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Re: Four AA FAs arrested at MIA for money laundering

Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:45 pm

ltbewr wrote:
Even if a 'minor' violation, as not USA citizens and caught 'at the border' which Customs is, likely AA will terminate their employment, they will lose their visas and put on 'no fly' lists as to entry into the USA for life. These flight staff can also look forward to rotting in Fed holding facility for a while until they have trial or more likely a boot from the USA after a plea deal with time served.

They won’t be held for long, if you actually research the newswire (unlike 99% of this thread) , they all admitted the money wasn’t for them and they were just going to get a cut. This means they were advised to admit the crime so they can cut a deal and not be detained for long.

This will all help when the lawyers try to get them released so they can go back to their country.
 
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Re: Four AA FAs arrested at MIA for money laundering

Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:24 pm

Another article states the four told authorities they would get a 1% cut of the money... so four people allegedly risked their careers and possible prison time for a grand total of $226.71… $56.68 each on average? At least on this instance, perhaps it has been done before.
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Re: Four AA FAs arrested at MIA for money laundering

Wed Oct 23, 2019 7:41 pm

amax1977 wrote:
11C wrote:
amax1977 wrote:
Simply pathetic! Millions of dollars illegally pass through US borders and the bozos in US customs feeling proud to catch $22K? It's not that those FAs had $1M with them or trafficking cocaine or something! They probably took a few iPhone 11s to Chile and sold for a small profit. Everybody does that when the new iPhones get released!

How do you think they move the millions? Everybody takes new iPhones to sell for profit? Wouldn’t that require you to lie on the Chilean customs form, or pay a huge duty?


All I'm saying is all 4 FAs carried less than $10K each and even if it was a plan to bring in $22K, it's a minor violation and could be resolved with a warning or a fine. Definitely not something that 4 people should get arrested over it and jeopardize their reputations and jobs!


They admitted to the crime, Face the punishment like other adults.
 
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Re: Four AA FAs arrested at MIA for money laundering

Wed Oct 23, 2019 8:49 pm

OccupiedLav wrote:
Elementalism wrote:
You arent required to declare money over 10k to customs agents. Him changing his declaration set this off. Will have to see what evidence, if any, they can uncover this is illegally laundered money. Being in possession of $9000 in cash does not make it illegal.

To me this stinks of civil forfeiture. Where govt steals your cash without a conviction and it takes a court case to get it back. And to ensure the defendants leave it alone they are charged with a crime, even if evidence is lacking.


You're absolutely right. Nothing suspicious about 4 flight attendants from South America splitting up a huge amount of cash in an attempt to avoid declaring it. They probably have all that cash because they helped out that Nigerian prince, and he is just now repaying them. Now Uncle Sam is reaching into their pockets.



Agree also. Many law enforcement agency in the US have lost the Plot. To me this is some of the most egregious activity by our Government.
 
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Re: Four AA FAs arrested at MIA for money laundering

Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:05 pm

Pyrex wrote:
Probably someone trying to get their money out of Chile before it turns into the next Venezuela. The entire city of Miami is basically one former insurance policy for well-off Latin Americans.


I think you know very little about Latin American politics, comparing the situation in Chile to Venezuela is moronic.
 
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Re: Four AA FAs arrested at MIA for money laundering

Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:28 pm

I would not be surprised at all if CBP and American Airlines knew beforehand about these individuals' business and they were just waiting for the right opportunity to catch them. This episode should not be news to everyone familiar with South American- based crews. A good deal of them make another salary on the side trading back and forth stuff to/from the US: from the inane such as electronics to be resold in their countries at a profit, fine clothing, etc. to the more compromising stuff such as we see today or gold, jewelry to be traded in the US, etc. There are even specific names for this trade (bagayo/bagayero in Argentina); can't recall know how it is called in Brazil (or at least how the VARIG crews used to call it, except the word begins with an "M")
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Re: Four AA FAs arrested at MIA for money laundering

Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:49 pm

Pyrex wrote:
11C wrote:
Pyrex wrote:
Probably someone trying to get their money out of Chile before it turns into the next Venezuela. The entire city of Miami is basically one former insurance policy for well-off Latin Americans.

What about Chile resembles Venezuela?


Nothing. Yet. But certain people sure seem hell-bent to change that.


Take the conspiracy theories to another thread, or forum.
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Re: Four AA FAs arrested at MIA for money laundering

Wed Oct 23, 2019 9:57 pm

This is what CBP is concerning themselves with? Drugs, human trafficking, and illegal immigration are running rampant but let's pick on some flight attendants for having money on them. CBP is just as useless and inept as the TSA.
 
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Re: Four AA FAs arrested at MIA for money laundering

Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:44 pm

grbauc wrote:
Agree also. Many law enforcement agency in the US have lost the Plot. To me this is some of the most egregious activity by our Government.


Hold on a minute there Conspiracy Carl. I was being sarcastic. Any time someone tries to get around customs by distributing more than $10K in cash among 4 people is going to throw up a red flag. Customs has every right to investigate this.
 
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Re: Four AA FAs arrested at MIA for money laundering

Wed Oct 23, 2019 11:53 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
This is what CBP is concerning themselves with? Drugs, human trafficking, and illegal immigration are running rampant but let's pick on some flight attendants for having money on them. CBP is just as useless and inept as the TSA.


What do you propose we use instead of CBP? There may actually be a better way; I don't know. Have you ever thought maybe sneaking large sums of cash past CBP might be related to other illegal activities?
 
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Re: Four AA FAs arrested at MIA for money laundering

Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:33 am

dmg626 wrote:
amax1977 wrote:
11C wrote:
How do you think they move the millions? Everybody takes new iPhones to sell for profit? Wouldn’t that require you to lie on the Chilean customs form, or pay a huge duty?


All I'm saying is all 4 FAs carried less than $10K each and even if it was a plan to bring in $22K, it's a minor violation and could be resolved with a warning or a fine. Definitely not something that 4 people should get arrested over it and jeopardize their reputations and jobs!


They admitted to the crime, Face the punishment like other adults.


They admitted to it, they did it for profit, they split the money thinking this avoided the law. Better to prosecute and give them jail time to send a message to the many flight attendants entering the U.S. each day. These fools can get free room and board for an extended period in a Federal facility.

The criminal consequences of failing to report cash are severe. Failing to make a report or making an inaccurate report by omitting or misstating a material fact in a report includes not only forfeiture of the money, but a fine ranging from $250,000 to $500,000 and jail time from 5 to 10 years.

It's not losing the plot - it's called enforcing money-laundering laws.
 
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Re: Four AA FAs arrested at MIA for money laundering

Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:42 am

dcajet wrote:
I would not be surprised at all if CBP and American Airlines knew beforehand about these individuals' business and they were just waiting for the right opportunity to catch them. This episode should not be news to everyone familiar with South American- based crews. A good deal of them make another salary on the side trading back and forth stuff to/from the US: from the inane such as electronics to be resold in their countries at a profit, fine clothing, etc. to the more compromising stuff such as we see today or gold, jewelry to be traded in the US, etc. There are even specific names for this trade (bagayo/bagayero in Argentina); can't recall know how it is called in Brazil (or at least how the VARIG crews used to call it, except the word begins with an "M")



Washington Post version of this story says they were smuggling the money for a "Known Person".
https://www.washingtonpost.com/transpor ... olice-say/
 
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Re: Four AA FAs arrested at MIA for money laundering

Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:43 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
This is what CBP is concerning themselves with? Drugs, human trafficking, and illegal immigration are running rampant but let's pick on some flight attendants for having money on them. CBP is just as useless and inept as the TSA.


Most likely this was not a random spot check by CBP but an ongoing investigation of the airline's staff that went public today with their detention. It happens more often than you'd imagine. The fact that they get involved in cases like this does not preclude them from focusing on what you'd like to see them focused. They are not mutually exclusive, you know?
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Re: Four AA FAs arrested at MIA for money laundering

Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:59 am

Elementalism wrote:
You arent required to declare money over 10k to customs agents. Him changing his declaration set this off. Will have to see what evidence, if any, they can uncover this is illegally laundered money. Being in possession of $9000 in cash does not make it illegal.


As already pointed out, yes you do. As long as you declare it and have a good reason for having a large amount there is no issue.


Brickell305 wrote:
If they planned to split it among themselves so that no one person would have to report, that's illegal whether they are related or not. That's structuring 101.


Structuring is the key, at that point the 4 are treated as "agents" of the person who actually owns the money and they are considered one group.

TTailedTiger wrote:
This is what CBP is concerning themselves with? Drugs, human trafficking, and illegal immigration are running rampant but let's pick on some flight attendants for having money on them. CBP is just as useless and inept as the TSA.


Errrrrr, if you drop something right in their laps what do you expect them to do.

Title 31 US code, have a read, it's fun...Honest.
 
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Re: Four AA FAs arrested at MIA for money laundering

Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:12 am

OccupiedLav wrote:
grbauc wrote:
Agree also. Many law enforcement agency in the US have lost the Plot. To me this is some of the most egregious activity by our Government.


Hold on a minute there Conspiracy Carl. I was being sarcastic. Any time someone tries to get around customs by distributing more than $10K in cash among 4 people is going to throw up a red flag. Customs has every right to investigate this.



Agree they do have a right to investigate but in a lot of cases government agency are abusing the seizure laws with little proof. Conspiracy No its a fact abuse is happening.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/un ... ty-n783841

"A March report by the Justice Department's Office of Inspector General pointed out that from 2007 to 2016, the Drug Enforcement Administration obtained forfeitures for $3.2 billion in cash seizures without charging the people they took it from."
 
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Re: Four AA FAs arrested at MIA for money laundering

Thu Oct 24, 2019 12:10 pm

Do they not need a trial? Or did they admit it?
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Re: Four AA FAs arrested at MIA for money laundering

Thu Oct 24, 2019 1:03 pm

Carrying 9k in cash is not a crime and need not be declared. If stopped by customs, if they ask how much cash you are carrying you can say less than 10k. They have a right to search, but if it is less than 10k, there is nothing they can do about it.

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