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Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:27 pm

Welcome to Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019. Please continue to add your comments below

Link to previous thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1432205
 
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Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:05 am

"Air France too has upgraded its carrier on the Bengaluru-Paris and Delhi-Paris routes. The airline has introduced modified Airbus featuring improved cabins."
https://www.news18.com/news/india/benga ... 68439.html

could anyone interpret what this means? what's the upgrade exactly from a passenger's viewpoint?
 
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Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:07 am

Shares of grounded Jet Airways inexplicably soar by 50%

If you had invested Rs 10 lakh yesterday it would be Rs 15 lakh today.

https://www.livemint.com/market/stock-m ... 02532.html
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:17 am

Vistara receives 3 new A320neo aircraft and will deploy them on the India - Singapore route.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 836870.cms
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:47 am

edealinfo wrote:
Typically how long does it take after return from the paint shop to actual delivery? It seems terribly inefficient for so much time to elapse from when the flight seems "ready" to actual delivery.

VTORD Response:
I don't know the answer to this question but according to this 2012 article it is about a month for a T7:
https://blog.seattlepi.com/airlinerepor ... oeing-777/

The second one is also back at Paine after paint in Portland: ZB808
https://twitter.com/PlanesAtPaine/statu ... 4378202112

edealinfo: Thank you!
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:39 am

edealinfo wrote:
Shares of grounded Jet Airways inexplicably soar by 50%

If you had invested Rs 10 lakh yesterday it would be Rs 15 lakh today.

https://www.livemint.com/market/stock-m ... 02532.html


It went up 5% yesterday, not 50% in one day. It has risen 50% over the last fortnight though. Dead cat bounce back is what I suspect.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 01, 2019 6:39 am

edealinfo wrote:
Shares of grounded Jet Airways inexplicably soar by 50%

If you had invested Rs 10 lakh yesterday it would be Rs 15 lakh today.

https://www.livemint.com/market/stock-m ... 02532.html


Who in his/her right mind would have invested 10 lakhs there?
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:00 am

Mods: Can we have quarterly threads from 2020 instead of monthly breakup? Breaks the links for discussions.

Previous thread was 5 pages long - not really long.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:02 am

zionite wrote:
Mods: Can we have quarterly threads from 2020 instead of monthly breakup? Breaks the links for discussions.

Previous thread was 5 pages long - not really long.

Last month was an outlier. Previous months' threads are much longer and often turn out to be longer than Australian/Turkish threads, which are monthly
17April2019: RIP Jet Airways
 
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Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:03 am

DGCA has asked IndiGo to ensure ALL neos fly with two modified engines by 31JAN.
17April2019: RIP Jet Airways
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:05 pm

sibibom wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
Shares of grounded Jet Airways inexplicably soar by 50%

If you had invested Rs 10 lakh yesterday it would be Rs 15 lakh today.

https://www.livemint.com/market/stock-m ... 02532.html


It went up 5% yesterday, not 50% in one day. It has risen 50% over the last fortnight though. Dead cat bounce back is what I suspect.


Typical penny stock behaviour. Tons of stocks have followed this pattern - AssamCo, SharonBio, Kwality, and the list goes on and on ....
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:07 pm

The only conclusion I can draw from those ridiculously poorly written news reports is that AF has added the A350 to CDG - BLR but I haven't seen anything official anywhere and BLR still shows a B772 for Dec - Jan. A359 will operate on BOM for a month in 2020.

https://www.airportspotting.com/airbus-a350-routes/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:39 pm

unrave wrote:
DGCA has asked IndiGo to ensure ALL neos fly with two modified engines by 31JAN.


Here is the press statement issued by IndiGo on the topic:

"DGCA had issued a directive last week as per which we are required to have at least one LPT3 modified engine on aircraft which has one unmodified engine more than 2900 hours by November 19, 2019. We are confident that we are able to meet this directive and are able to sustain our current schedule. Subsequently, we have received the latest directive from the DGCA on November 01, 2019, which requires that all operating A320 NEO should have both engines with LPT3 modification installed for operation post 31st Jan 2020. IndiGo currently operates on its fleet of 98 A320 NEO family with around 45% of its engines modified. We are working with both P&W and Airbus on mitigation so that we have enough modified spare engines by January 31, 2020. In the meantime, our schedule remains intact."
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:17 am

Kudos to DGCA for taking proactive steps in at least trying to contain the mess that is the PW1100. Hopefully, these steps are enough and a crash is not what is needed to get the engine to be more reliable than it is now.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:34 am

https://realty.economictimes.indiatimes ... r/71851200

AAI selects Dilip Buildcon's bid to construct airport at Hirasar (Rajkot).

Dilip Buildcon was awarded tender for development of new greenfield airport at Hirasar (Rajkot) for Rs. 570 crore.
Project to be completed within 30 months.

Earlier tender was awarded to Reliance Infrastructure for Rs. 648 crore but was subsequently cancelled due to unknown reasons.
Dilip Buildcon had participated in previous tender also but was not awarded.

This time it is Rs. 78 crore less than previous tender.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:21 pm

DGCA hasnt published Quarterly international traffic stats since April 2019 and SARDAR Mantri is more interested in starting new flights from Amritsar and doing votebank politics. Should be made to go
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:35 pm

zionite wrote:
https://realty.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/infrastructure/aai-selects-dilip-buildcons-bid-to-construct-airport-at-hirasar/71851200

AAI selects Dilip Buildcon's bid to construct airport at Hirasar (Rajkot).

Dilip Buildcon was awarded tender for development of new greenfield airport at Hirasar (Rajkot) for Rs. 570 crore.
Project to be completed within 30 months.

Earlier tender was awarded to Reliance Infrastructure for Rs. 648 crore but was subsequently cancelled due to unknown reasons.
Dilip Buildcon had participated in previous tender also but was not awarded.

This time it is Rs. 78 crore less than previous tender.

Rajkot people can finally have some hope
17April2019: RIP Jet Airways
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:06 pm

Six slots remain empty at Pune airport

Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... 862806.cms?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:08 pm

zionite wrote:
https://realty.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/infrastructure/aai-selects-dilip-buildcons-bid-to-construct-airport-at-hirasar/71851200

AAI selects Dilip Buildcon's bid to construct airport at Hirasar (Rajkot).

Dilip Buildcon was awarded tender for development of new greenfield airport at Hirasar (Rajkot) for Rs. 570 crore.
Project to be completed within 30 months.

Earlier tender was awarded to Reliance Infrastructure for Rs. 648 crore but was subsequently cancelled due to unknown reasons.
Dilip Buildcon had participated in previous tender also but was not awarded.

This time it is Rs. 78 crore less than previous tender.


About time!
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:13 pm

Hainan Airlines to "sell" 4 787s to Vistara?

We know Vistara is gearing up to receive two 787s this month when they were formerly scheduled to receive their fist 2 aircraft in Feb 20202. We also known that these 2 aircraft to be received this month were originally earmarked for Hainan. So, my question is did Vistara merely swap its delivery slots with Boeing in consultation with Hainan, or did Vistara actually purchased the 2 from Hainan.

Note that originally, Vistara had ordered 10 787s with Boeing ( 6 firm orders and 4 options). I wonder if Vistara will now simply swap out the options and buy 4 directly from Hainan?) Comments?

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/11/artic ... y-of-jets/

https://menafn.com/1099209261/HNA-may-d ... ry-of-jets
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:20 pm

SpiceJet overtakes Blue Dart in air cargo, IndiGo well ensconced at top

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/busin ... 89221.html
 
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:45 pm

The Centre has decided to privatise six more airports – Bhubaneswar, Indore, Trichy, Amritsar, Raipur, and Varanasi – as early as January next year. A draft cabinet note proposing to put up the airports for sale has been circulated and the Cabinet is likely to approve it by the first week of December.

https://wap.business-standard.com/artic ... 638_1.html?

https://www.newsclick.in/Privatisation- ... Government
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:50 pm

Vistara Set to Fly to New York, Tokyo in Codeshare with Singapore Airlines and SilkAir

With the 2 787's that Vistara is getting this month, do you think it is getting ready to fly BOM or Del to Tokyo and onward to Newark? Does the route all the way to Newark via Tokyo even make sense? I assume Newark was selected rather than New York JFK because Newark is a United Airlines hub. Flying a daily flight to just Tokyo wouldn't require 2 787s which makes me wonder if the intent is to use these aircraft for onward connections to Newark. Comments?

https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/v ... 56701.html
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:54 pm

"Higher seat quota for Gulf carriers on cards even as old deals under scanner"

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/hig ... 77754.html?

Disregard the above which is a Oct 21, 2019 article. Since that time, I understand that UAE met with India and nothing came out of the meeting.
 
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:42 pm

Mumbai airport's main runway to be closed from November 4, expect flight delays for 5 months

https://www.cnbctv18.com/aviation/mumba ... 628231.htm

The main runway 09/27 handles around 48 flight movements an hour as compared to the secondary runway 14/32, which can handle nearly 35 flight movements an hour.

Mumbai airport is the second busiest in the country and handles around 1,000 flight movements in a day.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:23 pm

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Hainan has been retrenching routes like Ontario and perhaps even San Jose.

Assuming each of those routes frees up 3 WB aircraft.
 
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:26 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Vistara Set to Fly to New York, Tokyo in Codeshare with Singapore Airlines and SilkAir

With the 2 787's that Vistara is getting this month, do you think it is getting ready to fly BOM or Del to Tokyo and onward to Newark? Does the route all the way to Newark via Tokyo even make sense? I assume Newark was selected rather than New York JFK because Newark is a United Airlines hub. Flying a daily flight to just Tokyo wouldn't require 2 787s which makes me wonder if the intent is to use these aircraft for onward connections to Newark. Comments?

https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/v ... 56701.html


But the article doesn't explicitly say that these are 2 UK destinations upcoming... did i miss something?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:30 pm

vadodara wrote:
edealinfo wrote:


Hainan has been retrenching routes like Ontario and perhaps even San Jose.

Assuming each of those routes frees up 3 WB aircraft.



Excerpt from the first article

Chinese papers say HNA may opt to sell the four wide-body airliners now taking shape at Boeing’s plants in Seattle and South Carolina to Vistara, an Indian budget carrier. :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:44 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Vistara Set to Fly to New York, Tokyo in Codeshare with Singapore Airlines and SilkAir

With the 2 787's that Vistara is getting this month, do you think it is getting ready to fly BOM or Del to Tokyo and onward to Newark? Does the route all the way to Newark via Tokyo even make sense? I assume Newark was selected rather than New York JFK because Newark is a United Airlines hub. Flying a daily flight to just Tokyo wouldn't require 2 787s which makes me wonder if the intent is to use these aircraft for onward connections to Newark. Comments?

https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/v ... 56701.html


I wouldn’t fly BOM-TKO-EWR - it is the wrong way. Also is Vistara really in bed with UA? SQ doesn’t really have a strong relationship with UA. Vistara needs a true partner in the US to succeed. What DL was to 9W or like the DL deal with LATAM. I thought AA/BA were going to be UK’s partner. Either way, I hope UK chooses wisely. Doesn’t seem that Indian carriers can survive on their own and having a strong US and EU partner is really key. ME or SEA airlines can’t save the day IMHO

Btw I think it is smart of Vistara to buy these 4 plus continue getting the deliveries they already paid for (assuming this is the case). Vistara needs to try and fill in some of the gaps left by Jet’s demise before foreign airlines fill all the holes.
 
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:20 pm

unnayan wrote:
Excerpt from the first article

Chinese papers say HNA may opt to sell the four wide-body airliners now taking shape at Boeing’s plants in Seattle and South Carolina to Vistara, an Indian budget carrier. :roll: :roll: :roll:


it has quieted down a bit since Jet disappeared but the clamour for BOM/DEL hub has been there. Hainan retrenching so quickly should be an eye opener for the hub-wallah's.

In the meantime, if Vistara can strike a deal for 787's, that might be a deal. They will have to be a bit smart with whom they partner. If JAL for BOM-HND, then logic dictates AA/BA for the west-bound flights.
 
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:22 pm

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Doesn’t seem that Indian carriers can survive on their own and having a strong US and EU partner is really key. ME or SEA airlines can’t save the day IMHO.


The strongest Indian carrier has none. So does the strongest US carrier.

But your point taken for any carrier with aspirations to fly globally.
 
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:24 pm

CaliguyNYC wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
V SQ doesn’t really have a strong relationship with UA.


What's the story of the bad blood between the two?
 
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:32 pm

edealinfo wrote:
What's the story of the bad blood between the two?


This topic has been dicussed in the past, no need to go further off topic. For example:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1351021

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1367887
 
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:43 pm

It would be extremely ambitious for UK to launch their first long haul flight directly to US. None the less, it would give customers on this segment a refreshing new choice
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:51 pm

vadodara wrote:
unnayan wrote:
Excerpt from the first article

Chinese papers say HNA may opt to sell the four wide-body airliners now taking shape at Boeing’s plants in Seattle and South Carolina to Vistara, an Indian budget carrier. :roll: :roll: :roll:


it has quieted down a bit since Jet disappeared but the clamour for BOM/DEL hub has been there. Hainan retrenching so quickly should be an eye opener for the hub-wallah's.

In the meantime, if Vistara can strike a deal for 787's, that might be a deal. They will have to be a bit smart with whom they partner. If JAL for BOM-HND, then logic dictates AA/BA for the west-bound flights.



I don't think any Indian carrier is getting HND slot anytime soon... That article does not say anything about launching anything direct to US in clear terms
 
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:36 pm

unnayan wrote:
vadodara wrote:
unnayan wrote:
Excerpt from the first article

Chinese papers say HNA may opt to sell the four wide-body airliners now taking shape at Boeing’s plants in Seattle and South Carolina to Vistara, an Indian budget carrier. :roll: :roll: :roll:


it has quieted down a bit since Jet disappeared but the clamour for BOM/DEL hub has been there. Hainan retrenching so quickly should be an eye opener for the hub-wallah's.

In the meantime, if Vistara can strike a deal for 787's, that might be a deal. They will have to be a bit smart with whom they partner. If JAL for BOM-HND, then logic dictates AA/BA for the west-bound flights.



I don't think any Indian carrier is getting HND slot anytime soon... That article does not say anything about launching anything direct to US in clear terms


I believe 1 slot a day has been assigned to an Indian carrier in the current round of slot allocation. Vistara/JAL are probably eyeing that.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:00 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Vistara Set to Fly to New York, Tokyo in Codeshare with Singapore Airlines and SilkAir

With the 2 787's that Vistara is getting this month, do you think it is getting ready to fly BOM or Del to Tokyo and onward to Newark? Does the route all the way to Newark via Tokyo even make sense? I assume Newark was selected rather than New York JFK because Newark is a United Airlines hub. Flying a daily flight to just Tokyo wouldn't require 2 787s which makes me wonder if the intent is to use these aircraft for onward connections to Newark. Comments?

https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/v ... 56701.html


No it doesn't. By next year both JFK and EWR will have non stops to both BOM and DEL.
Doing DEL / BOM to NRT will be good if onward connections to USA are available.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:51 pm

binayak wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
Vistara Set to Fly to New York, Tokyo in Codeshare with Singapore Airlines and SilkAir

With the 2 787's that Vistara is getting this month, do you think it is getting ready to fly BOM or Del to Tokyo and onward to Newark? Does the route all the way to Newark via Tokyo even make sense? I assume Newark was selected rather than New York JFK because Newark is a United Airlines hub. Flying a daily flight to just Tokyo wouldn't require 2 787s which makes me wonder if the intent is to use these aircraft for onward connections to Newark. Comments?

https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/v ... 56701.html


No it doesn't. By next year both JFK and EWR will have non stops to both BOM and DEL.
Doing DEL / BOM to NRT will be good if onward connections to USA are available.


Most US flights have moved to HND (and even more are moving/or just moved with the new round of slots). UK should fly to HND if possible. NRT would lack many onward connections and not be business friendly (because of airport’s distance to central TKO. And to the comments up thread about UK and a hub. I am totally willing to bet UK’s plans are not to serve P2P long haul from numerous indian cities. It just won’t work. Now could they fly from several indian cities to say a EU hub, sure. But flying ATQ-LGW, DEL-AMS and BOM-MAD, BLR-HKG, MAA-JNB is just not a full service strategy anywhere in the world. LCCs with narrow bodies on shortish flights, sure. But India already has good P2P with narrow bodies to ME and SEA. Other than some China connectivity, don’t really know what is a glaring hole. Sure new routes will open as the country develops and incomes rise. The big holes are on long haul and having broad connectivity from India to the world (and that can only happen with a hub). I just really don’t get the voices that say there is no business model in a hub - look all over the world. Btw India and the US are close economically, tourism and diaspora, increasing India-US connectivity has multiple benefits that would help india a lot IMHO. So I hope UK has a plan for the US (even if it is a partner like 9W did where they fly half way to EU and hand off to EU/US carriers)
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:09 pm

From the Japan Allocates Haneda slots thread:

Looks like both JAL and ANA have 1 slot each.

<<https://www.aviationwire.jp/archives/182833 ,
That 0.5 daytime slot for India is going to be coupled with 0.5 nighttime/early morning slot for both carriers.>>
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:23 pm

vadodara wrote:
unnayan wrote:
vadodara wrote:

it has quieted down a bit since Jet disappeared but the clamour for BOM/DEL hub has been there. Hainan retrenching so quickly should be an eye opener for the hub-wallah's.

In the meantime, if Vistara can strike a deal for 787's, that might be a deal. They will have to be a bit smart with whom they partner. If JAL for BOM-HND, then logic dictates AA/BA for the west-bound flights.



I don't think any Indian carrier is getting HND slot anytime soon... That article does not say anything about launching anything direct to US in clear terms


I believe 1 slot a day has been assigned to an Indian carrier in the current round of slot allocation. Vistara/JAL are probably eyeing that.


HOLY CONNOLLY! Then that's it. If it is allocated to one Indian carrier and Vistara has been hinting for months that it would be to Japan shouldn't it be obvious that it would Bombay to Haneda especially since JAL doesn't operate BOM to Japan???

BUT, does Vistara need 2 787s to do a daily flight. Don't they need just 1? So, where would the other one be deployed? It can't possibly be Singapore since they already said they are replacing their 737 on that route with a brand new A320.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:30 pm

vadodara wrote:
From the Japan Allocates Haneda slots thread:

Looks like both JAL and ANA have 1 slot each.

<<https://www.aviationwire.jp/archives/182833 ,
That 0.5 daytime slot for India is going to be coupled with 0.5 nighttime/early morning slot for both carriers.>>


Could you translate to English?

1. What do you mean by by half a slot?

2. Is the slot for a Japanese or Indian carrier? If only for a Japanese carrier, can they reallocate it to an Indian partner?

3. If an Indian carrier operates the route, for how long will the plane have to be on the ground in HND?

4. How did more slots open up at HND? Did they build a new runway or improve navigation?

5. The link that you sent is in Japanese, so yeah, it might help if you translate that into English including the contents of your post which prompted my questions. Thanks.
https://www.aviationwire.jp/archives/182833
 
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:36 pm

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If JAL for BOM-HND, then logic dictates AA/BA for the west-bound flights.


Are you saying they need a different partner for east and west coast USA?

As far as I know, UK does not partner with AA; they just code share with United and BA. Does this mean that they are also in bed with them? I don't know but nowhere do they say it is an exclusive relationship.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:49 pm

From another thread.... can you make sense of this. How can 2 airlines make the India thingy work if both JAL and ANA are separately awarded 0.5? What in the world does this even mean?


LAXintl wrote:
Foreign route allocation for ANA - JAL

ANA
USA - 6
China - 2
Russia - 1
Australia - 1
India - 0.5
Italy - 1
Turkey - 1
Scandinavia - 1


JAL
USA - 6
China - 2
Russia - 1
Australia - 1
India - 0.5
Finland - 1
 
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Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:02 pm

This is from the "Japan Allocates Haneda slots thread". It appears that this means the Japanese carriers can't allocate their slot to Vistara but presumably both ANA and JAL are allowed a daily flight each to India from Haneda. Is this a a correct interpretation?


"0.5 means just "one way" for daytime.
1 for daytime (6:00 to 22:55) and another 1 must be night time (22:00 to 6:55)"

"Japanese side must be JAL transferring service. HND slots are not transferable."

"That 0.5 daytime slot for India is going to be coupled with 0.5 nighttime/early morning slot for both carriers."

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1429637&hilit=Japan+Allocates+Haneda+slots&start=50
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:08 pm

edealinfo wrote:
From another thread.... can you make sense of this. How can 2 airlines make the India thingy work if both JAL and ANA are separately awarded 0.5? What in the world does this even mean?


LAXintl wrote:
Foreign route allocation for ANA - JAL

ANA
USA - 6
China - 2
Russia - 1
Australia - 1
India - 0.5
Italy - 1
Turkey - 1
Scandinavia - 1


JAL
USA - 6
China - 2
Russia - 1
Australia - 1
India - 0.5
Finland - 1


These are for day-time slots, i.e. 1 slot pair a day. 0.5 would mean either you take-off or land not both. You could either do it next day or outside of 'day-time' restrictions.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:55 am

CaliguyNYC wrote:
binayak wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
Vistara Set to Fly to New York, Tokyo in Codeshare with Singapore Airlines and SilkAir

With the 2 787's that Vistara is getting this month, do you think it is getting ready to fly BOM or Del to Tokyo and onward to Newark? Does the route all the way to Newark via Tokyo even make sense? I assume Newark was selected rather than New York JFK because Newark is a United Airlines hub. Flying a daily flight to just Tokyo wouldn't require 2 787s which makes me wonder if the intent is to use these aircraft for onward connections to Newark. Comments?

https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/v ... 56701.html


No it doesn't. By next year both JFK and EWR will have non stops to both BOM and DEL.
Doing DEL / BOM to NRT will be good if onward connections to USA are available.


Most US flights have moved to HND (and even more are moving/or just moved with the new round of slots). UK should fly to HND if possible. NRT would lack many onward connections and not be business friendly (because of airport’s distance to central TKO. And to the comments up thread about UK and a hub. I am totally willing to bet UK’s plans are not to serve P2P long haul from numerous indian cities. It just won’t work. Now could they fly from several indian cities to say a EU hub, sure. But flying ATQ-LGW, DEL-AMS and BOM-MAD, BLR-HKG, MAA-JNB is just not a full service strategy anywhere in the world. LCCs with narrow bodies on shortish flights, sure. But India already has good P2P with narrow bodies to ME and SEA. Other than some China connectivity, don’t really know what is a glaring hole. Sure new routes will open as the country develops and incomes rise. The big holes are on long haul and having broad connectivity from India to the world (and that can only happen with a hub). I just really don’t get the voices that say there is no business model in a hub - look all over the world. Btw India and the US are close economically, tourism and diaspora, increasing India-US connectivity has multiple benefits that would help india a lot IMHO. So I hope UK has a plan for the US (even if it is a partner like 9W did where they fly half way to EU and hand off to EU/US carriers)
UK flying to the US with 6 787s in order is simply not happening. It is easy to guess where the other 5 frames will go since it seems the first one is going to NRT. Think SYD/LGW and something like CDG or FRA. UK is a chess piece for SQ and will be used as such. Don’t expect that they will operate as 9W.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:10 am

Both JAL and ANA are going to fly to Delhi (DEL), I think the slot for the Indian airline will only go to Air India and they will fly Delhi - Haneda daily

http://sky-budget.com/2019/11/02/haneda2020new-route/
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:20 am

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Both JAL and ANA are going to fly to Delhi (DEL), I think the slot for the Indian airline will only go to Air India and they will fly Delhi - Haneda daily

http://sky-budget.com/2019/11/02/haneda2020new-route/


The slots were awarded to ANA and JAL, so how does Air India get the slot? It makes no sense.

And, what sense does it make for ANA and JAL to start daily flights from Haneda to Delhi when they already operate the Narita to Delhi route? OR, are you suggesting that ANA and JAL will simply swap their DEL flights from Narita to Haneda?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:27 am

edealinfo wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Both JAL and ANA are going to fly to Delhi (DEL), I think the slot for the Indian airline will only go to Air India and they will fly Delhi - Haneda daily

http://sky-budget.com/2019/11/02/haneda2020new-route/


The slots were awarded to ANA and JAL, so how does Air India get the slot? It makes no sense.

And, what sense does it make for ANA and JAL to start daily flights from Haneda to Delhi when they already operate the Narita to Delhi route? OR, are you suggesting that ANA and JAL will simply swap their DEL flights from Narita to Haneda?


Remember that all these slots were in conversation with all the governments assigned, as Air India is the main international airline and the flag carrier possibly the government entity of the slot corresponding to HND I imagine that AI instead of using Boeing 787 wanted to use Boeing 777-300ER for Haneda premium traffic, if Jet Airways were operating there if both airlines would get 0.5, as AI remains, it is obvious that you receive the slot
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:34 am

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Remember that all these slots were in conversation with all the governments assigned, as Air India is the main international airline and the flag carrier possibly the government entity of the slot corresponding to HND I imagine that AI instead of using Boeing 787 wanted to use Boeing 777-300ER for Haneda premium traffic, if Jet Airways were operating there if both airlines would get 0.5, as AI remains, it is obvious that you receive the slot


I don't understand. Are you saying that every airline that had a slot to Narita (like Air India), can now freely change it TO a Haneda slot?

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