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B767 built and then scrapped before flight

Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:26 pm

Hi, does anyone know the story of this one?
B767-2EZC 33840/923 was to be part of the USAF KC-45 program but was scrapped?

Any photos exist?
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Re: B767 built and then scrapped before flight

Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:43 pm

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Re: B767 built and then scrapped before flight

Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:44 pm

It was the prototype for the 767 tanker for the early 2000s lease deal that was cancelled. Because of all the changes made to it in anticipation for being a tanker that were of course never certified Boeing couldn’t sell it to anyone or fly it for company use, and it was determined the cost to modify it to a production standard aircraft would be too expensive. So it was eventually scrapped.
 
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Re: B767 built and then scrapped before flight

Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:26 pm

Polot wrote:
It was the prototype for the 767 tanker for the early 2000s lease deal that was cancelled. Because of all the changes made to it in anticipation for being a tanker that were of course never certified Boeing couldn’t sell it to anyone or fly it for company use, and it was determined the cost to modify it to a production standard aircraft would be too expensive. So it was eventually scrapped.

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Re: B767 built and then scrapped before flight

Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:48 pm

If I remember right it sat by the Flying Heritage Museum. I got a couple of pictures of it back in 2009, but I haven't been able to post a picture in this site in a long time.
 
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Re: B767 built and then scrapped before flight

Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:16 am

There was another B767 did not fly (LN 718), where is LN 718 in?
 
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Re: B767 built and then scrapped before flight

Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:26 pm

12345 wrote:
There was another B767 did not fly (LN 718), where is LN 718 in?

LN 718 never flew because it was never built.
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Re: B767 built and then scrapped before flight

Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:59 pm

UA947 wrote:
12345 wrote:
There was another B767 did not fly (LN 718), where is LN 718 in?

LN 718 never flew because it was never built.

And now, the rest of the story!

Viscount724 wrote:
There's no 767 line number 718. Reason is explained in a 1999 thread in Reply 4 of this 2010 thread.
767 LN 718 - Why Not Built? (by FlyCaledonian Feb 19 2010 in Civil Aviation)

That 1999 reply quoted here to simplify:

The mystery surrounding this number has been cleared up. The order for this aircraft, a -300 for Asiana, was cancelled after construction was started and for the first time Boeing stopped building the plane rather than complete a white tail and hope for a sale. The line number will not be reused so subtract one from the highest 767 line number to get the total built

So 767 line number 1000 was actually the 999th.

Ref: viewtopic.php?t=574175&start=250#p8637767
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Re: B767 built and then scrapped before flight

Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:13 am

Revelation wrote:
UA947 wrote:
12345 wrote:
There was another B767 did not fly (LN 718), where is LN 718 in?

LN 718 never flew because it was never built.

And now, the rest of the story!

Viscount724 wrote:
There's no 767 line number 718. Reason is explained in a 1999 thread in Reply 4 of this 2010 thread.
767 LN 718 - Why Not Built? (by FlyCaledonian Feb 19 2010 in Civil Aviation)

That 1999 reply quoted here to simplify:

The mystery surrounding this number has been cleared up. The order for this aircraft, a -300 for Asiana, was cancelled after construction was started and for the first time Boeing stopped building the plane rather than complete a white tail and hope for a sale. The line number will not be reused so subtract one from the highest 767 line number to get the total built

So 767 line number 1000 was actually the 999th.

Ref: viewtopic.php?t=574175&start=250#p8637767


What did they do with LN 718 after stop building? Did they scrap it?
 
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Re: B767 built and then scrapped before flight

Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:11 pm

Thanks to the OP for starting this thread. I'd heard of the "767 Tanker Lease" deal that was scuttled, however I never knew it got far enough to justify an actual air frame. What a waste.
 
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Re: B767 built and then scrapped before flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:43 pm

the KC-767 and the KC-46 only resemble each other. They have no real lineage as they are completely different animals from the windshields to the tail. They resemble each other and that's about it!
 
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Re: B767 built and then scrapped before flight

Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:26 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
the KC-767 and the KC-46 only resemble each other. They have no real lineage as they are completely different animals from the windshields to the tail. They resemble each other and that's about it!


Not sure I’d go as far as saying “no real lineage” as they are both fundamentally derivatives of the 767 program, and if we’re talking about the tanker specifically, KC-767/KC-X/KC-46 was one long, winding, legal and political saga.

But technically, yes I agree. I like this quote, which also found its way into the Wiki article:

“The KC-46 combines the 767-200ER’s fuselage, with the 767-300F’s wing, gear, cargo door and floor, with the 767-400ER digital flightdeck and flaps.”

https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/1700138531
 
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Re: B767 built and then scrapped before flight

Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:49 pm

2eng2efficient wrote:

“The KC-46 combines the 767-200ER’s fuselage, with the 767-300F’s wing, gear, cargo door and floor, with the 767-400ER digital flightdeck and flaps.”

https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/1700138531


Hence the name "Frankentanker." I remember seeing derogatory cartoons showing the "Frankentanker" put out by Northrop/Airbus supporters around 2009/2010 time frame when they were competing with Boeing for the contract.

Here's an example:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy ... ofCdCIf5yg

Searching again for that image just now, I came across this unofficial patch:
https://flightlineinsignia.com/wp-conte ... 8-1089.jpg

So perhaps my memory is cloudy and Frankentanker wasn't just a derogatory name, but has since become a term of endearment?
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Re: B767 built and then scrapped before flight

Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:54 pm

sjones1975 wrote:
2eng2efficient wrote:

“The KC-46 combines the 767-200ER’s fuselage, with the 767-300F’s wing, gear, cargo door and floor, with the 767-400ER digital flightdeck and flaps.”

https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/1700138531


Hence the name "Frankentanker." I remember seeing derogatory cartoons showing the "Frankentanker" put out by Northrop/Airbus supporters around 2009/2010 time frame when they were competing with Boeing for the contract.

Here's an example:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy ... ofCdCIf5yg

Searching again for that image just now, I came across this unofficial patch:
https://flightlineinsignia.com/wp-conte ... 8-1089.jpg

So perhaps my memory is cloudy and Frankentanker wasn't just a derogatory name, but has since become a term of endearment?


Yes I vaguely remember the “Frankentanker”. Pretty funny, reminds me of what Boeing alleged of Airbus when they announced the A350mk1.

I’d have to defer to one of the tanker guys on the forum about the insignia, but I think it’s hilarious, and it certainly doesn’t surprise me if they adopted it as a term of endearment! Similar to the A-10 Thunderbolt II, which is endearingly called the “Warthog” due to the grunting sound the gun makes.
 
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Re: B767 built and then scrapped before flight

Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:25 pm

2eng2efficient wrote:
sjones1975 wrote:
2eng2efficient wrote:

“The KC-46 combines the 767-200ER’s fuselage, with the 767-300F’s wing, gear, cargo door and floor, with the 767-400ER digital flightdeck and flaps.”

https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/1700138531


Hence the name "Frankentanker." I remember seeing derogatory cartoons showing the "Frankentanker" put out by Northrop/Airbus supporters around 2009/2010 time frame when they were competing with Boeing for the contract.

Here's an example:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy ... ofCdCIf5yg

Searching again for that image just now, I came across this unofficial patch:
https://flightlineinsignia.com/wp-conte ... 8-1089.jpg

So perhaps my memory is cloudy and Frankentanker wasn't just a derogatory name, but has since become a term of endearment?


Yes I vaguely remember the “Frankentanker”. Pretty funny, reminds me of what Boeing alleged of Airbus when they announced the A350mk1.

I’d have to defer to one of the tanker guys on the forum about the insignia, but I think it’s hilarious, and it certainly doesn’t surprise me if they adopted it as a term of endearment! Similar to the A-10 Thunderbolt II, which is endearingly called the “Warthog” due to the grunting sound the gun makes.


Well, that and it being ugly as sin too.

The Frankentanker name is a bit disingenuous. Mating different sub-model wings is no new thing, the 737-800 based BBJ uses the -900's wings and gear. There was no -200 based commercial factory delivered freighter so of course they're gonna use -300 parts for the door and floor. Sound like if they didn't go that way and had to start from scratch it'd be even later and more expensive than it is now.
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Re: B767 built and then scrapped before flight

Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:36 pm

IIRC wasn't the last 744 Pax version similarly stored for ever before being scrapped - i think it may of done initial test flights but was NTU and never resold
 
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Re: B767 built and then scrapped before flight

Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:42 pm

scouseflyer wrote:
IIRC wasn't the last 744 Pax version similarly stored for ever before being scrapped - i think it may of done initial test flights but was NTU and never resold


No. B-18215 was rolled out 20 March 2005 and delivered to China Airlines 26 Apr 2005 and went into service.
 
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Re: B767 built and then scrapped before flight

Thu Aug 27, 2020 11:29 pm

RobK wrote:
scouseflyer wrote:
IIRC wasn't the last 744 Pax version similarly stored for ever before being scrapped - i think it may of done initial test flights but was NTU and never resold


No. B-18215 was rolled out 20 March 2005 and delivered to China Airlines 26 Apr 2005 and went into service.

I think he is thinking of the last 744F (final 744 period) whose original intended operator LoadAir never started up and which sat stored for a few years (mostly due to global recession killing cargo demand) before entering service with Kalitta.

Or maybe he is thinking of that 747F that had a pressurization incident pre delivery that damaged the plane and spooked the intended Asian owner. That one was also repaired and eventually delivered though.
 
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Re: B767 built and then scrapped before flight

Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:55 am

Here is line 923 after it was broken up at Paine Field

http://www.paineairport.com/images/20120817.jpg
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