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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:00 pm

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Citilink a320neo rolled into Perth this morning before 5am for the new PER-DPS service


God that was quick! Would love to know how many pax it has onboard.
 
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Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:02 pm

REX has sent 16.000 letters out to all residents in Dubbo on airport charges as it argues for a better deal

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-07/ ... s/11682130
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Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:31 pm

Purvinas has written to the FAA urging them to change the AD to include all 737NG's after 2 Lion Air 737's were found with cracks in their pickle forks under 22,600 flights. While Virgin only had 19 737's above the 22,600 threshold they also inspected another 6 737's above 18,000 flight cycles. Meanwhile Qantas says they don't have any 737's between 18,000 and 22,600 flight cycles

https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 53828.html

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:28 am

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REX has sent 16.000 letters out to all residents in Dubbo on airport charges as it argues for a better deal

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-07/ ... s/11682130


For crying our loud! Rex have been whinging about Dubbo's airport charges for 5 or so years, and yet have not cancelled a single frequency. If the charges were making their operation uneconomical then they are welcome to leave. They really are coming over as a petulent toddler.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:32 am

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REX has sent 16.000 letters out to all residents in Dubbo on airport charges as it argues for a better deal

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-07/ ... s/11682130


For crying our loud! Rex have been whinging about Dubbo's airport charges for 5 or so years, and yet have not cancelled a single frequency. If the charges were making their operation uneconomical then they are welcome to leave. They really are coming over as a petulent toddler.


If you look back through REX's press releases, annual reports and media updates, thats a pretty common theme form them.

Theyre a privately owned business out to extract all they can from all parts of the markets theyre in, nothing more. The regional name is not indicative of their real feel for the regions but a marketing device.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:53 am

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https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/qantas-on-verge-of-multibillion-dollar-decision-to-replace-domestic-fleet-20191029-p535fo.html

Simple Question: Airbus or Boeing?


Perhaps a combo of both?


Frankly, ordering the Max at this point is close to breach of fiduciary duty when talking about a public company. That plane is history and its public perception will never recover from Boeing's gross incompetence in handling this stuff.

The Qantas management so far appears to be worth their money (as evidenced by the fact that they refuse to take Charlotte built 787s) so I'd say the only way to go is A320, perhaps with some A220 mixed in for the regionals.

Only if they can’t fix it. Reality is that most passengers don’t have a clue about plane types. Over the years there have been many accidents which haven’t caused long term damage.
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:04 am

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Ethiopian has started codesharing on SA’s PER-JNB

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -oct-2019/


Was expecting Ethiopia to launch an Aussie route on their own. Hopefully the new SAA A350s will make it to Perth


I’ve read on these forums (the accuracy of the claims I’m not sure) that their Perth route is one of the best international routes they have. If that’s the case, I’d expect them to deploy the A350 on other routes to stem losses.


They do charge a pretty penny for it. If not in a hurry its still cheaper to go to SA via Dubai/Qatar & you get better service.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:32 am

Prior to delivery ZNJ Had a performance test flight after engineers discovered a problem with the carpet

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Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:32 am

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qf789 wrote:
REX has sent 16.000 letters out to all residents in Dubbo on airport charges as it argues for a better deal

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-07/ ... s/11682130


For crying our loud! Rex have been whinging about Dubbo's airport charges for 5 or so years, and yet have not cancelled a single frequency. If the charges were making their operation uneconomical then they are welcome to leave. They really are coming over as a petulent toddler.


If you look back through REX's press releases, annual reports and media updates, thats a pretty common theme form them.

Theyre a privately owned business out to extract all they can from all parts of the markets theyre in, nothing more. The regional name is not indicative of their real feel for the regions but a marketing device.


And it's not just Dubbo either. It's seems like a M.O. for ZL to publicly campaign against fees at regional airports. Armidale, Mildura, King Island, Orange, where else?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:38 am

SriLankan plans to launch CMB-SYD by mid 2020

https://blueswandaily.com/srilankan-air ... -mid-2020/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:13 am

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SriLankan plans to launch CMB-SYD by mid 2020

https://blueswandaily.com/srilankan-air ... -mid-2020/


Good. Flown their Melbourne service twice now and they seem to do well. Hopefully the tourist trade is recovering nicely now.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:16 am

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Was expecting Ethiopia to launch an Aussie route on their own. Hopefully the new SAA A350s will make it to Perth


I’ve read on these forums (the accuracy of the claims I’m not sure) that their Perth route is one of the best international routes they have. If that’s the case, I’d expect them to deploy the A350 on other routes to stem losses.


They do charge a pretty penny for it. If not in a hurry its still cheaper to go to SA via Dubai/Qatar & you get better service.


Yup, just paid $3500 for a business class ticket JNB-PER-BNE one way. Etihad was at $1900, and Cathay and Emirates at about $2200. Hard to see why anyone whose not me would choose to fly SAA.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:39 am

ACCC has approved VA and VS co-operation between Australia and the UK and Ireland via HKG and LAX

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... en-462081/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:41 am

OAG has published a top ten list of the longest unserved routes. From an Australian perspective BNE-LHR, BEY-SYD and CDG-SYD all make the top 10

https://www.oag.com/blog/the-worlds-lon ... w-41229126
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:45 am

vhqpa wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:

For crying our loud! Rex have been whinging about Dubbo's airport charges for 5 or so years, and yet have not cancelled a single frequency. If the charges were making their operation uneconomical then they are welcome to leave. They really are coming over as a petulent toddler.


If you look back through REX's press releases, annual reports and media updates, thats a pretty common theme form them.

Theyre a privately owned business out to extract all they can from all parts of the markets theyre in, nothing more. The regional name is not indicative of their real feel for the regions but a marketing device.


And it's not just Dubbo either. It's seems like a M.O. for ZL to publicly campaign against fees at regional airports. Armidale, Mildura, King Island, Orange, where else?


There was one year where they were particularly perturbed that en-route subsidies they had previously been paid were discontinued....
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:48 am

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OAG has published a top ten list of the longest unserved routes. From an Australian perspective BNE-LHR, BEY-SYD and CDG-SYD all make the top 10

https://www.oag.com/blog/the-worlds-lon ... w-41229126


BEY-SYD, now there's a surprise.......NOT.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:49 am

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OAG has published a top ten list of the longest unserved routes. From an Australian perspective BNE-LHR, BEY-SYD and CDG-SYD all make the top 10

https://www.oag.com/blog/the-worlds-lon ... w-41229126


I dont understand the methodology - SYD-LHR is not announced and doesnt appear here and Im pretty sure is bigger than BNE-LHR...
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:51 am

qf2220 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
OAG has published a top ten list of the longest unserved routes. From an Australian perspective BNE-LHR, BEY-SYD and CDG-SYD all make the top 10

https://www.oag.com/blog/the-worlds-lon ... w-41229126


I dont understand the methodology - SYD-LHR is not announced and doesnt appear here and Im pretty sure is bigger than BNE-LHR...


SYD-LHR is served, direct, one stop with the same plane. All the other routes require transfers.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:52 am

qf2220 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
OAG has published a top ten list of the longest unserved routes. From an Australian perspective BNE-LHR, BEY-SYD and CDG-SYD all make the top 10

https://www.oag.com/blog/the-worlds-lon ... w-41229126


I dont understand the methodology - SYD-LHR is not announced and doesnt appear here and Im pretty sure is bigger than BNE-LHR...


From my understanding, I'm fairly sure their definition includes "direct" (e.g 1-stop, same aircraft and flight number) flights and non-stop flights (open to correction). SYD-LHR is already served as a 1-stop same a/c "Direct flight" on QF and BA.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:53 am

qf2220 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
OAG has published a top ten list of the longest unserved routes. From an Australian perspective BNE-LHR, BEY-SYD and CDG-SYD all make the top 10

https://www.oag.com/blog/the-worlds-lon ... w-41229126


I dont understand the methodology - SYD-LHR is not announced and doesnt appear here and Im pretty sure is bigger than BNE-LHR...


SYD-LHR is served via QF1/2 and BA15/16, its served even though it includes a stop somewhere, same applies to SYD-JFK
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:57 am

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Citilink a320neo rolled into Perth this morning before 5am for the new PER-DPS service


God that was quick! Would love to know how many pax it has onboard.


That also marks the first scheduled A320neo service into PER
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:58 am

VH-ZNJ now at LAX after a looping delivery flight from PAE-LAX

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:01 am

qf789 wrote:
OAG has published a top ten list of the longest unserved routes. From an Australian perspective BNE-LHR, BEY-SYD and CDG-SYD all make the top 10

https://www.oag.com/blog/the-worlds-lon ... w-41229126


I hope one day the PAPL QF spay is settled and we see SYD-PER-CDG, followed by BNE-PER-JNB, allows the three east coast ports to be internationally connected to PER as a hub.

I’d imagine EK would carry the bulk of BEY traffics. Can’t see MEA being ever able to crack the market. Nor can I see QF launching BNE-SIN-LHR or BNE-LHR, not with the current 4 slots in LHR (PER-LHR, SYD-LHR, MEL-LHR, SYD-SIN-LHR) I cant see Another LHR slot being purchased for BNE.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:08 am

smi0006 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
OAG has published a top ten list of the longest unserved routes. From an Australian perspective BNE-LHR, BEY-SYD and CDG-SYD all make the top 10

https://www.oag.com/blog/the-worlds-lon ... w-41229126


I hope one day the PAPL QF spay is settled and we see SYD-PER-CDG, followed by BNE-PER-JNB, allows the three east coast ports to be internationally connected to PER as a hub.

I’d imagine EK would carry the bulk of BEY traffics. Can’t see MEA being ever able to crack the market. Nor can I see QF launching BNE-SIN-LHR or BNE-LHR, not with the current 4 slots in LHR (PER-LHR, SYD-LHR, MEL-LHR, SYD-SIN-LHR) I cant see Another LHR slot being purchased for BNE.


BNE-PER-LHR would be a 'slim' possibility (replace MEL with BNE), in a yo-yo SFO-BNE-PER-LHR-PER-BNE-SFO arrangement. That way BNE gains a "direct" service to LHR whilst PER retains their non-stops.

Much like how the current LAX/SFO-MEL-PER-LHR-PER-MEL-LAX/SFO yo-yo arrangement is now.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:21 am

smi0006 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
OAG has published a top ten list of the longest unserved routes. From an Australian perspective BNE-LHR, BEY-SYD and CDG-SYD all make the top 10

https://www.oag.com/blog/the-worlds-lon ... w-41229126


I hope one day the PAPL QF spay is settled and we see SYD-PER-CDG, followed by BNE-PER-JNB, allows the three east coast ports to be internationally connected to PER as a hub.

I’d imagine EK would carry the bulk of BEY traffics. Can’t see MEA being ever able to crack the market. Nor can I see QF launching BNE-SIN-LHR or BNE-LHR, not with the current 4 slots in LHR (PER-LHR, SYD-LHR, MEL-LHR, SYD-SIN-LHR) I cant see Another LHR slot being purchased for BNE.


MEA have served SYD back in the 90's, first with 747's and then 310's, the terminal was an absolute nightmare when these flights were being checked in. Yields were reportedly atrocious and realistically, there is no way that a non stop/direct flight would likely ever be viable. As you said, the market is more than covered by EK and the other M.E. carriers.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:39 am

qf789 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
OAG has published a top ten list of the longest unserved routes. From an Australian perspective BNE-LHR, BEY-SYD and CDG-SYD all make the top 10

https://www.oag.com/blog/the-worlds-lon ... w-41229126


I dont understand the methodology - SYD-LHR is not announced and doesnt appear here and Im pretty sure is bigger than BNE-LHR...


SYD-LHR is served via QF1/2 and BA15/16, its served even though it includes a stop somewhere, same applies to SYD-JFK

From a customer perspective, they are getting off the plane and getting back on the plane, so basically it is SYD-SIN and SIN-LHR ... no different to SYD-SIN and SIN-WAW, SYD-SIN and SIN-IST, SYD-SIN and SIN-FRA, etc. etc.so if SYD-LHR is classed as a route already served for the customer, then so is SYD-WAW, SYD-IST and SYD-FRA.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:52 am

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Perhaps a combo of both?


Frankly, ordering the Max at this point is close to breach of fiduciary duty when talking about a public company. That plane is history and its public perception will never recover from Boeing's gross incompetence in handling this stuff.

The Qantas management so far appears to be worth their money (as evidenced by the fact that they refuse to take Charlotte built 787s) so I'd say the only way to go is A320, perhaps with some A220 mixed in for the regionals.

Only if they can’t fix it. Reality is that most passengers don’t have a clue about plane types. Over the years there have been many accidents which haven’t caused long term damage.


That’s a misconception. I have had 20+ family, friends and acquaintances ask me how to tell if there’s a Max on their flight scheduled because they know I work in the industry. They are all people who you’d think wouldn’t care or know.

Anecdotal- yes, but still telling.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:31 am

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Frankly, ordering the Max at this point is close to breach of fiduciary duty when talking about a public company. That plane is history and its public perception will never recover from Boeing's gross incompetence in handling this stuff.

The Qantas management so far appears to be worth their money (as evidenced by the fact that they refuse to take Charlotte built 787s) so I'd say the only way to go is A320, perhaps with some A220 mixed in for the regionals.

Only if they can’t fix it. Reality is that most passengers don’t have a clue about plane types. Over the years there have been many accidents which haven’t caused long term damage.


That’s a misconception. I have had 20+ family, friends and acquaintances ask me how to tell if there’s a Max on their flight scheduled because they know I work in the industry. They are all people who you’d think wouldn’t care or know.

Anecdotal- yes, but still telling.


You know, I've never been asked that question and all my friends know my interest in aircraft.

Anecdotal - yes, but still telling.

The only way most people will know if the aircraft they are on is a 737MAX, will be if it has MAX plastered on the aircraft when they first see it. Realistically you would think most airlines won't put MAX on them, then the reality will be that huge majority wouldn't have a clue what type of aircraft it is, besides what is written on it.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:37 am

I'm just telling you, this one is different. We'll see how it turns out. It's enough if a few of the loudest customers know how to tell and push it in social media to tarnish an airline's reputation with it seriously.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:12 am

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I'm just telling you, this one is different. We'll see how it turns out. It's enough if a few of the loudest customers know how to tell and push it in social media to tarnish an airline's reputation with it seriously.


Two years after it re-enters service most people will have forgotten.

At the time of the ET crash I had several people tell me they would never fly on a MAX. I asked if they would fly on a 787 and would receive a comment like, 'oh yes, that's the fancy new plane that flies to London'. They didn't realise that this is the same plane that was grounded because it had a nasty habit of catching on fire.
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:20 am

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I'm just telling you, this one is different. We'll see how it turns out. It's enough if a few of the loudest customers know how to tell and push it in social media to tarnish an airline's reputation with it seriously.


Two years after it re-enters service most people will have forgotten.

At the time of the ET crash I had several people tell me they would never fly on a MAX. I asked if they would fly on a 787 and would receive a comment like, 'oh yes, that's the fancy new plane that flies to London'. They didn't realise that this is the same plane that was grounded because it had a nasty habit of catching on fire.


100% agreed, people have short term memory. They have the MAX fresh in their minds because the media talks about it. After the plane goes back into service, things calm down and nobody talks about the MAX anymore people will move on to obsessing about something else.


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Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:05 am

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I dont understand the methodology - SYD-LHR is not announced and doesnt appear here and Im pretty sure is bigger than BNE-LHR...


SYD-LHR is served via QF1/2 and BA15/16, its served even though it includes a stop somewhere, same applies to SYD-JFK

From a customer perspective, they are getting off the plane and getting back on the plane, so basically it is SYD-SIN and SIN-LHR ... no different to SYD-SIN and SIN-WAW, SYD-SIN and SIN-IST, SYD-SIN and SIN-FRA, etc. etc.so if SYD-LHR is classed as a route already served for the customer, then so is SYD-WAW, SYD-IST and SYD-FRA.


I know it's weird, but as qf789 points out SYD-LHR is technically served. QF1 is SYD-LHR, SIN is a technical stop. Likewise, MEL-LHR, SYD-JFK exist like, EK's DXB-CHC, QRs DOH-CBR, AC's YYZ-SYD, and I'm sure there is a few more. It is to do with flight numbers and respective bilateral agreements.
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:03 am

But the article is entirely based upon the premise of nonstop flights. It's a very strange analysis all-round.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:57 am

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OAG has published a top ten list of the longest unserved routes. From an Australian perspective BNE-LHR, BEY-SYD and CDG-SYD all make the top 10

https://www.oag.com/blog/the-worlds-lon ... w-41229126


BEY-SYD, now there's a surprise.......NOT.


Volume is significant.. yields make it a non starter.

The Gulf hubs gave that well and truly covered.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:17 pm

EK has the vast SYD-BEY majority market share with the spillover going to EY, MH-WY, and QR. I see QR mainly plays in the AU-Europe market- looking at Pax-IS data they sell no AU-India tickets, but don't know how they do to AMM/BEY.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:47 pm

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But the article is entirely based upon the premise of nonstop flights. It's a very strange analysis all-round.


It’s a poorly written article but it’s referring to routes.
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:25 pm

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I'm just telling you, this one is different. We'll see how it turns out. It's enough if a few of the loudest customers know how to tell and push it in social media to tarnish an airline's reputation with it seriously.


Two years after it re-enters service most people will have forgotten.

At the time of the ET crash I had several people tell me they would never fly on a MAX. I asked if they would fly on a 787 and would receive a comment like, 'oh yes, that's the fancy new plane that flies to London'. They didn't realise that this is the same plane that was grounded because it had a nasty habit of catching on fire.


Nobody died in the 787 fires.

I hope the MAX returns and in a few years all is forgiven (we should never forget...) but this one seems different. We didn’t have social media, FR24, flightaware and so forth when the DC-10 crashed a few times or when the classic 737 had the rudder issues. Memory is getting better not because of human capacity but because of daily reminders from a connected world. That may be enough to forever tarnish the MAX.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:36 pm

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Nobody died in the 787 fires.

I hope the MAX returns and in a few years all is forgiven (we should never forget...) but this one seems different. We didn’t have social media, FR24, flightaware and so forth when the DC-10 crashed a few times or when the classic 737 had the rudder issues. Memory is getting better not because of human capacity but because of daily reminders from a connected world. That may be enough to forever tarnish the MAX.


After the successive MH accidents, people said the same thing about flying with MH. MH are still flying and plenty of people are flown safely everyday by MH.
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:46 pm

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Frankly, ordering the Max at this point is close to breach of fiduciary duty when talking about a public company. That plane is history and its public perception will never recover from Boeing's gross incompetence in handling this stuff.


Frankly if Boeing fixes the problem and gives QF a great deal on the MAX it would be a breach of fiduciary duty not to order them and waste shareholders money on something more expensive.

Having said that I don't think QF needs to make a narrowbody decision at all. There is plenty of life left in their 738 fleet and they can afford to wait.
Most punters & up to 95% of flyers Ithink, would not even know if they were on a airbus or a boeing let alone the different 737 models.

Once the max start flying again, it will be old news, unless of course there’s another incident with maxs. Interestingly Ryanair have their maxs renamed. Can’t remember exactly the model they’ll be called. Was it -2000s ?
 
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:02 am

RyanAir aircraft was photographed wearing 737-8200 moniker, which actually is the name used in many regulatory docs.

Whereas publicly it had been called the 737 MAX 200.

Note it's a special high density version of the 737 MAX 8 with an additional exit door aft of the wing. Ordered by RyanAir and VietJet.

By the same token, you'd just use 737-8 and 737-9 for the normal aircraft
 
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:05 am

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Interestingly Ryanair have their maxs renamed. Can’t remember exactly the model they’ll be called. Was it -2000s ?


Ryanair have a different model, marketed by Boeing as the 737-MAX200 but officially 737-8200. It is a high density version of the MAX8 with the additional exit door from the MAX9. This increases the maximum passenger numbers as the 737-800/MAX8 is exit door limited.

With the current exit door limit on the 737-800 of 189 seats, the cabin is actually very spacious in an all-economy configuration. Ryanair is 32 inch seat pitch, as was Virgin Blue originally before introducing Premium and then Business Class. The tighter 30 inch pitch found today on Qantas and Virgin Australia is because of the additional pitch for Business Class.

What appears to be already happening with some airlines, and will no doubt become the norm in time, is that the "MAX" is being dropped from the aircraft name. It's just 737-8 and 737-9, same as the 787.
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:11 am

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If you look back through REX's press releases, annual reports and media updates, thats a pretty common theme form them.


Very true, and quite frankly I don't have a lot of respect for them because of it. I understand that they are a for-profit company, not a public service, but constantly trying to screw over regional areas by threatening to pull service unless you get your way doesn't leave a very good impression.

From people I know in regional NSW, Rex is tolerated as the only option, but certainly not loved.

Dubbo is an odd place to pick a fight, though. It is a relatively large airport compared to most others they serve and they are nowhere near as reliant on Rex.

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The regional name is not indicative of their real feel for the regions but a marketing device.


I guess "Our Heart is in the Country" makes perfect sense, so long as by "the country" you're referring to Singapore ;)
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:06 am

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Interestingly Ryanair have their maxs renamed. Can’t remember exactly the model they’ll be called. Was it -2000s ?


Ryanair have a different model, marketed by Boeing as the 737-MAX200 but officially 737-8200. It is a high density version of the MAX8 with the additional exit door from the MAX9. This increases the maximum passenger numbers as the 737-800/MAX8 is exit door limited.

With the current exit door limit on the 737-800 of 189 seats, the cabin is actually very spacious in an all-economy configuration. Ryanair is 32 inch seat pitch, as was Virgin Blue originally before introducing Premium and then Business Class. The tighter 30 inch pitch found today on Qantas and Virgin Australia is because of the additional pitch for Business Class.

What appears to be already happening with some airlines, and will no doubt become the norm in time, is that the "MAX" is being dropped from the aircraft name. It's just 737-8 and 737-9, same as the 787.
but isn't seat pitch irrelevant without knowing what seats are used ? A super slim back on a seat (cf. a seat with a thicker seat back) creates more legroom without changing pitch.
 
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:38 am

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If you look back through REX's press releases, annual reports and media updates, thats a pretty common theme form them.


Very true, and quite frankly I don't have a lot of respect for them because of it. I understand that they are a for-profit company, not a public service, but constantly trying to screw over regional areas by threatening to pull service unless you get your way doesn't leave a very good impression.

From people I know in regional NSW, Rex is tolerated as the only option, but certainly not loved.

Dubbo is an odd place to pick a fight, though. It is a relatively large airport compared to most others they serve and they are nowhere near as reliant on Rex.

qf2220 wrote:
The regional name is not indicative of their real feel for the regions but a marketing device.


I guess "Our Heart is in the Country" makes perfect sense, so long as by "the country" you're referring to Singapore ;)


Unfortunately, regional services often require government / council support of some type and as such the business to flying includes continued lobbying government.

An effective lobbying campaign will have multiple elements, including the use of the open media. As such, if we want airlines to continue to support regional centres we will have to accept the fact they will be continuosly stating their case in an open forum environment.
 
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:57 am

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REX has sent 16.000 letters out to all residents in Dubbo on airport charges as it argues for a better deal

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-07/ ... s/11682130


For crying our loud! Rex have been whinging about Dubbo's airport charges for 5 or so years, and yet have not cancelled a single frequency. If the charges were making their operation uneconomical then they are welcome to leave. They really are coming over as a petulent toddler.
hold on, ALL Rex Saab 340 are less than 37 seats, so they should not pay security at ANY airport in the country.

Dubbo is similar to Albury with Rex, Virgin & Qantas. Not sure of the situation there. Can anyone enlighted us? Qantas & Virgin fly aircraft over 40 seats into Albury.
 
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:42 am

lessredtape wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
qf789 wrote:
REX has sent 16.000 letters out to all residents in Dubbo on airport charges as it argues for a better deal

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-07/ ... s/11682130


For crying our loud! Rex have been whinging about Dubbo's airport charges for 5 or so years, and yet have not cancelled a single frequency. If the charges were making their operation uneconomical then they are welcome to leave. They really are coming over as a petulent toddler.
hold on, ALL Rex Saab 340 are less than 37 seats, so they should not pay security at ANY airport in the country.

Dubbo is similar to Albury with Rex, Virgin & Qantas. Not sure of the situation there. Can anyone enlighted us? Qantas & Virgin fly aircraft over 40 seats into Albury.


Excellent point. It's OK to bag REX but let's see how Dubbo feels if they leave the market and fares go up.

As to them being Singapore owned the law allows that. Bit xenophobic to complain about that in my eyes. They serve regionals that Qantas wouldn't. REX is a valuable part of Australian aviation.
 
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:36 pm

Qantas A380 (VH-OQB) has been damaged while being towed out of a hangar. The aircraft struck scaffolding and the front lower R1 door was nearly ripped off. As a result today's QF7 SYD-DFW was cancelled. It is expected to take about 2 weeks to repair the damaged aircraft

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Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:50 pm

QF524 SYD-BNE operated by 744 on Saturday, operated by VH-OEI which will also run an Antarctica charter today

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Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:05 pm

Saturday's QF25 SYD-HND delayed till 1435 Sunday
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