Delta opened Concourse G at LGA today as part of the construction of its new combined terminal facility. The concourse has contact gates for seven 737-900ER/A321 size aircraft. The next phase of development will be the demolition of the original Eastern Shuttle terminal and the opening of the new head house.

https://news.delta.com/delta-s-first-ne ... rt-rebuild

LGA is slowly turning into a pretty decent airport. I flew through the new wing of the CTB last month (gates C42-C59), and the airside experience was quite nice. Of course, landside it was as old and cramped as always.

Sightseer wrote:

LGA is slowly turning into a pretty decent airport. I flew through the new wing of the CTB last month (gates C42-C59), and the airside experience was quite nice. Of course, landside it was as old and cramped as always.

The new CTB Landside will finally open next summer

Great to see the efforts to improve LGA reaching a milestone. I can't wait to see it when it's all done!

I watched the Video... the port authority dude is calling the LGA rebuild, the new LGA airport, 'the first new airport built in the USA in 25 years'......

Guess he forgot about Williston that just opened up two weeks ago?

That said, it's nice to see LGA progressing.

ODwyerPW wrote:

I watched the Video... the port authority dude is calling the LGA rebuild, the new LGA airport, 'the first new airport built in the USA in 25 years'......

Guess he forgot about Williston that just opened up two weeks ago?

That said, it's nice to see LGA progressing.

Not to mention MSY's new terminal and SGU. And the new AUS opened 20 years ago. LGA is only getting new terminals. The airfield will be the same piece of crap it has been for decades.

Aaand it only took 6 posts for people to become outraged at a new airport terminal opening on a site dedicated to aviation.

ScottB wrote:

ODwyerPW wrote:

I watched the Video... the port authority dude is calling the LGA rebuild, the new LGA airport, 'the first new airport built in the USA in 25 years'......

Guess he forgot about Williston that just opened up two weeks ago?

That said, it's nice to see LGA progressing.

Not to mention MSY's new terminal and SGU. And the new AUS opened 20 years ago. LGA is only getting new terminals. The airfield will be the same piece of crap it has been for decades.

And if we’re soley going off 100% new concourse/terminal.. like you said MSY and soon to be SLC.

Anybody know the future milestones or timelines for LGA construction? What’s next?

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Cactusjuba wrote:

ScottB wrote:

ODwyerPW wrote:

I watched the Video... the port authority dude is calling the LGA rebuild, the new LGA airport, 'the first new airport built in the USA in 25 years'......

Guess he forgot about Williston that just opened up two weeks ago?

That said, it's nice to see LGA progressing.

Not to mention MSY's new terminal and SGU. And the new AUS opened 20 years ago. LGA is only getting new terminals. The airfield will be the same piece of crap it has been for decades.

And if we’re soley going off 100% new concourse/terminal.. like you said MSY and soon to be SLC.

Anybody know the future milestones or timelines for LGA construction? What’s next?

I do not know the timeline for the new B terminal, but Delta prepared a slide a few years ago for its construction schedule.

Cactusjuba wrote:

ScottB wrote:

ODwyerPW wrote:

I watched the Video... the port authority dude is calling the LGA rebuild, the new LGA airport, 'the first new airport built in the USA in 25 years'......

Guess he forgot about Williston that just opened up two weeks ago?

That said, it's nice to see LGA progressing.

Not to mention MSY's new terminal and SGU. And the new AUS opened 20 years ago. LGA is only getting new terminals. The airfield will be the same piece of crap it has been for decades.

And if we’re soley going off 100% new concourse/terminal.. like you said MSY and soon to be SLC.

Anybody know the future milestones or timelines for LGA construction? What’s next?

I suspect the original Eastern Shuttle terminal will be demolished fairly soon because, apparently, Delta is no longer including it in maps of its facilities at LGA:

ODwyerPW wrote:

I watched the Video... the port authority dude is calling the LGA rebuild, the new LGA airport, 'the first new airport built in the USA in 25 years'......

Guess he forgot about Williston that just opened up two weeks ago?

That said, it's nice to see LGA progressing.

Someone ought to maybe mention to that yahoo from PANYNJ that it’s a new Terminal, not a new airport.

Just sayin’.

Cactusjuba wrote:

Anybody know the future milestones or timelines for LGA construction? What’s next?

They’ve been pretty quiet on the dates, but I believe the new Central building for Terminal B is opening next year, which will enable the removal of the current landslide building. The last phase of B will be building the 2nd pier of gates (which has already started) to replace the C & D concourses which currently house AAs operation supposedly in 2021.

I really would like to see what the plan for that will be, given the current situation there, I don’t know how AA is going to continue its current operation while freeing up enough land to complete the build of the new gate building...

Source for more info: https://newyorkyimby.com/2018/07/la-gua ... adway.html

DL717 wrote:

ODwyerPW wrote:

I watched the Video... the port authority dude is calling the LGA rebuild, the new LGA airport, 'the first new airport built in the USA in 25 years'......

Guess he forgot about Williston that just opened up two weeks ago?

That said, it's nice to see LGA progressing.

Someone ought to maybe mention to that yahoo from PANYNJ that it’s a new Terminal, not a new airport.

Just sayin’.

He’s talking about when the entire airport construction is complete. Not today.

atlflyer wrote:

DL717 wrote:

ODwyerPW wrote:

I watched the Video... the port authority dude is calling the LGA rebuild, the new LGA airport, 'the first new airport built in the USA in 25 years'......

Guess he forgot about Williston that just opened up two weeks ago?

That said, it's nice to see LGA progressing.

Someone ought to maybe mention to that yahoo from PANYNJ that it’s a new Terminal, not a new airport.

Just sayin’.

He’s talking about when the entire airport construction is complete. Not today.

Wasn’t aware there wasn’t a La Guardia airport before.

It’s a terminal, not a new airport.

spacecadet wrote:

Aaand it only took 6 posts for people to become outraged at a new airport terminal opening on a site dedicated to aviation.

No, outraged at a factually incorrect statement about LaGuardia. "the port authority dude is calling the LGA rebuild, the new LGA airport, 'the first new airport built in the USA in 25 years."

atlflyer wrote:

DL717 wrote:

ODwyerPW wrote:

I watched the Video... the port authority dude is calling the LGA rebuild, the new LGA airport, 'the first new airport built in the USA in 25 years'......

Guess he forgot about Williston that just opened up two weeks ago?

That said, it's nice to see LGA progressing.

Someone ought to maybe mention to that yahoo from PANYNJ that it’s a new Terminal, not a new airport.

Just sayin’.

He’s talking about when the entire airport construction is complete. Not today.

It will never be a new airport.

The Port Authority controls Terminal B (and the landmarked Terminal A), but Delta's control of much of the remainder of the gates (aside from the landmarked Terminal A of which JetBlue has exclusive use) is key here, as they don't want overruns. That may be what is key.

It looks nice, good for DL.

I will say though, I'm going to miss the new part of the current Terminal C (the old US Airways terminal). I find it very bright and I have always liked the vibe in there. It's also in far better shape than any of the pre-rebuild LGA terminals. I'm not sure why it has to go, maybe strategically to aid in the rest of the rebuild? It's not really that old.

aemoreira1981 wrote:

The Port Authority controls Terminal B (and the landmarked Terminal A), but Delta's control of much of the remainder of the gates (aside from the landmarked Terminal A of which JetBlue has exclusive use) is key here, as they don't want overruns. That may be what is key.

Delta’s project isn’t as subjected to the typical PA pork.

HVNandrew wrote:

It looks nice, good for DL.

I will say though, I'm going to miss the new part of the current Terminal C (the old US Airways terminal). I find it very bright and I have always liked the vibe in there. It's also in far better shape than any of the pre-rebuild LGA terminals. I'm not sure why it has to go, maybe strategically to aid in the rest of the rebuild? It's not really that old.

A few reasons:

1. With the new head house, there is no need for ticketing, baggage claim, and security so it makes sense to remove the west concourse of Terminal C and the present roadways will be removed.

2. Keeping the present facility would reduce the total number of contact gates.

3. The new Concourse D will actually be built about 40 to 50 feet further west than the present concourse to allow for dual taxiways between the new D and E. Figures 1-2, 1-4, and 1-5 in the draft environmental assessment will give you a good idea of where the new concourses will be built relative to the present facility and how the new dual taxi ways will work: http://www.panynj.gov/about/pdf/Draft-E ... 17rev3.pdf. Dual taxi ways are one of the biggest reasons for this rebuild.

Not to mention ICT. While not a new airport, everything but the runways and taxiways are new.

HVNandrew wrote:

It looks nice, good for DL.

I will say though, I'm going to miss the new part of the current Terminal C (the old US Airways terminal). I find it very bright and I have always liked the vibe in there. It's also in far better shape than any of the pre-rebuild LGA terminals. I'm not sure why it has to go, maybe strategically to aid in the rest of the rebuild? It's not really that old.

That part of Terminal C will actually be the last to be demolished in 2023 according to the timeline above, so you still have a few more years to enjoy it.

New concourse looks great! Are there plans to continue to use the names "Terminal A" (Marine Air Terminal), "Terminal B" (CTB), and "Terminal C" (Delta terminal)? I think it might be confusing to have Concourse C in Terminal B, while there's a separate Terminal C - or to say "Your flight departs out of Terminal C, Concourse D, Gate 12". Might they change the terminal names to numbered ones?

Additionally (kind of off topic), are there any plans to do anything with Terminal A? On the project website for the LGA redevelopment, some illustrations show new builds over in that area. Does B6 have any plans to move into one of the new terminals? If not, there'd be a glaring service difference between Terminal A and any of the new concourses.

mikegigs wrote:

New concourse looks great! Are there plans to continue to use the names "Terminal A" (Marine Air Terminal), "Terminal B" (CTB), and "Terminal C" (Delta terminal)? I think it might be confusing to have Concourse C in Terminal B, while there's a separate Terminal C - or to say "Your flight departs out of Terminal C, Concourse D, Gate 12". Might they change the terminal names to numbered ones?

There will probably be a comprehensive renaming/new signage at some point. There are established terminal/concourse naming conventions. A few Av-geek locals may know DTW's McNamara and New North terminals but people looking for gate assignments on DL/UA/AA.com or FlightStats just see concourses A/B/C and D. (Is there a Concourse I at any major U.S. airport?)

MIflyer12 wrote:

mikegigs wrote:

New concourse looks great! Are there plans to continue to use the names "Terminal A" (Marine Air Terminal), "Terminal B" (CTB), and "Terminal C" (Delta terminal)? I think it might be confusing to have Concourse C in Terminal B, while there's a separate Terminal C - or to say "Your flight departs out of Terminal C, Concourse D, Gate 12". Might they change the terminal names to numbered ones?

There will probably be a comprehensive renaming/new signage at some point. There are established terminal/concourse naming conventions. A few Av-geek locals may know DTW's McNamara and New North terminals but people looking for gate assignments on DL/UA/AA.com or FlightStats just see concourses A/B/C and D. (Is there a Concourse I at any major U.S. airport?)

ORD skips I (and J for some reason) in their concourses, they use B, C, E, F, G, H, K, L, and M for their concourses. D is skipped to allow for an interim addition between T1 and T2 (I believe the new midfield gates are supposed to be D-gates) and A is skipped to allow for [a somewhat implausible] temporary terminal East of Terminal 1 (there may have been such a temporary facility using A gates at some point).

I suppose J may have been skipped because AA liked how H and K could easily be deciphered verbally while J and K sound somewhat familiar. Skipping J also opens the opportunity to use J during the O'Hare21 construction for interim gates.

Back to LaGuadia, I imagine that when the program is complete, the MAT may be renamed Terminal 1, the new CTB will be renamed Terminal 2, and the new Delta Terminal will be renamed Terminal 3.

drdisque wrote:

ORD skips I (and J for some reason) in their concourses, they use B, C, E, F, G, H, K, L, and M for their concourses. D is skipped to allow for an interim addition between T1 and T2 (I believe the new midfield gates are supposed to be D-gates) and A is skipped to allow for [a somewhat implausible] temporary terminal East of Terminal 1 (there may have been such a temporary facility using A gates at some point).

I suppose J may have been skipped because AA liked how H and K could easily be deciphered verbally while J and K sound somewhat familiar. Skipping J also opens the opportunity to use J during the O'Hare21 construction for interim gates.

I think "I" is too easily confused with "1" -- risky if there's a T1. MIA also jumps from H to J.

What is the old Eastern Shuttle terminal? Is it part of terminal C currently? The middle bit that has like 2 gates?

HunterATL wrote:

I suspect the original Eastern Shuttle terminal will be demolished fairly soon because, apparently, Delta is no longer including it in maps of its facilities at LGA:

You're probably correct, but the departures board above the map shows flights leaving from gates which are no longer depicted on that map. Oops.

nycbjr wrote:

What is the old Eastern Shuttle terminal? Is it part of terminal C currently?

It's (appropriately) the eastern concourse of Terminal C -- gates C12 to C24 (C12-C14 are bus gates on the ground level). I'm not sure if they're also going to take down the landside as part of this phase.

mikegigs wrote:

New concourse looks great! Are there plans to continue to use the names "Terminal A" (Marine Air Terminal), "Terminal B" (CTB), and "Terminal C" (Delta terminal)? I think it might be confusing to have Concourse C in Terminal B, while there's a separate Terminal C - or to say "Your flight departs out of Terminal C, Concourse D, Gate 12". Might they change the terminal names to numbered ones?

From the signage on the new CTB gates, as well as the Concourse G gates, I think they plan to drop the concourse prefixes on gates and simply refer to gates by number. You may notice that the Concourse G gates are merely Gates 92-98 and not Gates G92-G98.

It was really, really bad while AA was still using the old US gates in Terminal C. The old Delta/Northwest Terminal gates are D1-D11, and AA had gates D1-D10 in the CTB. So the gate numbers were duplicated in two separate terminals, and the seemingly logical choice of proceeding to a gate like D5 in the same terminal would be completely wrong if connecting from an AA flight arriving in Terminal C. Not to mention that AA also used part of Concourse C and while the numbers fortunately weren't duplicated, the various C gates weren't connected aside from via an airside bus.

HPAEAA wrote:

I really would like to see what the plan for that will be, given the current situation there, I don’t know how AA is going to continue its current operation while freeing up enough land to complete the build of the new gate building...

It's not that complicated really. Taking down old Concourse B allows for construction of the section of new Concourse B which is perpendicular to the terminal headhouse. Once they're ready to open the gates on the east side and end of that section, old Concourse C can be closed and demolished, and the remainder of the new concourse can be completed. Once that's done, AA consolidates in the new facility and the demolition of old Concourse D probably allows a few gates in the new gate building to open.

HunterATL wrote:

If the 7 new gates that just opened can handle 739/321 size aircraft, the above reconstruction diagram makes it look like a decent number of the new gates to open in the next two phases will be widebody capable. Maybe DL is building in hopes that LGA may one day be opened up to transcons?

ScottB wrote:

nycbjr wrote:

What is the old Eastern Shuttle terminal? Is it part of terminal C currently?

It's (appropriately) the eastern concourse of Terminal C -- gates C12 to C24 (C12-C14 are bus gates on the ground level). I'm not sure if they're also going to take down the landside as part of this phase.

Thanks for this, I could have just googled which I did finally.. I was confused thought concourse G was part of the current terminal D (figuring they could build at the far end).

I'm flying to STL at thanksgiving, I look forward to checking it out, flying out on a CRJ9 but back on an A319 so maybe I'll get the new gate!

FSDan wrote:

HunterATL wrote:

If the 7 new gates that just opened can handle 739/321 size aircraft, the above reconstruction diagram makes it look like a decent number of the new gates to open in the next two phases will be widebody capable. Maybe DL is building in hopes that LGA may one day be opened up to transcons?

None of the gates in the new terminal can handle existing widebodies. 27 of the gates can handle upto 737-900/A321 aircraft (ADG III), and the remaining 10 can handle upto 757-200 size planes (ADG IIIa). Although there will be no contact gates for widebodies, every gate will be able to handle mainline aircraft which is a significant improvement over the present situation in which most gates are limited to small mainline planes or regional jets, which significantly complicates scheduling. In the event that the perimeter rule is relaxed, west coast flights would be operated on narrowbodies.

nycbjr wrote:

ScottB wrote:

nycbjr wrote:

What is the old Eastern Shuttle terminal? Is it part of terminal C currently?

It's (appropriately) the eastern concourse of Terminal C -- gates C12 to C24 (C12-C14 are bus gates on the ground level). I'm not sure if they're also going to take down the landside as part of this phase.

Thanks for this, I could have just googled which I did finally.. I was confused thought concourse G was part of the current terminal D (figuring they could build at the far end).

I'm flying to STL at thanksgiving, I look forward to checking it out, flying out on a CRJ9 but back on an A319 so maybe I'll get the new gate!

Unfortunately, Concourse G is exclusively for Delta Shuttle flights at the moment according to The Points Guy.

ScottB wrote:

ODwyerPW wrote:

I watched the Video... the port authority dude is calling the LGA rebuild, the new LGA airport, 'the first new airport built in the USA in 25 years'......

Guess he forgot about Williston that just opened up two weeks ago?

That said, it's nice to see LGA progressing.

Not to mention MSY's new terminal and SGU. And the new AUS opened 20 years ago. LGA is only getting new terminals. The airfield will be the same piece of crap it has been for decades.

ECP also opened less than 10 years ago.

drdisque wrote:

MIflyer12 wrote:

mikegigs wrote:

New concourse looks great! Are there plans to continue to use the names "Terminal A" (Marine Air Terminal), "Terminal B" (CTB), and "Terminal C" (Delta terminal)? I think it might be confusing to have Concourse C in Terminal B, while there's a separate Terminal C - or to say "Your flight departs out of Terminal C, Concourse D, Gate 12". Might they change the terminal names to numbered ones?

There will probably be a comprehensive renaming/new signage at some point. There are established terminal/concourse naming conventions. A few Av-geek locals may know DTW's McNamara and New North terminals but people looking for gate assignments on DL/UA/AA.com or FlightStats just see concourses A/B/C and D. (Is there a Concourse I at any major U.S. airport?)

ORD skips I (and J for some reason) in their concourses, they use B, C, E, F, G, H, K, L, and M for their concourses. D is skipped to allow for an interim addition between T1 and T2 (I believe the new midfield gates are supposed to be D-gates) and A is skipped to allow for [a somewhat implausible] temporary terminal East of Terminal 1 (there may have been such a temporary facility using A gates at some point).

I suppose J may have been skipped because AA liked how H and K could easily be deciphered verbally while J and K sound somewhat familiar. Skipping J also opens the opportunity to use J during the O'Hare21 construction for interim gates.

I always wondered this and actually had to look it up. When ORD was built into roughly what it is today back in the '50s and '60s, concourse A was a long, single pier that functioned first as temporary gates, and then later was torn down and rebuilt as the original international terminal/FIS prior to the opening of T5. Basically think of the original ORD A (and ORD D, for that matter) as exactly like ORD G prior to Eagle/Envoy gutting and redoing it.

ORD B/C were a joint, Y-shaped pier extending from the center of T1 much like current ORD E/F extends from T2 and ORD H/K extends from T3. ORD D, as I mentioned above, was a long, single pier in between T1 and T2 much how ORD G is between T2 and T3.

Fast forward to the '80s: ORD wants to expand, and UA wants to renovate their hub. ORD moves most international flights to hardstands and creates a temporary terminal for check-in/bag claim/FIS in a makeshift "T4" that is now part of a hotel, IIRC while it builds T5 (ORD M) from the ground up as a new terminal. UA knocks down concourses A-B-C-D and re-arranges a new "ORD B" that is parallel to the departures roadway that has 22 gates. It then creates a midfield "ORD C" that contains another 32-ish? gates.

spinotter wrote:

spacecadet wrote:

Aaand it only took 6 posts for people to become outraged at a new airport terminal opening on a site dedicated to aviation.

No, outraged at a factually incorrect statement about LaGuardia. "the port authority dude is calling the LGA rebuild, the new LGA airport, 'the first new airport built in the USA in 25 years."

My comment was far from outrage.... Just disappointed a spokesman for LaGuardia would completely overlook the fine, entirely new airport (airfield, terminal, support facilities, parking and road) that was just completed in Williston ND; On Time (sans the child play area carpet) and On Budget.. While the work involved in LaGuardia's $8bil project dwarfs the WillisontBasin $264mil project, it was still a mis- characterization.

Again, that said, I am happy that work at LaGuardia is progressing. It will be an impressive airport remodel when finished.

HunterATL wrote:

Unfortunately, Concourse G is exclusively for Delta Shuttle flights at the moment according to The Points Guy.

I'm not even sure that's true yet. I don't see any flights departing Concourse G, Shuttle or not.

ScottB wrote:

HunterATL wrote:

Unfortunately, Concourse G is exclusively for Delta Shuttle flights at the moment according to The Points Guy.

I'm not even sure that's true yet. I don't see any flights departing Concourse G, Shuttle or not.

Apparently, a limited number of flights will begin using the concourse next week followed by the relocation of the shuttle operation to the facility on November 16,

HunterATL wrote:

ScottB wrote:

HunterATL wrote:

Unfortunately, Concourse G is exclusively for Delta Shuttle flights at the moment according to The Points Guy.

I'm not even sure that's true yet. I don't see any flights departing Concourse G, Shuttle or not.

Apparently, a limited number of flights will begin using the concourse next week followed by the relocation of the shuttle operation to the facility on November 16,

I don't doubt your source, but why would DL put the Shuttle flights in the concourse furthest from the curb? Their current setup is ideal - get through TSA Pre (and Clear, if applicable), swing by the SkyClub, and walk down the ramp of the west concourse of Terminal C to the gates.

Are they opening a new SkyClub in G?

I went through DL's terminals at LGA today. Concourse G is seeing more usage and it's a fairly nice facility, although it is quite a long hike through a narrow temporary walkway from the rest of the terminal. They'd be stupid to move the Shuttle flights over -- those gates are inconvenient and have poor access to the Sky Club. They're still using the old Eastern Shuttle gates for now.

HVNandrew wrote:

It looks nice, good for DL.

I will say though, I'm going to miss the new part of the current Terminal C (the old US Airways terminal). I find it very bright and I have always liked the vibe in there. It's also in far better shape than any of the pre-rebuild LGA terminals. I'm not sure why it has to go, maybe strategically to aid in the rest of the rebuild? It's not really that old.

Yeah not understanding that call either. The terminal next to it (I think D) with the brown tiling makes it feel like a true Greyhound Bus Terminal.

Fun fact about the ex-US terminal, it was intended to be built for Eastern and then ended up in the hands of CO briefly and then US. I remember using the US club back in 1999 flying to MCO and I thought it was quite nice for the time.