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AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:09 am

Given the LATAM developments with Delta, I was wondering if AA might consider expanding slightly out of NYC and specifically, JFK, to additional Latin America markets, like BOG, LIM, GYE, and perhaps adding a second daily JFK-GRU flight, perhaps on a 772 to compensate for the loss of code-shares with LATAM in these markets?

Does the A321-XLR change the narrative for more JFK flying in general?
 
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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:31 am

A321XLR is planned to operate some JFK routes. Seriously wouldn’t be surprised to see it operate some secondary Latin/South American markets. They’ve already begun a small Caribbean expansion this year.
 
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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:37 am

I doubt it. Yields on NYC-Northern South America are generally trash.
 
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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:46 am

Nothing AA has been doing recently indicates they are looking to expand JFK period.
 
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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:53 am

Actually American Airlines wants to Reduce or Eliminate all International Flights from JFK or Ending their Hub at JFK for Good. They are more focusing more on PHL, ORD and DFW than JFK.

MIA is an Latin American Hub for AA, so more like AA will expand from PHL, DFW, ORD, LAX and MIA to Latin American Countries than from JFK to Latin American Countries.
 
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Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:08 am

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Nothing AA has been doing recently indicates they are looking to expand JFK period.


Expands not the right word but AA is launching JFK-MBJ/LIR/SJO/GEO soon.
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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:32 am

Subwayfan1998 wrote:
Actually American Airlines wants to Reduce or Eliminate all International Flights from JFK or Ending their Hub at JFK for Good. They are more focusing more on PHL, ORD and DFW than JFK.


You sound like you're just spouting off points you've heard. This thread is more speculation.

And as a side note, please tone down the capitalization. It irks me to no end.
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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:36 am

Subwayfan1998 wrote:
Actually American Airlines wants to Reduce or Eliminate all International Flights from JFK or Ending their Hub at JFK for Good. They are more focusing more on PHL, ORD and DFW than JFK.

MIA is an Latin American Hub for AA, so more like AA will expand from PHL, DFW, ORD, LAX and MIA to Latin American Countries than from JFK to Latin American Countries.


You post is more or less gibberish.

That being said, I do not see much more AA capacity added out of JFK-South America (Brazil being the noticeable exception if the Brazilian economy improves- with possible additional frequencies to GRU, extension of the GIG season).

LIM was a route AA flew out of JFK in the past, can’t see it coming back.



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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:16 am

usflyer msp wrote:
I doubt it. Yields on NYC-Northern South America are generally trash.



If so why AA deploys it flagship 77W with true F class in GRU-JFK?
I don’t think so. But please give details.
 
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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:30 am

SJPBR wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
I doubt it. Yields on NYC-Northern South America are generally trash.



If so why AA deploys it flagship 77W with true F class in GRU-JFK?
I don’t think so. But please give details.

I don't think Sao Paulo is considered to be "Northern South America."
Everything north of LIM, sure.
 
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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:08 pm

Subwayfan1998 wrote:
Actually American Airlines wants to Reduce or Eliminate all International Flights from JFK or Ending their Hub at JFK for Good. They are more focusing more on PHL, ORD and DFW than JFK.

MIA is an Latin American Hub for AA, so more like AA will expand from PHL, DFW, ORD, LAX and MIA to Latin American Countries than from JFK to Latin American Countries.


Um, ok. Yes, they want to cut all routes from JFK, including the $1BN revenue route they share with BA. That's absolutely not true. They just want JFK to be a station focused on the O&D market they have from NY and not a connecting operation. Vasu Raja indicated in the Q2 call that JFK is profitable now that all longhauls are on one plane type, the 777. They've announced extending JFK-FCO by two months. AA at JFK is here to stay, though it won't ever be what everyone here dreams of. A massive 400+ daily flight operation that folks seem to think it once was. It never was that.
 
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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:09 pm

SJPBR wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
I doubt it. Yields on NYC-Northern South America are generally trash.



If so why AA deploys it flagship 77W with true F class in GRU-JFK?
I don’t think so. But please give details.


Sao Paulo is not Northern Latin America, but regardless, the statement that NYC-Northern South America yields are trash is just misinformed nonsense. It is a big market.
 
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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:15 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
SJPBR wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
I doubt it. Yields on NYC-Northern South America are generally trash.



If so why AA deploys it flagship 77W with true F class in GRU-JFK?
I don’t think so. But please give details.


Sao Paulo is not Northern Latin America, but regardless, the statement that NYC-Northern South America yields are trash is just misinformed nonsense. It is a big market.


A big market doesn’t mean yields aren’t trash!
 
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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:04 pm

HPRamper wrote:
SJPBR wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
I doubt it. Yields on NYC-Northern South America are generally trash.



If so why AA deploys it flagship 77W with true F class in GRU-JFK?
I don’t think so. But please give details.

I don't think Sao Paulo is considered to be "Northern South America."
Everything north of LIM, sure.



you are right! sorry
 
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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:15 pm

It is down to 75 or so flights

AA at JFK will have a token international presence going forward

They are squeezed by B6 domestically, DL internationally, UA and DL in NY dominance.

AA needs to have a presence in NY because of the airline they are.

Will it be as big as it was in the past? No

Will they stay the size they are now? Likely
not

I imagine a good chunk of their regional ops out of LGA are marginal. There will be some cutting back there in the future.

JFK, likewise, will likely see cuts to the regional side and non partner hubs in Europe.

All of the cuts above involve forfeiting slots. So if/when those cuts occur, it will likely be during the next downturn. Until then, they will hum along
 
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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:43 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
SJPBR wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
I doubt it. Yields on NYC-Northern South America are generally trash.



If so why AA deploys it flagship 77W with true F class in GRU-JFK?
I don’t think so. But please give details.


Sao Paulo is not Northern Latin America, but regardless, the statement that NYC-Northern South America yields are trash is just misinformed nonsense. It is a big market.


A large market that is hypercompetive, extremely price sensitive, and has little premium cabin demand. Despite similar distances to the shorter Europe flights, you can often find NYC-LIM and NYC-BOG for less than $500 in economy and less than $900 RT in premium cabins. That is pretty trashy to me.
 
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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:08 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
Subwayfan1998 wrote:
Actually American Airlines wants to Reduce or Eliminate all International Flights from JFK or Ending their Hub at JFK for Good. They are more focusing more on PHL, ORD and DFW than JFK.

MIA is an Latin American Hub for AA, so more like AA will expand from PHL, DFW, ORD, LAX and MIA to Latin American Countries than from JFK to Latin American Countries.


Um, ok. Yes, they want to cut all routes from JFK, including the $1BN revenue route they share with BA. That's absolutely not true. They just want JFK to be a station focused on the O&D market they have from NY and not a connecting operation. Vasu Raja indicated in the Q2 call that JFK is profitable now that all longhauls are on one plane type, the 777. They've announced extending JFK-FCO by two months. AA at JFK is here to stay, though it won't ever be what everyone here dreams of. A massive 400+ daily flight operation that folks seem to think it once was. It never was that.


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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:15 am

Ishrion wrote:
A321XLR is planned to operate some JFK routes. Seriously wouldn’t be surprised to see it operate some secondary Latin/South American markets. They’ve already begun a small Caribbean expansion this year.


So how have they started XLR ops when it's still in development?
 
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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:39 am

rbavfan wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
A321XLR is planned to operate some JFK routes. Seriously wouldn’t be surprised to see it operate some secondary Latin/South American markets. They’ve already begun a small Caribbean expansion this year.


So how have they started XLR ops when it's still in development?


Bad phrasing. AA has begun the expansion, not with the XLRs.
 
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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:56 am

jfklganyc wrote:
It is down to 75 or so flights

AA at JFK will have a token international presence going forward

They are squeezed by B6 domestically, DL internationally, UA and DL in NY dominance.

AA needs to have a presence in NY because of the airline they are.

Will it be as big as it was in the past? No

Will they stay the size they are now? Likely
not

I imagine a good chunk of their regional ops out of LGA are marginal. There will be some cutting back there in the future.

JFK, likewise, will likely see cuts to the regional side and non partner hubs in Europe.

All of the cuts above involve forfeiting slots. So if/when those cuts occur, it will likely be during the next downturn. Until then, they will hum along


Is T8 more than AA needs?
 
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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sun Oct 27, 2019 7:57 am

T8 is still really great for oneworld to get more carriers under one roof and make connections easier.
 
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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:55 am

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the statement that NYC-Northern South America yields are trash is just misinformed nonsense. It is a big market.

Big market doesn't equate to high-yield market.....
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:52 am

questions wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
It is down to 75 or so flights

AA at JFK will have a token international presence going forward

They are squeezed by B6 domestically, DL internationally, UA and DL in NY dominance.

AA needs to have a presence in NY because of the airline they are.

Will it be as big as it was in the past? No

Will they stay the size they are now? Likely
not

I imagine a good chunk of their regional ops out of LGA are marginal. There will be some cutting back there in the future.

JFK, likewise, will likely see cuts to the regional side and non partner hubs in Europe.

All of the cuts above involve forfeiting slots. So if/when those cuts occur, it will likely be during the next downturn. Until then, they will hum along


Is T8 more than AA needs?


I fly AA out of JFK pretty often and T8 is massive (the largest at JFK). It is fairly quiet and operations are spread out, with AA long haul international services mostly using the land side part of the terminal and domestic flights, including most of the LAX/SFO transcons using the mid-field portion of the terminal. British Airways and Iberia will eventually relocate from T7 into T8 at the end of 2021 (T7 is going to be torn down). Before the move, a $450 million project to add 5 gates and other facilities for BA are expected to happen, though I have seen no construction on my most recent trip through there this week. If Aer Lingus becomes a full oneworld member, then I could see them re-locate to T8. Japan Airlines will remain in T1 as they are one of four airlines that own it (AF, KE, LH being the other 3) but T1 is also slated to be demolished in the future and so I could see JL move to T8 either on a temporary or permanent basis. T8 is one of the nicest terminals at JFK given how spacious it is. It could use some better food outlets and supposedly, part of the $450 million upgrade will see improvements to the retail complex as well. With LATAM leaving oneworld, I would expect them to move out of T8 and relocate the GRU, SCL, GYE, and LIM flights to T4 with DL.
 
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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:26 pm

Food outlets and restrooms are much nicer in T5.

T4 has that spectacular shopping area

T8 is nice, but never finished (and it still wont be) and very empty

Once BA moves in, there will be a bit more life.

The lounges in T8 are spectacular. Because there are so few flights, they feel like private oasis’. Unlike the Delta Times Square-esque lounge in T4
 
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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:37 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
questions wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
It is down to 75 or so flights

AA at JFK will have a token international presence going forward

They are squeezed by B6 domestically, DL internationally, UA and DL in NY dominance.

AA needs to have a presence in NY because of the airline they are.

Will it be as big as it was in the past? No

Will they stay the size they are now? Likely
not

I imagine a good chunk of their regional ops out of LGA are marginal. There will be some cutting back there in the future.

JFK, likewise, will likely see cuts to the regional side and non partner hubs in Europe.

All of the cuts above involve forfeiting slots. So if/when those cuts occur, it will likely be during the next downturn. Until then, they will hum along


Is T8 more than AA needs?


I fly AA out of JFK pretty often and T8 is massive (the largest at JFK). It is fairly quiet and operations are spread out, with AA long haul international services mostly using the land side part of the terminal and domestic flights, including most of the LAX/SFO transcons using the mid-field portion of the terminal. British Airways and Iberia will eventually relocate from T7 into T8 at the end of 2021 (T7 is going to be torn down). Before the move, a $450 million project to add 5 gates and other facilities for BA are expected to happen, though I have seen no construction on my most recent trip through there this week. If Aer Lingus becomes a full oneworld member, then I could see them re-locate to T8. Japan Airlines will remain in T1 as they are one of four airlines that own it (AF, KE, LH being the other 3) but T1 is also slated to be demolished in the future and so I could see JL move to T8 either on a temporary or permanent basis. T8 is one of the nicest terminals at JFK given how spacious it is. It could use some better food outlets and supposedly, part of the $450 million upgrade will see improvements to the retail complex as well. With LATAM leaving oneworld, I would expect them to move out of T8 and relocate the GRU, SCL, GYE, and LIM flights to T4 with DL.


The food options at T8 need massive improvement, they are not good at all. Once EI joins the IAG/AA JV I would expect them to move to T8.



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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:37 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
questions wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
It is down to 75 or so flights

AA at JFK will have a token international presence going forward

They are squeezed by B6 domestically, DL internationally, UA and DL in NY dominance.

AA needs to have a presence in NY because of the airline they are.

Will it be as big as it was in the past? No

Will they stay the size they are now? Likely
not

I imagine a good chunk of their regional ops out of LGA are marginal. There will be some cutting back there in the future.

JFK, likewise, will likely see cuts to the regional side and non partner hubs in Europe.

All of the cuts above involve forfeiting slots. So if/when those cuts occur, it will likely be during the next downturn. Until then, they will hum along


Is T8 more than AA needs?


I fly AA out of JFK pretty often and T8 is massive (the largest at JFK). It is fairly quiet and operations are spread out, with AA long haul international services mostly using the land side part of the terminal and domestic flights, including most of the LAX/SFO transcons using the mid-field portion of the terminal. British Airways and Iberia will eventually relocate from T7 into T8 at the end of 2021 (T7 is going to be torn down). Before the move, a $450 million project to add 5 gates and other facilities for BA are expected to happen, though I have seen no construction on my most recent trip through there this week. If Aer Lingus becomes a full oneworld member, then I could see them re-locate to T8. Japan Airlines will remain in T1 as they are one of four airlines that own it (AF, KE, LH being the other 3) but T1 is also slated to be demolished in the future and so I could see JL move to T8 either on a temporary or permanent basis. T8 is one of the nicest terminals at JFK given how spacious it is. It could use some better food outlets and supposedly, part of the $450 million upgrade will see improvements to the retail complex as well. With LATAM leaving oneworld, I would expect them to move out of T8 and relocate the GRU, SCL, GYE, and LIM flights to T4 with DL.




Terminal 1 getting torn down ? Where did you get that questionable info ?

Terminal 1 is getting expanded on the present terminal 2 site and old Pan AM worldport Terminal 3 site. A huge expansion for T1 is what is happening. Terminal 1 is not going anywhere.
 
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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:23 pm

jfk777 wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
questions wrote:

Is T8 more than AA needs?


I fly AA out of JFK pretty often and T8 is massive (the largest at JFK). It is fairly quiet and operations are spread out, with AA long haul international services mostly using the land side part of the terminal and domestic flights, including most of the LAX/SFO transcons using the mid-field portion of the terminal. British Airways and Iberia will eventually relocate from T7 into T8 at the end of 2021 (T7 is going to be torn down). Before the move, a $450 million project to add 5 gates and other facilities for BA are expected to happen, though I have seen no construction on my most recent trip through there this week. If Aer Lingus becomes a full oneworld member, then I could see them re-locate to T8. Japan Airlines will remain in T1 as they are one of four airlines that own it (AF, KE, LH being the other 3) but T1 is also slated to be demolished in the future and so I could see JL move to T8 either on a temporary or permanent basis. T8 is one of the nicest terminals at JFK given how spacious it is. It could use some better food outlets and supposedly, part of the $450 million upgrade will see improvements to the retail complex as well. With LATAM leaving oneworld, I would expect them to move out of T8 and relocate the GRU, SCL, GYE, and LIM flights to T4 with DL.




Terminal 1 getting torn down ? Where did you get that questionable info ?

Terminal 1 is getting expanded on the present terminal 2 site and old Pan AM worldport Terminal 3 site. A huge expansion for T1 is what is happening. Terminal 1 is not going anywhere.


T1 will be replaced by a much larger structure that will also extend over the T2 site, which is now the oldest terminal in operation at the airport. This was all announced when the PANYNJ announced that T7 will be closed down and torn down with BA and IB moving to T8.

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Re: AA Expansion From JFK to Latin America?

Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:01 am

Cointrin330 wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:

I fly AA out of JFK pretty often and T8 is massive (the largest at JFK). It is fairly quiet and operations are spread out, with AA long haul international services mostly using the land side part of the terminal and domestic flights, including most of the LAX/SFO transcons using the mid-field portion of the terminal. British Airways and Iberia will eventually relocate from T7 into T8 at the end of 2021 (T7 is going to be torn down). Before the move, a $450 million project to add 5 gates and other facilities for BA are expected to happen, though I have seen no construction on my most recent trip through there this week. If Aer Lingus becomes a full oneworld member, then I could see them re-locate to T8. Japan Airlines will remain in T1 as they are one of four airlines that own it (AF, KE, LH being the other 3) but T1 is also slated to be demolished in the future and so I could see JL move to T8 either on a temporary or permanent basis. T8 is one of the nicest terminals at JFK given how spacious it is. It could use some better food outlets and supposedly, part of the $450 million upgrade will see improvements to the retail complex as well. With LATAM leaving oneworld, I would expect them to move out of T8 and relocate the GRU, SCL, GYE, and LIM flights to T4 with DL.


Terminal 1 getting torn down ? Where did you get that questionable info ?

Terminal 1 is getting expanded on the present terminal 2 site and old Pan AM worldport Terminal 3 site. A huge expansion for T1 is what is happening. Terminal 1 is not going anywhere.


T1 will be replaced by a much larger structure that will also extend over the T2 site, which is now the oldest terminal in operation at the airport. This was all announced when the PANYNJ announced that T7 will be closed down and torn down with BA and IB moving to T8.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/new-detai ... -and-more/


Thanks for providing the link which also includes links from the governor’s office(in the comments). It will be interesting to see all the relocations of airlines during construction of T8 and T5, with T1 seeming especially challenging. Whatever happened to the planned extension of T4A? It is absent in the renderings.
 
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Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:55 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
Food outlets and restrooms are much nicer in T5.

T4 has that spectacular shopping area

T8 is nice, but never finished (and it still wont be) and very empty

Once BA moves in, there will be a bit more life.

The lounges in T8 are spectacular. Because there are so few flights, they feel like private oasis’. Unlike the Delta Times Square-esque lounge in T4



How about the lounges in T5? How good are they?
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