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RainerBoeing777
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:49 am

edealinfo wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Remember that all these slots were in conversation with all the governments assigned, as Air India is the main international airline and the flag carrier possibly the government entity of the slot corresponding to HND I imagine that AI instead of using Boeing 787 wanted to use Boeing 777-300ER for Haneda premium traffic, if Jet Airways were operating there if both airlines would get 0.5, as AI remains, it is obvious that you receive the slot


I don't understand. Are you saying that every airline that had a slot to Narita (like Air India), can now freely change it TO a Haneda slot?


The airlines have the option of launching new services to Haneda, or moving their service from Narita to Haneda, in the case of ANA and JAL they maintain their daily flights between NRT-DEL and will launch new services to HND-DEL
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:55 am

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Remember that all these slots were in conversation with all the governments assigned, as Air India is the main international airline and the flag carrier possibly the government entity of the slot corresponding to HND I imagine that AI instead of using Boeing 787 wanted to use Boeing 777-300ER for Haneda premium traffic, if Jet Airways were operating there if both airlines would get 0.5, as AI remains, it is obvious that you receive the slot


I don't understand. Are you saying that every airline that had a slot to Narita (like Air India), can now freely change it TO a Haneda slot?


The airlines have the option of launching new services to Haneda, or moving their service from Narita to Haneda, in the case of ANA and JAL they maintain their daily flights between NRT-DEL and will launch new services to HND-DEL


Is there that much traffic between India and Tokyo for ANA and JAL to go double daily to Delhi?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:01 am

British Airways curious reworking of the Mumbai – London flights
https://livefromalounge.boardingarea.co ... n-flights/
 
VTORD
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:21 am

edealinfo wrote:
Vistara Set to Fly to New York, Tokyo in Codeshare with Singapore Airlines and SilkAir

With the 2 787's that Vistara is getting this month, do you think it is getting ready to fly BOM or Del to Tokyo and onward to Newark? Does the route all the way to Newark via Tokyo even make sense? I assume Newark was selected rather than New York JFK because Newark is a United Airlines hub. Flying a daily flight to just Tokyo wouldn't require 2 787s which makes me wonder if the intent is to use these aircraft for onward connections to Newark. Comments?

https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/v ... 56701.html


Now let's not get excited here. Here are two key points in the NEWS18 article which makes it very clear that the codeshare is for flying onward on SQ and MI via SIN not on UK via Tokyo:
Under the extended pact, Vistara will codeshare flights to more than 40 destinations in the SIA and SilkAir network.
Our codeshare agreement with SIA and SilkAir helps us to do this consistently to over 40 destinations around the world. We are sure that customers from India will appreciate the flying experience to Singapore and beyond to their final destinations with us," said Vinod Kannan, chief strategy officer, Vistara


Starting NRT/HND will need only 1 frame but with 2 frames in fleet it will leave very little choice in terms of deploying the remaining frame (subject to flight schedule). LHR for e.g., will need a block time of about 21 hours and that will be cutting it very close for daily operations. May not be a bad option to upgrade one of the SIN routes to a WB. Will free up the NBs for other routes.

vadodara wrote:
Hainan has been retrenching routes like Ontario and perhaps even San Jose.
Assuming each of those routes frees up 3 WB aircraft.

HU has never served ONT (CA does) and their SJC flight is not daily. It alternates between the 788 and 789 every other day. With HX and CA having withdrawn their SFO and SJC flights respectively, HU may survive on this route. In the eventuality that they do withdraw, you are looking at probably 1 frame at the most.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:26 pm

Now that Jet has collapsed, what is SkyTeam's strategy for getting back in the game? They can't replicate all of Jet's air points in India but at least they should cover the most important metros, of which, HYD and MAA are glaring holes. Why rely on an Indian partner (vistara is already aligned with BA) as opposed to starting flights from London/Paris/Amsterdam to these 2 cities? Strategy wise, isn't this the opportune time to do so before an Indian carrier fills that void? likewise for Lufthansa. Isn't it time that they invest in a HYD flight with their long haul aircraft that has the least business class seats? You got to give BA credit for at least covering all the metros (sans CCU).
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:31 pm

VTORD wrote:
. May not be a bad option to upgrade one of the SIN routes to a WB. Will free up the NBs for other routes.


Isn't the SIN bilateral limited by seats, not flight frequency, which means that they can't since India has already maxed out? This is a question and not a statement as I don't know the answer.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:43 pm

1. Isn't it weird that Vistara will be getting 2 787s this month but they haven't announced the routes as yet. Aren't forward sales really important especially for long haul?

2. Vistara received 3 brand new A320 neos in October 2019 but surprisingly they haven't announced any NEW routes that 3 additional aircraft would command (other than some token flights that could be done with their existing aircraft). Separately, sure, DEL/BOM to SIN will get an equipment change to the new aircraft but that's not the same as adding a new flights. Why is Vistara compromising on forward sales by taking aircraft but not also announcing new routes?

3. Can anyone explain Vistara's strategy with partners? I understand SQ (Star Alliance). But, SQ is aligned with Lufthansa so why did Vistara pick BA of Oneworld? Further, it aligned with JAL (One World) and not ANA (Star Alliance). Finally, it decided on UA (Star) while giving up on the all important Delta/Virgin/KLM/Air France combination. What gives?
 
edealinfo
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:50 pm

https://phys.org/news/2019-11-indian-ca ... -smog.html
"Visibility was so poor major carriers Air India and Vistara said Sunday flights were being delayed or diverted to and from Delhi's airports."
https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll ... on/1654298
This makes me wonder if Vistara will pick Bombay to Japan over New Delhi to Japan.
 
edealinfo
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:17 pm

Bombay to London Heathrow capacity is down a whopping 35% EVEN AFTER British Airways increases capacity by 13%, Air India by 30%, and Virgin starts a new flight.

See the graph in this link:
https://www.anna.aero/2019/11/01/virgin ... i-flights/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:21 pm

PAKYONG Airport in Sikkim turns out to be a "ghost airport".

A huge investment in an airport....for what purpose?

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... ng-flights
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:26 pm

VTORD wrote:
vadodara wrote:
Hainan has been retrenching routes like Ontario and perhaps even San Jose.
Assuming each of those routes frees up 3 WB aircraft.

HU has never served ONT (CA does) and their SJC flight is not daily. It alternates between the 788 and 789 every other day. With HX and CA having withdrawn their SFO and SJC flights respectively, HU may survive on this route. In the eventuality that they do withdraw, you are looking at probably 1 frame at the most.


My main point was that Chinese airlines may have grossly over-ordered wide-bodies and after a few $bb in losses, their apetite to fly US non-stop may be a bit diminished to free-up some frames.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:31 pm

edealinfo wrote:
3. Can anyone explain Vistara's strategy with partners? I understand SQ (Star Alliance). But, SQ is aligned with Lufthansa so why did Vistara pick BA of Oneworld? Further, it aligned with JAL (One World) and not ANA (Star Alliance). Finally, it decided on UA (Star) while giving up on the all important Delta/Virgin/KLM/Air France combination. What gives?


On A-net the myth of alliance power continues to drive a lot of the narrative but the reality is for non-aligned carriers, the best deal might be to make the best deal individually. Heck, even Delta now sees the limitations of alliances in this era and is aggressively moving beyond SkyTeam. United has never been keen on partnering with Air India despite both being in Star, etc. Alliances are really breaking down and may well be obsolete for everyone besides elite travelers who depend on reciprocal frequent flier benefits soon.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:38 pm

I found excellent links that explain the new Haneda slots. Yes, Indian carriers will get a whole Haneda slot (daytime landing and take off slots). ANA and JAL will only get half a slot each (meaning either a departure or landing daytime slot but not both).

This means that India's Vistara has a golden opportunity of getting a "free" "daytime" slot at Haneda. [Next to London's LHR airport aren't Haneada slots the most coveted in the world? So, their intrensic value must be worth $$$$$$]

The timing couldn't be any better for Vistara as they are receiving 2 new 787s this month and have to put these aircraft to use somewhere. They had anyway already planned that their first flight would be BOM or DEL to Tokyo.

If Vistara doesn't jump on this, they are crazy. There are sayings....
1. "If a window of opportunity appears, don't pull down the shade." Tom Peters
2. "I will prepare and some day my chance will come." Abraham Lincoln
3. Strike when the iron is hot!
4. Make hay while the sun shines

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton ... 0fa06c2568

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/ ... b7zguhKgfk

Are there any "insiders" at Visata, or journalists, that visit this forum? Could you please let us know if Vistara is angling for the Haneda slot?
 
edealinfo
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:47 pm

Vistara will presumably offer onward service to the US by JL from Tokyo. Below are the Japan Air Lines (JL) connections from March 2020. Given this information, is it better for Vistara to fly to Narita or Haneda?

[email protected]

BOS 1 daily(proposed)
ORD 1 daily(proposed)
JFK 2 daily(proposed)

SFO 1 daily
LAX 1 daily(proposed)

DFW 1 daily
HNL 1 daily

[email protected]

BOS 1 daily
ORD 1 daily
JFK 1 daily

SFO 1 daily(announced)
LAX 1 daily

SEA 1 daily
SAN 1 daily
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:14 pm

"Will ask my team to look at bidding for Air India: Tata Group Chief".

“Ideally, it is a Vistara decision. It is not a Tata Sons decision. I’m not going to run a third airline. Unless and otherwise we merge," said the Tata group chief

“We will have to find a solution for our aviation business. I want to scale it up, but I also know that the business is likely to make losses until 2025,”

There is a sense that unlike Jet Airways, Ratan Tata, chairman of Tata Holding Companies is favorably disposed towards Air India.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bus ... 883484.cms
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:13 am

Does anyone know if Indigo and SpiceJet actually weigh hand baggage?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:41 am

Vistara is partnering with JAL which per the link below was recognized by SkyTrax for the "World's Best Economy Class Seat". Further, JAL has only 8 abreast a row in economy on their 787. Therefore, wouldn't Vistara be a downgrade with 9 abreast on its 787? Why would Indians of all people (probably paying top dollar anyway to fly on JAL) settle for a Vistrara flight for half the way from the US to India?

https://www.jal.co.jp/en/inter/service/ ... ards/2019/?

https://www.jal.co.jp/en/inter/service/ ... wider.html
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:42 am

edealinfo wrote:

Isn't the SIN bilateral limited by seats, not flight frequency, which means that they can't since India has already maxed out? This is a question and not a statement as I don't know the answer.


Make Google your best friend.
I don't know if they revised it when they allowed the A380 operations (which was 2015(??) time frame) but according to a 2013 CAPA article, there should be 29,000 one way seats from the Indian side. Here is what my calculation says about the weekly (1 way) seats from India:

Indigo 48 200 9600 - not clear on the mix of A320/A321 so I divided the difference between the seating capacities by 2
Air India 7 256 1792 - 1 x daily 788
14 140 1960
Go Air 7 168 1176
AI Exp 28 189 5292
19820

So no, IF I haven't missed my math by a mile, there is room for an up gauge.

edealinfo wrote:
Bombay to London Heathrow capacity is down a whopping 35% EVEN AFTER British Airways increases capacity by 13%, Air India by 30%, and Virgin starts a new flight.

See the graph in this link:
https://www.anna.aero/2019/11/01/virgin ... i-flights/


Not surprising given that 9W was running 21 x 340 seater 77W per week which has been substituted by 216 (BA), 264 (VS) 11 per week 789. AI only up gauged from 788 to 77W which is just 86 seats per flight addition
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:24 am

Problems with Indigo IT...delays across India

https://www.news18.com/amp/news/india/i ... 20%251%24s
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:35 am

edealinfo wrote:
Does anyone know if Indigo and SpiceJet actually weigh hand baggage?

They weigh it only if you're unemployed (i.e. student), and not traveling on corporate connection itinerary and your bag looks too heavy. Easy to by pass. Give your luggage to your friends for like 5 minutes, get the boarding pass the luggage back.
If you don't have checked in bag no one will weigh your hand baggage.
Overall the people at check in counters are mostly friendly and fun to talk with, and final decision lies in their hands
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:45 pm

anshabhi wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
Does anyone know if Indigo and SpiceJet actually weigh hand baggage?

They weigh it only if you're unemployed (i.e. student), and not traveling on corporate connection itinerary and your bag looks too heavy. Easy to by pass. Give your luggage to your friends for like 5 minutes, get the boarding pass the luggage back.
If you don't have checked in bag no one will weigh your hand baggage.
Overall the people at check in counters are mostly friendly and fun to talk with, and final decision lies in their hands

Thanks
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:50 pm

VTORD wrote:
edealinfo wrote:

Isn't the SIN bilateral limited by seats, not flight frequency, which means that they can't since India has already maxed out? This is a question and not a statement as I don't know the answer.


Make Google your best friend.
I don't know if they revised it when they allowed the A380 operations (which was 2015(??) time frame) but according to a 2013 CAPA article, there should be 29,000 one way seats from the Indian side. Here is what my calculation says about the weekly (1 way) seats from India:

Indigo 48 200 9600 - not clear on the mix of A320/A321 so I divided the difference between the seating capacities by 2
Air India 7 256 1792 - 1 x daily 788
14 140 1960
Go Air 7 168 1176
AI Exp 28 189 5292
19820

So no, IF I haven't missed my math by a mile, there is room for an up gauge.

edealinfo wrote:
Bombay to London Heathrow capacity is down a whopping 35% EVEN AFTER British Airways increases capacity by 13%, Air India by 30%, and Virgin starts a new flight.

See the graph in this link:
https://www.anna.aero/2019/11/01/virgin ... i-flights/


Not surprising given that 9W was running 21 x 340 seater 77W per week which has been substituted by 216 (BA), 264 (VS) 11 per week 789. AI only up gauged from 788 to 77W which is just 86 seats per flight addition

Your post had a lot of numbers with no labels for the fields so I am unclear what to add. By your score, how many seats are yet to be utilized and how many more would be needed for Vistara to upguage their narrow body to SIN from BOM and Del? Having said that, I think the ministry has awarded certain flights to other carriers (not operated as yet, for instance, Air India has rights from Pune to Singapore), which Vistara wouldn’t be able to appropriate for itself.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:27 pm

 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:16 pm

Sorry it did not format properly and I missed the A.Net editing window:

Indigo 48 flights x 200 seats = 9,600 - I was not clear on the mix of A320/A321 so I divided the difference between the seating capacities by 2
Air India 7 flights x 256 seats = 1,792 - 1 x daily 788
Air India 14 flights x 140 seats = 1,960 - 2 x daily 320
Go Air 7 flights x 168 seats = 1,176
AI Exp 28 flights x 189 seats = 5,292
Total Weekly 1-way = 19,820 seats from Indian side

Based on 29,000 seats, just under 10,000 remaining.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:32 pm

VTORD wrote:
Sorry it did not format properly and I missed the A.Net editing window:

Indigo 48 flights x 200 seats = 9,600 - I was not clear on the mix of A320/A321 so I divided the difference between the seating capacities by 2
Air India 7 flights x 256 seats = 1,792 - 1 x daily 788
Air India 14 flights x 140 seats = 1,960 - 2 x daily 320
Go Air 7 flights x 168 seats = 1,176
AI Exp 28 flights x 189 seats = 5,292
Total Weekly 1-way = 19,820 seats from Indian side

Based on 29,000 seats, just under 10,000 remaining.

If there are over 10K seats remaining , that’s huge. However, I thought the press made it seem that seat rights were “hard to come by”. Could it be that the seats were already allocated and some airlines are hoarding them instead of using them (such as AIr India). You may recall that when Jet collapsed, the Government arbitrarily gave 50 percent of Jet’s foreign rights to Air India (and if I am not mistaken, Jet had a mini hub in Singapore)
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:36 pm

I didn’t get much of a response to my gazillion posts on Potential Vistara service to Japan. My sense is that Vistara needs to build a portfolio of good slots, and if only 1 slot is available for India at Haneda (after 4 decades), it should go for it it before Indigo starts 1 stop service.

Indigo will become an expert at grabbing slots. You may recall that it started a second flight from DEL to IST, solely to deny another Indian carrier operating a flight to IST.

Therefore, Vistara should:
1) start a new flight to Haneda commencing late March 2020
OR
2) start a flight initially to Narita and then switch over to Haneda in late March 2020
OR
3) Start a flight now to Narita and start a second flight to Haneda in late March 2020.

All of the 3 scenarios above would ensure that the precious Haneda slot doesn’t go to Indigo, Air India, or god forbid, SpiceJet. THe CEO of SpiceJet is a Wiley person, and I wouldn’t put it past him to outsmart the competition and grab the Haneda slot.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:01 pm

edealinfo wrote:
"Air France too has upgraded its carrier on the Bengaluru-Paris and Delhi-Paris routes. The airline has introduced modified Airbus featuring improved cabins."
https://www.news18.com/news/india/benga ... 68439.html

could anyone interpret what this means? what's the upgrade exactly from a passenger's viewpoint?

BLR usually sees a bump up from the A330-200 in the summer to B777-200ER in the winter, the later having more seats and a better product. Not sure if they A350 will be operating to BLR, but I believe BA will be sending the A350-1000 at some point.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:09 pm

edealinfo wrote:
I didn’t get much of a response to my gazillion posts on Potential Vistara service to Japan. My sense is that Vistara needs to build a portfolio of good slots, and if only 1 slot is available for India at Haneda (after 4 decades), it should go for it it before Indigo starts 1 stop service.
t.


India Japan signed an open free skies agreement a few years ago. There is room for all to go minus some slots at Haneda.

The issue has to do with forward connectivity and who partners whom.

Given the distances chances are there will be limited room for a LCC.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:21 pm

vadodara wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
I didn’t get much of a response to my gazillion posts on Potential Vistara service to Japan. My sense is that Vistara needs to build a portfolio of good slots, and if only 1 slot is available for India at Haneda (after 4 decades), it should go for it it before Indigo starts 1 stop service.
t.


India Japan signed an open free skies agreement a few years ago. There is room for all to go minus some slots at Haneda.

The issue has to do with forward connectivity and who partners whom.

Given the distances chances are there will be limited room for a LCC.


While India has an open skies agreement with Japan, of what use is it if only 1 daytime slot is available to India at Haneda. While Indians are used to 2 am flights, you can bet the Japanese aren’t. Which is why the Haneda daytime slot is gold or should I say titanium and it is there for the asking right now to any Indian carrier. (Heck, the US carriers would give an arm or a leg for Haneda slots knowing that it is a high income generating airport like London Heathrow).

You may recall that SpiceJet went after Jet’s slots at Mumbai with a level of precision and intensity that few imagined as Spicejet recognized the Intrinsic value of BOM slots. I wouldn’t be surprised if they approached Haneda with a 1 stop solution.

Separately you may also note that while India had as open skies agreement with UK, it is limited by frequency to LHR only. Even with the frequencies it has, INdian carriers aren’t able to fully utilize it because they LHR slots aren’t available.

So, my point on why Haneda is so important. It will not only open connections to every nook and corner of Japan, but to the US as well.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:42 pm

Indigo to start daily flights between Delhi to Tbilisi in Georgia from March 5 2020 per CAPA

I AM still at a loss as to how they think they can fill this aircraft

https://agenda.ge/en/news/2019/2953

https://centreforaviation.com/news/indi ... 020-951387
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:52 pm

SpiceJet to commence Guwahati-Dhaka service in Nov-2019 Per CAPA

https://centreforaviation.com/news/spic ... 019-951460
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:34 am

edealinfo wrote:
vadodara wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
I didn’t get much of a response to my gazillion posts on Potential Vistara service to Japan. My sense is that Vistara needs to build a portfolio of good slots, and if only 1 slot is available for India at Haneda (after 4 decades), it should go for it it before Indigo starts 1 stop service.
t.


.....The issue has to do with forward connectivity and who partners whom......

Separately you may also note that while India had as open skies agreement with UK, it is limited by frequency to LHR only. Even with the frequencies it has, INdian carriers aren’t able to fully utilize it because they LHR slots aren’t available.

So, my point on why Haneda is so important. It will not only open connections to every nook and corner of Japan, but to the US as well.


Both United and Delta operated hub out of NRT; they have gradually dismanteld it because of 'lack' of forward connectivity now that most Asian cities have non-stops from US.

If there is enough premium traffic from BOM to HND, everyone and their brother will fly there. In absence of that, one has to offer forward connectivity to fill the plane profitably. Chances are an alliance with JAL will bolster connectivity to W Coast US and hence the loads as well. JAL is playing ball with an insigficant airline like Vistara because they are just comming off a curfew that was imposed on them after their banckruptcy and now they have to play catch up.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:59 am

India total aircraft count at 618 NOW exceeds count of 614 when Jet was operating to its full schedule and the total fleet size of Indian airlines had peaked at 614 in January 2019

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 652_1.html
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:25 am

edealinfo wrote:
SpiceJet to commence Guwahati-Dhaka service in Nov-2019 Per CAPA

https://centreforaviation.com/news/spic ... 019-951460

SG becomes the third airline after Drukair (KB) and Nok Air (DD), and the first Indian airline, to have international service from GAU. Currently KB flies PBH–GAU–SIN, and DD flies DMK–GAU. The latter route was introduced only this September. It has always puzzled me why CCU and more recently BBI in east India have significant international service, while GAU, another large eastern Indian city, has been neglected for international travel.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:09 am

Just checking if Spicejet intends to standardise their fleet configuration.

Quantity/ Cabin Configuration/ Class

B737-700:
3 149: all Y
2 144: all Y
2 134: 8J/126Y

B737-800:
1 186: all Y
25 168: 12J/156Y
26 189: all Y

B737-900ER:
4 212: all Y

B737-900:
1 180: all Y

SG's website and planespotters.net have different figures for total number in fleet.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:19 am

Airfares on India’s busiest airline routes have dropped to new lows, beating even UDAN rates

When IndiGo announced its Q2-FY20 results last week, it warned of sustained weakness in the market after the unusual fares in the strong month of October. The second quarter has long been traditionally weak and while airlines have reported profits in this period of the year in the past, those occasions were when capacity was much lower and so were the oil prices.

Last year, Jet Airways and IndiGo reported bumper losses in Q2 which set in motion the fall of Jet Airways – with the airline suspending operations in April this year. This led to a frenzy of activities by airlines to get slots which were suddenly available, especially at Mumbai and Delhi. In this melee, Spicejet and Vistara doubled their departures at Mumbai – the most congested airport in the country.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:30 am

Some breaking news...is this some mega partnership??

QR and 6E to make a strategic announcement on 7 Nov.

Let the speculation begin...

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ma ... m=Referral
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:45 am

juliuswong wrote:
Just checking if Spicejet intends to standardise their fleet configuration.


SpiceJet is in the process of removing business class seats from all the planes it inherited from Jet.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:44 am

unnayan wrote:
Some breaking news...is this some mega partnership??

QR and 6E to make a strategic announcement on 7 Nov.

Let the speculation begin...

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ma ... m=Referral


Years of wooing by Qatar, and looks like Indigo is finally ready to give in. This probably means Turkey ain't getting more bilateral flying rights, Indigo has been asked to look for other options.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:41 pm

sibibom wrote:
unnayan wrote:
Some breaking news...is this some mega partnership??

QR and 6E to make a strategic announcement on 7 Nov.

Let the speculation begin...

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ma ... m=Referral


Years of wooing by Qatar, and looks like Indigo is finally ready to give in. This probably means Turkey ain't getting more bilateral flying rights, Indigo has been asked to look for other options.


That or could it be that the partnership with TK isn't as successful as they hoped it would be? After all, offering connections from a hub three hours away makes more sense when you are an LCC. Yields to Doha might be better as well.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:19 pm

juliuswong wrote:
Just checking if Spicejet intends to standardise their fleet configuration.

Quantity/ Cabin Configuration/ Class

B737-700:
3 149: all Y
2 144: all Y
2 134: 8J/126Y

B737-800:
1 186: all Y
25 168: 12J/156Y
26 189: all Y

B737-900ER:
4 212: all Y

B737-900:
1 180: all Y

SG's website and planespotters.net have different figures for total number in fleet.


SpiceJet has already announced that they are going to give up business class seats on all the 737s that it acquired from ex-Jet leases. So, those aircraft will soon become all-Y-economy. It is interesting that "business class" failed on SpicJet presumably because those that are willing to shell out Rupiah for it, can't stomach the low class "image" of flying with SpiceJet.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:24 pm

unnayan wrote:
Some breaking news...is this some mega partnership??

QR and 6E to make a strategic announcement on 7 Nov.

Let the speculation begin...

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ma ... m=Referral


1. This is huge and deserves its own thread on Airliners.net. If you won't start it, I will.

2. I guess this means that Indigo realized its partnership with Turkish Airlines is going no where. Indigo's leaders should have taken a course in Indian politics before it decided on its Turkish partner.

3. I guess Qatar realized that it isn't getting additional flying rights to India anytime soon and is following in similar steps as Emirates, which partners with SpiceJet to get additional access to Indian destinations and passengers. The only question is whether Qatar will also purchase an equity stake in Indigo.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:56 pm

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edealinfo wrote:
SpiceJet to commence Guwahati-Dhaka service in Nov-2019 Per CAPA

https://centreforaviation.com/news/spic ... 019-951460

SG becomes the third airline after Drukair (KB) and Nok Air (DD), and the first Indian airline, to have international service from GAU. Currently KB flies PBH–GAU–SIN, and DD flies DMK–GAU. The latter route was introduced only this September. It has always puzzled me why CCU and more recently BBI in east India have significant international service, while GAU, another large eastern Indian city, has been neglected for international travel.


Probably about to take-off with the available infrastructure. Would be a natural extension of the tourist circuit from SE Asia especially Thailand & Singapore.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:58 pm

unnayan wrote:
Some breaking news...is this some mega partnership??

QR and 6E to make a strategic announcement on 7 Nov.

Let the speculation begin...

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ma ... m=Referral


Assuming Qatar makes a bid for most if not all of 1 partner's shares, what does SEBI require Qatar to do in open market?

Turkish will have to be content with the 2 routes they have.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:17 pm

vadodara wrote:

Assuming Qatar makes a bid for most if not all of 1 partner's shares, what does SEBI require Qatar to do in open market?



Answer: Purchase an additional 20% stake at a SEBI approved price but the total foreign carrier's equity stake can't exceed 49% and "control" must remain with an Indian.

If Qatar takes the whole 37% from Rahul Bhatia, it would run foul of laws since 37% + 20% = 57%.

What I suspect is that Qatar will buy 25% (or aim to buy 25%) of Rahul Bhatia's stake which gives Qatar enough of a stake to block "special resolutions" or major decisions, without its consent. Then it can buy an additional 20% for a total of max 45%.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:57 pm

edealinfo wrote:
juliuswong wrote:
Just checking if Spicejet intends to standardise their fleet configuration.

Quantity/ Cabin Configuration/ Class

B737-700:
3 149: all Y
2 144: all Y
2 134: 8J/126Y

B737-800:
1 186: all Y
25 168: 12J/156Y
26 189: all Y

B737-900ER:
4 212: all Y

B737-900:
1 180: all Y

SG's website and planespotters.net have different figures for total number in fleet.


SpiceJet has already announced that they are going to give up business class seats on all the 737s that it acquired from ex-Jet leases. So, those aircraft will soon become all-Y-economy. It is interesting that "business class" failed on SpicJet presumably because those that are willing to shell out Rupiah for it, can't stomach the low class "image" of flying with SpiceJet.


If that is the case, how will Spice ever climb up the chain of ticket pricing. Being stuck in the Ryan air lowest fare group is a tough place to be. Too bad they couldn't make it work. Even a JetBlue sale hybrid LCC would be fine. India having only ULCCs is a sad reality that I guess is just the truth of the market.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:24 pm

edealinfo wrote:
vadodara wrote:

Assuming Qatar makes a bid for most if not all of 1 partner's shares, what does SEBI require Qatar to do in open market?



Answer: Purchase an additional 20% stake at a SEBI approved price but the total foreign carrier's equity stake can't exceed 49% and "control" must remain with an Indian.

If Qatar takes the whole 37% from Rahul Bhatia, it would run foul of laws since 37% + 20% = 57%.

What I suspect is that Qatar will buy 25% (or aim to buy 25%) of Rahul Bhatia's stake which gives Qatar enough of a stake to block "special resolutions" or major decisions, without its consent. Then it can buy an additional 20% for a total of max 45%.


I am going to stop you right there. The article linked above clearly states that there is going to be no equity sale. I don't know where all this speculation is coming from.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:26 pm

airboss787 wrote:
I am going to stop you right there. The article linked above clearly states that there is going to be no equity sale. I don't know where all this speculation is coming from.

Could you provide the link to the article that specifically said no stake sale? And, when did someone of authority said that there wasn't going to be a stake sale. If
they said that more than 45 to 60 days ago, it is no longer valid.

You are aware that in the last 2 weeks, there have been 2 major announcements - Delta purchasing 20% in LATAM and IAG/Iberia purchasing 100% of Air Europa. Circumstances change very fast.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:29 pm

Just a codeshare agreement. No equity investment
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - November 2019

Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:30 pm

unrave wrote:
Just a codeshare agreement. No equity investment


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