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Browneyed1989
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Airbus A321LR, two-class configuration

Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:46 pm

Hello everyone,

What would be a typical two-class configuration for an Airbus A321LR with three main doors and one overwing exit (like TAP Air Portugal has), using 16 lie-flat seats in business (Thomson Vantage seats like TAP and Aer Lingus) and standard seats in economy with a decent 32 inch seat pitch?
 
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Re: Airbus A321LR, two-class configuration

Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:55 pm

Your own example Aer Lingus has (according to Wikipedia) a 2-class layout with 184 seats, of which 16 are lie-flat business seats and 168 are economy (these have 31-32inch seat pitch).
 
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Re: Airbus A321LR, two-class configuration

Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:00 pm

It would approximately be 16J flat beds + 144Y (with 32 inch pitch) using the A321Neo ACF configuration layout.
 
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Re: Airbus A321LR, two-class configuration

Wed Oct 23, 2019 1:15 pm

Rumor has it Jetblue 321LR's will have 32 Mint lie flat seats (everything forward of the overwing exit) and 120ish econ in the back.
 
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Re: Airbus A321LR, two-class configuration

Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:11 pm

Turbosnake wrote:
Rumor has it Jetblue 321LR's will have 32 Mint lie flat seats (everything forward of the overwing exit) and 120ish econ in the back.



This is a direct shot across United's PS/Polaris bow. A 32 Mint seat A321LR flying EWR-LHR or BOS-SFO would have really good economics compared to United's 46 Polaris Seat 767-300 and 28 seat 757-200 PS birds...
 
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Re: Airbus A321LR, two-class configuration

Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:16 pm

jghealey wrote:
Your own example Aer Lingus has (according to Wikipedia) a 2-class layout with 184 seats, of which 16 are lie-flat business seats and 168 are economy (these have 31-32inch seat pitch).


behramjee wrote:
It would approximately be 16J flat beds + 144Y (with 32 inch pitch) using the A321Neo ACF configuration layout.


Kind of hard to reconcile those two assertions. I'll pick the first as more likely given the OP's specified pitch. B6' current Mint config has much more generous coach pitch than spec'd by the OP, and is:

16 flat bed J

41 Even More Space 37-41" pitch

102 Core at 33" pitch
 
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Re: Airbus A321LR, two-class configuration

Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:24 pm

Browneyed1989 wrote:
Hello everyone,

What would be a typical two-class configuration for an Airbus A321LR with three main doors and one overwing exit (like TAP Air Portugal has), using 16 lie-flat seats in business (Thomson Vantage seats like TAP and Aer Lingus) and standard seats in economy with a decent 32 inch seat pitch?


Didn't you just answer your own question? Just go on a site like seatguru and see what it looks like.
 
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Re: Airbus A321LR, two-class configuration

Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:27 pm

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Browneyed1989
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Re: Airbus A321LR, two-class configuration

Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:38 pm

airbazar wrote:
Browneyed1989 wrote:
Hello everyone,

What would be a typical two-class configuration for an Airbus A321LR with three main doors and one overwing exit (like TAP Air Portugal has), using 16 lie-flat seats in business (Thomson Vantage seats like TAP and Aer Lingus) and standard seats in economy with a decent 32 inch seat pitch?


Didn't you just answer your own question? Just go on a site like seatguru and see what it looks like.


No, TAP Air Portugal has three classes instead of two.

Mountainerd wrote:
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This is an A321LR with two overwing exits. I was asking about a version with three main doors and one overwing exit.

Image
 
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Re: Airbus A321LR, two-class configuration

Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:52 pm

All A321LR are supposed to be ACF, IIRC?
 
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Re: Airbus A321LR, two-class configuration

Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:04 pm

Browneyed1989 wrote:

No, TAP Air Portugal has three classes instead of two.


Don't be fooled by marketing, it is a 2 class airplane.

The economy extra is just 1-2 inches more leg room than 'economy' which is purely due to the fact that a 31" pitch wouldn't align with the exit row.

EI fits more seats than TP, because they don't have a lavatory behind their J cabin and opted for dual exit rows over the wing.
 
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Re: Airbus A321LR, two-class configuration

Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:36 pm

Browneyed1989 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
Browneyed1989 wrote:
Hello everyone,

What would be a typical two-class configuration for an Airbus A321LR with three main doors and one overwing exit (like TAP Air Portugal has), using 16 lie-flat seats in business (Thomson Vantage seats like TAP and Aer Lingus) and standard seats in economy with a decent 32 inch seat pitch?


Didn't you just answer your own question? Just go on a site like seatguru and see what it looks like.


No, TAP Air Portugal has three classes instead of two.


Semantics only. Their EconomyExtra has 32" pitch vs. Economy with 31" pitch.There isn't enough room to add even an extra row of seats.
 
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Re: Airbus A321LR, two-class configuration

Wed Oct 23, 2019 5:52 pm

airbazar wrote:
Browneyed1989 wrote:
airbazar wrote:

Didn't you just answer your own question? Just go on a site like seatguru and see what it looks like.


No, TAP Air Portugal has three classes instead of two.


Semantics only. Their EconomyExtra has 32" pitch vs. Economy with 31" pitch.There isn't enough room to add even an extra row of seats.


"There isn't enough room to add even an extra row of seats"

Ryanair: Challenge Accepted
 
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Re: Airbus A321LR, two-class configuration

Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:08 pm

Browneyed1989 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
Browneyed1989 wrote:
Hello everyone,

What would be a typical two-class configuration for an Airbus A321LR with three main doors and one overwing exit (like TAP Air Portugal has), using 16 lie-flat seats in business (Thomson Vantage seats like TAP and Aer Lingus) and standard seats in economy with a decent 32 inch seat pitch?


Didn't you just answer your own question? Just go on a site like seatguru and see what it looks like.


No, TAP Air Portugal has three classes instead of two.

Mountainerd wrote:
Image


This is an A321LR with two overwing exits. I was asking about a version with three main doors and one overwing exit.

Image


I’m pretty sure TAP A321LRs only have 1 over wing exit activated. Looking at numerous pictures only door is outlined on the aircraft.
So this is an aircraft with 3 Main doors and 1 overwing.
Edit: Here is a seat map https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/TAP_P ... A321LR.php
 
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Re: Airbus A321LR, two-class configuration

Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:11 pm

WorldFlier wrote:
Turbosnake wrote:
Rumor has it Jetblue 321LR's will have 32 Mint lie flat seats (everything forward of the overwing exit) and 120ish econ in the back.



This is a direct shot across United's PS/Polaris bow. A 32 Mint seat A321LR flying EWR-LHR or BOS-SFO would have really good economics compared to United's 46 Polaris Seat 767-300 and 28 seat 757-200 PS birds...


On the EWR-LHR sector the premium cabin ins 50% larger on the 763. On the BOS-SFO, UA is not flying the 28 seat PS 752s. Also missing the fixed cost side of the equation, new plane versus paid for. The plane is not a silver bullet.
 
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Re: Airbus A321LR, two-class configuration

Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:56 pm

airzona11 wrote:
WorldFlier wrote:
Turbosnake wrote:
Rumor has it Jetblue 321LR's will have 32 Mint lie flat seats (everything forward of the overwing exit) and 120ish econ in the back.



This is a direct shot across United's PS/Polaris bow. A 32 Mint seat A321LR flying EWR-LHR or BOS-SFO would have really good economics compared to United's 46 Polaris Seat 767-300 and 28 seat 757-200 PS birds...


On the EWR-LHR sector the premium cabin ins 50% larger on the 763. On the BOS-SFO, UA is not flying the 28 seat PS 752s. Also missing the fixed cost side of the equation, new plane versus paid for. The plane is not a silver bullet.


Check out UA242 and UA1865 today.

https://www.united.com/en/us/flightstat ... SFO/BOS/UA

28 Seat PS. I flew on one too :)

A 32 Seat Mint A321LR can flood markets with (awesome) Business Seats. I would argue that a A321LR probably does not have higher CASM than a 767-300, even if the A321LR is leased and the 767-300 is paid off because the 767-300 burns way more fuel (especially per seat in United's premium heavy configuration) and has significantly higher maintenance cost.
 
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Re: Airbus A321LR, two-class configuration

Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:12 am

runway23 wrote:
Don't be fooled by marketing, it is a 2 class airplane.

The economy extra is just 1-2 inches more leg room than 'economy' which is purely due to the fact that a 31" pitch wouldn't align with the exit row.

EI fits more seats than TP, because they don't have a lavatory behind their J cabin and opted for dual exit rows over the wing.


airbazar wrote:
Semantics only. Their EconomyExtra has 32" pitch vs. Economy with 31" pitch.There isn't enough room to add even an extra row of seats.


Thank you for your information!

So if I'm correct, with the TAP door configuration and without the lavatories between the J- and Y-class, a seat layout of 178 seats (16 J, 162 Y with 32 inch) would be feasible?

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