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Updated: Lufthansa cabin crew strike November 7th, 2019 1300 flights cancelled

Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:44 pm

Aside from Luftansa, for which there is a strike notice, are there any other airlines where union and management are in a contentious relationships and strikes are in the immediate horizon for the next 4 months. Is it British Airways as well? What about KLM and separately, Air France? What are the probabilities that a strike could impact the following 4 airlines over the next 4 months:

1. KLM
2. Air France
3. British Airways

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-luft ... WT1K5?il=0
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Re: Lufthansa cabin crew union calls for Sunday strike in Frankfurt, Munich

Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:09 pm

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Re: Lufthansa cabin crew union calls for Sunday strike in Frankfurt, Munich

Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:09 pm

We will see how much impact this will have. It is only a warning strike for a few hours and many crew members could fear sanctions from LH, as LH has already called the strike an illegal activity after refusing to accept UFO as a legal union, and therefore not participate in the strike. For a large general strike a strike ballot would have been necessary anyway.
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Re: Lufthansa cabin crew union calls for Sunday strike in Frankfurt, Munich

Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:41 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Aside from Luftansa, for which there is a strike notice, are there any other airlines where union and management are in a contentious relationships and strikes are in the immediate horizon for the next 4 months. Is it British Airways as well? What about KLM and separately, Air France? What are the probabilities that a strike could impact the following 4 airlines over the next 4 months:

1. KLM
2. Air France
3. British Airways

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-luft ... WT1K5?il=0


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Re: Lufthansa cabin crew union calls for Sunday strike in Frankfurt, Munich

Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:46 pm

Anybody know what flights will be cancelled? A friend of mine is flying NBO-FRA on the 20th...
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Re: Lufthansa cabin crew union calls for Sunday strike in Frankfurt, Munich

Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:59 pm

LH expects normal ops. No plans yet to cancel any flights.
 
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Re: Lufthansa cabin crew union calls for Sunday strike in Frankfurt, Munich

Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:03 pm

gregpodpl wrote:
You can also add Alitalia to this list...


this is by default right :stirthepot: :D
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Re: Lufthansa cabin crew union calls for Sunday strike in Frankfurt, Munich

Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:35 am

dcajet wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
Aside from Luftansa, for which there is a strike notice, are there any other airlines where union and management are in a contentious relationships and strikes are in the immediate horizon for the next 4 months. Is it British Airways as well? What about KLM and separately, Air France? What are the probabilities that a strike could impact the following 4 airlines over the next 4 months:

1. KLM
2. Air France
3. British Airways

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-luft ... WT1K5?il=0


Aerolineas Argentinas (A month that goes by without some sort of industrial action is the exception).


Hang on, while nothing has been signed yet, there have been advancements in wage negotiations. Last week's rumours where actually real numbers, just in need of some more fine tunning. However, non-wage related strilkes cannot be ruled out.
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Re: Lufthansa cabin crew union calls for Sunday strike in Frankfurt, Munich

Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:59 am

AtomicGarden wrote:
dcajet wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
Aside from Luftansa, for which there is a strike notice, are there any other airlines where union and management are in a contentious relationships and strikes are in the immediate horizon for the next 4 months. Is it British Airways as well? What about KLM and separately, Air France? What are the probabilities that a strike could impact the following 4 airlines over the next 4 months:

1. KLM
2. Air France
3. British Airways

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-luft ... WT1K5?il=0


Aerolineas Argentinas (A month that goes by without some sort of industrial action is the exception).


Hang on, while nothing has been signed yet, there have been advancements in wage negotiations. Last week's rumours where actually real numbers, just in need of some more fine tunning. However, non-wage related strilkes cannot be ruled out.


That was my point. Whether it's because of wages or some other reason, hardly a month goes by without some protests at AR that disrupt the airline's ops.
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Re: Lufthansa cabin crew union calls for Sunday strike in Frankfurt, Munich

Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:58 am

Here at Hawaiian Air, strike ballots are being mailed out soon by the AFA. Our contract negotiations have been going on for over 2 1/2 years. Pay at HAL lags behind DL and WN by almost $15 an hour at the top of the scale
 
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Re: Lufthansa cabin crew union calls for Sunday strike in Frankfurt, Munich

Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:37 am

I had heard rumblings about Virgin Atlantic pilots striking over the christmas period.. Although at the moment no strike ballot has been called.
 
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Re: Lufthansa cabin crew union calls for Sunday strike in Frankfurt, Munich

Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:54 am

Seems that AirFrance is always on strike, they call it "service as usual."
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Re: Lufthansa cabin crew union calls for Sunday strike in Frankfurt, Munich

Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:14 am

AIRT0M wrote:
LH expects normal ops. No plans yet to cancel any flights.


Seems like LH is looking to stretch the rope as much as they can and put pressure on the UFO.

I don't see LH cancelling any fligths until sunday morning, the struggle will go down to the wire....


conaly wrote:
We will see how much impact this will have. It is only a warning strike for a few hours and many crew members could fear sanctions from LH, as LH has already called the strike an illegal activity after refusing to accept UFO as a legal union, and therefore not participate in the strike. For a large general strike a strike ballot would have been necessary anyway.


A friend of mine at LH told me that they may look for the strike to be called illegal by a judge.
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Re: Lufthansa cabin crew union calls for Sunday strike in Frankfurt, Munich

Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:26 pm

Lufthansa cabin crew union announces two-days of strikes

https://www.dw.com/en/lufthansa-cabin-c ... a-51106532
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Re: Lufthansa cabin crew union calls for Sunday strike in Frankfurt, Munich

Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:38 pm

1,300 flights scheduled for Thursday and Friday are canceled.

https://www.dw.com/en/1300-flights-canc ... a-51131875
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Re: Lufthansa cabin crew union calls for Sunday strike in Frankfurt, Munich

Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:54 pm

pualani wrote:
Here at Hawaiian Air, strike ballots are being mailed out soon by the AFA. Our contract negotiations have been going on for over 2 1/2 years. Pay at HAL lags behind DL and WN by almost $15 an hour at the top of the scale


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Re: Lufthansa cabin crew union calls for Sunday strike in Frankfurt, Munich

Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:32 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
Seems that AirFrance is always on strike, they call it "service as usual."


Things are changing at AirFrance and the last strikes were early in the summer of 2018. LH and BA have been much more prone to strikes in the last year. AF signed contracts with all its pilot unions sin Ben Smith came in as CEO. Will there be strikes in France in France in the future - of course. Airport workers, air traffic control, etc. AirFrance has apparently entered into a period of relative labor stability...
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Lufthansa cabin crew strike 1300 flights canelled.

Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:09 am

7th November a 48hr strike by crew has begun. Lufthansa has cancelled 700 flights on Thursday and 600 on Friday, amounting to about one-fifth of its planned flights over the 48-hour period.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50329889

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Re: Lufthansa cabin crew union calls for Sunday strike in Frankfurt, Munich

Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:38 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
pualani wrote:
Here at Hawaiian Air, strike ballots are being mailed out soon by the AFA. Our contract negotiations have been going on for over 2 1/2 years. Pay at HAL lags behind DL and WN by almost $15 an hour at the top of the scale


We all stand with you, HA!!


And, if the Alaska pilots are an example, HA won't achieve DL/WN pay rates if it goes to arbitration. There are the top-tier pay rates across the industry at DL/AA/UA/FedEx, and there's a lower tier.
 
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Re: Updated: Lufthansa cabin crew strike November 7th, 2019 1300 flights cancelled

Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:41 pm

Poor passengers, so many lives disrupted over this
 
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Re: Lufthansa cabin crew union calls for Sunday strike in Frankfurt, Munich

Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:10 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
pualani wrote:
Here at Hawaiian Air, strike ballots are being mailed out soon by the AFA. Our contract negotiations have been going on for over 2 1/2 years. Pay at HAL lags behind DL and WN by almost $15 an hour at the top of the scale


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Re: Updated: Lufthansa cabin crew strike November 7th, 2019 1300 flights cancelled

Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:22 pm

Aren't unions just great for consumers and corporations? :roll:
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Re: Updated: Lufthansa cabin crew strike November 7th, 2019 1300 flights cancelled

Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:32 pm

"Things are changing at AirFrance and the last strikes were early in the summer of 2018. LH and BA have been much more prone to strikes in the last year. AF signed contracts with all its pilot unions sin Ben Smith came in as CEO. Will there be strikes in France in France in the future - of course. Airport workers, air traffic control, etc. AirFrance has apparently entered into a period of relative labor stability..."

In an interview in Le Figaro, Ben Smith surprised all when he said that all categories have signed his plan for the next 5 years with no real complain. So as you say AF may have entered a new era!
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Re: Updated: Lufthansa cabin crew strike November 7th, 2019 1300 flights cancelled

Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:40 am

Strike over. Approx 1,500 flights cancelled affecting 200,000 passengers.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/08/business ... index.html

Schedules resuming Saturday, but expecting some lingering cancellations/delays.
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Re: Updated: Lufthansa cabin crew strike November 7th, 2019 1300 flights cancelled

Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:22 am

DL747400 wrote:
Aren't unions just great for consumers and corporations? :roll:


Not necessarily but they´re good for workers. When you have conflicting interests there is going to be some quarrel every now and then.
 
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Re: Lufthansa cabin crew union calls for Sunday strike in Frankfurt, Munich

Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:22 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
pualani wrote:
Here at Hawaiian Air, strike ballots are being mailed out soon by the AFA. Our contract negotiations have been going on for over 2 1/2 years. Pay at HAL lags behind DL and WN by almost $15 an hour at the top of the scale


We all stand with you, HA!!


And, if the Alaska pilots are an example, HA won't achieve DL/WN pay rates if it goes to arbitration. There are the top-tier pay rates across the industry at DL/AA/UA/FedEx, and there's a lower tier.


Agreed, not sure comparing pay scales with the 2nd and 7th largest airlines in the world by revenue is going to help their case. As great as an airline as HA is, its not comparable to the US4 in any meaningful quantitative metric.

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