansion but to my understanding that would take at least a year for first phase to be completed.


No expansion is under way. The construction of a substitute new huge airport was shut down at a 37% advance by the current Mexican president, just because he doesn't like it. He says that he will built a "cheaper" additional airport in what is a Military Base north of Mexico City in just 2 years, but local and international specialists say that it is not viable, as it can't be operated simultaneously with the current.

This is the construction site of the airport to be thrown into the trash, in which around of 6 billion dollars have been already invested. The foundation of the first two runways (out of six), the control tower, and the main building designed for around 100 jetways are ready, and the latter was receiving the first columns ot the central halls last February:

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Re: Confirmed: EK launching MEX via BCN

Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:55 pm

Large Mexican community in DXB. Sure they will benefit.
 
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Re: Confirmed: EK launching MEX via BCN

Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:56 pm

ghost77 wrote:
dodgers702 wrote:
I know MEX is awaiting expansion but to my understanding that would take at least a year for first phase to be completed.


No expansion is under way. The construction of a substitute new huge airport was shut down at a 37% advance by the current Mexican president, just because he doesn't like it. He says that he will built a "cheaper" additional airport in what is a Military Base north of Mexico City in just 2 years, but local and international specialists say that it is not viable, as it can't be operated simultaneously with the current.

This is the construction site of the airport to be thrown into the trash, in which around of 6 billion dollars have been already invested. The foundation of the first two runways (out of six), the control tower, and the main building designed for around 100 jetways are ready, and the latter was receiving the first columns ot the central halls last February:

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Beyond horrific!! I still can’t believe this happened. MEX was so close to get the airport it deserved.
 
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Re: Confirmed: EK launching MEX via BCN

Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:28 pm

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not sure if many Indians work for EK. On many flights to/from India I don't see a single FA who can speak Hindi and if they did there will be just one. Yes many Indians work in Dubai,


Well, there is an "Indian Mafia" who runs the scheduling department. That, coupled with the seniority of Indian FA's means that Indians NEVER work the "undesirable" Indian turnarounds. The expats all lament "save the India flights for the Indians". This would only be good customer service, offering extra language speakers on Indian sectors, but since Indians run the rosters, they give the premium flights to their countrymen to the detriment of the passenger experience. There are never any Indians on the undesirable Indian flights, as all the Indians are scheduled to go to Europe or the USA.
 
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Re: Confirmed: EK launching MEX via BCN

Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:31 am

What a roller coaster ride.

AM is going daily because 3x weekly would not be competitive, and EK would drive AM out of the route in a matter of months. The biggest question is how large the market is to support two carriers flying daily profitably. I mean, think about it. AM has been doing this announcement-cancellation-announcement dance while blaming the UAE for the "unlawful subsidies to EK that would result in a not-level playing field". And now suddenly AM thinks there is room for 2 carriers flying nonstop daily? Sheesh.Only a month and days ago we had zero nonstop frequencies and in a few months' time we will have 14 weeklies. Either BCN was always a gold mine and AM just failed to do anything about it, or this is just the beginning of a bloody fare war that AM will lose.

I also wonder what percentage of IB's and AM's MEX-MAD / MAD-MEX ultimately go to, or originate at BCN, and whether MAD-MEX frequencies will be trimmed a bit as a result of these EK and AM nonstops to BCN.

Another question: AM just announced it is cancelling PVG because it is reallocating the aircraft (i.e., 788s) that fly MEX-PVG's to the BCN route. However, it seems BCN will be served with 789s instead of 788s. Wasn't it easier to just cut the crap and accept that PVG is being cancelled because it was not profitable?
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Re: Confirmed: EK launching MEX via BCN

Fri Jul 19, 2019 5:22 pm

EddieDude wrote:
Another question: AM just announced it is cancelling PVG because it is reallocating the aircraft (i.e., 788s) that fly MEX-PVG's to the BCN route. However, it seems BCN will be served with 789s instead of 788s. Wasn't it easier to just cut the crap and accept that PVG is being cancelled because it was not profitable?


BCN going back to 788 now they're expanding frequency. So the frames need to come from somewhere. https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2019/
 
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Re: Confirmed: EK launching MEX via BCN

Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:50 am

That did not take that long...

Aeromexico is leaning on its government to reverse a decision that grants Dubai-based Emirates fifth-freedom rights between Mexico City and Barcelona and is pledging to emphasize its own new service on the route to demonstrate its commitment, CEO Andrés Conesa said.

https://atwonline.com/airports-routes/a ... edom-plans

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Re: Confirmed: EK launching MEX via BCN

Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:48 am

"Aeromexico is leaning on its government to reverse a decision that grants Dubai-based Emirates fifth-freedom rights between Mexico City and Barcelona"

Well that's unlikely to happen as AM is on the Mexican government's sh*t list for not supporting the airport designed by the President's compadre.

Interjet's CEO suddenly started supporting the world's worst planned airport and in weeks got a government bail out. So if Aeromexico wants to keep Emirates out of MEX-BCN they better start kissing the President's shoes.
 
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Re: Confirmed: EK launching MEX via BCN

Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:25 pm

aeropix wrote:
hohd wrote:
not sure if many Indians work for EK. On many flights to/from India I don't see a single FA who can speak Hindi and if they did there will be just one. Yes many Indians work in Dubai,


Well, there is an "Indian Mafia" who runs the scheduling department. That, coupled with the seniority of Indian FA's means that Indians NEVER work the "undesirable" Indian turnarounds. The expats all lament "save the India flights for the Indians". This would only be good customer service, offering extra language speakers on Indian sectors, but since Indians run the rosters, they give the premium flights to their countrymen to the detriment of the passenger experience. There are never any Indians on the undesirable Indian flights, as all the Indians are scheduled to go to Europe or the USA.


That seems pretty standard across the industry - the longer hauls go senior. Not sure whats so remarkable here, or why anyone should shed a tear for the "expats".
 
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Re: Confirmed: EK launching MEX via BCN

Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:11 pm

Don't need this thread to get way out of hand please. Of course AM is going to try and put up a fight. But unless EK decides to cancel the route ala the DXB-PTY reasons a few years ago it seems AM may have already lost this war.
 
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Re: Confirmed: EK launching MEX via BCN

Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:21 pm

My partner and I are looking at going to Europe from Mexico City next year around May June and Aeromexico has cheap fares around $700 to Barcelona while Emirates is around $1500 which seams high for economy class for May. Never flew Emirates and wouldn’t mind trying them out but they would need to come down a bit
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Re: Confirmed: EK launching MEX via BCN

Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:12 am

So not sure if anyone has any more updated but apparently EK has been assigned slots for the winter schedule at MEX but still waiting final approval from the DGAC? Well its still bookable on EK website but does have a note that says "subject to government approval". Inaugural flight is 2 months away and yet AM, Union Pilots of MEX and other still hoping the Mexican goverment can reverse their decision and prevent them from 5th freedom flights: (sorry, only in Spanish).

https://www.24-horas.mx/2019/10/08/sena ... a-desleal/
 
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Re: Confirmed: EK launching MEX via BCN

Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:29 am

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Judge Blocks Emirates’ Mexico City Flight

Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:27 am

Emirates faces another obstacle in its attempt to launch Mexico City flights.

El Universal is reporting that a judge has ruled in favor of Aeromexico in blocking Emirates’ right to fly between Barcelona and Mexico City with pick-up rights. This overturns the air services agreement that had been signed between the governments of Mexico and the UAE.

With this ruling, Emirates is no longer allowed to launch this flight. As of this moment the flight continues to be on sale, but then again this ruling was just made.


https://onemileatatime.com/judge-blocks ... ty-flight/

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Re: Judge Blocks Emirates’ Mexico City Flight

Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:37 am

Poorly written article.

Repeating "overturned air services agreement" without citing to any specific provision of it that wouldn't support this ruling, likely isn't an accurate statement of what happened.
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Re: Judge Blocks Emirates’ Mexico City Flight

Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:50 am

No legal right to ban EK from flying to Mexico (see article below). I’m sure the flight will happen.

https://aristeguinoticias.com/0910/mexi ... exico-sct/
 
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Re: Judge Blocks Emirates’ Mexico City Flight

Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:21 am

As expected, Emirates will appeal the judge's decision and is confident the flights will take place.

https://www.arabianbusiness.com/transpo ... urt-ruling
 
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Re: Judge Blocks Emirates’ Mexico City Flight

Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:15 am

teomeo wrote:
No legal right to ban EK from flying to Mexico (see article below). I’m sure the flight will happen.

https://aristeguinoticias.com/0910/mexi ... exico-sct/


What's being banned is fifth freedom on BCN-MEX-BCN, they can start the route but I really doubt they will make a profit relying only MEX-DXB and connections onward. There are too many MEX-Asia one-stop options through Europe
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Emirates lost its rights in operating DXB-BCN-MEX?

Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:21 am

After a court appealing announced the blocking of Emirates flights into the country which is scheduled to start on 09DEC, Emirates flights into Mexico City is in uncertainty.
Aero Mexico, which is behind the legal case, already operates flights between both nations.

Emirates from the other side is stating that the flights will go on as planned as they will return appeal the courts ruling.
The Mexican government, tourism officials and the Mexican Civil Aviation Authority are all supporting Emirates arrival into the country.

Emirates was offered 3 weekly flights into Mexico City then latter were offering daily slots as ther requested.

Source: https://www.arabianbusiness.com/transpo ... urt-ruling
 
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Re: Updated: Judge Blocks EK's MEX Flight via BCN

Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:22 am

So what happen? Is the flight to MEX being cancelled or still pending to start?
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Re: Emirates lost its rights in operating DXB-BCN-MEX?

Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:31 am

xwb777 wrote:
After a court appealing announced the blocking of Emirates flights into the country which is scheduled to start on 09DEC, Emirates flights into Mexico City is in uncertainty.
Aero Mexico, which is behind the legal case, already operates flights between both nations.



I'd bet that DL is also a driving factor behind this as they do have a 49% stake in Aero Mexico and we all know how much DL loves Emirates
 
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Re: Updated: Judge Blocks EK's MEX Flight via BCN

Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:16 pm

If they can’t carry BCN traffic maybe EK will revert to their original DXB MEX CUN DXB proposal
 
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Re: Updated: Judge Blocks EK's MEX Flight via BCN

Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:54 pm

What is so disgraceful about the Judge's decision. AM already runs BCN 3 times a week and if they can show commitment to eventually run daily services then as a Mexican flag carrier, they should get preference. EK can still fly if it wants to, except that it cannot sell tickets on BCN-MEX. Now let us see if EK is committed to this route or they can always fly via CUN.
 
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Re: Updated: Judge Blocks EK's MEX Flight via BCN

Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:01 pm

hohd wrote:
What is so disgraceful about the Judge's decision. AM already runs BCN 3 times a week and if they can show commitment to eventually run daily services then as a Mexican flag carrier, they should get preference. EK can still fly if it wants to, except that it cannot sell tickets on BCN-MEX. Now let us see if EK is committed to this route or they can always fly via CUN.


Indeed, those 5th freedom flights make no sense when there are local carriers that can operate them.
 
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Re: Updated: Judge Blocks EK's MEX Flight via BCN

Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:36 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
hohd wrote:
What is so disgraceful about the Judge's decision. AM already runs BCN 3 times a week and if they can show commitment to eventually run daily services then as a Mexican flag carrier, they should get preference. EK can still fly if it wants to, except that it cannot sell tickets on BCN-MEX. Now let us see if EK is committed to this route or they can always fly via CUN.


Indeed, those 5th freedom flights make no sense when there are local carriers that can operate them.

They started BCN recently though and was used as a reason against EK operating the flight. I bet as soon as EK can't operate the flight, AM will drop it altogether.
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Re: Updated: Judge Blocks EK's MEX Flight via BCN

Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:49 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
hohd wrote:
What is so disgraceful about the Judge's decision. AM already runs BCN 3 times a week and if they can show commitment to eventually run daily services then as a Mexican flag carrier, they should get preference. EK can still fly if it wants to, except that it cannot sell tickets on BCN-MEX. Now let us see if EK is committed to this route or they can always fly via CUN.


Indeed, those 5th freedom flights make no sense when there are local carriers that can operate them.

Why are we letting the government pick who flys what? If the bilateral allows it, any airline should be able to fly it and let the market work out who gets it.
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Re: Updated: Judge Blocks EK's MEX Flight via BCN

Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:53 pm

hohd wrote:
What is so disgraceful about the Judge's decision. AM already runs BCN 3 times a week and if they can show commitment to eventually run daily services then as a Mexican flag carrier, they should get preference. EK can still fly if it wants to, except that it cannot sell tickets on BCN-MEX. Now let us see if EK is committed to this route or they can always fly via CUN.


The point of an Open Skies agreement - is that the Mexican consumer/visitor can get preference by lowering fares due competition. By giving preference to the Mexican flag carrier, the Mexican business community and traveling public suffer to the benefit of one corporation.

Fares will remain higher - joe public pays more.
 
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Re: Updated: Judge Blocks EK's MEX Flight via BCN

Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:15 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
hohd wrote:
What is so disgraceful about the Judge's decision. AM already runs BCN 3 times a week and if they can show commitment to eventually run daily services then as a Mexican flag carrier, they should get preference. EK can still fly if it wants to, except that it cannot sell tickets on BCN-MEX. Now let us see if EK is committed to this route or they can always fly via CUN.


Indeed, those 5th freedom flights make no sense when there are local carriers that can operate them.


Well they make no sense if your interest is in maintaining a monopoly I guess

How does competition not make sense? Should we stop foreign car manufacturers building cars in other countries if there are local manufacturers that can do it?
 
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Re: Updated: Judge Blocks EK's MEX Flight via BCN

Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:46 pm

Couldn´t EK just fly to MEX via another destination? Say CPH or SVO. Or is it naive of me to think about that? I´m not an expert...
 
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Re: Updated: Judge Blocks EK's MEX Flight via BCN

Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:08 pm

Why doesn’t AM try to start LHR-DXB? I mean thats only fair.

EK subsidized competition isnt fair to AM
 
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Re: Updated: Judge Blocks EK's MEX Flight via BCN

Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:57 pm

santi319 wrote:
Why doesn’t AM try to start LHR-DXB? I mean thats only fair.

EK subsidized competition isnt fair to AM


No doubt a big issue here is the Catalan government. They have had for years this obsession to make BCN a long-haul hub (bear in mind the only long-haul carriers based there are Level and Norwegian, which are not the most elitist ones). Hence why Singapore Airlines flying SIN-BCN-GRU back in the day (which was dropped btw). Obviously LatAm is where MAD is ages ahead and some people cannot stand that :roll:

When Spanair was around, they tried to get Qatar Airways to open a long-haul hub in BCN and fly to LatAm. Now they fight back with this EK flight.

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