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sprxUSA wrote:AN is Advanced Air and seems doing Texas-Taos,NM ski service. They use King Air 350 for their EAS service into Silver City, NM; but doubt they would use that for this. Last year was flown with 328jet, iirc, but by some other provider.
Art at ISP wrote:So it looks like AA is cutting ISP to PHL to near nothing. 1-2 a day is not a good sign, unless they are replacing it with DCA or CLT...if they leave, no major service to ISP. Just WN and F9, and I would never ever fly F9....
jplatts wrote:Art at ISP wrote:So it looks like AA is cutting ISP to PHL to near nothing. 1-2 a day is not a good sign, unless they are replacing it with DCA or CLT...if they leave, no major service to ISP. Just WN and F9, and I would never ever fly F9....
AA adding ISP-ORD or ISP-DFW is a possibility as AA already serves both of these hubs nonstop from other destinations in the Northeast.
DL adding ISP-ATL, ISP-BOS, and ISP-DTW are also possibilities as DL already serves other secondary commercial airports such as BUR, MDW, DAL, HOU, LGB, SWF, PHF, OAK, ONT, SNA, SJC, HPN, and ORH.
AS LAS-SJC JAN 0>0.3[0.2]
AS SAN-SLC MAY 2>1.0[1.0] JUN 2>1.0[1.0] JUL 2>1.0[1.0]
*AS SJC-TUS FEB 0.3>0[1.0] MAR 0.5>0[1.0] APR 0.5>0[1.0] MAY 0.5>0[1.0] JUN 0.5>0[1.0] JUL 0.5>0[1.0]
AS LAS-SJC JAN 0>0.3[0.2]
AS SAN-SLC MAY 2>1.0[1.0] JUN 2>1.0[1.0] JUL 2>1.0[1.0]
*AS SJC-TUS FEB 0.3>0[1.0] MAR 0.5>0[1.0] APR 0.5>0[1.0] MAY 0.5>0[1.0] JUN 0.5>0[1.0] JUL 0.5>0[1.0]
LHUSA wrote:UA DEN-HNL JUN 1.0>1.9[1.0] JUL 1.0>2[1.0]
Nice to see DEN-HNL twice daily. Is this a first?
Aliqiout wrote:sprxUSA wrote:AN is Advanced Air and seems doing Texas-Taos,NM ski service. They use King Air 350 for their EAS service into Silver City, NM; but doubt they would use that for this. Last year was flown with 328jet, iirc, but by some other provider.
This is Taos Air operated by Advanced Air, on Dornier 328's
DEN1895 wrote:LHUSA wrote:UA DEN-HNL JUN 1.0>1.9[1.0] JUL 1.0>2[1.0]
Nice to see DEN-HNL twice daily. Is this a first?
I believe it is, this past summer was the first year of two 777s (HNL and OGG). They are still both showing in the schedule in addition to a new 757 on the HNL route earlier in the morning.
SANFan wrote:Interesting. I assume the SJC-Vegas flight is for the annual electronics show as that is not a regular route of AS.
Likewise, SJC-TUS last week showed a decrease in the route but it was still there at least; this week, it's gone completely...
RJNUT wrote:What is this?
AN AUS-TSM DEC 0>0.2[0] JAN 0>0.5[0] FEB 0>0.4[0] MAR 0>0.4[0]
AN DAL-TSM DEC 0>0.2[0] JAN 0>0.5[0] FEB 0>0.4[0] MAR 0>0.4[0]
AN HHR-SQL NOV 0>0.4[1.6]
AN OAK-SBA NOV 0>0.2[1.6]
Taos Air is dropping Ultimate Jet Charter for their sub-service and going with Advanced Air Charters I guess that means switch from FRJ Dornier Jet to a King Air from AUS and Dallas to Taos
peak86 wrote:Didn't take long for AS to respond on SEA-TPA...
And UA 2x daily on DEN-HNL next summer!
Ishrion wrote:jplatts wrote:Art at ISP wrote:So it looks like AA is cutting ISP to PHL to near nothing. 1-2 a day is not a good sign, unless they are replacing it with DCA or CLT...if they leave, no major service to ISP. Just WN and F9, and I would never ever fly F9....
AA adding ISP-ORD or ISP-DFW is a possibility as AA already serves both of these hubs nonstop from other destinations in the Northeast.
DL adding ISP-ATL, ISP-BOS, and ISP-DTW are also possibilities as DL already serves other secondary commercial airports such as BUR, MDW, DAL, HOU, LGB, SWF, PHF, OAK, ONT, SNA, SJC, HPN, and ORH.
I truthfully don’t understand everyone’s obsession over ISP. Why does AA have to add ISP from other hubs?
DFW-SYR isn’t even served, yet SYR has AA service from 4 different hubs in addition to BOS.
evank516 wrote:Ishrion wrote:jplatts wrote:
AA adding ISP-ORD or ISP-DFW is a possibility as AA already serves both of these hubs nonstop from other destinations in the Northeast.
DL adding ISP-ATL, ISP-BOS, and ISP-DTW are also possibilities as DL already serves other secondary commercial airports such as BUR, MDW, DAL, HOU, LGB, SWF, PHF, OAK, ONT, SNA, SJC, HPN, and ORH.
I truthfully don’t understand everyone’s obsession over ISP. Why does AA have to add ISP from other hubs?
DFW-SYR isn’t even served, yet SYR has AA service from 4 different hubs in addition to BOS.
Do you realize how densely populated Long Island is compared to the area surrounding Syracuse. There's no comparison.
jfklganyc wrote:The FAA and Port Authority need to step in and cease the excess slots from AA at JFK
This isn’t right any longer
Beyond the BS runway excuse
Other airlines want those slots and they are stifling competition
Just shed the slots, go down to 60 or so flights and call it a day
jfklganyc wrote:The FAA and Port Authority need to step in and cease the excess slots from AA at JFK
This isn’t right any longer
Beyond the BS runway excuse
Other airlines want those slots and they are stifling competition
Just shed the slots, go down to 60 or so flights and call it a day
Varsity1 wrote:jfklganyc wrote:The FAA and Port Authority need to step in and cease the excess slots from AA at JFK
This isn’t right any longer
Beyond the BS runway excuse
Other airlines want those slots and they are stifling competition
Just shed the slots, go down to 60 or so flights and call it a day
JFK really is handicapped on capacity right now. Any kind of weather event brings the airport into a halt.
maximairways wrote:Lots of UA ORD cuts?
UA ABE-ORD MAR 3>2[2]
UA ABQ-ORD MAR 1.9>1.1[1.1]
UA BDL-ORD MAR 4>2[4]
UA BOS-ORD MAR 8>7[6]
UA BTV-ORD MAR 4>2[2]
UA BUF-ORD MAR 4>2[3]
UA CMH-ORD MAR 8>6[7]
UA ORD-PDX MAR 4>3[3]
UA ORD-RAP MAR 0.9>0.1[0.0]
UA ORD-SMF MAR 3>2[1.9]
maximairways wrote:Lots of UA ORD cuts?
UA ABE-ORD MAR 3>2[2]
UA ABQ-ORD MAR 1.9>1.1[1.1]
UA BDL-ORD MAR 4>2[4]
UA BOS-ORD MAR 8>7[6]
UA BTV-ORD MAR 4>2[2]
UA BUF-ORD MAR 4>2[3]
UA CMH-ORD MAR 8>6[7]
UA ORD-PDX MAR 4>3[3]
UA ORD-RAP MAR 0.9>0.1[0.0]
UA ORD-SMF MAR 3>2[1.9]
jfklganyc wrote:The FAA and Port Authority need to step in and seize the excess slots from AA at JFK
This isn’t right any longer
Beyond the BS runway excuse
Other airlines want those slots and they are stifling competition
Just shed the slots, go down to 60 or so flights and call it a day
enilria wrote:AA BOS-DCA JAN 13>10[12] FEB 14>12[14]
AA BOS-JFK JAN 5>3[4] FEB 6>5[4]
AA BOS-LGA JAN 11>9[10]
AA BOS-ORD JAN 6>5[6]
AA BOS-PHL JAN 11>9[11]
*AA BWI-JFK JAN 4>1.0[1.0] FEB 5>3[1.0]
*AA CLE-JFK JAN 1.6>0[3] FEB 2>1.2[3]
AA CMH-JFK JAN 1.8>1.0[1.0] FEB 2>1.6[1.0]
AA DCA-JFK JAN 4>2[4]
*AA DFW-JFK JAN 4>1.4[3] FEB 4>3[3]
*AA JFK-LAS JAN 1.9>0.3[1.9] FEB 2>1.2[1.9]
AA JFK-LAX JAN 11>10[11]
AA JFK-MAD JAN 0.3>0.5[1.0]
AA JFK-ORD DEC 1.5>1.0[1.4]
AA JFK-ORF JAN 2>1.2[1.7] FEB 2>1.6[1.7]
*AA JFK-PHL JAN 4>0.3[1.0] FEB 5>3[1.0]
AA JFK-PHX JAN 6>5[4]
*AA JFK-PIT JAN 3>1.0[1.0] FEB 4>3[1.0]
*AA JFK-RDU JAN 4>2[4] FEB 4>3[4]
AA JFK-RIC JAN 3>2[0]
*AA JFK-SAN DEC 0.5>0[1.8] JAN 1.0>0.5[1.2]
AA JFK-SAT DEC 1.0>0.7[0]
AA JFK-SKB MAY 0>0.2[0.0]
AA JFK-YUL JAN 1.7>0.9[2] FEB 2>1.6[2]
*AA JFK-YYZ JAN 1.6>0[2] FEB 2>1.2[2]
AA LGA-MSP JAN 2>1.7[1.6]
AA LGA-ORD DEC 10>9[11] JAN 12>10[12]
AA LGA-ORF JAN 3>2[3]
AA LGA-PWM JAN 1.6>0.9[1.6]
AS RDU-SEA MAY 1.0>1.3[1.0] JUN 1.0>2[1.0] JUL 1.0>2[1.0]
AS SAN-SLC MAY 2>1.0[1.0] JUN 2>1.0[1.0] JUL 2>1.0[1.0]
AS SEA-TPA MAY 1.4>2[1.4] JUN 1.0>2[1.1] JUL 1.0>2[1.0]
*AS SJC-TUS FEB 0.3>0[1.0] MAR 0.5>0[1.0] APR 0.5>0[1.0] MAY 0.5>0[1.0] JUN 0.5>0[1.0] JUL 0.5>0[1.0]
DL JFK-SJU MAY 2>1.5[1.5] JUN 2>1.5[1.5] JUL 2>1.5[1.5]
DL LGB-SLC FEB 5>4[4]
WN LAS-LGB FEB 0.6>1.4[3]
*NK AUS-BNA MAR 0>0.2[0] APR 0>0.7[0]
*NK AUS-CUN MAR 0>0.5[0] APR 0>0.4[0]
*NK AUS-EWR MAR 0>0.2[0] APR 0>0.7[0]
*NK AUS-MCO MAR 1.0>1.5[1.0] APR 0.7>1.1[1.0]
*NK BNA-CUN MAR 0>0.5[0] APR 0>0.3[0]
*NK BNA-EWR MAR 0>0.6[0] APR 0>0.7[0]
*NK BNA-LAX MAR 0>0.6[0] APR 0>0.7[0]
*NK BNA-MCO MAR 1.0>1.5[0] APR 0.7>1.0[0]
*UA CLE-FLL MAY 1.0>0.2[0] JUN 1.0>0[0] JUL 1.0>0[0]
tphuang wrote:Really? This is pretty weak even to their hubs. JFK might not stick around. Other routes, we'd need to see if they add this back after MAX issues.
JFK cuts keep rolling forward
As I posted in the JetBlue thread, AA is down about 10% in yield relative to DL/B6 in the past 2 years and 7% in just the past year. That shows how much their pricing power in NYC has slid. The slide that started when they started cutting at JFK has really picked up the pace the past year. And their pricing power will keep sliding as important market like SEA/SAN/LAS have basically stopped flying in the past year. Not sure what's the point of keep YUL/YYZ/CLE/CMH/PIT/PHL around in their schedule if they continue to cut international flying and transcon. The idea that they can somehow wait 5 years for A321XLR to turn things around is extremely optimistic.
I do wonder how long is AA going to be able to keep these JFK slots. I'm sure they can still sell those for value. The MAX grounding is just an excuse. There is no reason for them to keep some of these routes going if they schedule them and then cut them for many months.
Also including LGA here, because the next phase of cuts will be there. Without the ff, those LGA slots are going to really hemorrage
tphuang wrote:Thanks enilriaenilria wrote:AA BOS-DCA JAN 13>10[12] FEB 14>12[14]
AA BOS-JFK JAN 5>3[4] FEB 6>5[4]
AA BOS-LGA JAN 11>9[10]
AA BOS-ORD JAN 6>5[6]
AA BOS-PHL JAN 11>9[11]
Really? This is pretty weak even to their hubs. JFK might not stick around. Other routes, we'd need to see if they add this back after MAX issues.
JFK cuts keep rolling forward*AA BWI-JFK JAN 4>1.0[1.0] FEB 5>3[1.0]
*AA CLE-JFK JAN 1.6>0[3] FEB 2>1.2[3]
AA CMH-JFK JAN 1.8>1.0[1.0] FEB 2>1.6[1.0]
AA DCA-JFK JAN 4>2[4]
*AA DFW-JFK JAN 4>1.4[3] FEB 4>3[3]
*AA JFK-LAS JAN 1.9>0.3[1.9] FEB 2>1.2[1.9]
AA JFK-LAX JAN 11>10[11]
AA JFK-MAD JAN 0.3>0.5[1.0]
AA JFK-ORD DEC 1.5>1.0[1.4]
AA JFK-ORF JAN 2>1.2[1.7] FEB 2>1.6[1.7]
*AA JFK-PHL JAN 4>0.3[1.0] FEB 5>3[1.0]
AA JFK-PHX JAN 6>5[4]
*AA JFK-PIT JAN 3>1.0[1.0] FEB 4>3[1.0]
*AA JFK-RDU JAN 4>2[4] FEB 4>3[4]
AA JFK-RIC JAN 3>2[0]
*AA JFK-SAN DEC 0.5>0[1.8] JAN 1.0>0.5[1.2]
AA JFK-SAT DEC 1.0>0.7[0]
AA JFK-SKB MAY 0>0.2[0.0]
AA JFK-YUL JAN 1.7>0.9[2] FEB 2>1.6[2]
*AA JFK-YYZ JAN 1.6>0[2] FEB 2>1.2[2]
AA LGA-MSP JAN 2>1.7[1.6]
AA LGA-ORD DEC 10>9[11] JAN 12>10[12]
AA LGA-ORF JAN 3>2[3]
AA LGA-PWM JAN 1.6>0.9[1.6]
As I posted in the JetBlue thread, AA is down about 10% in yield relative to DL/B6 in the past 2 years and 7% in just the past year. That shows how much their pricing power in NYC has slid. The slide that started when they started cutting at JFK has really picked up the pace the past year. And their pricing power will keep sliding as important market like SEA/SAN/LAS have basically stopped flying in the past year. Not sure what's the point of keep YUL/YYZ/CLE/CMH/PIT/PHL around in their schedule if they continue to cut international flying and transcon. The idea that they can somehow wait 5 years for A321XLR to turn things around is extremely optimistic.
I do wonder how long is AA going to be able to keep these JFK slots. I'm sure they can still sell those for value. The MAX grounding is just an excuse. There is no reason for them to keep some of these routes going if they schedule them and then cut them for many months.
Also including LGA here, because the next phase of cuts will be there. Without the ff, those LGA slots are going to really hemorrageAS RDU-SEA MAY 1.0>1.3[1.0] JUN 1.0>2[1.0] JUL 1.0>2[1.0]
AS SAN-SLC MAY 2>1.0[1.0] JUN 2>1.0[1.0] JUL 2>1.0[1.0]
AS SEA-TPA MAY 1.4>2[1.4] JUN 1.0>2[1.1] JUL 1.0>2[1.0]
*AS SJC-TUS FEB 0.3>0[1.0] MAR 0.5>0[1.0] APR 0.5>0[1.0] MAY 0.5>0[1.0] JUN 0.5>0[1.0] JUL 0.5>0[1.0]
That was a fast response. I presume the cuts are made to help re-allocate capacity to SEA.DL JFK-SJU MAY 2>1.5[1.5] JUN 2>1.5[1.5] JUL 2>1.5[1.5]
DL LGB-SLC FEB 5>4[4]
WN LAS-LGB FEB 0.6>1.4[3]
That's a pretty quick cut after they made an announcement on JFK-SJU. Are they giving up a LGB slot to WN?*NK AUS-BNA MAR 0>0.2[0] APR 0>0.7[0]
*NK AUS-CUN MAR 0>0.5[0] APR 0>0.4[0]
*NK AUS-EWR MAR 0>0.2[0] APR 0>0.7[0]
*NK AUS-MCO MAR 1.0>1.5[1.0] APR 0.7>1.1[1.0]
*NK BNA-CUN MAR 0>0.5[0] APR 0>0.3[0]
*NK BNA-EWR MAR 0>0.6[0] APR 0>0.7[0]
*NK BNA-LAX MAR 0>0.6[0] APR 0>0.7[0]
*NK BNA-MCO MAR 1.0>1.5[0] APR 0.7>1.0[0]
I understand NK has more growth than most airlines, but still seems to be strange they can keep adding this many routes without many cuts.*UA CLE-FLL MAY 1.0>0.2[0] JUN 1.0>0[0] JUL 1.0>0[0]
Given what I've seen their yield here and their lack of commitment to CLE, not a surprise they don't run it in summer time.
enilria wrote:AA DFW-SEA JAN 7>6[6]
Sancho99504 wrote:Really surprised that AA is cutting so much from SEA. No more JFK, which during the busy season was 2-3 daily, PHX is going down to 2 daily, which was 6-7 not too long ago. PHL, has 3-4 daily during busy season. The only AA hub that doesn't see a reduction is CLT and LAX. Wonder if DL and AS will backfill some of this, especially MIA/FLL and PHX?
Ishrion wrote:evank516 wrote:Ishrion wrote:
I truthfully don’t understand everyone’s obsession over ISP. Why does AA have to add ISP from other hubs?
DFW-SYR isn’t even served, yet SYR has AA service from 4 different hubs in addition to BOS.
Do you realize how densely populated Long Island is compared to the area surrounding Syracuse. There's no comparison.
Yet... American only serves it from PHL, which is now being reduced.
Both UA and DL don't even serve the airport. It's just Southwest/Frontier.
tphuang wrote:I do wonder how long is AA going to be able to keep these JFK slots. I'm sure they can still sell those for value. The MAX grounding is just an excuse. There is no reason for them to keep some of these routes going if they schedule them and then cut them for many months.
MSPNWA wrote:tphuang wrote:I do wonder how long is AA going to be able to keep these JFK slots. I'm sure they can still sell those for value. The MAX grounding is just an excuse. There is no reason for them to keep some of these routes going if they schedule them and then cut them for many months.
It's a legit reason because of the MAX. It may be a convenient reason to trim the weakest flights when forced to cut capacity due to loss of aircraft, but something has to give when dozens of aircraft are out of service. Do you really expect them to cut at DFW, ORD, MIA, PHL, CLT, LAX, etc. instead?
I would to like to see someone try to force AA to give up JFK slots when the have the MAX reasoning to fall back on. Good luck with that one.
MSPNWA wrote:tphuang wrote:I do wonder how long is AA going to be able to keep these JFK slots. I'm sure they can still sell those for value. The MAX grounding is just an excuse. There is no reason for them to keep some of these routes going if they schedule them and then cut them for many months.
It's a legit reason because of the MAX. It may be a convenient reason to trim the weakest flights when forced to cut capacity due to loss of aircraft, but something has to give when dozens of aircraft are out of service. Do you really expect them to cut at DFW, ORD, MIA, PHL, CLT, LAX, etc. instead?
I would to like to see someone try to force AA to give up JFK slots when the have the MAX reasoning to fall back on. Good luck with that one.
tphuang wrote:They got special exemption for the runway issue. All that has done is leading them to cut more flights and become even less competitive in NYC. They are not getting any more exemption so they better use the slots or lose them.
jplatts wrote:enilria wrote:AA DFW-SEA JAN 7>6[6]Sancho99504 wrote:Really surprised that AA is cutting so much from SEA. No more JFK, which during the busy season was 2-3 daily, PHX is going down to 2 daily, which was 6-7 not too long ago. PHL, has 3-4 daily during busy season. The only AA hub that doesn't see a reduction is CLT and LAX. Wonder if DL and AS will backfill some of this, especially MIA/FLL and PHX?
In addition to AA reducing frequencies on DFW-SEA, WN is also reducing DAL-SEA nonstop service from year-round to seasonal starting in January 2020.
DL re-adding DFW-SEA nonstop service is a possibility as DFW is one of the top destinations that DL doesn't currently serve nonstop from its SEA hub. Other individuals have also said in the Airliners.net forums that DL still has a FF base in the DFW area, even though DFW had been dehubbed by DL almost 15 years ago.