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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:20 pm

According to the ACL Emirates only hold 2 daily slots. Hold 28 weekly slots which is 14 weekly.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:21 pm

EINA320 wrote:
EIEIDW wrote:
ACL Slot Report 2020 includes some very interesting stuff:

New Routes:

WestJet Toronto
Juneyao Shanghai (Via Helsinki)
EgyptAir Cairo
LOT Warsaw
EL AL Tel Aviv
BA Faro & Reus

Increase:

Air Canada Vancouver
Air France Paris
Sun Express Izmir
Laura Vienna
Lufthansa Frankfurt
Transavia Paris Orly
Vueling Barcelona
TUI Palma
Icelandair Reykjavik
Finnair Helsinki
BA London City

Decrease:

Etihad Abu Dhabi
Flybe Doncaster

Cancelled Routes

TUI Malaga, Faro, Paphos and Salzburg
Hainan Shenzhen
Arkia Tel Aviv!
Air Arabia Maroc Agadir
Great Dane Aalborg

Credit: Plane mad 134 (Pprune Forum)

Very interesting stuff,
Hainan still hold slots for Beijing!


Interesting proposed EI expansion too. New services to Alghero, Bournemouth, Heraklion, Ibiza, Krakow, Menorca And Poznan mentioned. Presumably HER, IBZ, AHO and MAH will be charters?

Apart from Mahon and Heraklion, EI served and dropped all these routes before so unlikely to be actual routes and Brindisi not listed.
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:25 pm

User001 wrote:
According to the ACL Emirates only hold 2 daily slots. Hold 28 weekly slots which is 14 weekly.


So they do, read wrong line.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:26 pm

But they have requested 14 more it says.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:28 pm

EINA320 wrote:
EIEIDW wrote:
ACL Slot Report 2020 includes some very interesting stuff:

New Routes:

WestJet Toronto
Juneyao Shanghai (Via Helsinki)
EgyptAir Cairo
LOT Warsaw
EL AL Tel Aviv
BA Faro & Reus

Increase:

Air Canada Vancouver
Air France Paris
Sun Express Izmir
Laura Vienna
Lufthansa Frankfurt
Transavia Paris Orly
Vueling Barcelona
TUI Palma
Icelandair Reykjavik
Finnair Helsinki
BA London City

Decrease:

Etihad Abu Dhabi
Flybe Doncaster

Cancelled Routes

TUI Malaga, Faro, Paphos and Salzburg
Hainan Shenzhen
Arkia Tel Aviv!
Air Arabia Maroc Agadir
Great Dane Aalborg

Credit: Plane mad 134 (Pprune Forum)

Very interesting stuff,
Hainan still hold slots for Beijing!


Interesting proposed EI expansion too. New services to Alghero, Bournemouth, Heraklion, Ibiza, Krakow, Menorca And Poznan mentioned. Presumably HER, IBZ, AHO and MAH will be charters?


Possible slot sitters? The airline has already announced Summer 2020 with Brindisi and Alghero so I doubt we'll see much, if anything else added. Bournemouth, Krakow and Poznan are the give away, it's very unlikely they'll ever return to those destinations let alone start them next summer.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:28 pm

VanBosch wrote:
But they have requested 14 more it says.


From what I can see, S20 they have 28 slots which is 2 flights per day.
Emirates will not be announcing any increase unless DAA sort out infrastructure at Dublin Airport, as made clear by Enda Corneille
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:31 pm

On page 4 though, it says Historic summer 20 is 28 slots. If you move to the right it says S20 “new slot requests” and has 14?
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:32 pm

EIEIDW wrote:
VanBosch wrote:
But they have requested 14 more it says.


From what I can see, S20 they have 28 slots which is 2 flights per day.
Emirates will not be announcing any increase unless DAA sort out infrastructure at Dublin Airport, as made clear by Enda Corneille


Looks like they applied for 42 but only given 28 for now.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:37 pm

It does look like EK initially applied for 3 daily but then retracted the 3rd daily slots.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:41 pm

EIEIDW wrote:
ACL Slot Report 2020 includes some very interesting stuff:

New Routes:

WestJet Toronto
Juneyao Shanghai (Via Helsinki)
EgyptAir Cairo
LOT Warsaw
EL AL Tel Aviv
BA Faro & Reus

Increase:

Air Canada Vancouver
Air France Paris
Sun Express Izmir
Laura Vienna
Lufthansa Frankfurt
Transavia Paris Orly
Vueling Barcelona
TUI Palma
Icelandair Reykjavik
Finnair Helsinki
BA London City

Decrease:

Etihad Abu Dhabi
Flybe Doncaster

Cancelled Routes

TUI Malaga, Faro, Paphos and Salzburg
Hainan Shenzhen
Arkia Tel Aviv!
Air Arabia Maroc Agadir
Great Dane Aalborg

Credit: Plane mad 134 (Pprune Forum)

Very interesting stuff,
Hainan still hold slots for Beijing!


What's the deal with BA to Faro & Reus?
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:49 pm

wexfordflyer wrote:
EIEIDW wrote:
ACL Slot Report 2020 includes some very interesting stuff:

New Routes:

WestJet Toronto
Juneyao Shanghai (Via Helsinki)
EgyptAir Cairo
LOT Warsaw
EL AL Tel Aviv
BA Faro & Reus

Increase:

Air Canada Vancouver
Air France Paris
Sun Express Izmir
Laura Vienna
Lufthansa Frankfurt
Transavia Paris Orly
Vueling Barcelona
TUI Palma
Icelandair Reykjavik
Finnair Helsinki
BA London City

Decrease:

Etihad Abu Dhabi
Flybe Doncaster

Cancelled Routes

TUI Malaga, Faro, Paphos and Salzburg
Hainan Shenzhen
Arkia Tel Aviv!
Air Arabia Maroc Agadir
Great Dane Aalborg

Credit: Plane mad 134 (Pprune Forum)

Very interesting stuff,
Hainan still hold slots for Beijing!


What's the deal with BA to Faro & Reus?


BA Cityflyer, probably a weekend operation while London City is closed, quieter. I believe they did the same to Ibiza a year or two ago and also operated for Aer Lingus on additional Nice rotations.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:55 pm

Good to see the S19 transatlantic seasonal adds; Dallas, Calgary and Halifax coming back for S20 and Dallas a month earlier as well.

Looks like Dublin will get over the 33M in 2019.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:01 pm

Skyblue39 wrote:
Good to see the S19 transatlantic seasonal adds; Dallas, Calgary and Halifax coming back for S20 and Dallas a month earlier as well.

Looks like Dublin will get over the 33M in 2019.


I believe Calgary is being launched earlier this next year as well. They all seem to be performing well
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:04 am

Chinese airline Juneyao Air is to launch a new twice-weekly year-round route between Dublin and Shanghai.

Juneyao will start the new service to Shanghai Pudong Airport next March and will also have onward connections to 40 other Chinese destinations, six cities in Japan, and 10 other Asia-Pacific destinations.

The new route will operate on Sundays and Thursdays, on a state-of-the-art Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner aircraft with a short stop in Helsinki on each leg.

www.dublinairport.com
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:06 am

User001 wrote:
It's worth noting Juneyao appears on the 'significant changes' page, but in the actual slot section, it lists that they don't actually hold any slots at this time as it shows as blank (no slots held).

One to watch as it could depend on whether they have applied to the CAAC for the route authority, and I've not seen anything to suggest they have done that yet.


It’s been confirmed just now.
 
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Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:39 am

Dublin Airport opens sensory room for passengers with special needs
The room includes relaxing music, mood lighting, bean bags and digital display panels.

DUBLIN AIRPORT HAS opened a sensory room for passengers with autism, dementia, cognitive impairment or other special needs.

The new sensory room is located after security screening in Terminal 2, just before the 400 boarding gates. It can also be accessed via Terminal 1.

www.thejournal.ie/dublin-airport-sensor ... 019/?amp=1



Irish airline Cityjet to sack two-thirds of pilots in Finland
Cityjet currently employs 40 pilots at its Helsinki hub.

Irish airline Cityjet has announced plans to slash the number of pilots on its payroll in Finland, according to a statement by the Finnish Pilots’ Association, FPA.

https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/iris ... d/11088279



New Ryanair flight from Dublin to Warsaw

Ryanair has announced extra flights to Warsaw Modlin in Poland from Dublin.

The announcement comes as part of the flight company's expansion in Central and Eastern Europe.

From March 2020, there will be nine flights flying from Dublin to the Polish capital.

https://amp.breakingnews.ie/business/ne ... 66625.html
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:20 am

KLM have added a daily Cork-Amsterdam from 30 March.

http://www.corkairport.com/news/detail/ ... rk-airport

They are really going for EIs core routes.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:51 am

JAmie2k9 wrote:
KLM have added a daily Cork-Amsterdam from 30 March.

http://www.corkairport.com/news/detail/ ... rk-airport

They are really going for EIs core routes.

Brilliant news for ORK. EI have neglected ORK-AMS for too long.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:40 am

JAmie2k9 wrote:
KLM have added a daily Cork-Amsterdam from 30 March.

http://www.corkairport.com/news/detail/ ... rk-airport

They are really going for EIs core routes.


And it's probably a lot easier for KL to start with an E-jet than it is for EI with an A320. EI really need to re-examine its s/h routes and capacity as this is not likely to be the last time this happens.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:58 am

shamrock350 wrote:
wexfordflyer wrote:
EIEIDW wrote:
ACL Slot Report 2020 includes some very interesting stuff:

New Routes:

WestJet Toronto
Juneyao Shanghai (Via Helsinki)
EgyptAir Cairo
LOT Warsaw
EL AL Tel Aviv
BA Faro & Reus

Increase:

Air Canada Vancouver
Air France Paris
Sun Express Izmir
Laura Vienna
Lufthansa Frankfurt
Transavia Paris Orly
Vueling Barcelona
TUI Palma
Icelandair Reykjavik
Finnair Helsinki
BA London City

Decrease:

Etihad Abu Dhabi
Flybe Doncaster

Cancelled Routes

TUI Malaga, Faro, Paphos and Salzburg
Hainan Shenzhen
Arkia Tel Aviv!
Air Arabia Maroc Agadir
Great Dane Aalborg

Credit: Plane mad 134 (Pprune Forum)

Very interesting stuff,
Hainan still hold slots for Beijing!


What's the deal with BA to Faro & Reus?


BA Cityflyer, probably a weekend operation while London City is closed, quieter. I believe they did the same to Ibiza a year or two ago and also operated for Aer Lingus on additional Nice rotations.


Cool, thanks for that. I thought it seemed a bit odd.
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:23 pm

I tried out The East Lounge last Thursday evening. I paid 50 euro at the reception to enter.
As luck would have it, I was the only person in the lounge for the first 30 minutes.
The staff were incredible, as was the food.
I was in total disbelief that this was a DAA lounge!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/YxA7LhBmHR3cJHB9A
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:51 pm

JesseCasserly wrote:
I tried out The East Lounge last Thursday evening. I paid 50 euro at the reception to enter.
As luck would have it, I was the only person in the lounge for the first 30 minutes.
The staff were incredible, as was the food.
I was in total disbelief that this was a DAA lounge!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/YxA7LhBmHR3cJHB9A


Thank you for posting these photos! How long did you stay there?
Very nice to hear of your positive experience at the Lounge.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:15 pm

Skyblue39 wrote:
JesseCasserly wrote:
I tried out The East Lounge last Thursday evening. I paid 50 euro at the reception to enter.
As luck would have it, I was the only person in the lounge for the first 30 minutes.
The staff were incredible, as was the food.
I was in total disbelief that this was a DAA lounge!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/YxA7LhBmHR3cJHB9A


Thank you for posting these photos! How long did you stay there?
Very nice to hear of your positive experience at the Lounge.


It was about 2 hours. Apparently access is granted for 3 hours, though I'm not sure how/if they enforce that!
I ordered 2 items off the menu, plus 2 gin and tonics. And that still left me with enough time to sample some of the buffet. I'm genuinely surprised at how impressive the food quality was!
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:36 pm

JesseCasserly wrote:
I tried out The East Lounge last Thursday evening. I paid 50 euro at the reception to enter.
As luck would have it, I was the only person in the lounge for the first 30 minutes.
The staff were incredible, as was the food.
I was in total disbelief that this was a DAA lounge!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/YxA7LhBmHR3cJHB9A


Its a great lounge and well worth the premium if you are going to spend a few hours there.

QR have just announced a deal with DAA to allow more of their passengers into it. Id say with the exit of some of the original sign up customers its been easier to strike a deal. For OW Ruby its a great perk.

( email from QR )

''We are delighted to announce that select Qatar Airways customers will now have complimentary access to The East Lounge at Dublin.
All business class customers and Privilege Club members who are Silver Tier (oneworld Ruby Tier) and above will have access to Dublin Airport’s premium lounge prior to their flight.
All eligible passengers departing Dublin from today the 27th of November 2019 can access The East Lounge.''
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Wed Nov 27, 2019 4:48 pm

OA260 wrote:
JesseCasserly wrote:
I tried out The East Lounge last Thursday evening. I paid 50 euro at the reception to enter.
As luck would have it, I was the only person in the lounge for the first 30 minutes.
The staff were incredible, as was the food.
I was in total disbelief that this was a DAA lounge!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/YxA7LhBmHR3cJHB9A


Its a great lounge and well worth the premium if you are going to spend a few hours there.

QR have just announced a deal with DAA to allow more of their passengers into it. Id say with the exit of some of the original sign up customers its been easier to strike a deal. For OW Ruby its a great perk.

( email from QR )

''We are delighted to announce that select Qatar Airways customers will now have complimentary access to The East Lounge at Dublin.
All business class customers and Privilege Club members who are Silver Tier (oneworld Ruby Tier) and above will have access to Dublin Airport’s premium lounge prior to their flight.
All eligible passengers departing Dublin from today the 27th of November 2019 can access The East Lounge.''


Qatar are notoriously stingy with lounges, I'd imagine that's only for their Privilege Club members at Ruby Tier (which is harder to achieve than Ruby at other airlines), I doubt BA Bronze or AA Gold will allow you in to the East Lounge, and non-QR Sapphire/Emeralds will only allow you to access the DAA Executive Lounge as it was previously.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:00 pm

If UA are adding another flight, my money is on SFO.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:05 pm

DalRiada wrote:
If UA are adding another flight, my money is on SFO.


I thought Denver would be the obvious route
 
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Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:14 am

Ryanair now expects just 10 Max jets in time for summer schedule

Ryanair has told pilots that it's unlikely to have more than 10 Boeing Max aircraft in service for summer - half the amount that it thought a few weeks ago that it might have.

The airline has also told pilots that the fresh delays could lead to the closure of one or two bases, and that it has frozen pilot rank upgrades.

Ryanair's director of operations, Neal McMahon, told the pilots that there is an issue with an over-wing exit on the Max 8-200 model of the jet that the airline has ordered.

https://amp.independent.ie/business/iri ... 33105.html

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Ryanair action against former executive put back for lack of judge
Airline looking to stop former chief operating officer Peter Bellew joining rival Easyjet

Ryanair’s lawsuit to prevent chief operating officer, Peter Bellew, from joining rival Easyjet next year is due back in court later this week after failing to begin on Tuesday.

Mr Bellew plans to join Easyjet as chief operating officer in January, but Ryanair is taking High Court action to prevent the move, saying the executive’s contract has a clause barring him from joining any competitor for a year after leaving the Irish carrier.

www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-a ... 0?mode=amp
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Thu Nov 28, 2019 9:52 am

Why is Juneyao stopping in HEL to DUB, of all places? IMO, the stop renders the service sort of pointless and uncompetitive. I see they are launching KEF too - wouldn't a PVG - DUB - KEF flight have worked better?

It continues to amaze me that DUB can't sustain Asian flights, despite growing trade ties and convenient connections through Asia to the diaspora in Australasia. What gives? I think CA, CZ or SQ would work the best.

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:11 am

The bulk of Juneayo's traffic will be between PVG and HEL which is their gateway to Europe. KEF and DUB, even linked with eachother can't sustain a dedicated flight to PVG with point to point traffic only. From what I have seen with HU and CX, most Irish people seem to look for cheap flights to OZ which Juneayo are probably not interested in as a dilutes yields enormously. Anyway, considering the lack of market awareness of Juneayo, the low frequencies and the routing, I'm very pessimistic and doubt it will survive after subsidies have dried up.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:11 am

planemanofnz wrote:
Why is Juneyao stopping in HEL to DUB, of all places? IMO, the stop renders the service sort of pointless and uncompetitive. I see they are launching KEF too - wouldn't a PVG - DUB - KEF flight have worked better?

It continues to amaze me that DUB can't sustain Asian flights, despite growing trade ties and convenient connections through Asia to the diaspora in Australasia. What gives? I think CA, CZ or SQ would work the best.

Cheers,

C.


Juneyao codeshares with AY so are feeding into their network at HEL. DUB requires a backtrack for all of Europe and the UK, and would be a detour to KEF.
HEL is also pretty much directly on the route from PVG to DUB, so the stop is logical. Agreed that it's going to take CA or CZ to get a direct to China. I think SQ will also happen one day.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:01 am

EK770 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
Why is Juneyao stopping in HEL to DUB, of all places? IMO, the stop renders the service sort of pointless and uncompetitive. I see they are launching KEF too - wouldn't a PVG - DUB - KEF flight have worked better?

It continues to amaze me that DUB can't sustain Asian flights, despite growing trade ties and convenient connections through Asia to the diaspora in Australasia. What gives? I think CA, CZ or SQ would work the best.

Cheers,

C.


Juneyao codeshares with AY so are feeding into their network at HEL. DUB requires a backtrack for all of Europe and the UK, and would be a detour to KEF.
HEL is also pretty much directly on the route from PVG to DUB, so the stop is logical. Agreed that it's going to take CA or CZ to get a direct to China. I think SQ will also happen one day.

I don't get the backtrack argument - that's like saying AKL is a backtrack to Australia - are people not visiting DUB/Ireland, as they visit AKL/New Zealand?

O&D China/Asia/Australasia - Ireland should be enough to sustain a flight?

In terms of feeding AY at HEL, AY themselves fly HEL - DUB, so why does Juneyao need to bother using its own metal on HEL - DUB? Will AY drop DUB?

Cheers,

C.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:29 am

EK770 wrote:
planemanofnz wrote:
Why is Juneyao stopping in HEL to DUB, of all places? IMO, the stop renders the service sort of pointless and uncompetitive. I see they are launching KEF too - wouldn't a PVG - DUB - KEF flight have worked better?

It continues to amaze me that DUB can't sustain Asian flights, despite growing trade ties and convenient connections through Asia to the diaspora in Australasia. What gives? I think CA, CZ or SQ would work the best.

Cheers,

C.


Juneyao codeshares with AY so are feeding into their network at HEL. DUB requires a backtrack for all of Europe and the UK, and would be a detour to KEF.
HEL is also pretty much directly on the route from PVG to DUB, so the stop is logical. Agreed that it's going to take CA or CZ to get a direct to China. I think SQ will also happen one day.


EK770 is bang on why HEL is a great transit airport considering the great circle route. As for why Asian carriers struggle with DUB there are a variety of reasons.
- Geography: Ireland is the end of the line for direct flight to Asia therefore the flight is solely relying on O&D demand. There isn't a strong premium need for O&D as the majority of Irish originating traffic is leisure.
- Competition: ME3 et al take a big chunk of the demand and as most of it is price sensitive a direct service isn't going to extract the premium
- Political: The Irish visa system is not very sympathetic to mainland Chinese visitors. Most apply for a Schengen visa allowing for access to the rest of the EU, and while the British-Irish visa scheme with the UK helps, its an added expense and Dublin/Ireland is just not on the list of destinations to visit after London & Edinburgh for CN tourists. Those who do visit tag Ireland on to a wider UK/European tour and are not going to drive demand for direct flights.
- Demographics: Ireland has a small population and doesn't have the historical or cultural links to Asia that can help drive demand.
- Economics: While CN-IE trade is growing as is Asian IE trade, Ireland has always been a western focussed market (business, cultural, etc.) with only one local Irish carrier capable of operating to Asia they have decided that there is more money flying to N. America.

All that said I think the number of Asian visitors to Ireland is increasing year-on-year and the amount of trade is increasing so its only a matter of when not if. The recent start-stops are not indicative of the potential of the market, it's just not the right time at the moment.

For comparison, in 2018:
- 149m Chinese people travelled internationally (majority within Asia)
- 390k of those visited the UK
- 100k visited Ireland.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:38 am

planemanofnz wrote:
I don't get the backtrack argument - that's like saying AKL is a backtrack to Australia - are people not visiting DUB/Ireland, as they visit AKL/New Zealand?

O&D China/Asia/Australasia - Ireland should be enough to sustain a flight?

In terms of feeding AY at HEL, AY themselves fly HEL - DUB, so why does Juneyao need to bother using its own metal on HEL - DUB? Will AY drop DUB?

Cheers,

C.

GCMapper is a great tool to visualise these find of flights. There is no further connection opportunities out of DUB for a flight, equally there is not enough demand out of Dublin to fill a wide body even with connections across Asia out of PVG (see competition above) Therefore a tag from HEL to DUB makes the most sense.

As for why Juneyao is operating its own metal on the tag is probably to benefit from China's 'one route one airline' policy. Which means that they can lock the market down early via the tag and increase service (and maybe add direct flights) as the market grows.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:36 pm

I notice United flew a 787-9 into DUB today and the flight was hours late. Assume it was a sub for the 787-10 In Newark.

Hope they do launch a new route next year with the 4th DUB slot they have been given.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:31 pm

EI321 wrote:
I notice United flew a 787-9 into DUB today and the flight was hours late. Assume it was a sub for the 787-10 In Newark.

Hope they do launch a new route next year with the 4th DUB slot they have been given.


Strange they did that, apparently the flight was oversold and some pax couldn’t fly
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:41 am

EIEIDW wrote:
EI321 wrote:
I notice United flew a 787-9 into DUB today and the flight was hours late. Assume it was a sub for the 787-10 In Newark.

Hope they do launch a new route next year with the 4th DUB slot they have been given.


Strange they did that, apparently the flight was oversold and some pax couldn’t fly


Well oversold isn't exactly right, it was sold correctly for the expected 787-10 but obviously the -9 doesn't have the same seat count, 40 pax were offloaded.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:50 am

planemanofnz wrote:
Why is Juneyao stopping in HEL to DUB, of all places? IMO, the stop renders the service sort of pointless and uncompetitive. I see they are launching KEF too - wouldn't a PVG - DUB - KEF flight have worked better?

It continues to amaze me that DUB can't sustain Asian flights, despite growing trade ties and convenient connections through Asia to the diaspora in Australasia. What gives? I think CA, CZ or SQ would work the best.

Cheers,

C.


Juneyao started their HEL service last summer already, it was their first destination in Europe. There are several reasons for that: Codeshares with Finnair, HEL is built to serve Asian destinations, with 20+ routes to Asia, 8 cities served in China/HK. There are also other Asian airlines serving HEL, Japan Airlines,Sichuan Airlines and Tibet Airlines. Finland has become popular among the Chinese tourists, 454K visitors in 2018.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:37 am

alancostello wrote:
EIEIDW wrote:
EI321 wrote:
I notice United flew a 787-9 into DUB today and the flight was hours late. Assume it was a sub for the 787-10 In Newark.

Hope they do launch a new route next year with the 4th DUB slot they have been given.


Strange they did that, apparently the flight was oversold and some pax couldn’t fly


Well oversold isn't exactly right, it was sold correctly for the expected 787-10 but obviously the -9 doesn't have the same seat count, 40 pax were offloaded.


Thats correct .
 
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Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:41 am

Dublin Airport passenger offended by 'abomination' spotted on Aer Lingus in-flight map

A Dublin Airport passenger was offended to see the location 'Londonderry' on the Aer Lingus in-flight map on a recent trip.

The flier was heading from the capital to Chicago when they spotted what they described as an "abomination" on the screen in front of them.

www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/dubl ... 333434.amp



Hopes That Rail Link Between Shannon Airport And Limerick Would Boost Passenger Numbers

It’s claimed putting a direct rail link between Shannon Airport and Limerick City in place would see passenger numbers at the airport soar.

The National Transport Authority has confirmed a public consultation on a metro link will begin in the first three months of next year.

www.clare.fm/news/shannon-airport/hopes ... r-numbers/
 
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Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:08 am

OA260 wrote:

Hopes That Rail Link Between Shannon Airport And Limerick Would Boost Passenger Numbers

It’s claimed putting a direct rail link between Shannon Airport and Limerick City in place would see passenger numbers at the airport soar.

The National Transport Authority has confirmed a public consultation on a metro link will begin in the first three months of next year.

http://www.clare.fm/news/shannon-airpor ... r-numbers/


While it would be nice to have at least one airport in the country connected to the rail network could we perhaps start with Dublin?
SNN's issue isnt accessibility it has a 60min catchment of 600k+ and a 90min catchment of 1m population. The issue is lack of regular service, so maybe the NTA spending millions building a single track spur line that will have a handful of trains running a day (and probably wont be scheduled to support the arrival departure of flights) isn't be best use of transport funds.
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:58 am

VFRonTop wrote:
OA260 wrote:

Hopes That Rail Link Between Shannon Airport And Limerick Would Boost Passenger Numbers

It’s claimed putting a direct rail link between Shannon Airport and Limerick City in place would see passenger numbers at the airport soar.

The National Transport Authority has confirmed a public consultation on a metro link will begin in the first three months of next year.

http://www.clare.fm/news/shannon-airpor ... r-numbers/


While it would be nice to have at least one airport in the country connected to the rail network could we perhaps start with Dublin?
SNN's issue isnt accessibility it has a 60min catchment of 600k+ and a 90min catchment of 1m population. The issue is lack of regular service, so maybe the NTA spending millions building a single track spur line that will have a handful of trains running a day (and probably wont be scheduled to support the arrival departure of flights) isn't be best use of transport funds.


Ahem.....Kerry Airport! ;)
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:13 pm

Shannon needs quality bus connections , rail link proposal is a dreadful waste of money
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:07 am

Etihad 787-10 appears to be coming to DUB tomorrow.

Subject to change
 
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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:47 am

Incident with a bus at DUB looks like front left axel collapsed and bus was full of passengers .


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Re: Irish 11/19: One more to go and then one more ...

Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:55 am

OA260 wrote:
Hopes That Rail Link Between Shannon Airport And Limerick Would Boost Passenger Numbers

It’s claimed putting a direct rail link between Shannon Airport and Limerick City in place would see passenger numbers at the airport soar.

The National Transport Authority has confirmed a public consultation on a metro link will begin in the first three months of next year.

http://www.clare.fm/news/shannon-airpor ... r-numbers/


Election a coming! Promises to make, if not to keep.
Perhaps someone could tell us where the passengers would come from?
Those in Limerick using the existing and certainly more frequent, buses to SNN switching to rail.
 
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Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:32 am

All happening today currently an incident with TK at DUB. Lots of fire engines and incident support unit .


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Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:45 pm

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