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Chinese aviation safety: among the best?

Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:35 am

While Chinese local governments have thrown billions of dollars behind provincial airlines, and thereby ensured that not a single Chinese airline has ceased operations in the past decade (unlike, for example, Jet Airways, Avianca Brasil and Co.), what impresses me more about Chinese aviation is that the government seems to be running an extremely tight ship in the safety department. China has not had a single crash, fatal or otherwise, since Henan Airlines flight 8387 in 2010. It was also the first country to ban the 737 MAX following the ET302 tragedy, so much so that the New York Times (or some other publication) said that the FAA has a lot to learn from the CAAC, given that the FAA was the last to ban the aircraft. The People’s Republic has certainly come a long way from the numerous crashes involving China Northern/Northwest/Southern/Southwest Airlines in the early 1990s that made many people avoid the airlines formed from dissolving the CAAC.

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Re: Chinese aviation safety: among the best?

Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:07 am

If CAAC are the best in certifying airplanes and civic aviation...Why aren't non-Chinese airliners queuing up to buy ARJ21 and C919 certified by CAAC while the 737MAX is grounded? Surely the ARJ21 and C919 should be much safer than the 737MAX.
 
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Re: Chinese aviation safety: among the best?

Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:13 am

scootaway wrote:
If CAAC are the best in certifying airplanes and civic aviation...Why aren't non-Chinese airliners queuing up to buy ARJ21 and C919 certified by CAAC while the 737MAX is grounded? Surely the ARJ21 and C919 should be much safer than the 737MAX.


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Re: Chinese aviation safety: among the best?

Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:18 am

Propaganda much?
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Re: Chinese aviation safety: among the best?

Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:40 am

scootaway wrote:
If CAAC are the best in certifying airplanes and civic aviation...Why aren't non-Chinese airliners queuing up to buy ARJ21 and C919 certified by CAAC while the 737MAX is grounded? Surely the ARJ21 and C919 should be much safer than the 737MAX.


I think this thread is more on the regulations for airline operations and airlines' maintenance standards in China. So it would seem your statement has very little to do with this thread. On top of that, there is no evidence showing that modern Chinese Jets are any less safe than their western competitors.

Economics, availability, politics all contribute to the commercial success of an aircraft. The commercial viability of Chinese made aircraft is an entirely different topic on its own.
 
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Re: Chinese aviation safety: among the best?

Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:57 am

Long way from the best, how many aircraft fires have there been in China this year ?

When did Xiaman Air come off the runway in MNL ? When did that aircraft come off the runway in HKG ? When did that aircraft take out the approach lights then return back to point of departure with a light in the tailplane without the crew reporting the incident ?

The airspace is unworkable, ATC controlling is appalling, even being the only aircraft in the TMA for somewhere like PVG they will add pointless track miles. Arbitrary track offsets everywhere. Constantly requiring aircraft to descend to lower levels “due to next ATC” when next sector is more than happy to accept the aircraft at the normal levels.

Unannounced route closures whilst enroute requiring large reroutes.

At the end of the day these things result is large increases in fuel burn, which is a finite resource for aircraft once airborne and reduces safety margins.

CAAC certified crews seem to be by far the worst aircrew when it comes to non compliance with ATC instructions outside a China. That with their repeated stepping on other radio transmissions, unable to understand and read back clearances is a danger.

Also seem to have the inability to use a weather radar effectively, many times I have heard them asking for over 100 nm weather deviations to avoid islands. If they used the tilt they would see that it was not weather, it is terrain. These deviations make it impossible for other aircraft often to get climbs and descents as they have blocked a level out 100 nm from track, which can even be across a number of airways.
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Re: Chinese aviation safety: among the best?

Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:52 pm

On the first part of your reply the same can be said for many other countries. Just look up aviation incidents sites.

For the second part, I’m no expert but does what you describe have to do with China’s airspace being still extensively used by the military?
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Re: Chinese aviation safety: among the best?

Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:31 pm

No it is not the same as many other countries, and it’s the government that controls all of this.
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Re: Chinese aviation safety: among the best?

Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:21 pm

In June of 2015 a Delta, ex Northwest Airlines N664US, was flying east bound from DTW to ICN and while transiting China was about to encounter some sever weather. The pilot asked for clearance to fly around the weather and was denied the deviation. The 747 was heavily damaged by hail. The pilot was able to fly the 747 to ICN and land safely. The aircraft was declared damaged beyond economical repair. It was repaired with leading edge devices, a radome and other parts from an ex Singapore Airlines 747-400 that Delta had bought for parts. About a month later the 747 was ferried from ICN to MZJ for permanent storage. It was replaced by another 747 that Delta previously put into storage. :old:
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Re: Chinese aviation safety: among the best?

Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:53 pm

Read the book “Flying Upside Down”.

The author exaggerates, but still a funny read.

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