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Pilatus unveils PC-12 NGX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:46 am

Pilatus unveils PC-12 NGX and shows this teaser video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJJ49JM7aRQ

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Re: Pilatus unveils PC-12 NGX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:01 am

Looks dope.
 
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Re: Pilatus unveils PC-12 NGX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:34 am

00:48 including raccoon eyes, it seems?
 
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Re: Pilatus unveils PC-12 NGX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:27 am

Yes, now including raccoon eyes as standard.
 
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Re: Pilatus unveils PC-12 NGX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:29 am

Impressive

Fadec and an autothrottle are a big advance and a workload reducer, looks like single lever power control as well

So a good advance, I wonder if that is a different engine with more power ?


One thing the PC12 needs is more speed and that would help, its 280 knot cruise is non competitive with the TBM and Epic which can both exceed it by more than 50 knots
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Re: Pilatus unveils PC-12 NGX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:52 am

Just finished reading the specs

It is a very nice aircraft but max cruise speed is only up to 290 knots.
Surprised that Pilatus didn’t try to at least break the 300 knot mark


It’s not like the power isn’t available as this engine is substantially derated


I’m guessing the airframe was the limitation here which makes you wonder why a more extensive, aerodynamic redesign wasn’t undertaken
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Re: Pilatus unveils PC-12 NGX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:26 pm

*Bruce Wayne voice* ....does it come in black?

Time to start buying lotto tickets. Still rather have a TBM 940 though.
 
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Re: Pilatus unveils PC-12 NGX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:43 pm

It’s a much bigger airframe Han either the Epc or TBM. 290 is pretty much it and it comes with hghvfuel burn.
 
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Re: Pilatus unveils PC-12 NGX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:02 pm

Max Q wrote:
One thing the PC12 needs is more speed and that would help, its 280 knot cruise is non competitive with the TBM and Epic which can both exceed it by more than 50 knots


The PC-12 is built for a different mission, plus its quite a bit larger, about 12 feet longer then the Epic and TBM 940. Pilatus has prioritized utility over speed. Same can be seen with the PC-24. Both are designed for payload, short field performance and non paved runways, not really high speed cruise. The PC-12 specs point to much more of a focus on takeoff and landing performance. MTOW on the PC-12 is 10,450 lbs with a need for 2,485 ft of runway for takeoff while the TBM with a MTOW of 7,934 lbs needs 2,380 ft, 105 ft difference but 2,500 lbs heavier for the Pilatus.
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Re: Pilatus unveils PC-12 NGX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:02 pm

Max Q wrote:
Impressive

Fadec and an autothrottle are a big advance and a workload reducer, looks like single lever power control as well

So a good advance, I wonder if that is a different engine with more power ?


One thing the PC12 needs is more speed and that would help, its 280 knot cruise is non competitive with the TBM and Epic which can both exceed it by more than 50 knots


The only plane it needs to worry about is the Cessna Denali which is literally its direct competitor. The other two you mentioned aren't directly in the same class.
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Re: Pilatus unveils PC-12 NGX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:42 pm

the site, the video, the pdf document... none of them mention pax capacity.... i guess intimate knowledge of the PC12 is needed to understand what the PC-12NGX is.....
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Re: Pilatus unveils PC-12 NGX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:58 pm

estorilm wrote:
*Bruce Wayne voice* ....does it come in black?

Time to start buying lotto tickets. Still rather have a TBM 940 though.


Even better if you say it in a John Wayne voice :lol:
 
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Re: Pilatus unveils PC-12 NGX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:27 pm

ODwyerPW wrote:
the site, the video, the pdf document... none of them mention pax capacity.... i guess intimate knowledge of the PC12 is needed to understand what the PC-12NGX is.....


Pretty sure it's the same as the NG, which is 6+. (an additional passenger can be added during single pilot operation)
 
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Re: Pilatus unveils PC-12 NGX

Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:33 pm

Up to 10 passengers when single pilot ops

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Re: Pilatus unveils PC-12 NGX

Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:05 am

On the first public day of NBAA-BACE, three customers were eager to be first in line to purchase the new advanced version of the PC-12. One is Dion Weisler, CEO of HP.

Source: https://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/en/new ... -bace-2019

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Re: Pilatus unveils PC-12 NGX

Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:51 pm

Max Q wrote:
One thing the PC12 needs is more speed and that would help, its 280 knot cruise is non competitive with the TBM and Epic which can both exceed it by more than 50 knots


The PC-12 customer base is in wild disagreement with you. The aircraft is a flying SUV, and SUVs are not built for speed - they're build to haul all your belongings, friends and family in comfort and able to go where the paved road ends. That's exactly what the PC-12 does, and does better than anything else on offer. It is not competing with either the TBM or Epic, both of which are at least one class lower in size. Think of the TBM and Epic as a BMW M6 / AMG E-Class and the PC-12 as a Range Rover LWB, then it all starts making sense.
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Re: Pilatus unveils PC-12 NGX

Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:27 am

426Shadow wrote:
Max Q wrote:
Impressive

Fadec and an autothrottle are a big advance and a workload reducer, looks like single lever power control as well

So a good advance, I wonder if that is a different engine with more power ?


One thing the PC12 needs is more speed and that would help, its 280 knot cruise is non competitive with the TBM and Epic which can both exceed it by more than 50 knots


The only plane it needs to worry about is the Cessna Denali which is literally its direct competitor. The other two you mentioned aren't directly in the same class.


I don't understand (and hope to be educated) on how this plane is going to be even as good as the Denali. I understood the Denali will have a more modern engine, a wider and taller cabin, and will also have the FADEC and touch screen controller. Cessna's jet service centers are everywhere. Is there any good reason to suspect the PC12 will be as good as the Denali?
 
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Re: Pilatus unveils PC-12 NGX

Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:13 am

kitplane01 wrote:
426Shadow wrote:
Max Q wrote:
Impressive

Fadec and an autothrottle are a big advance and a workload reducer, looks like single lever power control as well

So a good advance, I wonder if that is a different engine with more power ?


One thing the PC12 needs is more speed and that would help, its 280 knot cruise is non competitive with the TBM and Epic which can both exceed it by more than 50 knots


The only plane it needs to worry about is the Cessna Denali which is literally its direct competitor. The other two you mentioned aren't directly in the same class.


I don't understand (and hope to be educated) on how this plane is going to be even as good as the Denali. I understood the Denali will have a more modern engine, a wider and taller cabin, and will also have the FADEC and touch screen controller. Cessna's jet service centers are everywhere. Is there any good reason to suspect the PC12 will be as good as the Denali?



The Denali will be an interesting aircraft and will attract a lot of sales I think but there’s room for two in this market niche and Pilatus has a great reputation and a loyal following


I don’t think touch screen displays will make a difference, I don’t like them in a cockpit and many pilots are of a similar mindset
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Re: Pilatus unveils PC-12 NGX

Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:19 am

A couple of years ago I was shown round the Pilatus factory in Stans by one of the senior execs of the firm. He made a notable comment that "when we launched the PC-12 almost 30 years ago analysts expected us to sell around 200 over 20 years." It is testament to Pilatus hitting a sweet spot with the design that 28 years after the first flight 1,800 PC-12s have actually been built.
 
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Re: Pilatus unveils PC-12 NGX

Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:55 am

ODwyerPW wrote:
the site, the video, the pdf document... none of them mention pax capacity.... i guess intimate knowledge of the PC12 is needed to understand what the PC-12NGX is.....


https://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/en/fly/pc-12

Just in case you overlooked it, scroll down to cabin dimensions and you'll find cabin configurations.

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