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IndiGo: China key focus in its international expansion spree

Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:15 am

Budget carrier IndiGo will aggressively focus on China and other Southeast Asian nations to boost the airline's international network, with the possibility to fly to another Chinese destination "early next year", per William Boulter, Chief Commercial Officer of IndiGo.

"We are looking at some of the destinations in China where there is less competitive capacity, like Guangzhou and Chengdu..."

He added that IndiGo expects China to be a large contributor to its international network going ahead.


Great move :champagne:

Glad to see 6E finally pushing up China-India air connectivity from the Indian side when Chinese airlines have long exhausted their own flight quota of a mere 42 weekly frequencies as set down in the bilateral, leaving 6E enormous leverage for further expansion into China.

Interesting to note which Chinese city will be picked next following the launch of CTU and CAN.

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Re: IndiGo: China key focus in its international expansion spree

Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:20 am

IndiGo has been extremely aggressive in India. Let s see how they perform when faced with Chinese carriers.
 
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Re: IndiGo: China key focus in its international expansion spree

Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:23 am

Although India and China are neighbouring countries with a joint population of over 2.5 billion, the Himalayas ensure that they have historically had nothing to do with each other.

Not surprised in the slightest at the relative paucity of frequencies thus far.
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Re: IndiGo: China key focus in its international expansion spree

Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:48 am

Rumor in the market says Indigo is close to an order for at laeast 300 Airbus A320 family...
 
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Re: IndiGo: China key focus in its international expansion spree

Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:54 am

China India is already vastly overserved as it is--the bigger question is whether the political/economic environment underpinning the service is set to expand in a meaningful way.
Zoedyn wrote:
[i]Budget carrier IndiGo will aggressively focus on China and other Southeast Asian nations to boost the airline's international network, with the possibility to fly to another Chinese destination "early next year", per William Boulter, Chief Commercial Officer of IndiGo.

Boulter was at Jet Airways too
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Re: IndiGo: China key focus in its international expansion spree

Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:21 am

Zoedyn wrote:
[i]Interesting to note which Chinese city will be picked next following the launch of CTU and CAN.

IndiaTimes

KMG should be a strong candidate.
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Re: IndiGo: China key focus in its international expansion spree

Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:55 am

Asiaflyer wrote:
Rumor in the market says Indigo is close to an order for at laeast 300 Airbus A320 family...


you are right! https://www.reuters.com/article/us-indi ... SKBN1X80XC
 
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Re: IndiGo: China key focus in its international expansion spree

Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:00 am

Even with such a huge population, it’s not really the strongest of market combinations out there.

It has the potential to build significantly, but what those ingredients are to grow that in the near term is harder to pinpoint.
 
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Re: IndiGo: China key focus in its international expansion spree

Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:09 pm

I think it's going to fail, for now, India- China market is still far too fragmented and Indian carriers can't connect many pairs of cities even with narrowbodies! Plus the Geopolitical situation is volatile at best. Not to mention flying Indigo for 5+ hours is torture. Rather better to connect with a decent airline.
 
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Re: IndiGo: China key focus in its international expansion spree

Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:14 pm

sibibom wrote:
Not to mention flying Indigo for 5+ hours is torture. Rather better to connect with a decent airline.

American LCCs fly 100s of transcon flights (5 hrs+) daily. I don't see why Indians won't fly similar distances in an LCC.
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:45 pm

unrave wrote:
sibibom wrote:
Not to mention flying Indigo for 5+ hours is torture. Rather better to connect with a decent airline.

American LCCs fly 100s of transcon flights (5 hrs+) daily. I don't see why Indians won't fly similar distances in an LCC.


But American LCCs are much cheaper than legacies. Indigo isn't, especially with subsided Chinese carriers and southeast Asian LCCs all offering hot food, some form of entertainment in many cases, free baggage, better leg room etc.
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:55 pm

unrave wrote:
sibibom wrote:
Not to mention flying Indigo for 5+ hours is torture. Rather better to connect with a decent airline.

American LCCs fly 100s of transcon flights (5 hrs+) daily. I don't see why Indians won't fly similar distances in an LCC.

I think the Indian market has definitely spoken so clearly that one premium carrier is out of business, and another one would be were it not for its state support
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Re: IndiGo: China key focus in its international expansion spree

Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:26 pm

Pakistan reliably closing its airspace plus the high growth rates of E/SE Asian economies will ensure future growth will happen in that direction.

Cities such as Kolkata, Gauhati etc are underserved so this should be a welcome addition for them.
 
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Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:18 am

vadodara wrote:
Pakistan reliably closing its airspace plus the high growth rates of E/SE Asian economies will ensure future growth will happen in that direction.

Cities such as Kolkata, Gauhati etc are underserved so this should be a welcome addition for them.


The Chinese full service carriers will undercut Indigo by offering a wide body aircraft with more space to stretch out, a meal, and more leg room than low cost Indigo. Further Air China et all also offer onward connections to China and the rest of the world. The ONLY way that Indigo can compete is to operate on routes between India and China not operated by Chinese airlines.
 
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Re: IndiGo: China key focus in its international expansion spree

Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:45 am

edealinfo wrote:
vadodara wrote:
Pakistan reliably closing its airspace plus the high growth rates of E/SE Asian economies will ensure future growth will happen in that direction.

Cities such as Kolkata, Gauhati etc are underserved so this should be a welcome addition for them.


The Chinese full service carriers will undercut Indigo by offering a wide body aircraft with more space to stretch out, a meal, and more leg room than low cost Indigo. Further Air China et all also offer onward connections to China and the rest of the world. The ONLY way that Indigo can compete is to operate on routes between India and China not operated by Chinese airlines.


Atleas one, Hainan, walked away from a wide-body. Let's see how this play's out. For the rest, pls. check out this thread:

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1434035
 
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Re: IndiGo: China key focus in its international expansion spree

Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:13 am

vadodara wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
vadodara wrote:
Pakistan reliably closing its airspace plus the high growth rates of E/SE Asian economies will ensure future growth will happen in that direction.

Cities such as Kolkata, Gauhati etc are underserved so this should be a welcome addition for them.


The Chinese full service carriers will undercut Indigo by offering a wide body aircraft with more space to stretch out, a meal, and more leg room than low cost Indigo. Further Air China et all also offer onward connections to China and the rest of the world. The ONLY way that Indigo can compete is to operate on routes between India and China not operated by Chinese airlines.


Atleas one, Hainan, walked away from a wide-body. Let's see how this play's out. For the rest, pls. check out this thread:

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1434035


Hainan walked out ONLY because it is part of larger conglomerate that went through severe financial pressure. Read up on the parent group.
 
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Re: IndiGo: China key focus in its international expansion spree

Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:54 am

What's the current bilateral agreement between India and China??

Visa requirements can be a problem also, but the potential market is huge and I think slowly they will build up and they will succeed slowly.


edealinfo wrote:
vadodara wrote:
Pakistan reliably closing its airspace plus the high growth rates of E/SE Asian economies will ensure future growth will happen in that direction.

Cities such as Kolkata, Gauhati etc are underserved so this should be a welcome addition for them.


The Chinese full service carriers will undercut Indigo by offering a wide body aircraft with more space to stretch out, a meal, and more leg room than low cost Indigo. Further Air China et all also offer onward connections to China and the rest of the world. The ONLY way that Indigo can compete is to operate on routes between India and China not operated by Chinese airlines.



I am sure they will try, but it's not easy, you can check the examples in USA or Europe, the low cost started taking market share and the competition was fierce but they both adapt. Chinese airlines are bleeding money on international routes, so starting a war undercutting even more the fares is not the best idea.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1434035
 
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Re: IndiGo: China key focus in its international expansion spree

Wed Oct 30, 2019 3:12 pm

migair54 wrote:



edealinfo wrote:
vadodara wrote:
Pakistan reliably closing its airspace plus the high growth rates of E/SE Asian economies will ensure future growth will happen in that direction.

Cities such as Kolkata, Gauhati etc are underserved so this should be a welcome addition for them.


The Chinese full service carriers will undercut Indigo by offering a wide body aircraft with more space to stretch out, a meal, and more leg room than low cost Indigo. Further Air China et all also offer onward connections to China and the rest of the world. The ONLY way that Indigo can compete is to operate on routes between India and China not operated by Chinese airlines.



I am sure they will try, but it's not easy, you can check the examples in USA or Europe, the low cost started taking market share and the competition was fierce but they both adapt. Chinese airlines are bleeding money on international routes, so starting a war undercutting even more the fares is not the best idea.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1434035


Not to mention using a wide body for thin routes will be suboptimal
 
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Re: IndiGo: China key focus in its international expansion spree

Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:39 pm

migair54 wrote:
What's the current bilateral agreement between India and China??

Visa requirements can be a problem also, but the potential market is huge and I think slowly they will build up and they will succeed slowly.


edealinfo wrote:
vadodara wrote:
Pakistan reliably closing its airspace plus the high growth rates of E/SE Asian economies will ensure future growth will happen in that direction.

Cities such as Kolkata, Gauhati etc are underserved so this should be a welcome addition for them.


The Chinese full service carriers will undercut Indigo by offering a wide body aircraft with more space to stretch out, a meal, and more leg room than low cost Indigo. Further Air China et all also offer onward connections to China and the rest of the world. The ONLY way that Indigo can compete is to operate on routes between India and China not operated by Chinese airlines.



I am sure they will try, but it's not easy, you can check the examples in USA or Europe, the low cost started taking market share and the competition was fierce but they both adapt. Chinese airlines are bleeding money on international routes, so starting a war undercutting even more the fares is not the best idea.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1434035


Chinese carriers prices are already cutthroat. They don’t have to cut anymore. It is Indigo that will have to cuts its rates to match the Chinese; not the other way around.

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