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CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:12 pm

News that due to ongoing strong demand China Southern will upgauge its Beijing to Istanbul service currently operated on A330 to A380.

Along with the equipment change, CZ will transfer the service from PEK to PKX.

World's largest passenger aircraft to bring more Chinese tourists to Istanbul
https://www.dailysabah.com/tourism/2019 ... o-istanbul

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Traffic between China and Turkey has been booming in recent years with increase services offered by airlines on both sides. TK soon will launch its 4th destination Xi'an.
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Re: CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Mon Oct 21, 2019 9:57 pm

Not surprising, TK also for years tried to add more services to PEK and PVG. Not sure what their plan is now though.

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Re: CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:19 pm

Does CZ partner with TK?
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Re: CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:23 pm

eamondzhang wrote:
Not surprising, TK also for years tried to add more services to PEK and PVG. Not sure what their plan is now though.

Michael


There was an article a few months ago saying they were interested in launching Xi’An and Xiamen.
 
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Re: CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:33 pm

Good show of confidence in Turkish market. Believe CZ operates 3 routes from Istanbul.

Ishrion wrote:
There was an article a few months ago saying they were interested in launching Xi’An and Xiamen.


Last month TK announced intention to launch XIY

https://investor.turkishairlines.com/en ... isclosures
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Re: CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:34 pm

Yes as part of expanded air service agreement TK announced Xi'an.
Will be 4th mainland China destination. I expect it to launch for the S20 sked 7x weekly.
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Re: CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:06 pm

mercure1 wrote:
Good show of confidence in Turkish market. Believe CZ operates 3 routes from Istanbul.

Two actually, used to have a PEK-URC-IST but was moved direct.

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Re: CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:24 am

lightsaber wrote:
Does CZ partner with TK?


No, CZ's partners linked.

https://skypearl.csair.com/en/earning/fly_styteam.html
 
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Re: CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:23 am

This is *really* interesting. I did not see this coming.
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Re: CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:53 pm

Interesting. Obviously CZ feels market can support the capacity. Article says Chinese traffic to Turkey increasing at fast pace.
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Re: CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:04 pm

LAXintl wrote:
News that due to ongoing strong demand China Southern will upgauge its Beijing to Istanbul service currently operated on A330 to A380.

Along with the equipment change, CZ will transfer the service from PEK to PKX.

World's largest passenger aircraft to bring more Chinese tourists to Istanbul
https://www.dailysabah.com/tourism/2019 ... o-istanbul

=

Traffic between China and Turkey has been booming in recent years with increase services offered by airlines on both sides. TK soon will launch its 4th destination Xi'an.


The actual market demand between the main Chinese cities year over year and IST was as follows:

*round trip pax below*

PEK increased from 106,000 to 128,000
PVG increased from 115,000 to 126,000
CAN dropped from 103,000 to 87,000
CTU increased from 3,000 to 19,000

So I don't know how the article claims a big increase in traffic because reality shows just a normal 10-20% on PVG/PEK, a -15% drop on CAN and CTU obviously must have got a new link for such a jump.

In comparison:

ICN-IST grew from 232,000 to 286,000 (p2p market demand here is more than PEK + PVG combined)
TPE-IST grew from 138,000 to 154,000
KUL-IST grew from 102,000 to 129,000
HKG increased from 94,000 to 105,000
NRT-IST grew from 47,000 to 68,000
SIN-IST grew from 49,000 to 63,000
CGK-IST dropped from 91,000 to 83,000
 
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Re: CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:09 pm

They really don't seem to know where to bring the whale.
 
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Re: CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:10 pm

I'm really surprised to hear this because I flew with China Southern on Beijing-Istanbul and it was an A330 via Urumqi (where there were connections from all over China) and the flight was from the old terminal. Now it's direct, an A380 and with brand new airports at both ends.

I wonder if they'll be codesharing with TK - if so they could offer a lot of European cities via Istanbul.
 
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Re: CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:12 pm

Interesting news and quite a bold move it seems.
Surprised that CZ traded the pax volumes of A380 rather than cargo capacity of the B777
 
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Re: CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:35 pm

behramjee wrote:
So I don't know how the article claims a big increase in traffic because reality shows just a normal 10-20% on PVG/PEK, a -15% drop on CAN and CTU obviously must have got a new link for such a jump.


Turkish border statistics show very strong growth of Chinese visitors.

2016 - 176,570
2017 - 247 277
2018 - 394 109
2019 - 500,000 estimated

Plus add in Turks that visit China, so the market is definitely growing between nations.
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Re: CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:43 pm

LAXintl wrote:
behramjee wrote:
So I don't know how the article claims a big increase in traffic because reality shows just a normal 10-20% on PVG/PEK, a -15% drop on CAN and CTU obviously must have got a new link for such a jump.


Plus add in Turks that visit China, so the market is definitely growing between nations.


That may be the case but a bad thing for Turkish nationals is that it's still really hard for them to get a Chinese visa which significantly decreases the potential of Turkey-China routes.
 
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Re: CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:46 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Turkish border statistics show very strong growth of Chinese visitors.

2016 - 176,570
2017 - 247 277
2018 - 394 109
2019 - 500,000 estimated

Plus add in Turks that visit China, so the market is definitely growing between nations.


That is some explosive growth
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Re: CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:26 pm

LAXintl wrote:
behramjee wrote:
So I don't know how the article claims a big increase in traffic because reality shows just a normal 10-20% on PVG/PEK, a -15% drop on CAN and CTU obviously must have got a new link for such a jump.


Turkish border statistics show very strong growth of Chinese visitors.

2016 - 176,570
2017 - 247 277
2018 - 394 109
2019 - 500,000 estimated

Plus add in Turks that visit China, so the market is definitely growing between nations.


This is country to country stats you are providing above and not city to city which I did as we all know, an airline such as CZ wont even be able to grab even 25% of the market outside of PEK/CAN/WUH + from PEK it will compete with TK nonstop + EK/QR/EY to IST.

To summarize, it doesnt warrant an A380 operated service PKX-IST when the aircraft is configured in a high premium layout unless they got a guaranteed tour operator block contract for IST but still that would be low yielding group fares.
 
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Re: CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:40 am

But it is still 3/week?
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Re: CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:48 am

aldrigsomandre wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
behramjee wrote:
So I don't know how the article claims a big increase in traffic because reality shows just a normal 10-20% on PVG/PEK, a -15% drop on CAN and CTU obviously must have got a new link for such a jump.


Plus add in Turks that visit China, so the market is definitely growing between nations.


That may be the case but a bad thing for Turkish nationals is that it's still really hard for them to get a Chinese visa which significantly decreases the potential of Turkey-China routes.


This. I thought Turkey and China are having a bit of a diplomatic spat at the moment. I have read many reports of people being denied visas and TWOV in Chinese airports because they have Turkish stamps in their passports....
 
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Re: CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:58 am

LAXintl wrote:
behramjee wrote:
So I don't know how the article claims a big increase in traffic because reality shows just a normal 10-20% on PVG/PEK, a -15% drop on CAN and CTU obviously must have got a new link for such a jump.


Turkish border statistics show very strong growth of Chinese visitors.

2016 - 176,570
2017 - 247 277
2018 - 394 109
2019 - 500,000 estimated

Plus add in Turks that visit China, so the market is definitely growing between nations.


Actually those numbers are not that impressive. Serbia which is not a tourist destination will have around 200.000 Chinese tourists this year. Turkey should be having at least a million a year by now.
 
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Re: CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:02 am

First scheduled A380 flight?
 
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Re: CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:28 pm

21pilots wrote:
They really don't seem to know where to bring the whale.


I think that is the real point for CZ.
 
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Re: CZ upgauge Istanbul to A380, move service from PEK to PKX

Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:51 am

chunhimlai wrote:
First scheduled A380 flight?

For what was then known as IST and the new IST yes. Pretty big deal.
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