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Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:36 am

A Southwest FA claims two pilots on a flight in 2017 placed a hidden camera in a lavatory. She is claiming she was harassed for bringing the matter to her superiors. It could open up a criminal investigation if the court finds credibility in her suit which would put the pilots in jeopardy of not only losing their jobs but possibly going to prison. Southwest had no comment on the pending litigation other then to say it doesn't put cameras in their bathrooms on airplanes.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/25/southwest ... ream-suit/

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/lo ... 458570001/
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:05 am

prank gone wrong?
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 5:46 am

Assuming that this is true, some people need to grow up and fly the plane.
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 5:58 am

So you are telling me in the height of the #metoo movement, Southwest supervisors shut down a female coworker making a complaint about a male in a position of power. :roll:

She didn't even file a police report as far as I can see so why did she wait two years to come to the media about it without reporting it to proper authorities?
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:23 am

SierraPacific wrote:
So you are telling me in the height of the #metoo movement, Southwest supervisors shut down a female coworker making a complaint about a male in a position of power. :roll:

She didn't even file a police report as far as I can see so why did she wait two years to come to the media about it without reporting it to proper authorities?

Something doesn't pass the smell test. A hidden camera in a restroom is a felony. If this happened then she should have reported them to the police as soon as they got to the terminal.
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:36 am

Isn't she just as liable for not reporting the crime?
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 1:47 pm

bennett123 wrote:
Assuming that this is true, some people need to grow up and fly the plane.


Hard to fly the plane from jail.
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:25 pm

I'm trying to envision how this trial would go:

FA - "I was in the cockpit and saw the bathroom camera"
Atty - "That's a federal crime right, did you report it?"
FA - "Well, no"
Atty - "Do you have evidence of this or are you just relying on your memory from 3 years ago?"
FA - "No evidence, just old memories"
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:27 pm

seven3seven wrote:
prank gone wrong?



We have a winner !
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:36 pm

If you read thoroughly the above 2 articles, it clearly states:
1. The F/A saw the tablet open and the Captain in the lav. It does not state if he had exposed himself by urinating on camera, but she saw him.
2. She took a picture of the device on her own cellphone during the F/O's attempt to explain it was a new security feature.
3. She reported it to other crewmembers on the flight and they in turn reported it to management staff upon landing in PHX.
4. She likely followed protocol we all would follow by notifying management first and simply not rushing to call the police.
5. She is now filing a lawsuit, in conjuction with her fellow F/A husband because of harassment and tactics that have occurred to them for the last 2 years, including increased performance reviews.
6. It is not indicated if she or her husband are still employed, but both pilots are, and they filed the lawsuit for an apparent failure of WN to pursue or investigate the incident further, and the resulting scrutiny of them on the job.
7. The live streaming was either set up as a poor and bad joke gone wrong like stupid teenagers, or in the vein of the "fun" Southwest spirit, or the Captain was a flirty exhibitionist creating a hostile work environment situation bordering on sexual harassment. Why did the F/O become so nervous and upset? Her shocked reaction? He likely knew some crap was going to hit the fan.....
8. The pilots hastily deplaned in PHX, but did not leave the A/C in violation of any WN policy. They likely wanted to avoid any further interaction with the crew including an apology.
We weren't on the plane, and have no idea what interactions further occurred during the remainder of the flight. I would assume a bit tense, hence the pilots rapid exit from the aircraft.
An additional article is now posted on USA Today with the same versions of events as above.
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:41 pm

At the moment, this is just allegations in a lawsuit without any corroboration whatsoever. Like, none. The lawsuit said that she saw this on an iPad mounted to the airplane. And the complaint contains all sorts of melodramatic statements about the FO being "embarrassed", and trying to explain it as a security feature, etc. She also says that the flight deck crew, "against policy", fled the aircraft immediately upon landing.

The fact is that there is no way to know from the story whether it is true. We know that even some professionals have been jammed up in recent years over putting cameras in bathrooms to watch people do their bathroom thing. How that is a turn-on is beyond me, but there's no question that it has happened. Similarly, we know that many people in employment situations have made up the most scandalous stories about bosses and co-workers, which have turned out to be complete and total BS.

Taking one side or the other is just purely based on one's own bias in analysis.

However, the one thing that strikes me is that some of her story should be provable or disprovable. Had anyone on the captain's prior flights ever noticed and previously-reported anything weird in the restroom? Did the captain duck into the restroom again to get the camera out before leaving the aircraft? If not, was it inspected at some point and a camera found? Is it even possible with those cockpit iPads to set up something like this, or are they locked against the kind of apps that can do this, etc? There should be some method of finding some objective facts.

And sometimes as a lawyer one has to make sure one consults all the folks they need to when trying to prove facts. I read a decision in a lawsuit against a hospitality establishment a while back. Basic "shorted me on hours in my paycheck" case. The plaintiff showed the court her paycheck and the hours on it, and the little slips of her punch-ins and punch-outs on the Aloha POS system the company used. She had saved every checkout slip from the system for years (whereas most servers just toss them). Pretty clear the hours were massively-different. One issue in the case was who at the employer had changed the hours in Aloha, because the company had turned over Aloha data which matched the payroll, not the checkout slips. Through the whole case, the "who" was never admitted-to and no data was produced to show it. I read the decision and said to myself: "Idiots." Having installed that system in restaurants I used to be a partner in, its major advantage is that it creates a bulletproof, non-changeable, secure audit trail in great detail. It records every single thing done at any terminal or computer, and notes by whom and when for everything. If the lawyers had spoken anyone familiar with the software's management tools, it would have taken 5 seconds to determine who made the changes. The server wouldn't know that, just like the FA here wouldn't know WN's security procedures, so it seems plausible that such a camera would be discovered and documented if the pilots didn't grab it up immediately.
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:09 pm

SierraPacific wrote:
So you are telling me in the height of the #metoo movement, Southwest supervisors shut down a female coworker making a complaint about a male in a position of power. :roll:

She didn't even file a police report as far as I can see so why did she wait two years to come to the media about it without reporting it to proper authorities?


Not necessarily, from what I was reading it seems she reported to the company, which would be following protocol most likely. It would be up to the airline to pursue it, and investigate.
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:12 pm

I heard that the pilot's name was Borat. During his interview he said that his former employers would say that he did that but only because they are liars.
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:15 pm

dmg626 wrote:
seven3seven wrote:
prank gone wrong?



We have a winner !


Sorry....don't agree.....a "prank" is something that is done in fun and everyone ends up laughing a the outcome (including the victim)…….this was no "prank"....only "wrong"...
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:39 pm

I doubt that any of this happened as reported. More fake news to stir the SWA pot. Pictures or it did not happen.
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 4:48 pm

BravoOne wrote:
Pictures or it did not happen.

Yes, we'll... according to the linked articles, the court filings indicate that there are pictures.
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:35 pm

Unbelievable how gullible the media and some in society are. That prank is as old as the hills, there are no cameras. Prerecord yourself in the lav, let the FA see it later like it were live. No harm, no "exposure" - and apparently no sense of humor.
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:13 pm

Aaah. This is going to get good.

We had one jump up and down over the wing one time on a ferry flight because the gear was stuck.

Ya know there’s a few things in this job that make it fun. Keep it light hearted. Laugh a little.

Hope these guys don’t get into trouble.
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:30 pm

barney captain wrote:
Unbelievable how gullible the media and some in society are.


The media is reporting the facts of a court case. If you know different, maybe you should appear as a witness to explain to the judge how this "prank" works.
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 8:35 pm

"Boys will be boys, sexual harassment is just what happens LOL!" - this thread

It's the 21st century and there is no room for creepers or sexual harassment. If the claims are investigated and found to be true, hope they get fired and arrested for voyeurism.
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:00 pm

spacecadet wrote:
barney captain wrote:
Unbelievable how gullible the media and some in society are.


The media is reporting the facts of a court case. If you know different, maybe you should appear as a witness to explain to the judge how this "prank" works.


Maybe you should re-read my post.
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:28 pm

Anyone who still thinks that, in 2019, these “pranks” are a good idea needs a swift kick in the nads as a reality check
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:02 pm

Southwest says they don't put cameras in bathrooms.
Ya, great answer. Whoever came up with that response is an idiot.
The issue is whether they did a thorough investigation to the allegation of a serious crime.
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:08 pm

airportugal310 wrote:
Anyone who still thinks that, in 2019, these “pranks” are a good idea needs a swift kick in the nads as a reality check



The irony is it happened almost three years ago, and she is just now taking it to court.
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:15 pm

DenverTed wrote:
Southwest says they don't put cameras in bathrooms.
Ya, great answer. Whoever came up with that response is an idiot.
The issue is whether they did a thorough investigation to the allegation of a serious crime.


What crime? Its a stupid (admittedly) prank where one records themselves earlier in the lav (no revealing views) and lets the intended target "discover" it later when the prankster again use the facilities - making them think it's a live feed instead of recorded video. The only person recorded was the person doing the prank.

A prank as old as the hills (or at least as old as cameras on phones) and hardly unique to one airline.

How the media doesn't understand any of that is unbelievable.
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:20 pm

How could anyone see anything from such a camera? You barely have enough room to get your pants down in those bathrooms, and virtually no free space between you and the walls. I imagine the camera showing the mole on the back of your knee, or the part in your hair in extreme close detail if the camera were positioned above. But I cant see how you position a camera back far enough to catch much of anything else.

Haven't these pilots heard of pornhub?
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:39 pm

JAAlbert wrote:
How could anyone see anything from such a camera? You barely have enough room to get your pants down in those bathrooms, and virtually no free space between you and the walls. I imagine the camera showing the mole on the back of your knee, or the part in your hair in extreme close detail if the camera were positioned above. But I cant see how you position a camera back far enough to catch much of anything else.

Haven't these pilots heard of pornhub?


Good lord - THERE WAS NO CAMERA.
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:18 pm

Southwest said it will vigorously defend the lawsuit.

"When the incident happened two years ago, we investigated the allegations and addressed the situation with the crew involved," the company said through a spokesperson Saturday. "We can confirm from our investigation that there was never a camera in the lavatory; the incident was an inappropriate attempt at humor which the company did not condone."



https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/so ... d-video-...
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:23 pm

barney captain wrote:
DenverTed wrote:
Southwest says they don't put cameras in bathrooms.
Ya, great answer. Whoever came up with that response is an idiot.
The issue is whether they did a thorough investigation to the allegation of a serious crime.


What crime? Its a stupid (admittedly) prank where one records themselves earlier in the lav (no revealing views) and lets the intended target "discover" it later when the prankster again use the facilities - making them think it's a live feed instead of recorded video. The only person recorded was the person doing the prank.

A prank as old as the hills (or at least as old as cameras on phones) and hardly unique to one airline.

How the media doesn't understand any of that is unbelievable.

Just waiting for the Southwest press release to explain that one. Even if the pilots are cleared of the crime of bathroom photos, then Southwest is part of a workplace dispute of hazing and retaliation.
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:25 pm

DenverTed wrote:
barney captain wrote:
DenverTed wrote:
Southwest says they don't put cameras in bathrooms.
Ya, great answer. Whoever came up with that response is an idiot.
The issue is whether they did a thorough investigation to the allegation of a serious crime.


What crime? Its a stupid (admittedly) prank where one records themselves earlier in the lav (no revealing views) and lets the intended target "discover" it later when the prankster again use the facilities - making them think it's a live feed instead of recorded video. The only person recorded was the person doing the prank.

A prank as old as the hills (or at least as old

as cameras on phones) and hardly unique to one airline.

How the media doesn't understand any of that is unbelievable.

Just waiting for the Southwest press release to explain that one. Even if the pilots are cleared of the crime of bathroom photos, then Southwest is part of a workplace dispute of hazing and retaliation.


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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:27 pm

BravoOne wrote:
I doubt that any of this happened as reported. More fake news to stir the SWA pot. Pictures or it did not happen.


Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstien would love it if it was that simple.
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:54 pm

Wow...
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:13 am

barney captain wrote:
JAAlbert wrote:
How could anyone see anything from such a camera? You barely have enough room to get your pants down in those bathrooms, and virtually no free space between you and the walls. I imagine the camera showing the mole on the back of your knee, or the part in your hair in extreme close detail if the camera were positioned above. But I cant see how you position a camera back far enough to catch much of anything else.

Haven't these pilots heard of pornhub?


Good lord - THERE WAS NO CAMERA.


They weren’t paying attention to flying either, apparently. Immature bathroom pranks in the cockpit. Really makes me feel absolutely safe.
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:14 am

barney captain wrote:
Unbelievable how gullible the media and some in society are. That prank is as old as the hills, there are no cameras. Prerecord yourself in the lav, let the FA see it later like it were live. No harm, no "exposure" - and apparently no sense of humor.


barney captain wrote:
JAAlbert wrote:
How could anyone see anything from such a camera? You barely have enough room to get your pants down in those bathrooms, and virtually no free space between you and the walls. I imagine the camera showing the mole on the back of your knee, or the part in your hair in extreme close detail if the camera were positioned above. But I cant see how you position a camera back far enough to catch much of anything else.

Haven't these pilots heard of pornhub?


Good lord - THERE WAS NO CAMERA.

Looks like this is a very touchy subject for you.

We know you work at WN and want to defend your employer; it's very understandable and laudable.
However, WN, like any large companies, have bad apples within their roster; if this indeed happened, that doesn't mean all WN employees are bad.

Let's see what the evidence and the courts say. Waiting 3 years is not necessarily an indication of "making up" this issue, they had to gather the evidence of being stalked (and that takes time).
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:16 am

BravoOne wrote:
I doubt that any of this happened as reported. More fake news to stir the SWA pot. Pictures or it did not happen.

Fake news=news we’d rather not believe. Junk science=science we’d rather not believe. Reality=something we can litigate endlessly.
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:19 am

11C wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
I doubt that any of this happened as reported. More fake news to stir the SWA pot. Pictures or it did not happen.

Fake news=news we’d rather not believe. Junk science=science we’d rather not believe. Reality=something we can litigate endlessly.

Well some news is simply false , or misleading, and some “science” is just propaganda used to push certain agendas. However I’m sure this has merit
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:02 am

barney captain wrote:
Unbelievable how gullible the media and some in society are. That prank is as old as the hills, there are no cameras. Prerecord yourself in the lav, let the FA see it later like it were live. No harm, no "exposure" - and apparently no sense of humor.


Unbelievable how crass some employees of Southwest are. Do you have to be a redneck to work there? I remember several years ago, a conversation was recorded in a Southwest cockpit (stuck mic or something) and one of the pilots who was married was rambling on and on some homophobic rants because he couldn’t get laid because the cabin crew were gay men and unattractive (according to him) women.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/pilots-rant-f ... d=13903790
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:26 am

CaptCoolHand wrote:
Aaah. This is going to get good.
We had one jump up and down over the wing one time on a ferry flight because the gear was stuck.
Ya know there’s a few things in this job that make it fun. Keep it light hearted. Laugh a little.


Because humiliating your colleagues and making them feel stupid is fun. Before I joined the industry, I respected pilots. Many, not all, of them are entitled, immature, mean-spirited, overpaid jerks. (Well, they are all overpaid, but that's a different subject.). Not surprised at all by this story or the hilarity the bullies find in it.
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:39 am

twinotter wrote:
CaptCoolHand wrote:
Aaah. This is going to get good.
We had one jump up and down over the wing one time on a ferry flight because the gear was stuck.
Ya know there’s a few things in this job that make it fun. Keep it light hearted. Laugh a little.


Because humiliating your colleagues and making them feel stupid is fun. Before I joined the industry, I respected pilots. Many, not all, of them are entitled, immature, mean-spirited, overpaid jerks. (Well, they are all overpaid, but that's a different subject.). Not surprised at all by this story or the hilarity the bullies find in it.



If you think pilots are bad, wait until you are around literally any high paying professional. Doctors, Lawyers, and executives all do the exact same things as pilots.

I really hope you never have to go to a hospital because guess what, Doctors prank nurses all the time since everyone can't be deadly serious for 12 hours straight.

(100k worth of loans and being successful enough to get a job at Southwest allows for a person to be cocky because, without that, you are never going to make it to Southwest)
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:54 am

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If you think pilots are bad, wait until you are around literally any high paying professional. Doctors, Lawyers, and executives all do the exact same things as pilots.


Pilots are bus drivers in a machine with wings. Compare HCP Online Physician Forums with Airline Pilot Central.
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:58 am

426Shadow wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
I doubt that any of this happened as reported. More fake news to stir the SWA pot. Pictures or it did not happen.


Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstien would love it if it was that simple.



I know a ;little about HW from personal perspective. No question he is a creep.
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:16 am

This is nothing compared to some of the tales you'll hear in the jumpseat.
شما می توانید مردم را تحریم کنید ، اما نمی توانید سبک تحریم را اعمال کنید

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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:28 am

It does seem odd however that two pilots , unless they are long time friends etc, that just happen to be scheduled together would be in on such a scheme. I mean, you have to to secretly place a camera in a discrete location, and then set up a link between camera and iPad A that works at altitude. Obviously southwest aircraft are WiFi capable . If it is true however maybe , just maybe it was a safety thing that wasn’t discussed, simply to monitor the pilots well being etc while away from cockpit duty. I mean medical emergencies can happen etc. still strange none the less .
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:31 am

Karlsands wrote:
It does seem odd however that two pilots , unless they are long time friends etc, that just happen to be scheduled together would be in on such a scheme. I mean, you have to to secretly place a camera in a discrete location, and then set up a link between camera and iPad A that works at altitude. Obviously southwest aircraft are WiFi capable . If it is true however maybe , just maybe it was a safety thing that wasn’t discussed, simply to monitor the pilots well being etc while away from cockpit duty. I mean medical emergencies can happen etc. still strange none the less .


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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:03 am

twinotter wrote:
SierraPacific wrote:


If you think pilots are bad, wait until you are around literally any high paying professional. Doctors, Lawyers, and executives all do the exact same things as pilots.


Pilots are bus drivers in a machine with wings. Compare HCP Online Physician Forums with Airline Pilot Central.


My 3.7 degree from a great university and my hundreds of hours flight training are a bit more than what the average MARTA driver has but I hope you voice your opinion to the people that are flying you the next time you go to the airport. Do you know how many hours of work it requires to even get to the regional level either through being a military aviator or studying for years in a flight school environment?

No, you don't because you are ignorant of the training standards that a commercial airline pilot is held to and have a prior bone to pick with pilots for some reason unrelated to this conversation.

We are straying off topic though so I will not lengthen this thread trying to correct your misconceptions about my career path
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:13 am

VS11 wrote:
barney captain wrote:
Unbelievable how gullible the media and some in society are. That prank is as old as the hills, there are no cameras. Prerecord yourself in the lav, let the FA see it later like it were live. No harm, no "exposure" - and apparently no sense of humor.


Unbelievable how crass some employees of Southwest are. Do you have to be a redneck to work there? I remember several years ago, a conversation was recorded in a Southwest cockpit (stuck mic or something) and one of the pilots who was married was rambling on and on some homophobic rants because he couldn’t get laid because the cabin crew were gay men and unattractive (according to him) women.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/pilots-rant-f ... d=13903790


That was pretty poor behavior too. Perhaps these are the same Southwest pilots.
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:40 am

kiowa wrote:
VS11 wrote:
barney captain wrote:
Unbelievable how gullible the media and some in society are. That prank is as old as the hills, there are no cameras. Prerecord yourself in the lav, let the FA see it later like it were live. No harm, no "exposure" - and apparently no sense of humor.


Unbelievable how crass some employees of Southwest are. Do you have to be a redneck to work there? I remember several years ago, a conversation was recorded in a Southwest cockpit (stuck mic or something) and one of the pilots who was married was rambling on and on some homophobic rants because he couldn’t get laid because the cabin crew were gay men and unattractive (according to him) women.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/pilots-rant-f ... d=13903790


That was pretty poor behavior too. Perhaps these are the same Southwest pilots.



and the fact that barney captain thinks it's all laughable... it says EVERYTHING about the CULT we work for ... same can be said for WN operating an alternate fleet type. They've NO CLUE what they're doing outside of the 737 ( and barely that)... but you know, profit equals intelligence and experience, just like society. Let's get one thing clear, MONEY is NOT equatable to knowledge... PERIOD.
ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
 
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:14 am

SierraPacific wrote:
twinotter wrote:
SierraPacific wrote:


If you think pilots are bad, wait until you are around literally any high paying professional. Doctors, Lawyers, and executives all do the exact same things as pilots.


Pilots are bus drivers in a machine with wings. Compare HCP Online Physician Forums with Airline Pilot Central.


My 3.7 degree from a great university and my hundreds of hours flight training are a bit more than what the average MARTA driver has but I hope you voice your opinion to the people that are flying you the next time you go to the airport. Do you know how many hours of work it requires to even get to the regional level either through being a military aviator or studying for years in a flight school environment?

No, you don't because you are ignorant of the training standards that a commercial airline pilot is held to and have a prior bone to pick with pilots for some reason unrelated to this conversation.

We are straying off topic though so I will not lengthen this thread trying to correct your misconceptions about my career path


Pilots do have more training than bus drivers, but in the end do the same job. (Of course, bus drivers don't have autopilot.) Interesting that that observation triggered you, but the guy making his crew jump up and down to ostensibly prevent a crash did not. Bus drivers don't have PIC authority to bully, which is the point of this thread.

Congratulations on your GPA from somewhere great but not great enough to name.
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:28 am

twinotter wrote:
SierraPacific wrote:
twinotter wrote:

Pilots are bus drivers in a machine with wings. Compare HCP Online Physician Forums with Airline Pilot Central.


My 3.7 degree from a great university and my hundreds of hours flight training are a bit more than what the average MARTA driver has but I hope you voice your opinion to the people that are flying you the next time you go to the airport. Do you know how many hours of work it requires to even get to the regional level either through being a military aviator or studying for years in a flight school environment?

No, you don't because you are ignorant of the training standards that a commercial airline pilot is held to and have a prior bone to pick with pilots for some reason unrelated to this conversation.

We are straying off topic though so I will not lengthen this thread trying to correct your misconceptions about my career path


Pilots do have more training than bus drivers, but in the end do the same job. Interesting that that observation triggered you, but the guy making his crew jump up and down to ostensibly prevent a crash did not.

Congratulations on your GPA from somewhere great but not great enough to name.


It did bother me, I am completely on your side that respecting coworkers is a very important part of the workplace and the key to a healthy workplace environment but I just didn't respond to the OP since you had already done that. I would never do such a thing since it demeans someone and takes away from their role as a safety professional. I just disagree with your opinion of my career but I cannot change that in a limited discussion over A.net and every person is entitled to their own opinion.

Also, if the allegations that are leveled against these two pilots in this lawsuit are true. I hope that they face full disciplinary action since they make the entire profession look bad. My original comment at the top of the post explains that the timing of the lawsuit is a bit weird since both pilots would have committed a felony so reporting it to the police immediately would have been more than appropriate but I digress.
 
JAAlbert
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Re: Southwest pilots allegedly placed hidden camera in lavatory

Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:47 am

barney captain wrote:


Good lord - THERE WAS NO CAMERA.


Thanks for screaming. And what? Did I miss something? The article alleges she saw live streaming video from the pilot's iPad while he was in the lavatory.

Ah, I now see the SWA post (after mine) in which the airline says it was all a prank. If that is so (the link to the 3d article isn't working), it makes the pilots' behavior only incrementally less offensive. The conduct is still outrageous -- those guys actually had to plan and work this whole thing out to pull it off. And, given that it involves a purported surreptitious camera hidden in the lav, a stunt that has victimized women in other situations, this is an easy sex harassment case. But the real question becomes, if this is a "prank," what sort of juvenile pilots are these? What kind of man thinks this is all in good fun? And who is flying the damn plane through all this nonsense?

Feel free to scream your replies.

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