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OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:06 pm

FAQ

AS OF JULY 2018 THERE ARE CHANGES TO THE FORMAT OF THIS REPORT...SEE BELOW

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...prior year departures are now shown in brackets e.g. [0].

THE SCHEDULES SHOWN HERE CHANGE AFTER YOU POST???
-To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often---Winston Churchill. This is data the carriers filed at the point in time it was captured. It's changed since then. You are just going to have to live with it.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5[4] JAN 4>5[4]
XXX Departure IATA code, YYY Arrival IATA code, Month, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of last week, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of this week, in brackets is the number of Average Departures/Day over the month that were scheduled one year earlier. So, it means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. It also means that there were 4 roundtrips the prior year in each month. No other months were changed. I average two directions.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
NEW CHANGE-Sometimes airlines do not load their schedules for the entire 330 day standard sales window. Southwest and many LCCs load their schedules for as little as 5 months into the future. When these flight are extended into a new sales month, it becomes a "schedule change". Previously, I have manually deleted these in many cases and replaced them with a Year-Over-Year compare. Effective immediately, this will now change. When a flight is loaded from 0 departures X departures, where X was the same the prior year, the record will not be shown. For example, if Delta loaded ATL-EGE MAR 0>1(1), it would not be shown because this additional flight does not represent a real year-over-year addition. Similarly, if B6 extended their schedule a record like this ATL-BOS JUL 0>4(4) would not be shown. It will be shown if the flight frequency changed from the prior year. So B6 ATL-BOS JUL 0>3(4) would be shown. If a partial month was loaded in a core schedule that became a full schedule month, those changes may be shown under this logic. For example, WN BNA-SEA 0.3>2(2). Because only a fraction of the month was previously loaded for sale, these changes will not be filtered out. I may, however, manually remove them to declutter.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month. The following criteria are used to show a change: 1) The change must be at least 6 roundtrips per month with no exceptions, 2) changes of at least 6/week are always shown, 3) routes that are added or dropped are shown subject to the change minimum, and 4) in all other cases routes must change by 20% to be shown. For example, if a route changed from 21/week to 18/week it would not be shown because the change is -14.3%. This is done to filter minor changes that occur in large numbers.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. If the route has more than 2 daily flights, departures are rounded, but in cases of less than 2 departures per day a fraction is shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
Seats are not shown. That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard or overlapping schedule periods that see the same flight number in two places at once. These cause flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

4W CIK-FYU APR 0>0.5[0.4] MAY 0>0.4[0.5] JUL 0>0.5[0.4]
4W FAI-FYU JAN 0>1.0[0.9] FEB 0>0.8[0.9] APR 0>0.9[0.8] MAY 0>1.4[1.5] JUL 0>2.0[1.8]
4W FAI-TAL APR 0>0.5[0.4] MAY 0>0.4[0.5] JUL 0>0.5[0.4]

7H AKN-ANC JUN 1.0>5[5] JUL 1.0>6[6]
7H AKN-DLG JUN 1.0>0.1[0.1] JUL 1.0>0[0]
7H ANC-CDB JUN 0.4>0.8[0.9]
7H ANC-DLG JUN 2>3[3] JUL 2>3[3]
7H ANC-SDP JUN 0.4>0.7[0.8]
7H CDB-SDP JUN 0.4>0.2[0.1]

8V AET-BTT NOV 0.9>0.5[0.9] DEC 0.9>0.5[0.8] JAN 0.9>0.5[0.9] FEB 0.8>0.5[0.9] MAR 0.9>0.5[0.8] APR 0.9>0.5[0.9] MAY 0.8>0.5[0.9]
8V ARC-FAI JUN 0>0.7[0]
8V BTT-FAI NOV 0.9>0.5[0.9] DEC 0.9>0.5[0.8] JAN 0.9>0.5[0.9] FEB 0.8>0.5[0.9] MAR 0.9>0.5[0.8] APR 0.9>0.5[0.9] MAY 0.8>0.5[0.9]
8V FAI-GAL NOV 1.7>2[1.7] DEC 1.7>2[1.7] JAN 1.7>2[1.7] FEB 1.7>2[1.7] MAR 1.7>2[1.7] APR 1.7>2[1.7] MAY 1.7>2[1.7] JUN 1.7>2[1.7] JUL 1.7>2[1.7]
8V GAL-KAL NOV 0.5>0.8[0.5] DEC 0.5>0.9[0.5] JAN 0.5>0.9[0.5] FEB 0.5>0.8[0.5] MAR 0.5>0.9[0.5] APR 0.5>0.9[0.5] MAY 0.5>0.8[0.5] JUN 0.5>0.9[0.5] JUL 0.5>0.9[0.5]
8V GAL-NUL NOV 0.9>1.2[0.9] DEC 0.9>1.2[0.8] JAN 0.9>1.2[0.9] FEB 0.8>1.2[0.9] MAR 0.9>1.2[0.8] APR 0.9>1.2[0.9] MAY 0.8>1.2[0.9] JUN 0.9>1.2[0.8] JUL 0.9>1.2[0.9]
8V KAL-NUL NOV 0.4>0[0.4] DEC 0.4>0[0.3] JAN 0.4>0[0.4] FEB 0.3>0[0.4] MAR 0.4>0[0.3] APR 0.4>0[0.4] MAY 0.3>0[0.4] JUN 0.4>0[0.3] JUL 0.4>0[0.4]

AA CLT-HHH MAR 3>4[3] APR 3>4[3] MAY 3>4[3] JUN 3>4[3] JUL 3>4[3]
AA CUN-JFK FEB 3>2[2] MAR 3>1.9[3]
AA DCA-EYW MAR 1.0>1.3[1.0]
AA DCA-RSW MAR 1.0>1.3[2]
AA DFW-EGE APR 0.5>1.3[0.1] MAY 0>1.0[0]
AA EWR-ORD FEB 5>4[4] MAR 6>4[4]
AA FPO-MIA NOV 1.0>0[2] DEC 1.0>0.5[2]
AA GEO-MIA MAR 0.6>1.0[0.6] APR 0.6>1.0[0.6]
AA JFK-LAS JAN 0.3>0.5[1.9]
AA MGA-MIA APR 3>1.9[3] MAY 3>1.7[1.7]
AA MHH-MIA NOV 0.9>0[0.9] DEC 1.0>0.5[1.0]
AA MIA-ORD MAR 9>10[10]
AA MIA-SAP APR 2>1.0[2.0] MAY 2>1.0[1.9]
AA MIA-TGU MAY 2>1.0[1.7]
AA MSP-PHX MAR 4>5[4]
AA ORD-RAP MAY 0>0.8[1.0] JUN 0>1.9[1.8] JUL 0>2[2.0]

AC LAX-YYC DEC 1.9>1.4[1.9]

AF MIA-PTP APR 0>0.3[0.1]

AS BOI-GEG APR 2>3[2] MAY 2>3[2]
AS BOS-SEA APR 3>2[3]
AS BWI-SFO MAR 0.4>0[0.8] APR 0.9>0.3[0.9]
AS DFW-SEA APR 3>2[3] MAY 3>2[3] JUN 4>3[4] JUL 4>3[4]
AS EUG-SEA APR 4>5[4]
AS OGG-SAN MAY 1.0>1.4[1.0] JUN 1.0>2[1.0] JUL 1.0>2[1.0]
AS OMA-PDX MAY 0.7>0.3[0.5]
AS PDX-TUS MAY 1.5>0.6[1.0]
AS PHL-SFO APR 0.3>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0.4[1.0]
AS PVR-SEA MAY 0.1>0.6[0.2]
AS RNO-SEA MAR 4>5[4] APR 4>5[4]
AS SEA-STL MAR 1.8>1.0[1.4] APR 2>1.0[2] MAY 2>1.3[2]

AV BOG-MIA APR 3>4[4] MAY 3>4[3] JUN 3>4[3] JUL 3>4[4]

B6 BOS-FLL DEC 8>7[6]
B6 BOS-JFK DEC 6>5[6]
B6 BOS-MCO FEB 8>9[7] MAR 8>9[7] APR 8>9[7]
B6 BOS-RIC DEC 4>3[3]
B6 EWR-MCO DEC 7>8[7]
B6 EWR-STI DEC 1.0>1.8[1.0]
I get the reputation damage PUJ has received, but why drop just for Spring Break? Isn't that super-peak?
*B6 FLL-PUJ FEB 0.8>0.2[1.0] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0.1[1.0]
B6 FLL-SFO JAN 2.0>2[2]
B6 JFK-STI DEC 7>6[5]

BA LHR-MIA DEC 3>2[3] JAN 3>2[3] FEB 3>2[3] MAR 3>2[3]

DE FRA-MSP MAY 0.0>0.2[0.0] JUN 0.5>0.7[0.3]

DL ATL-BUR JAN 1.7>1.0[0] FEB 1.7>1.0[0] MAR 1.9>1.0[0]
Hurricane related I'm sure
**DL ATL-MHH DEC 0.7>0[0.6] JAN 0.9>0[0.8] FEB 1.0>0[1.0] MAR 1.1>0[1.2] APR 1.1>0[1.1] MAY 1.2>0[1.1] JUN 1.1>0[1.2] JUL 1.1>0[1.1]
DL AUS-DTW FEB 4>3[3]
DL BOS-JAX JAN 2>1.8[1.7] FEB 2>1.8[1.8]
DL BOS-PBI JAN 1.9>1.1[1.0] FEB 1.8>1.4[1.0]
DL BOS-RSW JAN 1.9>1.2[1.0]
DL DTW-SJC JAN 1.2>0.8[0.7] FEB 1.2>0.8[0.7] MAR 1.4>1.0[0.7] APR 1.4>1.0[0.7] MAY 1.5>1.0[0.7]
DL MCO-SEA JUN 1.3>1.0[1.0] JUL 1.4>1.0[1.0]
DL PSP-SEA JAN 1.6>1.2[1.0] FEB 1.6>1.2[1.0]
DL SEA-TUS JAN 1.5>1.1[1.0] FEB 1.6>1.2[1.0]

EW DUS-JFK APR 0.7>0.0[1.0] MAY 0.7>0.4[0.9]

F9 DEN-ONT JAN 1.0>0.7[0.5] FEB 1.0>0.6[0.4]
F9 DEN-PDX FEB 1.0>0.8[1.1]
*F9 IAD-MCO DEC 0>0.4[0.8] JAN 0>0.6[0.9] FEB 0>0.6[0.9] MAR 0>0.5[0.7] APR 0>0.4[0.7]
F9 LAS-SJC FEB 0.9>0.6[0.4]
F9 LAS-SMF FEB 1.0>0.8[0.4]
F9 MCO-ONT JAN 1.0>0.7[1.0] FEB 1.0>0.6[1.0]
F9 ORD-TPA FEB 1.0>0.8[1.0]
F9 PHX-SAN JAN 1.0>0.8[0] FEB 1.0>0.8[0]
F9 PHX-SLC JAN 1.0>0.8[0] FEB 1.0>0.8[0]

**FI KEF-MCI MAY 0.3>0[0.2] JUN 0.6>0[0.6] JUL 0.5>0[0.6]

KE BOS-ICN MAY 0.7>1.0[0.7] JUN 0.7>1.0[0.7] JUL 0.7>1.0[0.7]

Why are they flying from BUD anyway?
LO BUD-JFK MAY 0.6>1.0[0.6] JUN 0.6>1.0[0.6] JUL 0.6>1.0[0.5]
**LO BUD-ORD APR 0.3>0[0.3] MAY 0.3>0[0.3] JUN 0.3>0[0.3] JUL 0.3>0[0.3]

NK ATL-AUS DEC 1.0>0.5[0]
NK BOS-BWI DEC 2>1.0[2] JAN 0.4>0.2[2]
NK BUR-LAS DEC 2>1.1[0]
NK BWI-DEN DEC 0.8>0.5[0.8]
*NK CLE-CUN FEB 0>0.3[0] MAR 0>0.5[0] APR 0>0.4[0]
*NK CUN-PHL MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>0.7[0]
*NK CUN-PIT FEB 0>0.2[0] MAR 0>0.5[0] APR 0>0.3[0]
NK DTW-JAX DEC 1.0>0.5[0.4]
NK DTW-RDU DEC 0.8>0.4[0]
NK JAX-ORD DEC 0.8>0.5[0.4]
NK LAS-LAX DEC 3>2[3]
NK LAS-SAN DEC 3>2[3]
NK LAX-OAK DEC 2>1.0[2]
NK MCO-PIT MAR 1.5>2[1.0] APR 1.1>1.4[1.0]
NK ORD-RDU DEC 1.0>0.4[0]

SY DEN-MSP JAN 0.2>0.7[0] FEB 0>0.6[0] MAR 0>0.6[0]

UA ABE-ORD APR 3>2[2] MAY 3>2[1.8] JUN 3>2[3] JUL 3>2[3]
UA AMA-IAH DEC 2>1.8[3]
UA BDL-ORD MAR 2>3[4]
UA BNA-SFO DEC 1.5>1.1[1.9]
UA BUF-ORD MAR 2>3[3]
UA CLT-ORD APR 5>4[5] MAY 5>4[5] JUN 5>4[5] JUL 5>4[5]
UA COU-ORD MAR 3>2[2]
UA CRW-ORD MAR 3>2.0[1.7]
UA CVG-IAD MAR 3>4[3]
UA CVG-ORD APR 6>8[7] MAY 6>8[7] JUN 6>8[7] JUL 6>8[7]
UA DCA-ORD MAR 14>10[14]
UA DEN-GCC MAR 1.9>3[2.0] APR 1.9>3[2] MAY 1.9>3[2] JUN 1.9>3[2] JUL 1.9>3[2]
UA DEN-MOT MAR 3>2[2]
UA DEN-MSO MAR 3>2[3]
UA DEN-MSY MAR 3>4[3]
UA DEN-PAE MAR 2>3[0.0]
UA DEN-PHX MAR 5>7[6]
UA DEN-PRC MAR 1.0>1.9[1.0] APR 1.0>2[1.0] MAY 1.0>2[1.0]
UA DEN-PSC MAR 3>2[3]
UA ECP-IAH MAR 3>2[2]
UA EWR-OMA MAR 3>2.0[1.9]
UA EWR-RIC MAR 6>5[5] APR 6>5[6] MAY 6>5[6] JUN 6>5[6] JUL 6>5[6]
UA EWR-SAN MAR 3>4[3]
UA EWR-SFO MAR 15>12[12]
UA EWR-SLC MAR 1.1>1.9[2.0]
UA EWR-YHZ MAR 3>2[2]
UA GRR-IAH DEC 1.5>1.1[1.5]
UA HSV-IAH MAR 4>3[3]
UA IAD-ILM MAR 2>3[2]
UA IAD-ITH MAR 2>3[2.0]
UA IAD-LAS MAR 3>2[1.9]
UA IAD-LWB MAY 0.7>0.9[0.7] JUN 0.7>1.0[0.7] JUL 0.7>1.0[1.0]
UA IAD-MIA MAR 1.1>1.9[1.0]
UA IAD-MSY MAR 2>3[3]
UA IAD-PHX MAR 1.0>1.8[1.0]
UA IAD-PWM MAR 4>3[1.9]
UA IAD-YUL MAR 3>2[3]
UA IAH-LBB MAR 4>3[4]
UA IAH-MKE MAR 3>2.0[1.9]
UA IAH-PBI MAR 1.0>1.8[1.4]
UA IAH-PDX MAR 2>3[2]
UA IAH-PSP MAR 2>3[3]
UA IAH-RIC MAR 3>2[1.0]
UA IAH-SDF MAR 4>3[3]
UA IAH-TUS MAR 3>5[4]
UA IAH-TYS MAR 4>3[3]
UA IAH-VPS MAR 3>2[3]
UA IND-ORD APR 9>10[10] MAY 9>10[8] JUN 9>10[8] JUL 9>10[8]
UA IND-SFO DEC 1.4>1.0[1.9]
UA LAX-MFR MAR 3>2[1.8]
UA LAX-RNO MAR 2>3[3]
UA LGA-ORD MAR 16>14[15]
UA MCI-SFO DEC 1.4>1.0[3]
UA MDT-ORD JUN 4>3[4] JUL 4>3[4]
UA MSP-ORD MAR 8>7[7]
UA MSY-SFO MAR 1.1>1.9[1.7]
UA OKC-ORD MAR 4>3[3]
UA ORD-PIT MAR 6>4[6]
UA ORD-PVD MAR 3>2[2]
UA ORD-PWM MAR 3>2.0[2]
UA ORD-RDU MAR 6>4[5]
UA ORD-RIC APR 4>6[4] MAY 4>6[4] JUN 4>6[4] JUL 4>6[4]
UA ORD-SFO MAR 11>10[9]
UA ORD-SGF MAR 4>3[4]
UA ORD-SJC MAR 1.7>1.0[1.6]
UA ORD-SRQ MAR 2>3[2]
UA ORD-XNA MAY 4>5[4]
UA ORD-YOW MAR 2>1.8[3]
UA ORD-YUL MAR 2>3[3]
UA ORD-YVR DEC 1.9>1.5[2.0] MAR 1.9>1.1[1.0]
UA ORD-YWG MAR 1.9>1.1[1.9]
UA ORD-YYC MAR 3>2.0[3]
UA PDX-SFO MAR 9>7[7]
UA SEA-SFO MAR 8>7[8]
UA SFO-YYZ DEC 2>1.6[0]

WG FLL-YUL DEC 0>0.2[0] JAN 0>0.3[0] FEB 0>0.3[0]
WG MCO-YYZ NOV 0.1>0.6[0.7] DEC 0.3>0.7[0.8] JAN 0.5>0.8[1.0] FEB 0.4>0.9[0.8] MAR 0.4>0.8[0.7] APR 0.2>0.7[0.7]
WG PIE-YYZ FEB 0>0.3[0.1] MAR 0>0.3[0.2] APR 0>0.3[0.1]

Looks like a small cancel down for JAN
WN ALB-FLL JAN 1.0>0.5[0.9]
WN ATL-AUS JAN 3>2[3]
WN ATL-JAX JAN 3>2[3]
WN AUS-ELP JAN 2>1.5[2]
WN AUS-MDW JAN 3>2[2]
WN BNA-MCI JAN 3>2[3]
WN BOI-SJC JAN 1.7>1.1[1.0]
WN BOS-MDW JAN 4>3[2]
WN BWI-MSP JAN 1.8>1.3[1.6]
WN BWI-SDF JAN 3>2[3]
WN CLE-MKE JAN 1.5>1.2[1.6]
WN DEN-MSY JAN 3>2[2]
WN DEN-SEA JAN 4>3[3]
WN ELP-PHX JAN 3>2[2]
WN GEG-SAN JAN 1.0>0.4[0]
WN LAS-LGB JAN 0.8>1.5[3]
WN LAS-SAN JAN 10>9[10]
WN LAX-MSY JAN 1.8>1.1[3]
WN LAX-TUS JAN 3>2[3]
WN MCI-MKE JAN 1.6>1.3[1.6]
WN MCI-MSP JAN 1.5>1.2[1.6]
WN MDW-TUS JAN 1.0>0.7[1.0]
WN MSY-PHX JAN 1.8>1.4[1.1]
WN MSY-SAT JAN 1.8>1.2[1.0]
WN OAK-RNO JAN 1.8>1.1[2.0]
WN PHX-SJC JAN 6>5[6]
WN RDU-STL JAN 1.2>0.5[1.2]
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:13 pm

Got an early boost
DE FRA-MSP MAY 0.0>0.2[0.0] JUN 0.5>0.7[0.3]

Most be trying to capture the snow sports crowd
SY DEN-MSP JAN 0.2>0.7[0] FEB 0>0.6[0] MAR 0>0.6[0]
Remind me to send a thank you note to Mr. Boeing.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:19 pm

[quote="enilria"]

Why are they flying from BUD anyway?
LO BUD-JFK MAY 0.6>1.0[0.6] JUN 0.6>1.0[0.6] JUL 0.6>1.0[0.5]
**LO BUD-ORD APR 0.3>0[0.3] MAY 0.3>0[0.3] JUN 0.3>0[0.3] JUL 0.3>0[0.3][quote]

A thousand thanks as always for your weekly work.

LO is attempting to replace some of the legacy lift at BUD since the collapse of MALEV. Apparently some of it is working, some of it not so much.
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:21 pm

Well, AA’s going to be rather happy with LOT dropping BUD-ORD. Not so much on LOT’s increase for KRK-ORD, though.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:02 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
enilria wrote:

Why are they flying from BUD anyway?
LO BUD-JFK MAY 0.6>1.0[0.6] JUN 0.6>1.0[0.6] JUL 0.6>1.0[0.5]
**LO BUD-ORD APR 0.3>0[0.3] MAY 0.3>0[0.3] JUN 0.3>0[0.3] JUL 0.3>0[0.3]

A thousand thanks as always for your weekly work.

LO is attempting to replace some of the legacy lift at BUD since the collapse of MALEV. Apparently some of it is working, some of it not so much.

Thanks, good info.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:06 pm

I didn’t know KE was going daily out of BOS. I heard they were going to add an extra day, but ‘daily’ seemed off into the future. Also, unfortunate seeing Alaska cut BOS-SEA by a third. The effects of competition I guess.
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:09 pm

UA DEN-PRC MAR 1.0>1.9[1.0]

Prescott is an EAS market. Is UA adding the 2nd DEN flight on their own? They still have the PRC-LAX flight as well.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:17 pm

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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:25 pm

The cancel down in for WN in January is reductions due to the MAX situation. They’re cancelling in to February now.
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:41 pm

The B6 FLL-PUJ is only surprising because of the time of year it’s happening. I also don’t think it’s entirely just the PUJ end as they haven’t done similar suspensions from BOS/JFK. I also don’t know of any other carrier that flies FLL/MIA-PUJ suspending flights outright. It was just two or so weeks ago that the OAG thread showed B6 reducing 10 different FLL-Caribbean routes year on year. There seems to be a particular weakness there. B6 may be doing well domestically from FLL but international (Caribbean) seems like a whole other kettle of fish.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:51 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
The B6 FLL-PUJ is only surprising because of the time of year it’s happening. I also don’t think it’s entirely just the PUJ end as they haven’t done similar suspensions from BOS/JFK. I also don’t know of any other carrier that flies FLL/MIA-PUJ suspending flights outright. It was just two or so weeks ago that the OAG thread showed B6 reducing 10 different FLL-Caribbean routes year on year. There seems to be a particular weakness there. B6 may be doing well domestically from FLL but international (Caribbean) seems like a whole other kettle of fish.


According to our most ardent B6 supporters B6 is eating everyones lunch in South Florida. Go figure.


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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:53 pm

chepos wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
The B6 FLL-PUJ is only surprising because of the time of year it’s happening. I also don’t think it’s entirely just the PUJ end as they haven’t done similar suspensions from BOS/JFK. I also don’t know of any other carrier that flies FLL/MIA-PUJ suspending flights outright. It was just two or so weeks ago that the OAG thread showed B6 reducing 10 different FLL-Caribbean routes year on year. There seems to be a particular weakness there. B6 may be doing well domestically from FLL but international (Caribbean) seems like a whole other kettle of fish.


According to our most ardent B6 supporters B6 is eating everyones lunch in South Florida. Go figure.


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According to them, B6 is eating everyone’s lunch everywhere on every route they fly so go figure.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:58 pm

usflyguy wrote:
The cancel down in for WN in January is reductions due to the MAX situation. They’re cancelling in to February now.

Doesn't seem like much was cancelled. Perhaps more is coming?
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:00 pm

AS OGG-SAN MAY 1.0>1.4[1.0] JUN 1.0>2[1.0] JUL 1.0>2[1.0]

It looks to me like this month AS has finally decided to become proactive in defending their SAN-HI routes. In the early October OAG thread, they took both KOA and LIH daily next March -- rather than May as they have done in the last couple of years -- and now, after several years, they are going Daily-Double to Maui again, starting next May! So as of now, next year will see at least 5 daily flights out of SAN for Hawaii! Take that WN! (That is, of course, assuming WN is flying SAN-Hawaii next summer...)

But perhaps there's more to it than that. Since HA is downgrading SAN-HNL to a 321 starting in January, and has so far shown no signs of adding anything to their SAN route map, could AS also sense either a pullback by HA in SAN or possibly expect to eventually see HA grow their SAN service sometime in 2020? After all, this past summer is only the second year that AS has seen any competition to their Maui nonstops (by HA) so maybe they feel it's worth fighting for - no matter who the competitor is.

In any case, I'm very happy to see AAG aggressive in SAN and, in case anyone is wondering, seemingly more than making up for the bunch of route cuts here (announced in Sept) at least in the number of daily departures at SDIA!

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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:00 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
The B6 FLL-PUJ is only surprising because of the time of year it’s happening. I also don’t think it’s entirely just the PUJ end as they haven’t done similar suspensions from BOS/JFK. I also don’t know of any other carrier that flies FLL/MIA-PUJ suspending flights outright. It was just two or so weeks ago that the OAG thread showed B6 reducing 10 different FLL-Caribbean routes year on year. There seems to be a particular weakness there. B6 may be doing well domestically from FLL but international (Caribbean) seems like a whole other kettle of fish.

I agree with most of that, but B6 has a connecting structure in FLL. I assume this flight was in the bank. So it is probably the connects that are weak too.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:03 pm

Delta is already reducing ATL-BUR to 1x daily? Is it performing badly?
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:15 pm

enilria wrote:
UA ORD-PIT MAR 6>4[6]

Still showing 6x daily for March. Second time this has showed up as a filing error in the past few weeks. Odd.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:20 pm

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OzarkD9S wrote:
enilria wrote:

Why are they flying from BUD anyway?
LO BUD-JFK MAY 0.6>1.0[0.6] JUN 0.6>1.0[0.6] JUL 0.6>1.0[0.5]
**LO BUD-ORD APR 0.3>0[0.3] MAY 0.3>0[0.3] JUN 0.3>0[0.3] JUL 0.3>0[0.3]

Thanks, good info.


LO also apparently has more widebodies than they can use ex-Poland (though BUD probably makes more sense for p2p efforts than virtually anywhere else in Eastern Europe). Is LO operating these flights as Ws from WAW or do they have BUD-based long haul crews?
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:37 pm

evank516 wrote:
Delta is already reducing ATL-BUR to 1x daily? Is it performing badly?


DFW-BUR on AA is going 3x daily, I wonder if that is influencing DL. For non-DL loyal flyers, AA at 3x daily offers the superior schedule and most of the same connections.

DL also has to use the 73G for BUR so maybe there is an aircraft going down for a C-check and DL chose BUR to be the route that is trimmed.
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:46 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
chepos wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
The B6 FLL-PUJ is only surprising because of the time of year it’s happening. I also don’t think it’s entirely just the PUJ end as they haven’t done similar suspensions from BOS/JFK. I also don’t know of any other carrier that flies FLL/MIA-PUJ suspending flights outright. It was just two or so weeks ago that the OAG thread showed B6 reducing 10 different FLL-Caribbean routes year on year. There seems to be a particular weakness there. B6 may be doing well domestically from FLL but international (Caribbean) seems like a whole other kettle of fish.


According to our most ardent B6 supporters B6 is eating everyones lunch in South Florida. Go figure.


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According to them, B6 is eating everyone’s lunch everywhere on every route they fly so go figure.


Their capacity is up year on yrar The performance on those routes are up in general. But of course, keep picking on numbers I post.

And anytime I disagree with you, that means I am saying b6 is eating everyone's lunch. You want to read over what I wrote about b6 vs nk in the south Florida thread and show where I said they are eating nk's lunch?

There is another round of flight adjustments for b6 going on right now. We won't know exactly what this will look like out of FLL or anywhere else for another week or so.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:46 pm

alasizon wrote:
evank516 wrote:
Delta is already reducing ATL-BUR to 1x daily? Is it performing badly?


DFW-BUR on AA is going 3x daily, I wonder if that is influencing DL. For non-DL loyal flyers, AA at 3x daily offers the superior schedule and most of the same connections.

DL also has to use the 73G for BUR so maybe there is an aircraft going down for a C-check and DL chose BUR to be the route that is trimmed.


When is DFW-BUR going 3x daily?
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:48 pm

Ishrion wrote:
alasizon wrote:
evank516 wrote:
Delta is already reducing ATL-BUR to 1x daily? Is it performing badly?


DFW-BUR on AA is going 3x daily, I wonder if that is influencing DL. For non-DL loyal flyers, AA at 3x daily offers the superior schedule and most of the same connections.

DL also has to use the 73G for BUR so maybe there is an aircraft going down for a C-check and DL chose BUR to be the route that is trimmed.


When is DFW-BUR going 3x daily?


January 13th, already loaded in aa.com

Edit: looks like it isn't daily, its only Monday and there is an added 73-8 frequency to PHX on Sundays.
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:53 pm

alasizon wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
alasizon wrote:

DFW-BUR on AA is going 3x daily, I wonder if that is influencing DL. For non-DL loyal flyers, AA at 3x daily offers the superior schedule and most of the same connections.

DL also has to use the 73G for BUR so maybe there is an aircraft going down for a C-check and DL chose BUR to be the route that is trimmed.


When is DFW-BUR going 3x daily?


January 13th, already loaded in aa.com

Edit: looks like it isn't daily, its only Sun/Mon


Sunday is still showing 2 flights only, and Saturday there's only 1 flight.

It looks like 3 flights a day will only be Mondays from Jan 13 to Feb 10, and then reverts to 2x daily including Saturday.
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:57 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
enilria wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:

Thanks, good info.


LO also apparently has more widebodies than they can use ex-Poland (though BUD probably makes more sense for p2p efforts than virtually anywhere else in Eastern Europe). Is LO operating these flights as Ws from WAW or do they have BUD-based long haul crews?



LOT is in the process of creating a mini hub in BUD. 2 787s and couple of E195s will be based there by early next year when more regional routes are scheduled to start for easy connections. LOT has 2 transfer desks, a recently opened lounge and just started flying to ICN too. They are hiring Hungarian crews.
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:09 pm

AA also adding a 5th ABQ-PHX on Jan 6, with a mainline A319. This has been an all Eagle market but one flight was upgraded to a 319 in September. We had 5 PHX flights thru the summer, all AA*, as we got a CRJ that normally went to SGU.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:14 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
The B6 FLL-PUJ is only surprising because of the time of year it’s happening. I also don’t think it’s entirely just the PUJ end as they haven’t done similar suspensions from BOS/JFK. I also don’t know of any other carrier that flies FLL/MIA-PUJ suspending flights outright. It was just two or so weeks ago that the OAG thread showed B6 reducing 10 different FLL-Caribbean routes year on year. There seems to be a particular weakness there. B6 may be doing well domestically from FLL but international (Caribbean) seems like a whole other kettle of fish.


Seems NK and WN are having an impact on these routes. WN MAX situation not withstanding, I think Southwest was willing to absorb losses in FLL just to drive a weakening competitor in B6 to the brink. Even if WN isn't performing as well on these routes as B6 they are having an impact and have the financial security to engage in predatory behavior. Also NK seems a stronger force at FLL relative to WN and B6 then they have in sometime and appear financially healthier than B6 long-term.

Also the BA drop-down to 2 dailies from MIA is interesting. Will AA replace that flight? Does this give DL/VS an opening for a second daily or upgauge?
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:33 pm

FLL-PUJ - B6 has trimmed BOS/JFK too for this market. Maybe the connections in FLL were not there. They do have NK on the route too in FLL.

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I didn’t know KE was going daily out of BOS. I heard they were going to add an extra day, but ‘daily’ seemed off into the future. Also, unfortunate seeing Alaska cut BOS-SEA by a third. The effects of competition I guess.


KE said they were going to increase. BOS-ICN appears to be daily through 10/2020. Lets see if it sticks for W21.

Also frightening to see WN go to only 3 daily on BOS-MDW.
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:42 pm

MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:
Seems NK and WN are having an impact on these routes. WN MAX situation not withstanding, I think Southwest was willing to absorb losses in FLL just to drive a weakening competitor in B6 to the brink. Even if WN isn't performing as well on these routes as B6 they are having an impact and have the financial security to engage in predatory behavior. Also NK seems a stronger force at FLL relative to WN and B6 then they have in sometime and appear financially healthier than B6 long-term.


WN still carries more domestic passengers than B6, F9, G4, or SY in the FLL/MIA market, and WN also carried more domestic passengers out of FLL than NK did until Summer 2019.

WN also currently serves FLL nonstop from STL and SAT, both of which are not currently served by B6 or NK.

WN will also be resuming or starting nonstop service to FLL from a few domestic destinations not served by B6 or NK next month, including BHM, ISP, SDF, and MKE. WN will also be starting seasonal Saturday-only FLL-CVG nonstop service starting in January 2020, and neither B6 nor NK currently serve CVG.

WN also has some connecting feed from destinations in Texas, Florida, Maryland, and the Midwest that B6 doesn't have on its nonstop international routes out of FLL.
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:51 pm

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Also frightening to see WN go to only 3 daily on BOS-MDW.


WN was originally planning on operating 4 daily BOS-MDW nonstops in Winter 2020, but WN is reducing BOS-MDW to 3 daily nonstops due to the 737 MAX grounding.
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:09 pm

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I get the reputation damage PUJ has received, but why drop just for Spring Break? Isn't that super-peak? *B6 FLL-PUJ FEB 0.8>0.2[1.0] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0.1[1.0]


This one threw me for a loop. Add closing MEX and my perception of B6 and how well it competes with network carriers south of the border is definitely taking a hit.

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Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:21 pm

MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
The B6 FLL-PUJ is only surprising because of the time of year it’s happening. I also don’t think it’s entirely just the PUJ end as they haven’t done similar suspensions from BOS/JFK. I also don’t know of any other carrier that flies FLL/MIA-PUJ suspending flights outright. It was just two or so weeks ago that the OAG thread showed B6 reducing 10 different FLL-Caribbean routes year on year. There seems to be a particular weakness there. B6 may be doing well domestically from FLL but international (Caribbean) seems like a whole other kettle of fish.


Seems NK and WN are having an impact on these routes. WN MAX situation not withstanding, I think Southwest was willing to absorb losses in FLL just to drive a weakening competitor in B6 to the brink. Even if WN isn't performing as well on these routes as B6 they are having an impact and have the financial security to engage in predatory behavior. Also NK seems a stronger force at FLL relative to WN and B6 then they have in sometime and appear financially healthier than B6 long-term.

Also the BA drop-down to 2 dailies from MIA is interesting. Will AA replace that flight? Does this give DL/VS an opening for a second daily or upgauge?


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Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:24 pm

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DE FRA-MSP MAY 0.0>0.2[0.0] JUN 0.5>0.7[0.3]

Most be trying to capture the snow sports crowd
SY DEN-MSP JAN 0.2>0.7[0] FEB 0>0.6[0] MAR 0>0.6[0]


I'm amazed SY is able to make a profit on DEN-MSP, given the number of airlines already on the route. It's not uncommon on Flight Aware to see MSP-DEN flights of three airlines take off within a few minutes of each other, and follow one another across Nebraska.
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:32 pm

KE BOS-ICN MAY 0.7>1.0[0.7] JUN 0.7>1.0[0.7] JUL 0.7>1.0[0.7]

Wow, not only is KE going daily on BOS-ICN but they’re also upgauging the flight to a 77W

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Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:33 pm

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enilria wrote:

Why are they flying from BUD anyway?
LO BUD-JFK MAY 0.6>1.0[0.6] JUN 0.6>1.0[0.6] JUL 0.6>1.0[0.5]
**LO BUD-ORD APR 0.3>0[0.3] MAY 0.3>0[0.3] JUN 0.3>0[0.3] JUL 0.3>0[0.3]

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LO is attempting to replace some of the legacy lift at BUD since the collapse of MALEV. Apparently some of it is working, some of it not so much.


LOT Polish still has problems with the Boeing 787 engines that make it difficult to increase routes or launch new routes, by the summer of 2020 both JFK and ICN are increasing daily, to leave ORD they needed a third B787 which is not available, but BUD -ICN has been a success
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:36 pm

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AA also adding a 5th ABQ-PHX on Jan 6, with a mainline A319. This has been an all Eagle market but one flight was upgraded to a 319 in September. We had 5 P.HX flights thru the summer, all AA*, as we got a CRJ that normally went to SGU.


Same schedule as last year, difference is that this year it is a 319 instead of a CR9. Not enough RJs (and RJ gates) available in PHX at the moment and ABQ has the highest earning potential (TUS was also upgraded to a 738).

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LOT is in the process of creating a mini hub in BUD. 2 787s and couple of E195s will be based there by early next year when more regional routes are scheduled to start for easy connections. LOT has 2 transfer desks, a recently opened lounge and just started flying to ICN too. They are hiring Hungarian crews.


Just curious, what is the tie between BUD and ICN?
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:40 pm

BA LHR-MIA DEC 3>2[3] JAN 3>2[3] FEB 3>2[3] MAR 3>2[3]

Aren’t those the peak months to MIA when Europe is freezing and people are looking for sunny beaches?

Is AA adding a flight or will this be a reduction for OW on MIA-LHR?
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:42 pm

Nice to see B6 add a little bit at EWR, think that’s from WN’s departure?
 
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Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:43 pm

alasizon wrote:
Chuska wrote:
AA also adding a 5th ABQ-PHX on Jan 6, with a mainline A319. This has been an all Eagle market but one flight was upgraded to a 319 in September. We had 5 P.HX flights thru the summer, all AA*, as we got a CRJ that normally went to SGU.


Same schedule as last year, difference is that this year it is a 319 instead of a CR9. Not enough RJs (and RJ gates) available in PHX at the moment and ABQ has the highest earning potential (TUS was also upgraded to a 738).

SRQLOT wrote:
LOT is in the process of creating a mini hub in BUD. 2 787s and couple of E195s will be based there by early next year when more regional routes are scheduled to start for easy connections. LOT has 2 transfer desks, a recently opened lounge and just started flying to ICN too. They are hiring Hungarian crews.


Just curious, what is the tie between BUD and ICN?


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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:44 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
BA LHR-MIA DEC 3>2[3] JAN 3>2[3] FEB 3>2[3] MAR 3>2[3]

Aren’t those the peak months to MIA when Europe is freezing and people are looking for sunny beaches?

Is AA adding a flight or will this be a reduction for OW on MIA-LHR?


AA's adding a 772 flight, so overall it'll remain at 4x daily from OW as it has been.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:56 pm

Ishrion wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
BA LHR-MIA DEC 3>2[3] JAN 3>2[3] FEB 3>2[3] MAR 3>2[3]

Aren’t those the peak months to MIA when Europe is freezing and people are looking for sunny beaches?

Is AA adding a flight or will this be a reduction for OW on MIA-LHR?


AA's adding a 772 flight, so overall it'll remain at 4x daily from OW as it has been.


But OW was 5x (3x BA and 2x AA), so now it’s going to only 4x during peak. That’s a reduction over last year at the same time, no?

Looking at random dates in Jan & Feb it also looks like VS drops down to 1x daily. Lot of capacity cut on MIA-LHR
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:57 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
KE BOS-ICN MAY 0.7>1.0[0.7] JUN 0.7>1.0[0.7] JUL 0.7>1.0[0.7]

Wow, not only is KE going daily on BOS-ICN but they’re also upgauging the flight to a 77W

https://www.google.com/flights#flt=/m/0 ... USD.172765


In ITA it looks like the two added frequencies are 777. It may not be a big bump in overall seats (8) but it is an increase in J Class.
Airlines flown: A3, AA, AC, AF, AM, BA, B6, CA, CO, CX, DL, EA, EL, IB, LH, MI, MQ, NH, NW, NZ, OU, PE, QF, S4, SQ, TP, UA, US, VS, WE, WN

2019: CX BOS-HKG, WE HKG-HKT, CA HKT-PEK-EWR, B6 EWR-BOS
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:01 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
BA LHR-MIA DEC 3>2[3] JAN 3>2[3] FEB 3>2[3] MAR 3>2[3]

Aren’t those the peak months to MIA when Europe is freezing and people are looking for sunny beaches?

Is AA adding a flight or will this be a reduction for OW on MIA-LHR?


AA's adding a 772 flight, so overall it'll remain at 4x daily from OW as it has been.


But OW was 5x (3x BA and 2x AA), so now it’s going to only 4x during peak. That’s a reduction over last year at the same time, no?


I'm pretty certain AA wasn't 2x over the past year, it was always 1x since AA/BA did a metal swap on the route. I believe it used to be 2x AA/BA until AA moved 1 MIA frequency to DFW and BA took over the dropped MIA frequency.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:03 pm

Looks like mostly seasonal stuff in this report. And AS redistributing aircraft from west coast to eastern, to intra west coast and Hawaii routes. WN carrying Max cuts forward.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:06 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
KE BOS-ICN MAY 0.7>1.0[0.7] JUN 0.7>1.0[0.7] JUL 0.7>1.0[0.7]

Wow, not only is KE going daily on BOS-ICN but they’re also upgauging the flight to a 77W

https://www.google.com/flights#flt=/m/0 ... USD.172765


In ITA it looks like the two added frequencies are 777. It may not be a big bump in overall seats (8) but it is an increase in J Class.


Good catch, didn’t notice that. Though it makes me wonder how KE will handle this since the 77W has F and the 789’s don’t anymore. Wonder if KE just hasn’t loaded the 77W on the other days yet.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:06 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
BA LHR-MIA DEC 3>2[3] JAN 3>2[3] FEB 3>2[3] MAR 3>2[3]

Aren’t those the peak months to MIA when Europe is freezing and people are looking for sunny beaches?

Is AA adding a flight or will this be a reduction for OW on MIA-LHR?


AA's adding a 772 flight, so overall it'll remain at 4x daily from OW as it has been.


But OW was 5x (3x BA and 2x AA), so now it’s going to only 4x during peak. That’s a reduction over last year at the same time, no?

Looking at random dates in Jan & Feb it also looks like VS drops down to 1x daily. Lot of capacity cut on MIA-LHR

It used to be 2x AA, 2x BA (77W, 772, B747, A380) until last winter when it became 1x AA, 3xBA (77W, B747, B747, A380). AFAIK, VS has always been 1x @ MIA and DY recently shifted their flight over to MIA. It’s a OW downgrade in capacity for sure but not in frequency.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:07 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

AA's adding a 772 flight, so overall it'll remain at 4x daily from OW as it has been.


But OW was 5x (3x BA and 2x AA), so now it’s going to only 4x during peak. That’s a reduction over last year at the same time, no?

Looking at random dates in Jan & Feb it also looks like VS drops down to 1x daily. Lot of capacity cut on MIA-LHR

It used to be 2x AA, 2x BA (77W, 772, B747, A380) until last winter when it became 1x AA, 3xBA (77W, B747, B747, A380). AFAIK, VS has always been 1x @ MIA and DY recently shifted their flight over to MIA. It’s a OW downgrade in capacity for sure but not in frequency.


Got it. Thanks for clarifying!
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:07 pm

This plus AA to MIA and SILVER to their multiple stops have all been hurricane related....prior to the storm DAL was doing well at MHH & ELH with started last winter if I recall....ELH is still running and GGT is daily if memory serves me well
*DL ATL-MHH DEC 0.7>0[0.6] JAN 0.9>0[0.8] FEB 1.0>0[1.0] MAR 1.1>0[1.2] APR 1.1>0[1.1] MAY 1.2>0[1.1] JUN 1.1>0[1.2] JUL 1.1>0[1.1]
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:18 pm

Since I'm not a scheduler for an airline, this may seem like a silly question, but here goes...

Re: the MAX. It seems as if no one really know when it will return to service. Would it not make sense for airlines that operate it "pretend" as if it never flew, and base their schedules accordingly? When it is finally given the green light to fly again, I expect it will take an eventual ramping up of training, etc. This way they don't have to keep putting it in the schedule and turning around and pushing back the re-start date.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 7:29 pm

alasizon wrote:
Chuska wrote:
AA also adding a 5th ABQ-PHX on Jan 6, with a mainline A319. This has been an all Eagle market but one flight was upgraded to a 319 in September. We had 5 P.HX flights thru the summer, all AA*, as we got a CRJ that normally went to SGU.


Same schedule as last year, difference is that this year it is a 319 instead of a CR9. Not enough RJs (and RJ gates) available in PHX at the moment and ABQ has the highest earning potential (TUS was also upgraded to a 738).

SRQLOT wrote:
LOT is in the process of creating a mini hub in BUD. 2 787s and couple of E195s will be based there by early next year when more regional routes are scheduled to start for easy connections. LOT has 2 transfer desks, a recently opened lounge and just started flying to ICN too. They are hiring Hungarian crews.


Just curious, what is the tie between BUD and ICN?



LOT wanted to fly to ICN daily from WAW, unfortunately couldn't get an agreement for that. Government of Hungry helped LOT get an agreement with South Korea for the flights as plenty of tourists to Hungry. This way LOT has daily flights to ICN with a connection either in WAW or BUD.
LO LH CL BA AZ WN UA DL AA B6 NK G4 F9
717 733/7/8/9/M8 744 752/3 763 788 319/20/21 332/3 M90 RJ85 CR9 Q400 E7/95 (PA28,152)
 
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Re: OAG Changes 10/20/2019:B6 Suspends PUJ-FLL;DL Drops MHH;F9 Back in IAD-MCO;LO Drops BUD-ORD

Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:02 pm

MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
The B6 FLL-PUJ is only surprising because of the time of year it’s happening. I also don’t think it’s entirely just the PUJ end as they haven’t done similar suspensions from BOS/JFK. I also don’t know of any other carrier that flies FLL/MIA-PUJ suspending flights outright. It was just two or so weeks ago that the OAG thread showed B6 reducing 10 different FLL-Caribbean routes year on year. There seems to be a particular weakness there. B6 may be doing well domestically from FLL but international (Caribbean) seems like a whole other kettle of fish.


Seems NK and WN are having an impact on these routes. WN MAX situation not withstanding, I think Southwest was willing to absorb losses in FLL just to drive a weakening competitor in B6 to the brink. Even if WN isn't performing as well on these routes as B6 they are having an impact and have the financial security to engage in predatory behavior. Also NK seems a stronger force at FLL relative to WN and B6 then they have in sometime and appear financially healthier than B6 long-term.

Also the BA drop-down to 2 dailies from MIA is interesting. Will AA replace that flight? Does this give DL/VS an opening for a second daily or upgauge?


NK is the bigger problem for B6. WN I don't think is much of a concern going forward. All the numbers show WN is weakening at FLL and NK is strengthening. WN growth over the 2 years didn't gain them any traction. That kind of growth doesn't last. NK has grown and gotten more profitable at FLL.

Unfortunately given the situation at BOS and with A321NEO delays, FLL is not going to get much growth in the next year or so. You are going to see some reductions on underperforming routes to fund additions elsewhere. They dialed back frequencies to some Latin American markets but they've also added GCM/STI/SX/GYE in the past year and half. People got used to B6 adding 15 to 20% flights a year at FLL, but we are not in that phase right now, so they are going adjust schedule based on demand. DR i think is temporary unless tourism never comes back there. MEX is gone and I personally think Cuba reductions need to happen also.

I think once A220 comes along and basic economy pricing comes into play, FLL will start growing again more rapidly.

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