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factsonly wrote:Seismic strategic shock, equal to DL buying LATAM.
OneWorld hits out at SkyTeam, after SkyTeam hit out at OneWorld.
SCQ83 wrote:Speechless!
On the other hand it makes sense. Madrid doesn’t need two carriers serving the same markets.
smi0006 wrote:SCQ83 wrote:Speechless!
On the other hand it makes sense. Madrid doesn’t need two carriers serving the same markets.
Surely it does from a consumer perspective? Does this add much value to IB, except removing competition?
RyanairGuru wrote:Madrid is not a capacity constrained market, unlike LHR, FRA, AMS etc. Anyone can set up an operation there quite easily, so it is hard to see what real competition concerns there are. I expect that much like BA acquiring BD and LH acquiring the majority of AB's assets, this will be approved.
RyanairGuru wrote:Madrid is not a capacity constrained market, unlike LHR, FRA, AMS etc. Anyone can set up an operation there quite easily, so it is hard to see what real competition concerns there are. I expect that much like BA acquiring BD and LH acquiring the majority of AB's assets, this will be approved.
SCQ83 wrote:Speechless!
On the other hand it makes sense. Madrid doesn’t need two carriers serving the same markets.
Aisak wrote:RyanairGuru wrote:Madrid is not a capacity constrained market, unlike LHR, FRA, AMS etc. Anyone can set up an operation there quite easily, so it is hard to see what real competition concerns there are. I expect that much like BA acquiring BD and LH acquiring the majority of AB's assets, this will be approved.
What is true for MAD is untrue for “the other end”.
Think of AMS, EZE, JFK (slot controlled), LGW.... they might be forced to offer the equivalent of UX slots to competition....
factsonly wrote:Seismic strategic shock, equal to DL buying LATAM.
seahawk wrote:Hmm, if that goes ahead one will hardly be able to stop LH from getting Condor. IAG would gain total dominance in Spain.
FromCDGtoSYD wrote:And another EU hub becomes a monopoly... what happened to the proposed JV with AF/KLM
IAG Press Release wrote:
In addition, the Acquisition is expected to generate significant revenue synergies by 2025, including:
* Adding reciprocal intra-group codeshares across all connecting gateways;
* Adjusting timings to maximise connectivity through the Madrid hub;
* Aligning commercial policies and integrating sales forces in home markets;
* Integrating Air Europa into existing IAG joint businesses; and
* Integrating Air Europa into the Avios currency for loyalty.
vhtje wrote:seahawk wrote:Hmm, if that goes ahead one will hardly be able to stop LH from getting Condor. IAG would gain total dominance in Spain.
Hardly. Ever heard of EasyJet and Ryanair?
aviationaware wrote:Strongly opposed to this. I hope the European Commission does its job and does not allow this to proceed. The Europe - Latin America market would be far too concentrated.
albertocsc wrote:This also makes me think a bit about some questions, like:
- Will their domestic plans for Brazil still go on?
- Would Air Europa Express be included in the sale? (Technically is a complete different company but works in almost complete integration with UX).
- Do you think Iberia would take over thinner South America routes such as IGR, COR or ASU or just drop them?
onwFan wrote:
As for competition, now both LA and Plus Ultra are competitors.
seahawk wrote:vhtje wrote:seahawk wrote:Hmm, if that goes ahead one will hardly be able to stop LH from getting Condor. IAG would gain total dominance in Spain.
Hardly. Ever heard of EasyJet and Ryanair?
Since when do they fly long haul?
SCQ83 wrote:UX is quite irrelevant for the domestic / Euro market with plenty of competition (easyJet, Ryanair, Euro legacies)
Some LatAm markets might now have less competition, but Latin American carriers are also becoming more competitive.
JKPhotos wrote:onwFan wrote:
As for competition, now both LA and Plus Ultra are competitors.
LATAM certainly is. But Plus Ultra? You gotta be kidding. They offer 2 weekly flights from Madrid to South America. This is no serious competitor to IB and UX that have I don't know maybe 25 daily flights.
scbriml wrote:factsonly wrote:Seismic strategic shock, equal to DL buying LATAM.
Except DL didn't buy LATAM in the way that IAG is buying Air Europa.
onwFan wrote:Also, perhaps with its lower costs and different fleet, Air Europa could be a good platform for IAG to fold their low cost long/short haul/Level into.
VanBosch wrote:The IAG press release says the brand will be kept independent initially. I think there are too many brands so wonder would this merge with Level?
SXDFC wrote:Does this mean Iberia will operate the 737 and 787?
Waterbomber2 wrote:Competition authorities will approve this, don't worry.
Personally, if I were IAG and had a billion to waste, I wouldn't have wasted it on Air Europa but Thomas Cook.
Having an in-house sales network across Europe would have made far more sense and would have made BA and its partners so much stronger.
What do they get with Air Europa? Less competition for sure, but someone will happily fill the gap. There still is a vast amount of competition, from Tap to Latam.
It's a waste of a billion IMHO.
LupineChemist wrote:I've long said the 787 makes a lot of sense at IB especially for longer thin routes where they're using the 332 right now.