Checklist787 wrote:flipdewaf wrote:Checklist787 wrote:So for narrow body aircraft the 2 class figures go as high as 243 (as shown on the 757 wiki page).
The lowest 2 class capacity for a wide bodies airliner is 214 for the 767.
As the numbers posted by Mr Ostrower (180-210) fall Entirely within the Single aisle window and Entirely outside the Twin aisle window then I feel it falls upon you to demonstrate why this should point towards a twin aisle solution rather than obfuscation. There are a few fanboys on this site who seem to behave similarly to yourself (probably less fanbiys than the number of fanboy usernames), I don't mind fanboys (I'd include Revelation as a fanboy but he conducts himself very well) but I love arguing.
You need to see my answer to BaconButty.
I do not like arguingflipdewaf wrote:You appear to suggest that the 2-class examples given are not representative of what would be expected in terms of seats/area for the FSA which is fine. What is your reasonable expectation on this measure and where have you derived this from? What are the current 2 class capacities for the aforementioned aircraft with which we are making the comparisons?
In fact there are several 2-class type
- In a widebody jet, what is called Premium seat generally a pitch of 36-38 inch pitch, are neither more or less than the First / Business seats of a narrowbody.
For example, the A321neo Airbus ACAP has 16 seats in First @ 36 in pitch ...
(2 + 2)
According to J. Ostrower/WSJ
If the "non-narrowbody" FSA-8X concept, carries 2-class 180 seats, I see several types of 2-class / new opportunities for different arrangement
If it's a 7-abreast,
1. Business seat / 4-5 Abreast @ 36 to 60 " pitch
2. In Premium Seat / 6 Abreast @
36-38 " pitch
1. The flexibility and the opportunity offered for customers
We also understand
2. Like the A330's / 767's - Airbus /Boeing ACAPS the Twin-Aisle FSA-X'will also fit Business seat @ 60in pitch
Which translates to 180-210 seats in Business and not in Business Premium @ 36 in pitch like many Narrowbody arrangement (A320neo family / 737MAX family)...
The FSA-8X concept, seems to carry "only" 2-class 180 seats / Business seats @ 60 in pitch for 5-6 hours missions
A LCC configuration might well accommodate 2-class 210 / Business seats @ 36 in pitch à la narrowbody too !
For the Strech FSA-9X concept there would be 2-class 210 / Business seats @ 60 in pitch
but, also 2-class 240 / Business seats @ 36 in pitch.
3/4 of the airlines will operate FSA's LCC's missions à la narrowbody too !
We must distinguish the two things
IMO, no interest for Boeing to offer / something that looks like 737MAX for NOW
Remember that Boeing presented the 787 Dreamliner as a little widebody jet that could carry 210 seats to 290 seats from 2003 to 2006.
"Little jet with a big airplane range"
- According to Boeing
Who remember that?
So, it seems the notional "little / Small-jet" for Boeing, represent something new not necessary a "vulgar" "New-Narrowbody",
Why Boeing had not called more logically the
"Futur Narrowbody Airplane" (FNA)
if is true??
The FSA concept seems "Small / Little" but not a all-New Narrowbody jet in the Boeing jargon
I hope had answered correctly your questions
Well not really, you have talked an awful lot and not provided any real information. You yourself stated single class 270 seats. Mr Ostrower stayed 180 to 210 and nowhere has it been stated the density would be outside of the norms for which Boeing currently market aircraft, you appear to have constructed a narrative to fit your wishes rather than look at the information and derive conclusions.
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