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Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:01 pm

Withdrawn Virgin Atlantic A340-600 G-VWEB, which has been under decomissioning at London Gatwick since 22nd October, positioned London Gatwick – Lourdes Tarbes for storage this morning as VS834P.

Only 13yrs :confused:
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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:42 pm

The age of quad jets is coming to an end for many airlines, with the newest generation twins doing the same job more efficiently. It simply was time for VS to start retiring their A340 fleet as they became more expensive to operate in comparison.

Of course there are still some important roles for aircraft like the 747 and A380 to fill for airlines, but admittedly the A340’s job can be better performed by the 777/787 and the A359/K, save for a few niche routes

I would love to try and fly on one while I still can, I do think they’re very neat
 
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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:42 pm

It’s probably up for its second D-Check and with carrriers’ general aversion of 4-engined birds nowadays VS must have decided that it’s not worth investing in heavy maintenance on it.
 
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Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:46 pm

flybaby wrote:
It’s probably up for its second D-Check and with carrriers’ general aversion of 4-engined birds nowadays VS must have decided that it’s not worth investing in heavy maintenance on it.


All were scheduled to be retired by this month, but this has been pushed back to the year end, with all gone from the fleet by the 1st day of 2020, as the airline readies it's 747 for retirement too
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Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:49 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
Withdrawn Virgin Atlantic A340-600 G-VWEB, which has been under decomissioning at London Gatwick since 22nd October, positioned London Gatwick – Lourdes Tarbes for storage this morning as VS834P.

Only 13yrs :confused:


There's now 4 frames left, of which only 2 are seemingly operating full schedules. They've been doing the odd NFL charter as of late before they are all due to be retired by the end of the year. The first 747 retirement will follow shortly afterwards as well before the 330neo's come in to replace the 330ceo's - all change at VS fleet-wise
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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:04 am

4 engines 4 scrap yards...

This really ought to be a lesson to the people arguing 'xxx can fly in xx's fleet for another 30 years!' Operating economics kills a lot of aircraft in passenger service before hours and cycles do.
 
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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:51 am

A lot of aircraft are retired prior to 13th birthday.

What's the news?

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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:10 am

What is the "correct" age for an A340 prior to it being scrapped?
 
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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:58 am

A340s have really hit scrap value, especially with the A359/A35K, B77W and B789/B78X being way more efficient. The A345/A346 was a mistake if you ask me, given that it was in development after Boeing had already announced the B77W. It was promised to be able to do LHR-PER (requiring a tech stop westbound), a route that the B789 now does in reality (on a premium-heavy frame). The A343 made sense for when it was developed, as it entered service 2 years before the B772 did, selling over 200 frames. A346s have no real value as high-density frames since their exit door capacity is 475, while you have Cebu Pacific desiring 460 on an A339 (which has the fuselage length of the A333/A343), while the A343 theoretically could become one.

Also, consider that there is no A340 freighter conversion owing to the lack of feedstock (the only A340 variant which saw more than 100 built was the A343, but many carriers, especially LH and IB, have flown them to end of usable life), whereas a B77W freighter conversion will ensure longer lifespans of those frames. When A340s hit their next heavy check date, expect them to be ferried to the breakers.
 
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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:17 am

The A340 has a long interval, 12 years on corrosion to HMV I would bet that with storage (stop clocking) this is retired to avoid heavy maintenance.

I must agree that quads are going to the breakers at the next heavy maintenance. There is a surplus of widebodies.

Purchase price is a small amount of opperating costs. There are too many efficient twins out there, including the longest range A333s that compete.

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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:38 am

The re-engined A340s remind me of the Lockheed L-1649 Starliner and DC-7C. Good airplanes, but a tweaking of a platform that was already on its way out. In today's industry, the technology curve is moving so much slower than it once did. This A340 got 13 years of operation, whereas the -7C and the 1649 got about 18-months of primary route service, about another 18 months of secondary service, and were then either sold or converted to freighters. As others said above, a quad the size of the 346 was already obsolete when it launched, as were those tweaked piston aircraft when the 707 was a year away on their intro. But those heavy pistons and the 346 are nevertheless beautiful, interesting aircraft.
 
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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:54 am

Unfortunately the A346 was obsolete when it was initially introduced. Way too heavy and inefficient. Beautiful bird though.
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:56 am

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The A345/A346 was a mistake if you ask me, given that it was in development after Boeing had already announced the B77W.


The A340-500/600 predates the 777-300ER by a couple of years. December 1997 launch vs February 2000. Initial design studies for the A340 upgrades started before the first 777 had even flown.
 
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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:04 am

The accountants at the airlines or leasing companies have it all figured out. They played with depreciation, tax write offs, costs to continue in service (especially fuel), costs of maintenance checks and have made the determination to retire or scrap the 340 series and buy/lease 2 engine aircraft. I like the 340, but its economics just don't work out today.
 
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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:16 am

VSMUT wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
The A345/A346 was a mistake if you ask me, given that it was in development after Boeing had already announced the B77W.


The A340-500/600 predates the 777-300ER by a couple of years. December 1997 launch vs February 2000. Initial design studies for the A340 upgrades started before the first 777 had even flown.


plus Airbus screwed up the A345/6 and Boeing over-delivered on the 77W, both things either one probably didn´t plan to happen.

With hindsight Airbus would probably have started pushing the A330 to its limit back then instead, but they didn´t have the luxury we have: knowing how stuff pans out.

That being said, sad to see them go, but in an environment where the 77W starts to look less attractive, an A340-600 doesn´t make much sense, written of or not.

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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:04 am

Not surprising as the A346 is simply too fuel inefficient and therefore expensive to operate in view of twins. Even the A380s have been decommissioned by its 10th year and now Emirates are even pakring them before they are even 10 years old. And there are no secondary market for used A380s except for one to Hifly.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:22 am

There should be a market for those A346s with ad-hoc operators like Hifly and so on. But due to the reliability problems of the newer jets, they made so much money that they can afford new jets as well. But in the end the whole widebody market is seeing way too many frames on the market and the situation will only get worse in the coming years.
 
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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:47 am

Trying not to stray off topic too much, has Virgin announced which aircraft will replace its 747s at LGW? I know the A330 is doing some LGW Caribbean work but I'm wondering about all that summer capacity to the likes of Orlando.
 
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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:08 am

Such a shame. I was on FR24 yesterday, ready to track some pals on the VS033 to ANtigua when I saw the 346 departing to Lourdes. Thought was odd as it headed west and performed some maneuvers off the north Cornwall coast - going up to 41K and back down to around 12.5K for a couple of hours. Testing pressurisation maybe? Then off she went to France. So sad, but glad I caught it.
 
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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:43 am

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Trying not to stray off topic too much, has Virgin announced which aircraft will replace its 747s at LGW? I know the A330 is doing some LGW Caribbean work but I'm wondering about all that summer capacity to the likes of Orlando.


A350's.

The first seven A350's already delivered/to be delivered are LHR-based to replace the remaining A340's and replace some of the capacity lost when LHR lost its 747 allocation. The remaining five A350's will be in a higher-density config to replace the 747's operating out of LGW and MAN.

I know people keep claiming that VS will/should make MAN an all-A330 base, but this recent press release quoted here confirms they will be operating out of MAN as well as LGW, which fits in with what was announced at the time of order and logically replaces the 747's capacity...

https://simpleflying.com/virgin-a350-florida-caribbean/

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A lot of aircraft are retired prior to 13th birthday.

What's the news?

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It's newsworthy in the sense that comparable widebody twinjets of a similar/older vintage are still flying, as well as other quadjets such as the 747-400 still in service that are over 25 years old including with their original airlines such as BA.
 
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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:58 am

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readytotaxi wrote:
Withdrawn Virgin Atlantic A340-600 G-VWEB, which has been under decomissioning at London Gatwick since 22nd October, positioned London Gatwick – Lourdes Tarbes for storage this morning as VS834P.

Only 13yrs :confused:


There's now 4 frames left, of which only 2 are seemingly operating full schedules. They've been doing the odd NFL charter as of late before they are all due to be retired by the end of the year. The first 747 retirement will follow shortly afterwards as well before the 330neo's come in to replace the 330ceo's - all change at VS fleet-wise


Depending on the scale of their plans for MAN, I wouldn’t be surprised if VS kept the A333s in the fleet for longer than planned as a relatively low risk means of testing expansion before committing to (say) some or all of the 6 A339 options (or a top up of A35K / B789).

I doubt they will commit to this for commercial at PR reasons, but I sense that will be the likely position.
 
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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:51 am

The A346 is going to be operating for VS through summer 2020 now.
It’s not quite dead yet!
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:12 pm

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The A346 is going to be operating for VS through summer 2020 now.
It’s not quite dead yet!


Do you have a source for this? The last flight I can see penciled in is the 29th of December
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:26 pm

If the A346 cannot be generate a profit when utilized within the existing VS network, then it is time for it to go regardless of the age. Gone are the days when airlines will indefinitely hang onto unprofitable fleet types for purely vanity reasons.

VS are well on their way to becoming a much more fuel efficient operation built around twin engine models. It's all about reducing your operating and maintenance costs.
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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:31 pm

seahawk wrote:
There should be a market for those A346s with ad-hoc operators like Hifly and so on. But due to the reliability problems of the newer jets, they made so much money that they can afford new jets as well. But in the end the whole widebody market is seeing way too many frames on the market and the situation will only get worse in the coming years.


The frame decommissioned before this one, G-VYOU, ended up at European Aviation Group as 2-EALJ they have now 9 of them.
 
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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:49 pm

Be thankful it stuck around for that long. a lot of a346 haven't stuck around for that long. As others have said, operating economics often kill an aircraft before the hours and cycles do.
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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:54 pm

DL747400 wrote:
If the A346 cannot be generate a profit when utilized within the existing VS network, then it is time for it to go regardless of the age. Gone are the days when airlines will indefinitely hang onto unprofitable fleet types for purely vanity reasons.

VS are well on their way to becoming a much more fuel efficient operation built around twin engine models. It's all about reducing your operating and maintenance costs.


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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:56 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
seahawk wrote:
There should be a market for those A346s with ad-hoc operators like Hifly and so on. But due to the reliability problems of the newer jets, they made so much money that they can afford new jets as well. But in the end the whole widebody market is seeing way too many frames on the market and the situation will only get worse in the coming years.


The frame decommissioned before this one, G-VYOU, ended up at European Aviation Group as 2-EALJ they have now 9 of them.


European Aviation Group is buying A340-500/600 mainly for resale as VIP use. They have already sold one. Some may be used as parts plane feed stock. I found this on the internet. :old:
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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:24 pm

Shame. VS A346's are so elegant. Their A350s are pretty too, but 4 holers are special these days.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:25 pm

AMS18C36C wrote:
DL747400 wrote:
If the A346 cannot be generate a profit when utilized within the existing VS network, then it is time for it to go regardless of the age. Gone are the days when airlines will indefinitely hang onto unprofitable fleet types for purely vanity reasons.

VS are well on their way to becoming a much more fuel efficient operation built around twin engine models. It's all about reducing your operating and maintenance costs.


2 engines 2 save?


Exactly! 4 engines = 2 engines 2 many
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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:39 pm

It seems Mahan Air isn’t interested in purchasing it.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:36 pm

ElroyJetson wrote:
Unfortunately the A346 was obsolete when it was initially introduced. Way too heavy and inefficient. Beautiful bird though.


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Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:43 pm

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The A346 is going to be operating for VS through summer 2020 now.
It’s not quite dead yet!

2019/2020 are base years for CORSIA formula. There are financial advantages for airlines to strategically retire less fuel efficient aircraft, once their base year is measured and confirmed, to maximise year on year benefits, but not over achieve, as this makes future goals more challenging.

If VS go too hard on A346 and 747 retirements, they are setting themselves up for some challenges achieving future targets, and with public perception too, as IATA will publish and rank airline performance, and the intention in some countries is to do the same by airports.
 
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Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:54 pm

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It seems Mahan Air isn’t interested in purchasing it.

Not that they don't want to, but the sanctions have gotten a lot tougher now compared to a decade ago, unfortunately. These A346 would ultimately meet their maker soon. A bit off topic, wondering if those EK A345 now sitting at Jo'burg are intended for Iran?? They have been sitting around for some time as well.
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The A340 has a long interval, 12 years on corrosion to HMV I would bet that with storage (stop clocking) this is retired to avoid heavy maintenance.

I must agree that quads are going to the breakers at the next heavy maintenance. There is a surplus of widebodies.

Purchase price is a small amount of opperating costs. There are too many efficient twins out there, including the longest range A333s that compete.

Lightsaber

But what about beating the ol a.net drum that every airframe must be operated to its LOV or else...

Glad Rolls screwed the pooch on the 787 engines though, else these A346s would have been parked even sooner.
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:58 am

Agree that quad burns more than a twin, but..... I'm somewhat surprised that on this *supposedly* av-geeks-filled forum all we get are comments that seemingly come from renowned and eminent economists.... Or have we all become that?
I mean, c'mon guys, has anyone ever flown on the A346???? I mean, IT'S SOOOOO MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE THAN A 777!!!!!!
As an enthusiast, I don give a f#@$ about it's economics, If I could I'd get an A346 ANY DAY over a 777!
 
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Agree that quad burns more than a twin, but..... I'm somewhat surprised that on this *supposedly* av-geeks-filled forum all we get are comments that seemingly come from renowned and eminent economists.... Or have we all become that?
I mean, c'mon guys, has anyone ever flown on the A346???? I mean, IT'S SOOOOO MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE THAN A 777!!!!!!
As an enthusiast, I don give a f#@$ about it's economics, If I could I'd get an A346 ANY DAY over a 777!


You are so right there, much more comfortable and way quieter than a 777. But the economics will always win in the end. As many people have said what airline cares about passenger comfort?
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:56 pm

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Kato79 wrote:
The A346 is going to be operating for VS through summer 2020 now.
It’s not quite dead yet!


Do you have a source for this? The last flight I can see penciled in is the 29th of December


Internal memo asking for volunteer crews to stay rated on it rather than take A350 courses as it’s ‘likely’ to operate through summer.
 
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:22 pm

I'm a big fan of VS and SRB, but I'll always equate the 346 with their shameful "4 engines 4 long haul" fear-mongering campaign. It was incredibly short-sighted and detrimental to commercial aviation as a whole.
 
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:43 pm

Yes Oldannyboy, you're right ! We don't care about the economics. What we want is nice birds to fly. The 346 was the loveliest bird to fly (and to see flying) since the DC-7, the Superstarliner and the DC-8-63/73. And like you I'd fly a 346 (or a 345) any time better than any 77W or 780 or even 359.
I know I need to hurry now to fly one again before they totally disappear from the skies and I wonder which ones are left now: LH ? IB ? For how long ?
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I'm a big fan of VS and SRB, but I'll always equate the 346 with their shameful "4 engines 4 long haul" fear-mongering campaign. It was incredibly short-sighted and detrimental to commercial aviation as a whole.


Except that it was an Airbus slogan, not VS or SRB.
 
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:24 pm

Kato79 wrote:
JamesCousins wrote:
Kato79 wrote:
The A346 is going to be operating for VS through summer 2020 now.
It’s not quite dead yet!


Do you have a source for this? The last flight I can see penciled in is the 29th of December


Internal memo asking for volunteer crews to stay rated on it rather than take A350 courses as it’s ‘likely’ to operate through summer.

I don''t understand how this works so if someone can explain pls.
Does not the airline control which staff members go on which courses, why need volunteers?
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readytotaxi wrote:
Kato79 wrote:
JamesCousins wrote:

Do you have a source for this? The last flight I can see penciled in is the 29th of December


Internal memo asking for volunteer crews to stay rated on it rather than take A350 courses as it’s ‘likely’ to operate through summer.

I don''t understand how this works so if someone can explain pls.
Does not the airline control which staff members go on which courses, why need volunteers?


They are essentially asking for volunteers who'd be willing to delay getting trained on the A359 whilst the A346 is still in the fleet...
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admittedly the A340’s job can be better performed by the 777/787 and the A359/K, save for a few niche routes


On which routes would the A340 be better?
 
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:41 pm

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I'm a big fan of VS and SRB, but I'll always equate the 346 with their shameful "4 engines 4 long haul" fear-mongering campaign. It was incredibly short-sighted and detrimental to commercial aviation as a whole.


You do understand that for some years now it is Delta (which owns 49% of Virgin) that's running the show and not Richard Branson.
 
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Kato79 wrote:
JamesCousins wrote:
Kato79 wrote:
The A346 is going to be operating for VS through summer 2020 now.
It’s not quite dead yet!


Do you have a source for this? The last flight I can see penciled in is the 29th of December


Internal memo asking for volunteer crews to stay rated on it rather than take A350 courses as it’s ‘likely’ to operate through summer.


Oh wow that's pretty interesting - I hope the 340s don't stay on scheduled operation through the Summer, the on board product is not great
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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:07 pm

I've seen worse. HS-TLD is an A345 that was stored after just 6 or so years of service.
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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:14 pm

jetwet1 wrote:
hinckley wrote:
I'm a big fan of VS and SRB, but I'll always equate the 346 with their shameful "4 engines 4 long haul" fear-mongering campaign. It was incredibly short-sighted and detrimental to commercial aviation as a whole.


Except that it was an Airbus slogan, not VS or SRB.


Yet VS was still painting it on their airplanes for a time.....
 
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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:49 pm

Love the Four Engine Aircraft, sad to see this happen. Rode on Olympic Airways A343s in 2000 from JFK to ATH and now those planes are history.
 
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Re: Only 13yrs service now decomissioned VS A346

Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:55 am

Once I was in MRO and there was ATR 72, it was about 15 years old aircraft. I spoke with engineer and he told me, “we made mistake, we should decommissioned it”. I asked him why? He told me, when they have asset the aircraft and they didn’t realize amount of corrosion that aircraft had. They already did part of the maintenance so owner agreed to finish the aircraft and pay bigger bill. So in theory and practice age of the aircraft should not be only parameter that will represent condition of the aircraft. Aviation industry is changing rapidly, new airlines, huge orders and sometimes unnecessary big and inefficient airplane for fragmented markets will only mean that we will see more and more young airplanes being decommissioned earlier than we expect. But huge amount of parts will still fly, also I remember being in oxygen maintenance unit, and they showed us oxygen tank that is from 50’s and still use, passed all necessary checks and still flying!

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