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Air North's Winter '19 "milk run"

Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:00 pm

4N has began October 31st, a once weekly scheduled service routing Whitehorse – Watson Lake – Prince George – Kelowna – Nanaimo – Vancouver and return.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ce-in-w19/

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Dominion301
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Re: Air North's Winter '19 "milk run"

Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:18 pm

Wow that’s fascinating. When was the last time Watson Lake had any scheduled air service?
 
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Re: Air North's Winter '19 "milk run"

Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:58 pm

$499CAD plus tax seems a bit expensive but it may worth it!

There is no scheduled flight in Watson Lake... well now there is this new flight...

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Re: Air North's Winter '19 "milk run"

Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:21 pm

Wow! That is exciting. I always wanted to visit Whitehorse, and this multi-stop flight would be an amazing way to get there!
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Re: Air North's Winter '19 "milk run"

Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:38 pm

And the flight leaving Vancouver back north leaves from the south terminal, so it is much easier and quicker to check in, and proceed through security.
 
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Re: Air North's Winter '19 "milk run"

Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:14 pm

Why would 4N schedule service into Nanaimo? at first brush it seems pretty darn close to YVR.

Like what would a ticket from YCD to YVR even cost that makes it economical to include in this routing?
 
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Re: Air North's Winter '19 "milk run"

Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:41 pm

Whats the connection with Air North and Nanaimo? are they trying to gain revenue with the YCD-YLW sector?
 
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Re: Air North's Winter '19 "milk run"

Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:26 am

The article that the originator of this thread posted notes that Air North opens public booking to the route, which originally served as a private charter. My guess is that the flight is mostly for a resource company (ie they are guaranteeing a certain amount of revenue per flight). The interesting routing is likely driven by logistics and/or where many of the said resource company's personnel have basing options. Would be an interesting way to get from YVR to Whitehorse.
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Re: Air North's Winter '19 "milk run"

Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:30 am

WS7M8 wrote:
yeginleduc wrote:
Whats the connection with Air North and Nanaimo? are they trying to gain revenue with the YCD-YLW sector?


The article that the originator of this thread posted notes that Air North opens public booking to the route, which originally served as a private charter. My guess is that the flight is mostly for a resource company (ie they are guaranteeing a certain amount of revenue per flight). The interesting routing is likely driven by logistics and/or where many of the said resource company's personnel have basing options. Would be an interesting way to get from YVR to Whitehorse.


Hopefully they keep the public offering for the flight into the summer. I would love to try it when the sun is up for most of the day.
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Re: Air North's Winter '19 "milk run"

Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:33 am

yeginleduc wrote:
Whats the connection with Air North and Nanaimo? are they trying to gain revenue with the YCD-YLW sector?


I'd be quite curious to know how Air North does on segments like that within this flight. There are so many possibilities within this six leg flight. There is a decent-sized market for flights from YYJ to YLW, and perhaps some of that traffic is leaked from YCD. But one time a week and at marginal times won't do much to drum up business. I'd rather do YCD YVR YLW. Still, every extra dollar counts. My guess is that the resource-related traffic that was driving this previous private charter flight is drying up and this might be a last gasp to keep it going. Will be an interesting crowd....I'm guessing 85% of the passengers will be from BC to Watson Lake or vice versa, with perhaps a limited amount of spillover doing Vancouver to Whitehorse, as Air North has a decent presence in this market.
 
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Re: Air North's Winter '19 "milk run"

Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:42 am

Any chance Air North will use the Hawker 748 on this route?
 
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Re: Air North's Winter '19 "milk run"

Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:26 am

FlyingViking wrote:
Any chance Air North will use the Hawker 748 on this route?


737-500, I believe
 
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Re: Air North's Winter '19 "milk run"

Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:53 am

AY104 wrote:
Wow! That is exciting. I always wanted to visit Whitehorse, and this multi-stop flight would be an amazing way to get there!


It’s definitely a place worth visiting. I would love to go back there someday.

WS7M8 wrote:
yeginleduc wrote:
Whats the connection with Air North and Nanaimo? are they trying to gain revenue with the YCD-YLW sector?


I'd be quite curious to know how Air North does on segments like that within this flight. There are so many possibilities within this six leg flight. There is a decent-sized market for flights from YYJ to YLW, and perhaps some of that traffic is leaked from YCD. But one time a week and at marginal times won't do much to drum up business. I'd rather do YCD YVR YLW. Still, every extra dollar counts. My guess is that the resource-related traffic that was driving this previous private charter flight is drying up and this might be a last gasp to keep it going. Will be an interesting crowd....I'm guessing 85% of the passengers will be from BC to Watson Lake or vice versa, with perhaps a limited amount of spillover doing Vancouver to Whitehorse, as Air North has a decent presence in this market.


It could also be that the company chartering the flight never needs more than say 100 seats a week and have green lighted 4N to sell the remainder as a scheduled flight to help keep the charter fees down.

I guess this weekly will use YVR South as the flight won’t be security cleared thanks to the Watson Lake stop.
 
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Re: Air North's Winter '19 "milk run"

Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:26 am

The responses are exactly correct, this started as a charter flight for personnel to the resource sector in the Watson Lake area. Basically the employees are from Vancouver, Nanaimo, and Prince George. Any extra seats, and freight space is offered to the general public. I definitely want to take this milk run one day. One thing to note though, these flights are dry, as in no alcohol as the employees are basically on the clock once on the aircraft, so it is against the mining companies policy to consume alcohol, so none is offered on these flights.
 
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Re: Air North's Winter '19 "milk run"

Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:49 am

gregn21 wrote:
FlyingViking wrote:
Any chance Air North will use the Hawker 748 on this route?


737-500, I believe


Would you happen to know whether the old Avros are still used regularly for pax services??.. :o
 
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Re: Air North's Winter '19 "milk run"

Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:48 pm

oldannyboy wrote:
gregn21 wrote:
FlyingViking wrote:
Any chance Air North will use the Hawker 748 on this route?


737-500, I believe


Would you happen to know whether the old Avros are still used regularly for pax services??.. :o


4N still have 2 Hawkers in their fleet as per their website's fleet page: https://www.flyairnorth.com/Experience/our-fleet.aspx. I would imagine the 748s are occasional subs nowadays on the ATR routes. If you really want to fly one, I'd imagine organizing a group sightseeing charter would be your best bet.

Unfortunately though it appears that they retired their sole 732C. :(
 
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Re: Air North's Winter '19 "milk run"

Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:24 am

I would go on a Hawker charter anytime if it ever were to be arranged. I'm in for 2 seats.

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