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American Airlines Celebrates 30 Years of Leadership in Miami

Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:04 pm

For 30 years Miami has been a hub for American Airlines.
In October 1989, American operated just 19 flights a day to six cities from MIA. Today, Miami’s hometown carrier operates more than 350 flights a day to nearly 130 destinations from the hub — American’s largest international gateway— including service to more than 70 cities across Latin America and the Caribbean. American’s Cargo operation has also grown substantially. In 1989, American moved 39.5 million pounds of mail and freight. Today, it moves nearly 380 million pounds annually.


A $21 Billion Economic Impact
American is a critically important economic engine for Miami and South Florida. What started out as a small hub in 1989 with fewer than 300 employees has grown to be the third-largest private employer in Miami-Dade County with more than 13,500 team members and an annual payroll exceeding $1.8 billion.

American’s economic impact also goes far beyond the team members that care for our customers. More than 162,000 additional jobs are created through businesses that support our MIA operations, meaning that American’s Miami hub contributes more than $21 billion annually to South Florida’s economy.


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Congrats to MIA and American on 30 years. Here's to many more.

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Re: American Airlines Celebrates 30 Years of Leadership in Miami

Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:09 pm

They also announced an expanded partnership with the Miami HEAT today.
 
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Re: American Airlines Celebrates 30 Years of Leadership in Miami

Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:27 pm

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They also announced an expanded partnership with the Miami HEAT today.

More on that here: http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... oom_Alerts
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Re: American Airlines Celebrates 30 Years of Leadership in Miami

Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:15 pm

So that's what was going at the anger with the Heat. AA-MIA has sure came a long way. The stats that were talked about were impressive even with some of the SA routs on hold for now.
Looking forward to the 4th continent.
 
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Re: American Airlines Celebrates 30 Years of Leadership in Miami

Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:38 pm

Indeed. Talks are ongoing to add a fourth Continent. Most likely Africa.
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:35 am

Miami wrote:
Indeed. Talks are ongoing to add a fourth Continent. Most likely Africa.

It’d be interesting to see where they decide to go if they do choose Africa. Do they aim for a JV with AT and then start CMN (or do they launch it up against AT regardless), do they try for JNB or elsewhere?
 
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Re: American Airlines Celebrates 30 Years of Leadership in Miami

Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:38 am

So back in 1989 when Eastern was still in business, where was American flying to out of MIA with 19 flights a day? DFW for sure, ORD, RDU, BNA, SJU, not sure if they were already flying nonstop to JFK back then. It was mostly the 727 they were flying out of MIA, to the hubs I mention they had at that time, and maybe the A300 which was brand new then.
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Re: American Airlines Celebrates 30 Years of Leadership in Miami

Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:45 am

Yes they have the leadership there, but it's not as if they've had to fight hard for it when two of the local main players have gone belly up in just two years.
 
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American Airlines Celebrates 30 Years of Leadership in Miami

Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:47 am

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Miami wrote:
Indeed. Talks are ongoing to add a fourth Continent. Most likely Africa.

It’d be interesting to see where they decide to go if they do choose Africa. Do they aim for a JV with AT and then start CMN (or do they launch it up against AT regardless), do they try for JNB or elsewhere?


If they are trying to partner with AT it does not seem logical to add a MIA-CMN competing against them. The airline would want to see how PHL-CMN performs and develop the relationship with AT from there.


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Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:47 am

American 767 wrote:
So back in 1989 when Eastern was still in business, where was American flying to out of MIA with 19 flights a day? DFW for sure, ORD, RDU, BNA, SJU, not sure if they were already flying nonstop to JFK back then. It was mostly the 727 they were flying out of MIA, to the hubs I mention they had at that time, and maybe the A300 which was brand new then.


According to the excellent website departedflights.com:

AMERICAN AIRLINES
Aircraft Operated:
Airbus A300, Boeing 727-200, McDonnell Douglas DC-10
Destinations Served:
Boston (MA), Chicago O'Hare (IL), Dallas/Fort Worth (TX), Kingston (Jamaica), Los Angeles (CA),
Montego Bay (Jamaica), Nashville (TN), New Orleans (LA), New York LaGuardia (NY), Phildelphia (PA),
Port au Prince (Haiti), Puerto Plata (Dominican Republic), Raleigh/Durham (NC), San Juan (PR),
Santo Domingo (Dominican Republic), Washington National (DC)
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:00 am

Way to pat yourself on the back, AA. No doubt Dougie is celebrating with a kegger or twelve.
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:24 am

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Way to pat yourself on the back, AA. No doubt Dougie is celebrating with a kegger or twelve.


And an UBER!
 
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Re: American Airlines Celebrates 30 Years of Leadership in Miami

Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:19 pm

American 767 wrote:

So back in 1989 when Eastern was still in business, where was American flying to out of MIA with 19 flights a day? DFW for sure, ORD, RDU, BNA, SJU, not sure if they were already flying nonstop to JFK back then. It was mostly the 727 they were flying out of MIA, to the hubs I mention they had at that time, and maybe the A300 which was brand new then.


As N62NA showed us above, AA was already positioning themselves in MIA for the possible/probable demise of Eastern. In the excellent book "Hard Landing" by Thomas Petzinger, JR., the AA team in HQ were doing computer analysis on what markets would be hardest hit by an EA collapse. ATL was covered by DL, but MIA was wide open. There were some unused international route authorities ex-MIA so AA opened a base there and began preparing, just in case. Turned out to be a genius move, along with TWA's LHR authority and the inevitable purchase of EA's Latin American routes.

Some would argue those were the last great moves by AA, but that's for another thread.
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:19 pm

Great for AA, now that you fly to so any places it's times to fly to another continent, Johannesburg and Tokyo would be two great additions. Flying to London, Buenos Aires and Rio has been done for decades, time for AA to do something in Miami that's never been done. With planes like the 787-9 capable of flying for 17 hours, there is no excuse for not doing Japan. 20 years ago AA only flew to NRT from DFW and now they fly to Peking, Shanghai. Seoul and Hong Kong, it's time for some of the Asian magic to arrive in Miami.
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:21 pm

Soon to be replaced by Delta/LATAM JV
 
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Re: American Airlines Celebrates 30 Years of Leadership in Miami

Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:54 pm

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Soon to be replaced by Delta/LATAM JV


I'll have what you're having. I need a good buzz.
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Re: American Airlines Celebrates 30 Years of Leadership in Miami

Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:23 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
American 767 wrote:

So back in 1989 when Eastern was still in business, where was American flying to out of MIA with 19 flights a day? DFW for sure, ORD, RDU, BNA, SJU, not sure if they were already flying nonstop to JFK back then. It was mostly the 727 they were flying out of MIA, to the hubs I mention they had at that time, and maybe the A300 which was brand new then.


As N62NA showed us above, AA was already positioning themselves in MIA for the possible/probable demise of Eastern. In the excellent book "Hard Landing" by Thomas Petzinger, JR., the AA team in HQ were doing computer analysis on what markets would be hardest hit by an EA collapse. ATL was covered by DL, but MIA was wide open. There were some unused international route authorities ex-MIA so AA opened a base there and began preparing, just in case. Turned out to be a genius move, along with TWA's LHR authority and the inevitable purchase of EA's Latin American routes.

Some would argue those were the last great moves by AA, but that's for another thread.


Yep, with an imminent EA collapse, MIA was certainly a "target-rich" environment, so moving in there and buying EA's LatAm network was def a brilliant move by AA. Isn't it ironic that the EA LatAm network AA bought was largely the former BN LatAm network. Hard to believe it's been 30yrs. Wow.
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:38 pm

Eastern only flew to Latin America( Braniff system) for about 10 years and they for years didn't have the "right" airplanes. Flying to Buenos Aires with L-1011's with domestic first class was making one-stop was not competitive. Eastern did finally by 3 Dc-10-30 for a Miami to London flight that lasted less than one year and used those planes for nonstops to EZE.
 
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Re: American Airlines Celebrates 30 Years of Leadership in Miami

Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:47 pm

I don’t understand the case for a Tokyo flight. Not every hub needs a Tokyo flight. DFW can handle most of the relevant connections to NRT/HND that MIA would. As to Africa, with the right aircraft some destinations would make sense.


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Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:47 pm

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DarthLobster wrote:
Way to pat yourself on the back, AA. No doubt Dougie is celebrating with a kegger or twelve.


And an UBER!


Well, hopefully an Uber!
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:02 pm

With the LATAM coup, will AA regress back to 19 RJ’s a day and DL go to 350 flights out of MIA?
 
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With the LATAM coup, will AA regress back to 19 RJ’s a day and DL go to 350 flights out of MIA?


One can only dream!
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:14 pm

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With the LATAM coup, will AA regress back to 19 RJ’s a day and DL go to 350 flights out of MIA?


Almost certainly.
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:24 pm

Miami-Dade should be kissing AA's Texas behind, Miami was a roach infested mess with the two hub airlines being financial basket cases when AA arrived. AA, as one AA executive was quoted years ago, " is the best thing to happen to MIA since the Nina, the Pinta and the Santa Maria." AA financed a huge terminal expansion and modernization, much needed, which took much longer due to local politics. Everything in Miami is a political case study in how NOT to do it.

Miami Dade could learn a thing or two as to how terminals are built at DFW airport.
 
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Re: American Airlines Celebrates 30 Years of Leadership in Miami

Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:32 pm

invertir wrote:
Adipocere wrote:
With the LATAM coup, will AA regress back to 19 RJ’s a day and DL go to 350 flights out of MIA?


One can only dream!


Or have a bad nightmare! It would cost how many billions and maybe bankrupt both AA and DL. Some US hubs I see as practically invulnerable - MIA, ATL, CLT, DFW, SFO, MSP, DTW, EWR.
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:33 pm

spinotter wrote:
invertir wrote:
Adipocere wrote:
With the LATAM coup, will AA regress back to 19 RJ’s a day and DL go to 350 flights out of MIA?


One can only dream!


Or have a bad nightmare! It would cost how many billions and maybe bankrupt both AA and DL. Some US hubs I see as practically invulnerable - MIA, ATL, CLT, DFW, SFO, MSP, DTW, EWR.


In what world is CLT invulnerable?
 
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Re: American Airlines Celebrates 30 Years of Leadership in Miami

Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:16 am

Nice job celebrating the demise of Pan Am and Eastern Air, AA!
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Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:37 am

DarthLobster wrote:
Way to pat yourself on the back, AA. No doubt Dougie is celebrating with a kegger or twelve.


Yeah it's a shame. The word leadership used to have meaning. That word hasn't applied to AA in decades.
 
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Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:36 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
DarthLobster wrote:
Way to pat yourself on the back, AA. No doubt Dougie is celebrating with a kegger or twelve.


Yeah it's a shame. The word leadership used to have meaning. That word hasn't applied to AA in decades.


Never was a fan of Crandall, but he was Winston Churchill compared to this current power-hungry booze clown.
 
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Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:51 am

AA moving into MIA was a brilliant strategic move


Still behind UA’s acquisition of PAA’s Pacific route system and merging with Continental
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Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:59 am

Max Q wrote:
AA moving into MIA was a brilliant strategic move


Still behind UA’s acquisition of PAA’s Pacific route system and merging with Continental



AA not moving into ATL following EA's demise though may have been a mistake. Same can be said for NW not taking that opportunity.

AA's MIA move did certainly force PA's hand when they could least afford it. In late 1989 and throughout 1990 they ramped up MIA, resumed FLL service and began throwing darts at various leisure points in the Caribbean to start new flights when they really could not afford it. PA's inevitable demise, in retrospect was speed up by AA's move into MIA. Then again PA under Ed Acker had no real reason to scale down MIA b/q 1982 and 1984 while cutting all the point-to-point domestic flying inherited from NA in FLL and PBI (NA wasn't much smaller than EA or DL at FLL - PA inherited that network and drew it down completely within three years). They had a south Florida anchor and Air Florida as well as People's Express would eventually run their course, but lack of patience and consistency had already doomed PA in south Florida.
 
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Re: American Airlines Celebrates 30 Years of Leadership in Miami

Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:25 am

Couple of Questions, where does MIA rank in AA's hubs in the US as in 2nd, 3rd, etc and could AA have merged or brought out National Airlines back in the day instead of PA?
 
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Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:04 am

National was bought by PA because they needed domestic feed not because they were attractive.

It could be argued that they were the least attractive option with their East Coast, leisure based system.

AA didnt have that problem. They were all domestic.

Much easier to add token international routes to a domestic system than vice versa.

AA didnt need National
 
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Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:14 am

invertir wrote:
Adipocere wrote:
With the LATAM coup, will AA regress back to 19 RJ’s a day and DL go to 350 flights out of MIA?


One can only dream!


Listen, with a very good airline (Delta) coming in to expand at MIA, it gives people a choice now. If most people had to choose between DL and AA, I think we all know which airline they would choose. I wouldn't be surprised if DL sees an opportunity to encroach on some of that market share AA has at MIA.
 
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Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:57 am

chunhimlai wrote:
Soon to be replaced by Delta/LATAM JV


You're dreaming inside of a dreams dream! MIA is going to draaaaag down DL. AA will force DL to lose money on every new route out of there. Stay tuned.
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Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:10 am

HP69 wrote:
spinotter wrote:
invertir wrote:

One can only dream!


Or have a bad nightmare! It would cost how many billions and maybe bankrupt both AA and DL. Some US hubs I see as practically invulnerable - MIA, ATL, CLT, DFW, SFO, MSP, DTW, EWR.


In what world is CLT invulnerable?


This one. MIA is geographically flawed as a domestic connector because it's too far south. PHL can never get the incremental capacity - or airspace. Check FSDan's work for flight counts of major hubs; compare it to other hubs, including those by other carriers. AA @CLT isn't going anywhere.

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Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:59 pm

N62NA wrote:
American 767 wrote:
So back in 1989 when Eastern was still in business, where was American flying to out of MIA with 19 flights a day? DFW for sure, ORD, RDU, BNA, SJU, not sure if they were already flying nonstop to JFK back then. It was mostly the 727 they were flying out of MIA, to the hubs I mention they had at that time, and maybe the A300 which was brand new then.


According to the excellent website departedflights.com:

AMERICAN AIRLINES
Aircraft Operated:
Airbus A300, Boeing 727-200, McDonnell Douglas DC-10
Destinations Served:
Boston (MA), Chicago O'Hare (IL), Dallas/Fort Worth (TX), Kingston (Jamaica), Los Angeles (CA),
Montego Bay (Jamaica), Nashville (TN), New Orleans (LA), New York LaGuardia (NY), Phildelphia (PA),
Port au Prince (Haiti), Puerto Plata (Dominican Republic), Raleigh/Durham (NC), San Juan (PR),
Santo Domingo (Dominican Republic), Washington National (DC)


They flew daily to St. Thomas as well and I know in 1988 they flew a DC-10 to St. Croix. Not sure about 1989.
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Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:42 pm

MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:
Max Q wrote:
AA moving into MIA was a brilliant strategic move


Still behind UA’s acquisition of PAA’s Pacific route system and merging with Continental



AA not moving into ATL following EA's demise though may have been a mistake. Same can be said for NW not taking that opportunity.

AA's MIA move did certainly force PA's hand when they could least afford it. In late 1989 and throughout 1990 they ramped up MIA, resumed FLL service and began throwing darts at various leisure points in the Caribbean to start new flights when they really could not afford it. PA's inevitable demise, in retrospect was speed up by AA's move into MIA. Then again PA under Ed Acker had no real reason to scale down MIA b/q 1982 and 1984 while cutting all the point-to-point domestic flying inherited from NA in FLL and PBI (NA wasn't much smaller than EA or DL at FLL - PA inherited that network and drew it down completely within three years). They had a south Florida anchor and Air Florida as well as People's Express would eventually run their course, but lack of patience and consistency had already doomed PA in south Florida.


They didn't have to, TWA moved into ATL instead after EA folded using their gates and apparently it was a huge failure of a focus city.

AA starting out in Miami was definitely interesting because they already had proper feed for the Caribbean via the RDU and SJU hubs and went against PA and EA with their own hubs at MIA in 1989. No idea what the intent for AA at first, does anybody know the story as to what made AA move in despite legacy competition?

It's also worth noting that even after PA and EA went belly up, AA as MIA's main hub tenant had to deal with the fallout from Hurricane Andrew in 1992 which crippled the region economically as well for a while. AA was building MIA up in favor of phasing out BNA and RDU in 1995-1996.
 
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Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:27 pm

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Miami-Dade should be kissing AA's Texas behind, Miami was a roach infested mess with the two hub airlines being financial basket cases when AA arrived. AA, as one AA executive was quoted years ago, " is the best thing to happen to MIA since the Nina, the Pinta and the Santa Maria." AA financed a huge terminal expansion and modernization, much needed, which took much longer due to local politics. Everything in Miami is a political case study in how NOT to do it.

Miami Dade could learn a thing or two as to how terminals are built at DFW airport.


You mean like how they let AA run their own terminal project until they mismanaged it so badly the county had to take over so it could finally be finished?

MIA needs a second hub carrier so one single airline isn’t calling all the shots. I don’t think Delta will build MIA up to a full fledged hub, but it would be nice for AA to actually have to compete. No more ancient equipment on Latin American flights because they’re in bed with the competition (LATAM), for example.
 
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Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:48 pm

From the DOT's U.S. International and Air Freight Statistics reports, 12 months ended 2000 and 2018, respectively:

MIA, 15.8 million international passengers, 20.3 million passengers

LAX, 16.7 million, 25.7 million

JFK, 17.7 million, 33.1 million

https://www.transportation.gov/policy/a ... ics-report
 
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Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:49 pm

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You mean like how they let AA run their own terminal project until they mismanaged it so badly the county had to take over so it could finally be finished?

MIA needs a second hub carrier so one single airline isn’t calling all the shots. I don’t think Delta will build MIA up to a full fledged hub, but it would be nice for AA to actually have to compete. No more ancient equipment on Latin American flights because they’re in bed with the competition (LATAM), for example.


Thank you. JFK777 with some major revisionist history. American Airlines has its hands out every time there is an opportunity, meanwhile it rapes and pillages the market unabated and protected due to its influence at County Hall.
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Re: American Airlines Celebrates 30 Years of Leadership in Miami

Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:05 pm

jumbojet wrote:
invertir wrote:
Adipocere wrote:
With the LATAM coup, will AA regress back to 19 RJ’s a day and DL go to 350 flights out of MIA?


One can only dream!


Listen, with a very good airline (Delta) coming in to expand at MIA, it gives people a choice now. If most people had to choose between DL and AA, I think we all know which airline they would choose. I wouldn't be surprised if DL sees an opportunity to encroach on some of that market share AA has at MIA.


Oh, didn’t know loyalty was so simple! Makes me wonder why a ‘very good’ airline like DL has not pushed AS out of SEA or AA out of LAX? If we were to go by your logic, I would also highly recommend that DL enroach on AA’s market share at DFW and ORD instead of opening focus cities all over the US; because that seems like a very straightforward way to make piles of cash.
 
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Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:07 am

mia wrote:
OB1504 wrote:

You mean like how they let AA run their own terminal project until they mismanaged it so badly the county had to take over so it could finally be finished?

MIA needs a second hub carrier so one single airline isn’t calling all the shots. I don’t think Delta will build MIA up to a full fledged hub, but it would be nice for AA to actually have to compete. No more ancient equipment on Latin American flights because they’re in bed with the competition (LATAM), for example.


Thank you. JFK777 with some major revisionist history. American Airlines has its hands out every time there is an opportunity, meanwhile it rapes and pillages the market unabated and protected due to its influence at County Hall.


AA always takes advantage of the situation, why do you think Braniff went out of business. AA is the dominant airline in many of their hubs. Current management has made a mess of Chicago though and is ruining JFK. More needs to happen to Asia, AA didn't take advantage of the Haneda possibilities recently offered by the DOT.
 
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Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:26 am

jumbojet wrote:
Listen, with a very good airline (Delta) coming in to expand at MIA, it gives people a choice now. If most people had to choose between DL and AA, I think we all know which airline they would choose. I wouldn't be surprised if DL sees an opportunity to encroach on some of that market share AA has at MIA.


I wouldn't pick DL over AA at MIA. AA offers (and will continue to offer) far more destinations nonstop than DL ever would be able to.
 
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Re: American Airlines Celebrates 30 Years of Leadership in Miami

Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:15 am

Just my opinion, but DL is going to absolutely get their ass handed to them at MIA if they try and take on AA.
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Re: American Airlines Celebrates 30 Years of Leadership in Miami

Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:13 pm

N62NA wrote:
jumbojet wrote:
Listen, with a very good airline (Delta) coming in to expand at MIA, it gives people a choice now. If most people had to choose between DL and AA, I think we all know which airline they would choose. I wouldn't be surprised if DL sees an opportunity to encroach on some of that market share AA has at MIA.


I wouldn't pick DL over AA at MIA. AA offers (and will continue to offer) far more destinations nonstop than DL ever would be able to.


That’s great if you need to go everywhere AA flies nonstop. Most people don’t have to go to all 70 cities and if Delta and LATAM can get them to enough places comfortably and reliably, I can absolutely see people switching carriers.

Delta’s already had a strong FF base in MIA going back twice as long as the AA hub.

EA CO AS wrote:
Just my opinion, but DL is going to absolutely get their ass handed to them at MIA if they try and take on AA.


Frontier got their ass handed to them when they tried building up MIA two years ago but they’re trying it again right now. With AA’s current operational and labor issues it might be now or never to try to get a foot in the door.
 
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Re: American Airlines Celebrates 30 Years of Leadership in Miami

Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:59 pm

RE: Congrats to AA on 30 years. Remembering the first flight from Dallas on Concourse G.

True Eastern, Air Florida, Braniff, National and Pan Am are gone. But Delta is still there... never left.

Delta is not "coming in" to MIA to challenge AA over LATAM stock purchase/joint venture.

DL has been in MIA 75 years!!!! No carrier there longer. Huge book of long time Skymiles FF members in MIA. They'll be quite happy running Concourses H and J with their JV and Skyteam members. LATAM is already there with Delta, Virgin, Aeromexico, Air France/KLM, GOL and Aerolineas Argentinas.

HJ "South Terminal" is spacious with nice stores, lounges and restaurants. The Customs in the only 24 hour FIS/Customs facility at MIA.

Not a big hub but certainly nice operation that will only get better. I would not sell it short.

The other H and J carriers will be destined to move to E and F.

Don't think AA is too worried. They'll be here another 30 years.
 
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Re: American Airlines Celebrates 30 Years of Leadership in Miami

Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:01 pm

The interesting part of the Latam/Delta JV is not what happens in Miami but in Atlanta or traditional Delta hubs. Will Latam fly to Detroit is my question? MSP and SLC are unlikely Latam destinations. In Miami Latam already operates a full schedule to many cities. AA will be fine, they can expand to many more regional Brazilian cities when the A321neoLR arrives. MIA is always an interesting spicy Latin stew, what il it smell of next ?
 
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Re: American Airlines Celebrates 30 Years of Leadership in Miami

Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:28 pm

jfk777 wrote:
The interesting part of the Latam/Delta JV is not what happens in Miami but in Atlanta or traditional Delta hubs. Will Latam fly to Detroit is my question? MSP and SLC are unlikely Latam destinations. In Miami Latam already operates a full schedule to many cities. AA will be fine, they can expand to many more regional Brazilian cities when the A321neoLR arrives. MIA is always an interesting spicy Latin stew, what il it smell of next ?


LATAM never flew to Dallas or Chicago. Why would they fly to Detroit?!?
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Re: American Airlines Celebrates 30 Years of Leadership in Miami

Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:29 pm

jfk777 wrote:
Will Latam fly to Detroit is my question?


I doubt it. Delta's DTW-GRU less-than-daily non-stop didn't survive the downsizing of Brazil ops by GM, Ford, and FCA. I don't see how the LATAM connectivity out of GRU is so superior to Gol's to change the fortunes.

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