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Could 767X accommodate a comfortable 2-4-2 economy class seating?

Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:59 am

With thinner fuselage walls, 777X has a comfortable 3-4-3 economy class with 18' seats.

Could Boeing use similar upgrades to make 767X spacious enough for a comfortable (i.e. at least 17.5' wide) 2-4-2 seating? That would give 767X a clear advantage over A330neo. And it should have more range than A321XLR and have no problem flying cross-Pacific. With its smaller size than 787s, it might enable smaller airports like CTS(Sapporo)/PUS(Busan) as major hubs between Asia and North America. WDYT?
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:03 am

Boeing needs to make new planes again, and not rely on re-hashes from the mid 20th century anymore.
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:08 am

787s are replacing 767 Aircrafts.
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:10 am

Possible with a new wider tube, all else equal (when possible).

(Whether that is 767 and whether that makes any sense are other questions, but probably not worse than maxing old tubes.)
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:15 am

ostentatious wrote:
That would give 767X a clear advantage over A330neo.


Unless you also give it a new wing, the 767 wing ain't super critical, nothing much would change. The 767 was already much lighter per seat compared to the A332, and that didn't help a bit.
You also need to find more extra space as the 8-abreast seats are less wie than the seats on a 10AB 777. So I guess no. And your still be stuck with LD2s. Not that that in itself makes it a nono. It would also remain rather slow.

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Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:22 am

i'm sorry, but why on earth would anyone want a 2-4-2 seating, aside from couples on the window sides
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:25 am

Define comfortable.
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:27 am

Yes they only need 4” of additional space in order to make 8 abreast work (from 186” fuselage interior diameter to 190” fuselage interior diameter- side wall to side wall). They have managed to make 5” more of interior diameter of space in 777X by making isolation thinner so in “theory” 767 could have its additional 4” and be comfortable as the 10 abreast classic 777 which is today standard for long haul economy. Bear in mind that A330neo also needs additional 5” of space in order to be 9 abreast as the 10 abreast 777 classic interior comfort(dimensions) wise.
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:28 am

Define 767X.
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:30 am

JohnAudiR18 wrote:
i'm sorry, but why on earth would anyone want a 2-4-2 seating, aside from couples on the window sides


While I can see your point, although just marginally, when the alternative is 2-3-2, it is otherwise the best Y-Class seating to be had on a widebody.

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Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:33 am

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With thinner fuselage walls, 777X has a comfortable 3-4-3 economy class with 18' seats.

Could Boeing use similar upgrades to make 767X spacious enough for a comfortable (i.e. at least 17.5' wide) 2-4-2 seating? That would give 767X a clear advantage over A330neo. And it should have more range than A321XLR and have no problem flying cross-Pacific. With its smaller size than 787s, it might enable smaller airports like CTS(Sapporo)/PUS(Busan) as major hubs between Asia and North America. WDYT?

In my opinion it is possible, but Boeing engineers probably want to kill me since it might not be possible. If this is possible with 767 then it is probably possible with A330neo which hasn’t changed since a300 70’s fuselage design.
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:35 am

JohnAudiR18 wrote:
i'm sorry, but why on earth would anyone want a 2-4-2 seating, aside from couples on the window sides

How about 50 seats more and drastically reduced cost per seat km.
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:37 am

ostentatious wrote:
With thinner fuselage walls, 777X has a comfortable 3-4-3 economy class with 18' seats.


That has to be proven yet.

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WDYT?


??? What does that mean?
 
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Define 767X.

Imagined paper airplane that is probably never going to fly but is good forum discussion topic.
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:37 am

GalebG4 wrote:
as the 10 abreast classic 777 which is today standard for long haul economy.


I dont really mind the 10 AB 777 seating, but I am not sure it qualifies as "standard", considering the ton of A330/A340/A350/A380/9-AB 777 still flying and those few 8-AB 787s. They may hold more total seats and hence be the standard.

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P.S. while I dont think the difference between an 8AB A330 and 10AB 777 is worth much discussion, the A380s Y class beats both any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:38 am

BartSimpson wrote:
ostentatious wrote:
WDYT?


??? What does that mean?


I would think "what do you think"

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Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:43 am

VV wrote:
Define comfortable.

17” seat width with 2” on the sides for elbows and 16” in between seat aisles (what is on the 777 classic 10 abreast).
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:44 am

GalebG4 wrote:
VV wrote:
Define comfortable.

17” seat width with 2” on the sides for elbows and 16” in between seat aisles (what is on the 777 classic 10 abreast).


For 9 hour flight?
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:45 am

GalebG4 wrote:
VV wrote:
Define 767X.

Imagined paper airplane that is probably never going to fly but is good forum discussion topic.


And what else?
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:47 am

tommy1808 wrote:
GalebG4 wrote:
as the 10 abreast classic 777 which is today standard for long haul economy.


I dont really mind the 10 AB 777 seating, but I am not sure it qualifies as "standard", considering the ton of A330/A340/A350/A380/9-AB 777 still flying and those few 8-AB 787s. They may hold more total seats and hence be the standard.

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P.S. while I dont think the difference between an 8AB A330 and 10AB 777 is worth much discussion, the A380s Y class beats both any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

When it comes to seats since 60’s 707 you had 17” seats and 2” on each side of the seat which is standard on 707, 727, 737, 777 and 787.
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:48 am

VV wrote:
GalebG4 wrote:
VV wrote:
Define comfortable.

17” seat width with 2” on the sides for elbows and 16” in between seat aisles (what is on the 777 classic 10 abreast).


For 9 hour flight?

Last 10 years on nearly every 777 operator.
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:06 am

GalebG4 wrote:
Bear in mind that A330neo also needs additional 5” of space in order to be 9 abreast as the 10 abreast 777 classic interior comfort(dimensions) wise.


If I am not mistaken, most A330neo operators sticked with 2-4-2 seating even if 3-3-3 was available. Why would they select 2-4-2 on a 767X?
The day seat width is shown on ticket reservation platforms, I think airlines will discover that a lot of people are not against paying a little extra to fly 18'' over 17'' in a >6h flight. While 17'' is not unbearable, the difference with 18 is noticable, in particular when you try to vary your sleeping position.
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:14 am

Depends on the layout, the routes and the service level of the airline.

Charter carriers flew 8 abreast in the old 767 and low cost carriers could so this as well, when using a modern 767. Normal airlines could come up with some eco minus seats.
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:26 am

The poster does introduce a significant possibility


If Boeing was able to reconfigure the 767 sidewall and add an additional seat per row at existing levels of passenger space and combine that with a new engine, cockpit and increased use of composite you’d have a very competitive aircraft
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:43 am

The 767 in 8ab only needs 2 inchs of extra cabin width to reach the same comfort levels as a 9ab A330.

The A330 in 9ab is actually pretty popular in Asia and is definitely acceptable for short to medium haul. A 767 with 2inchs of extra cabin width would then be perfect for most low cost carriers.

If the 767 cabin was widened by 4inchs it should allow for 17inch seats which would be acceptable by most premium airlines.

As someone else has posted widening the 767 cabin by 5inchs will allow it to use the same seats as a 10ab 777 classic.

Now question is how difficult it would be to widen the 767 cabin. The wider you go the more the engineering will cost. I would think 2-3inchs at shoulder level would be pretty good. The 767 even with the current wing would have excellent economics in 8ab.
 
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3) Family style seating like Channel Airways 7 abreast Trident in part of cabin but in a
3-2-3 configuration with no central bins to reduce weight and speed up boarding times.
Aisle seats though tight in 8 abreast could still be sold as regular coach seats to non families middles only to children.
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If Boeing was able to reconfigure the 767 sidewall and add an additional seat per row at existing levels of passenger space and combine that with a new engine, cockpit and increased use of composite you’d have a very competitive aircraft


Yup, IF Boeing could do that.... there wouldn't be a 787.

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The 767 even with the current wing would have excellent economics in 8ab.


The 767 was absolutely crushed by the A332 economics when they had the same engine technology. Now the A330neo has an improved wing that may well match the 787 wing. An extra seat per row won't do much if it sports the same wing.

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Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:04 am

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The A330 in 9ab is actually pretty popular in Asia and is definitely acceptable for short to medium haul. A 767 with 2inchs of extra cabin width would then be perfect for most low cost carriers.

When precisely three carriers out of some 30 use the 3-3-3 config (five if you count AirAsia X airlines separately).

Get the facts right before posting.

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Define aircrafts.
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:50 am

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With thinner fuselage walls, 777X has a comfortable 3-4-3 economy class with 18' seats.

Could Boeing use similar upgrades to make 767X spacious enough for a comfortable (i.e. at least 17.5' wide) 2-4-2 seating? That would give 767X a clear advantage over A330neo. And it should have more range than A321XLR and have no problem flying cross-Pacific. With its smaller size than 787s, it might enable smaller airports like CTS(Sapporo)/PUS(Busan) as major hubs between Asia and North America. WDYT?



You could fit in a 2-4-2 seats even if you sculpt the interior but it will not be comfortable at all. You would at best get to the same "comfort" as the A330 in 9-abreast and that is in no way comfortable and should be avoided.
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:17 am

GalebG4 wrote:
VV wrote:
Define comfortable.

17” seat width with 2” on the sides for elbows and 16” in between seat aisles (what is on the 777 classic 10 abreast).


We have different ideas of long-haul comfort, you and me.

ostentatious wrote:
With thinner fuselage walls, 777X has a comfortable 3-4-3 economy class with 18' seats.

Could Boeing use similar upgrades to make 767X spacious enough for a comfortable (i.e. at least 17.5' wide) 2-4-2 seating?


This is a basic math problem. How much are you willing to narrow existing seats and arm rests? How many inches of cabin width do you expect to get at arm rest height across the fuselage from interior wall thinning? Is that sum enough for another seat and arm rest? (I seriously doubt it.) That some LCCs have done 2-4-2 on a 767 doesn't mean it was comfortable.
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:17 am

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Yup, IF Boeing could do that.... there wouldn't be a 787.

That is an incorrect assumption. The 787 is a 7000nm aircraft with 9ab. The 767 with 8ab is a 5000nm aircraft. The 787 was needed for the range not for the CASM. The goal was 7000nm and transpacific so Boeing needed the 787. If the goal was only 5000nm and transatlantic with great CASM then the 767 in 8ab with a wider cabin would have been the best option.

tommy1808 wrote:
The 767 was absolutely crushed by the A332 economics when they had the same engine technology. Now the A330neo has an improved wing that may well match the 787 wing. An extra seat per row won't do much if it sports the same wing.

Maybe 20 years ago but not today. Your kind of thinking led to the A380 failure. Today is all about point to point routes so the smallest aircraft will win even if the CASM is worse. The 767X has a big advantage here. If it can carry 75% of the passengers with 80% of the trip cost of the A330NEO then it will sell well in todays market.
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:18 am

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When precisely three carriers out of some 30 use the 3-3-3 config (five if you count AirAsia X airlines separately).

Get the facts right before posting.

Michael

Around half of the total A330NEO's will be 9ab.

Changing cabin layouts on an old aircraft is expensive. Comparing old cabins does not reflect what the acceptable seat standadd is todagy. All that means is that Airlines simply selected layouts 10-20 years ago that are more comfortable than todays standards.
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:30 am

RJMAZ wrote:
Today is all about point to point routes so the smallest aircraft will win even if the CASM is worse. The 767X has a big advantage here. If it can carry 75% of the passengers with 80% of the trip cost of the A330NEO then it will sell well in todays market.


Nonsense. There is no indication that any point2point trend has emerged, almost all routes start or end at a hub and as far as I know hubs outgrow spokes by quite a margin.

And 75% capacity with just 80% trip cost is a crazy optimistic assumption since the difference between A338 and 767x would be bigger than between A332 and 767. More like 75/85 to 90. And once you get onto page two of your favorite price comparison page you are out of passengers.

What we see is modern aircraft having almost the same CASM and then trip cost rule. Not trip cost over cost per seat.

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Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:44 am

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i'm sorry, but why on earth would anyone want a 2-4-2 seating, aside from couples on the window sides


Customers don't get to chose the cabin layout, the airline does. Airbus didn't have any issue selling thousands of widebody planes in 2-4-2 config. Indeed, they're still selling today.
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:09 pm

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Could Boeing use similar upgrades to make 767X spacious enough for a comfortable (i.e. at least 17.5' wide) 2-4-2 seating? That would give 767X a clear advantage over A330neo.


Not in the minds of passengers, it wouldn't. People are not going to choose a tight 2-4-2 767X over a wider 2-4-2 A330neo (or A330ceo, for that matter).
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:12 pm

GalebG4 wrote:
VV wrote:
GalebG4 wrote:
17” seat width with 2” on the sides for elbows and 16” in between seat aisles (what is on the 777 classic 10 abreast).


For 9 hour flight?

Last 10 years on nearly every 777 operator.


Interesting.

That's probably the reason why more than 840 777-300ER have been ordered so far.
 
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DL747400 wrote:
ostentatious wrote:
Could Boeing use similar upgrades to make 767X spacious enough for a comfortable (i.e. at least 17.5' wide) 2-4-2 seating? That would give 767X a clear advantage over A330neo.


Not in the minds of passengers, it wouldn't. People are not going to choose a tight 2-4-2 767X over a wider 2-4-2 A330neo (or A330ceo, for that matter).


Well, maybe once. From my non-aviation geek friends friends, coworkers and family: if they have a tight layout once, the airline is out for the future...... even if other aircraft are perfectly fine....

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Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:25 pm

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Around half of the total A330NEO's will be 9ab.

Changing cabin layouts on an old aircraft is expensive. Comparing old cabins does not reflect what the acceptable seat standadd is todagy. All that means is that Airlines simply selected layouts 10-20 years ago that are more comfortable than todays standards.

And tell me how many carriers opted for 9ab exactly. And how many for A330ceo.

Using such a small sample of A330neo when you have A330ceo is comparing apples with oranges, especially since airlines in the region are still taking new deliveries of A330ceo. Reconfig might be expensive, but tell me over the past five years how many carriers choose 9ab on A330s exactly, both CEO and NEOs, and for both new deliveries and reconfig? And how many choose 2-4-2 on a 767? 777? 787?

Tell you what, this is not going to happen. Get over it. Airbus is not Boeing who intentionally built the planes to squeeze seats in - and you have to admit that with 787 and 777 vs A330 and A350. You can argue whatever you want, but the fact that less than 10 carriers combined choose 9ab in A330 versus virtually all on B787 and more than half of 777s is telling.

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Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:51 pm

I posted this already in the other 767X thread - but here it is again.

It looks like 8W has always been an option - measurements in the document as well.

https://www.boeing.com/commercial/aerom ... 01txt.html
 
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I posted this already in the other 767X thread - but here it is again.

It looks like 8W has always been an option - measurements in the document as well.

https://www.boeing.com/commercial/aerom ... 01txt.html


Of course it has, I've flown on it with British charter airlines to the Med when I was a kid. Being less than 5 foot tall though it didn't bother me :lol: The remarkable thing is those airlines such as Britannia used it on flights to Australia!

However, it is the least comfortable configuration available of all current Boeing and Airbus configurations. As you would expect, as you only have 7 seats from which to reclaim width for the additional seat, rather than 8 on an A330 and 787, or 9 on a 777.

So I wouldn't think it feasible to reclaim enough from sidewalls to make 8 across feasible on the 767 for 95% of airlines. As we see even with the A330, only a few low cost carriers are willing to go 9 across, and that is better than 8 across on a 767.
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 2:55 pm

Why do we need to discuss this in yet another spin-off thread?? So many duplicates.

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Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:13 pm

enzo011 wrote:
ostentatious wrote:
With thinner fuselage walls, 777X has a comfortable 3-4-3 economy class with 18' seats.

Could Boeing use similar upgrades to make 767X spacious enough for a comfortable (i.e. at least 17.5' wide) 2-4-2 seating? That would give 767X a clear advantage over A330neo. And it should have more range than A321XLR and have no problem flying cross-Pacific. With its smaller size than 787s, it might enable smaller airports like CTS(Sapporo)/PUS(Busan) as major hubs between Asia and North America. WDYT?




You could fit in a 2-4-2 seats even if you sculpt the interior but it will not be comfortable at all. You would at best get to the same "comfort" as the A330 in 9-abreast and that is in no way comfortable and should be avoided.


5” of additional space is more than enough. 17” seat is extremely comfortable!
 
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5” of additional space is more than enough. 17” seat is extremely comfortable!


If you are able to get 5" out of the fuselage then it would be at best close to the worst out there. That is not a standard to be aiming for, then again who cares as long as it sells and makes money for the OEM, right?
 
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Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:48 pm

GalebG4 wrote:
enzo011 wrote:
ostentatious wrote:
With thinner fuselage walls, 777X has a comfortable 3-4-3 economy class with 18' seats.

Could Boeing use similar upgrades to make 767X spacious enough for a comfortable (i.e. at least 17.5' wide) 2-4-2 seating? That would give 767X a clear advantage over A330neo. And it should have more range than A321XLR and have no problem flying cross-Pacific. With its smaller size than 787s, it might enable smaller airports like CTS(Sapporo)/PUS(Busan) as major hubs between Asia and North America. WDYT?




You could fit in a 2-4-2 seats even if you sculpt the interior but it will not be comfortable at all. You would at best get to the same "comfort" as the A330 in 9-abreast and that is in no way comfortable and should be avoided.


5” of additional space is more than enough. 17” seat is extremely comfortable!


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Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:58 pm

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With thinner fuselage walls, 777X has a comfortable 3-4-3 economy class with 18' seats.


Let’s say - this is yet to be seen how comfortable it is. Most 777X operators are still putting 17.5” seats. They needed to expand the fuselage width not by 4” or so, but by good 15 inch to make this comfortable.

ostentatious wrote:

Could Boeing use similar upgrades to make 767X spacious enough for a comfortable (i.e. at least 17.5' wide) 2-4-2 seating? That would give 767X a clear advantage over A330neo. And it should have more range than A321XLR and have no problem flying cross-Pacific.


I think they would need to crave out more than 4 inch from fuselage walls to make it work.
 
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Re: Could 767X accommodate a comfortable 2-4-2 economy class seating?

Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:00 pm

The 763 is unique in its size and capabilites in the market. Both A and B have a gap in that space. How big that gap is or how you fill it is what keeps the thread counts climing on Anet. It does bring up an interesting question or hypothetical scenario.

DL747400 wrote:
ostentatious wrote:
Could Boeing use similar upgrades to make 767X spacious enough for a comfortable (i.e. at least 17.5' wide) 2-4-2 seating? That would give 767X a clear advantage over A330neo.


Not in the minds of passengers, it wouldn't. People are not going to choose a tight 2-4-2 767X over a wider 2-4-2 A330neo (or A330ceo, for that matter).


Except passengers that are price sensitive (the cast majoirty) book the cheapest option.Airlines compete on price for the back on the plane. The passengers that do pay more, fly Y+/PY/J. Of all the reasons it wont happen or wouldnt happen, that is not one of them. If the specs got to 17.5 inches, arm rests, etc, it would make a case.

That being said, I think this is 797 territory and the 763 keeps going as tanker/freigher. But it would be cool.
 
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Re: Could 767X accommodate a comfortable 2-4-2 economy class seating?

Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:01 pm

DL747400 wrote:
Not in the minds of passengers, it wouldn't. People are not going to choose a tight 2-4-2 767X over a wider 2-4-2 A330neo (or A330ceo, for that matter).


Depends on the passenger. If the price is right - there will be audience for such airline. We discuss PS here with their 2-4-2 767s - apparently there is a passenger for this, and they believed it works for them for a while.
 
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Re: Could 767X accommodate a comfortable 2-4-2 economy class seating?

Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:12 pm

DL747400 wrote:
ostentatious wrote:
Could Boeing use similar upgrades to make 767X spacious enough for a comfortable (i.e. at least 17.5' wide) 2-4-2 seating? That would give 767X a clear advantage over A330neo.


Not in the minds of passengers, it wouldn't. People are not going to choose a tight 2-4-2 767X over a wider 2-4-2 A330neo (or A330ceo, for that matter).



They will if the ticket is $10 cheaper.

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Re: Could 767X accommodate a comfortable 2-4-2 economy class seating?

Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:36 pm

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