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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:40 am

Seems Qantas is having A380 issues again. On Tuesday they only had 8 A388's operational

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:23 am

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That's acheiveable with a 787, but El Al's fleet are heavier than standard production models due to the extra security requirements.


Interesting, didn't know that. Pardon my ignorance but what extra security requirements do they have that make them heavier?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:49 am

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Quick question

Are there still rumours of VA's shareholders looking to offload their holdings?
The usual suspects were that EY and HNA were keen to exit. Is this still the case?


Was it ever the case? Media reports confirmed EY was reviewing its holding but that was a while back so presumably they've settled on at least a temporary hold. HNA I think was just a rumour, but a logical one. Unless you need cash quick smart it would be an odd thing to do to sell when the price is so low. Though given the structure of the holdings with only - I think - 8% in free float, anyone hoping for more would have to likely pay a bit of a premium.

What really should happen is a premium offered to existing free float shareholders and a delisting to take the company private. The share market listing really is not necessary.

Mostly it seemed to be ANet speculation. Though I've said similar things in the past only for the literal opposite to happen the next day. So perhaps tomorrow will be fire sale day.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:59 am

Privatisation was last discussed in the VA boardroom in February 2018, and was voted on. None of the major shareholders were in favour of it.

For VA to go private would require a shareholder (either an existing shareholder or a new player outside of the current shareholding register) to initiate a "take over", which is extremely unlikely for the foreseeable future.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 4z22j.html
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:12 am

SCFlyer wrote:

For VA to go private would require a shareholder (either an existing shareholder or a new player outside of the current shareholding register) to initiate a "take over", which is extremely unlikely for the foreseeable future.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 4z22j.html


There is no "takeover" that needs to be initiated, it just requires majority approval by major and minor shareholders to carry out the privatisation. The article quotes the chairperson as saying the major shareholders (EY, SQ, etc) were all in opposition to the decision to privatise. What it would require was either a new investor to snap up the ~9% of that is not owned by the major shareholders and/or each major shareholder to up their shareholding by a few % points to mop up the remaining 9%.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:46 pm

Velocity7 wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
That's acheiveable with a 787, but El Al's fleet are heavier than standard production models due to the extra security requirements.


Interesting, didn't know that. Pardon my ignorance but what extra security requirements do they have that make them heavier?

Understandably LY has always been very quiet about what they add to their planes but it is widely speculated that they do add some features such as devices capable of confusing heat seeking missiles as well as extra cockpit security measures. Such changes would add weight though I have no idea how much.
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Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:00 pm

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Etihad operated a 787-10 yesterday in lieu of the normal -9 due to it believed to have gone tech. First EY 78X into BNE.
 
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Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:39 pm

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/49135831358/in/dateposted/

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Etihad operated a 787-10 yesterday in lieu of the normal -9 due to it believed to have gone tech. First EY 78X into BNE.


Wow, i thought that route was too long for a 787-10!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:53 pm

travelhound wrote:
oskarclare wrote:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/49135831358/in/dateposted/

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Etihad operated a 787-10 yesterday in lieu of the normal -9 due to it believed to have gone tech. First EY 78X into BNE.


Wow, i thought that route was too long for a 787-10!

They may have load managed the plane (removed cargo/blocked seats etc) westbound so it could do it.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:54 pm

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Wow, i thought that route was too long for a 787-10!


Probably half empty which would have helped.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:30 pm

United have said that the 78X is beating expectations in service. There has been chatter in the United fleet thread that range in actual service is better than advertised.

And yes, this flight definitely wouldn't have been full.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:58 am

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Privatisation was last discussed in the VA boardroom in February 2018, and was voted on. None of the major shareholders were in favour of it.


One or two shareholders seeking out to the others (or institutional shareholders) is also different to privatisation.

Privatisation likely also makes the current VA Intl structure harder to justify.
 
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Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:38 am

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SCFlyer wrote:
Privatisation was last discussed in the VA boardroom in February 2018, and was voted on. None of the major shareholders were in favour of it.


One or two shareholders seeking out to the others (or institutional shareholders) is also different to privatisation.

Privatisation likely also makes the current VA Intl structure harder to justify.


Lets be frank here, the VA International structure is a fiction designed to legally and technically allow that division to operate but allow Virgin, which is substantially a foreign company, to fund the operations. A privatisation would put hold to the fiction that VA International is majority Australian owned once and for all.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:18 am

I can't recall, but how did Ansett manage to structure their international division to ensure they kept their international rights (Which was only to HKG, KIX, DPS and NAN at the time of the NZ takeover) despite being a 100% subsidiary of NZ at the time.

From memory AN-i was 51% owned by "institutional investors", whilst the other 49% was owned by NZ. Am open to correction on this one.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:23 am

Sydscott wrote:
moa999 wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
Privatisation was last discussed in the VA boardroom in February 2018, and was voted on. None of the major shareholders were in favour of it.


One or two shareholders seeking out to the others (or institutional shareholders) is also different to privatisation.

Privatisation likely also makes the current VA Intl structure harder to justify.


Lets be frank here, the VA International structure is a fiction designed to legally and technically allow that division to operate but allow Virgin, which is substantially a foreign company, to fund the operations. A privatisation would put hold to the fiction that VA International is majority Australian owned once and for all.


And if VA can get away with it they would be crazy not to.

A quick inspection of how much tax QF pays shows that airlines will use what they can.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:31 am

Sydscott wrote:
moa999 wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
Privatisation was last discussed in the VA boardroom in February 2018, and was voted on. None of the major shareholders were in favour of it.


One or two shareholders seeking out to the others (or institutional shareholders) is also different to privatisation.

Privatisation likely also makes the current VA Intl structure harder to justify.


Lets be frank here, the VA International structure is a fiction designed to legally and technically allow that division to operate but allow Virgin, which is substantially a foreign company, to fund the operations. A privatisation would put hold to the fiction that VA International is majority Australian owned once and for all.

But would we want a situation where all AU international travel rights vest in Qantas? I think not; they do not behave like a charity or necessarily in the national good and would milk such a scenario to the cost of the Australian consumer.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:28 am

Obzerva wrote:
A quick inspection of how much tax QF pays shows that airlines will use what they can.

FY19 and FY18, QAN's effective tax rate has been 29.5% - so they have pretty much been paying full tax the last two years.
Before this they had some accumulated losses to use up.
Think in their report they said through income tax and GST and various other taxes they paid/collected over $3bn.

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But would we want a situation where all AU international travel rights vest in Qantas?.


The competition comes from the international carriers. If VA Int went away I don't think it would make a substantial difference.

And non-issue if they found a proper local investor for the VA Int division, and much like Qantas with the various Jetstars. Could probably avoid much disclosure as well.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:53 am

Obzerva wrote:
A quick inspection of how much tax QF pays shows that airlines will use what they can.


I'd also remind you that Virgin pays no tax as well and has a very large amount of tax losses. So that's a moot point!

tullamarine wrote:
Sydscott wrote:moa999 wrote:SCFlyer wrote:Privatisation was last discussed in the VA boardroom in February 2018, and was voted on. None of the major shareholders were in favour of it.One or two shareholders seeking out to the others (or institutional shareholders) is also different to privatisation.Privatisation likely also makes the current VA Intl structure harder to justify.Lets be frank here, the VA International structure is a fiction designed to legally and technically allow that division to operate but allow Virgin, which is substantially a foreign company, to fund the operations. A privatisation would put hold to the fiction that VA International is majority Australian owned once and for all.But would we want a situation where all AU international travel rights vest in Qantas? I think not; they do not behave like a charity or necessarily in the national good and would milk such a scenario to the cost of the Australian consumer.


Realistically QF's biggest competition comes from SQ and the Middle Eastern Carriers. There isn't anything in Virgins International network that can't be almost immediately replaced by someone else.

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I can't recall, but how did Ansett manage to structure their international division to ensure they kept their international rights (Which was only to HKG, KIX, DPS and NAN at the time of the NZ takeover) despite being a 100% subsidiary of NZ at the time. From memory AN-i was 51% owned by "institutional investors", whilst the other 49% was owned by NZ. Am open to correction on this one.


You recall correctly. Ansett International was a separately owned and operated entity with Australian Insitutional Investors owning 51%.

The problem with Virgin Internationals ownership structure is that it's mightly unclear both who owns Virgin International AND who actually controls it. That's deliberate because in order to fly under Australia's Air Services Agreements that entity needs to be majority Australian owned and when you review the Financial Statements and Ownership records of the tree of entities that control them it is very unclear who the majority Australian Shareholders are. Moreso when you consider the makeup of the Virgin Share Register.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:21 am

Although this may not affect VA that much despite being a codeshare partner, HX are ending their remaining "long-haul" operations and will largely be a regional short-haul international airline.

I wonder how long before HX gets their "plug pulled".

https://onemileatatime.com/hong-kong-ai ... l-flights/
 
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Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:33 am

I guess if Virgin died off I'd root for Delta to come in on the U.S. routes. Either that or more through-traffic via Aukland, though I really wish the Kiwis would fix their laws so international travelers didn't have to clear customs there to make a connection to the U.S. or elsewhere. That's a bit dumb.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:36 am

Anyone know the fate of the JQ Dash-Q300s from NZ? Will they return to QantasLink or be retired?
 
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Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:37 am

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Anyone know the fate of the JQ Dash-Q300s from NZ? Will they return to QantasLink or be retired?

Pretty sure they'll return to Qantas. They're a bit young to retire, and there's not a good replacement option at the moment.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:40 am

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I guess if Virgin died off I'd root for Delta to come in on the U.S. routes. Either that or more through-traffic via Aukland, though I really wish the Kiwis would fix their laws so international transmitters didn't have to clear customs there to make a connection to the U.S. or elsewhere. That's a bit dumb.

What on earth are you talking about? People heading for the USA via AKL don’t have to clear customs in AKL and never have. The status quo is what attracts several hundred people to travel Australia to the USA on NZ each day right now.
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Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:45 am

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patrickjp93 wrote:
I guess if Virgin died off I'd root for Delta to come in on the U.S. routes. Either that or more through-traffic via Aukland, though I really wish the Kiwis would fix their laws so international transmitters didn't have to clear customs there to make a connection to the U.S. or elsewhere. That's a bit dumb.

What on earth are you talking about? People heading for the USA via AKL don’t have to clear customs in AKL and never have. The status quo is what attracts several hundred people to travel Australia to the USA on NZ each day right now.


In addition, most of the AU-NZ-USA travellers are primarily of low yield/leisure/VFR variety. Most high-yielding/business travellers that take the non-stop flights on QF/AA, VA/DL and UA.
Although DL entering the NZ market is unlikely for the foreseeable future, the only possible routes DL could enter 'if' they had wanted to enter NZ would've really been either ATL-AKL or SEA-AKL, likely with a VA codeshare.
 
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Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:46 am

DavidByrne wrote:
patrickjp93 wrote:
I guess if Virgin died off I'd root for Delta to come in on the U.S. routes. Either that or more through-traffic via Aukland, though I really wish the Kiwis would fix their laws so international transmitters didn't have to clear customs there to make a connection to the U.S. or elsewhere. That's a bit dumb.

What on earth are you talking about? People heading for the USA via AKL don’t have to clear customs in AKL and never have. The status quo is what attracts several hundred people to travel Australia to the USA on NZ each day right now.

Okay, last year I flew BNE-AKL-IAH and I had to have my passport checked and electronically tagged making the connection. If that's not clearing customs, then :confused:

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Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:48 am

SCFlyer wrote:
DavidByrne wrote:
patrickjp93 wrote:
I guess if Virgin died off I'd root for Delta to come in on the U.S. routes. Either that or more through-traffic via Aukland, though I really wish the Kiwis would fix their laws so international transmitters didn't have to clear customs there to make a connection to the U.S. or elsewhere. That's a bit dumb.

What on earth are you talking about? People heading for the USA via AKL don’t have to clear customs in AKL and never have. The status quo is what attracts several hundred people to travel Australia to the USA on NZ each day right now.


In addition, most of the AU-NZ-USA travellers are primarily of low yield/leisure/VFR variety. Most high-yielding/business travellers that take the non-stop flights on QF/AA, VA/DL and UA.
Although DL entering the NZ market is unlikely for the foreseeable future, the only possible routes DL could enter 'if' they had wanted to enter NZ would've really been either ATL-AKL or SEA-AKL, likely with a VA codeshare.


I could've phrased that first comment better. More flights from ANZ through Auckland and on to the U.S. if none of the AM3 wanted to step in. In terms of clearing U.S. customs and connecting domestically, Seattle is definitely a cut above LAX and SFO, just unfortunately out of the way to fly back from the NJ/NY area, much as I loved flying AC out of BNE.
 
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Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:53 am

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Okay, last year I flew BNE-AKL-IAH and I had to have my passport checked and electronically tagged making the connection. If that's not clearing customs, then :confused:

You may have had the airline check your passport to make sure you were entitled to enter the USA but that’s absolutely nothing to do with customs. Or immigration, for that matter.
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Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:59 am

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patrickjp93 wrote:
Okay, last year I flew BNE-AKL-IAH and I had to have my passport checked and electronically tagged making the connection. If that's not clearing customs, then :confused:

You may have had the airline check your passport to make sure you were entitled to enter the USA but that’s absolutely nothing to do with customs. Or immigration, for that matter.

I mean I filled out the card from the flight and handed that over to a guy in a police uniform so that's what I interpreted that as. I was beyond tired that week though, so my bad I guess. Definitely felt like clearing customs.
 
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Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:46 am

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vhebb wrote:
Anyone know the fate of the JQ Dash-Q300s from NZ? Will they return to QantasLink or be retired?

Pretty sure they'll return to Qantas. They're a bit young to retire, and there's not a good replacement option at the moment.



The first one is already at TSV for repainting.
 
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Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:09 am

VHZNE wrote:
patrickjp93 wrote:
vhebb wrote:
Anyone know the fate of the JQ Dash-Q300s from NZ? Will they return to QantasLink or be retired?

Pretty sure they'll return to Qantas. They're a bit young to retire, and there's not a good replacement option at the moment.



The first one is already at TSV for repainting.

any increases in regional flying flagged with them returning back to AU?

I know it’s cost prohibitive and the Q300 is probs too big, but I’d love a Southeast milk run - MEL-Albury-Merimbula-Moruya-SYD like Rex used to. Along with a return of Wollongong-MEL.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:49 am

patrickjp93 wrote:
DavidByrne wrote:
patrickjp93 wrote:
Okay, last year I flew BNE-AKL-IAH and I had to have my passport checked and electronically tagged making the connection. If that's not clearing customs, then :confused:

You may have had the airline check your passport to make sure you were entitled to enter the USA but that’s absolutely nothing to do with customs. Or immigration, for that matter.

I mean I filled out the card from the flight and handed that over to a guy in a police uniform so that's what I interpreted that as. I was beyond tired that week though, so my bad I guess. Definitely felt like clearing customs.


Given your were on an aussie passport, might you have inadvertently entered nz borders and then back out through customs?
 
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Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:54 am

VHZNE wrote:
patrickjp93 wrote:
vhebb wrote:
Anyone know the fate of the JQ Dash-Q300s from NZ? Will they return to QantasLink or be retired?

Pretty sure they'll return to Qantas. They're a bit young to retire, and there's not a good replacement option at the moment.



The first one is already at TSV for repainting.


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Aircraft will then ferry BNE-TSV for repaint.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:59 am

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patrickjp93 wrote:
DavidByrne wrote:
You may have had the airline check your passport to make sure you were entitled to enter the USA but that’s absolutely nothing to do with customs. Or immigration, for that matter.

I mean I filled out the card from the flight and handed that over to a guy in a police uniform so that's what I interpreted that as. I was beyond tired that week though, so my bad I guess. Definitely felt like clearing customs.


Given your were on an aussie passport, might you have inadvertently entered nz borders and then back out through customs?


Sounds like it.

On my international to international transit flights through AKL, the card was not required to be completed (only those entering NZ required it) and it was just a security check required to go from arrivals to departures.

The US bound flights also had enhanced passenger screening procedures in place, but no card was required to be completed for that either. Passports are checked at that point, but that’s to be expected.

The process was certainly far smoother than had been described in his post.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:34 am

IndianicWorld wrote:
downdata wrote:
patrickjp93 wrote:
I mean I filled out the card from the flight and handed that over to a guy in a police uniform so that's what I interpreted that as. I was beyond tired that week though, so my bad I guess. Definitely felt like clearing customs.


Given your were on an aussie passport, might you have inadvertently entered nz borders and then back out through customs?


Sounds like it.

On my international to international transit flights through AKL, the card was not required to be completed (only those entering NZ required it) and it was just a security check required to go from arrivals to departures.

The US bound flights also had enhanced passenger screening procedures in place, but no card was required to be completed for that either. Passports are checked at that point, but that’s to be expected.

The process was certainly far smoother than had been described in his post.


And if you're not on an Australian passport, I'm told you'll need a transit visa now. I can't imagine that's going to help NZ draw Australian traffic bound for the US. Might be wrong though but friends living in Oz on British passports ran into this, supposedly.
 
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Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:54 am

aerokiwi wrote:
IndianicWorld wrote:
downdata wrote:

Given your were on an aussie passport, might you have inadvertently entered nz borders and then back out through customs?


Sounds like it.

On my international to international transit flights through AKL, the card was not required to be completed (only those entering NZ required it) and it was just a security check required to go from arrivals to departures.

The US bound flights also had enhanced passenger screening procedures in place, but no card was required to be completed for that either. Passports are checked at that point, but that’s to be expected.

The process was certainly far smoother than had been described in his post.


And if you're not on an Australian passport, I'm told you'll need a transit visa now. I can't imagine that's going to help NZ draw Australian traffic bound for the US. Might be wrong though but friends living in Oz on British passports ran into this, supposedly.


I do recall seeing that coming in after my last flight via NZ in August.

It does create a few additional headaches for some, but from my understanding it sounds similar to an ETSA which is used to enter to US for approved countries. The only benefit for Australian passport holders is that we are exempt, but I must admit didn’t research it in depth after I saw that.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:56 am

aerokiwi wrote:
IndianicWorld wrote:
downdata wrote:

Given your were on an aussie passport, might you have inadvertently entered nz borders and then back out through customs?


Sounds like it.

On my international to international transit flights through AKL, the card was not required to be completed (only those entering NZ required it) and it was just a security check required to go from arrivals to departures.

The US bound flights also had enhanced passenger screening procedures in place, but no card was required to be completed for that either. Passports are checked at that point, but that’s to be expected.

The process was certainly far smoother than had been described in his post.


And if you're not on an Australian passport, I'm told you'll need a transit visa now. I can't imagine that's going to help NZ draw Australian traffic bound for the US. Might be wrong though but friends living in Oz on British passports ran into this, supposedly.


NZeTA is a new travel authors for all visa waver countries- completed for all landing and transit passengers. It’s $9 an can be completed on a smart phone or PC. Landing customers also pay $30 international visitors levy to fund tourist infrastructure in NZ, which is buckling.

Implement by the government has been poor, but let’s see how it holds up for unsuspecting tourists over summer. At $9 and via phone doubt it will deter too many pax.

A bigger concern for NZ and Auckland is the increasing non-stop options ex-AU hat will sap its traffic- of all yields.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:09 pm

smi0006 wrote:
aerokiwi wrote:
IndianicWorld wrote:

Sounds like it.

On my international to international transit flights through AKL, the card was not required to be completed (only those entering NZ required it) and it was just a security check required to go from arrivals to departures.

The US bound flights also had enhanced passenger screening procedures in place, but no card was required to be completed for that either. Passports are checked at that point, but that’s to be expected.

The process was certainly far smoother than had been described in his post.


And if you're not on an Australian passport, I'm told you'll need a transit visa now. I can't imagine that's going to help NZ draw Australian traffic bound for the US. Might be wrong though but friends living in Oz on British passports ran into this, supposedly.


NZeTA is a new travel authors for all visa waver countries- completed for all landing and transit passengers. It’s $9 an can be completed on a smart phone or PC. Landing customers also pay $30 international visitors levy to fund tourist infrastructure in NZ, which is buckling.

Implement by the government has been poor, but let’s see how it holds up for unsuspecting tourists over summer. At $9 and via phone doubt it will deter too many pax.

A bigger concern for NZ and Auckland is the increasing non-stop options ex-AU hat will sap its traffic- of all yields.


Non-stop flights from Australian markets to North and South America will create challenges, but so far NZ (the airline) has proved to be quite resilient.

Launching ORD and soon NYC gives it strength in its overall offering, which still will appeal to many out there, including myself. The experience transiting in AKL was easy and far more enjoyable than a SYD or BNE transfer on competing routes.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:36 pm

downdata wrote:
patrickjp93 wrote:
DavidByrne wrote:
You may have had the airline check your passport to make sure you were entitled to enter the USA but that’s absolutely nothing to do with customs. Or immigration, for that matter.

I mean I filled out the card from the flight and handed that over to a guy in a police uniform so that's what I interpreted that as. I was beyond tired that week though, so my bad I guess. Definitely felt like clearing customs.


Given your were on an aussie passport, might you have inadvertently entered nz borders and then back out through customs?


U.S. passport, but let's not keep this going. If I did extra work and just misinterpreted out of exhaustion that day, no skin off my nose. Could still be streamlined a la HKG/SIN, but oh well.

Either way, if VA went up in smoke, I'd happily welcome Delta taking up direct service to LAX/SEA/PHX, or I'd be totally happy having ANZ take those slots and funnel people through Auckland if a 5th freedom right couldn't be established.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:54 pm

patrickjp93 wrote:
downdata wrote:
patrickjp93 wrote:
I mean I filled out the card from the flight and handed that over to a guy in a police uniform so that's what I interpreted that as. I was beyond tired that week though, so my bad I guess. Definitely felt like clearing customs.


Given your were on an aussie passport, might you have inadvertently entered nz borders and then back out through customs?


U.S. passport, but let's not keep this going. If I did extra work and just misinterpreted out of exhaustion that day, no skin off my nose. Could still be streamlined a la HKG/SIN, but oh well.

Either way, if VA went up in smoke, I'd happily welcome Delta taking up direct service to LAX/SEA/PHX, or I'd be totally happy having ANZ take those slots and funnel people through Auckland if a 5th freedom right couldn't be established.


All good but I honestly don’t think anything needed streamlining based on my previous experience.

Whether or not that has become more complicated since the new visa requirements for transit pax is another story, but overall seemed quite straight forward to me.
 
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